Using a white card for dodging/burning makes it easier since you can see the projected image on the card and thus locate the areas that requires attention.

I printed with a ton of Ilford Fiber Glassy paper in college and really loved it. My impression was always that the fiber paper had a bit better blacks and was worth the effort for photos that I really cared about. Now talking about the long term effects of not properly fixing, it might not be something that you see in a year, or maybe in two years. But I know that looking at the 80-year-old photos on the wall in different parts of the University, one could see some prints that weren't holding up as well as others. So my guess is that if you don't fix it or wash it for the required times that you are really limiting the life of the print before it starts to degrade.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

That's what I'm thinking. Long term. My great grandkids be like "idiot, didn't wash it properly!"

Once you go fiber, it's hard to back to RC.. at least in my situation :)

One thing I learned from 30 years of creative and commercial photography….always follow the direction of the “Yellow Father” in other words the Kodak data sheet or Ilford in this case. An unwashed fiber print, even RC will start to stain and even smell ugly. If stacked with clean prints it will contaminate them. The washing aids save water and time.

Great vid. Very well filmed and informative. I have used Ilford Multigrade FB paper.For archival i also used Selenium Toner but used Iford Archive process. Hypam 1+4 30 seconds fix....Washaid then wash. To flatten them....when dry i used to put them in various pages of a book or books and then put a concrete block on it for a few days....that flattened them !!!! Andrew a Press Photographer....35 yrs

If you have trouble figuring out the emulsion side of fiber paper, it's especially tough with matte, lightly wet the tip of your finger and the very edge of the emulsion side will feel sticky. Edit: Also bubbles in the stop usually means the stop is mixed too strong.

Brilliant work as usual ! Love the washing system !!!

Awesome video. Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. Subscribed!

Once again a great demonstration! I like your teaching lessons very much. Thx for sharing.

Thankyou Roger for a very interesting video and well done on trying fibre paper.👍

Great video Roger lovely print on RC or fibre paper

art 300 is a beautiful paper to work with

Precious video, good lesson and many tips. Yo've got my subscription ! Regards from Poland !

Cracking video again Roger.....and a great solution to drying as proper fb print dryers are hard to come by!

Super-useful. Thanks again.

Thanks for the ironing trick!

Amazing

I finally have a reason to buy an iron! Thanks, the dry mounting press is expensive for just flattening prints

Crackin results m8 :-)

I recommend pre-soaking the paper in distilled water before you start the dev process, cuts washing down and makes the paper lay much more flat. Fiber paper gives your images what most describe as "depth" and I would concur, however fiber paper is better suited for collection, archival and seriouse prints. Casual darkroom hijinks are best served by RC paper, keep up the good work!!

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it is for special moments. Like bringing out your best dinner plates for guests. So you mean expose the paper to the neg on the enlarger, then soak before you put in the develop tray?

@metrik2148

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, the idea is to let the fibers absorb clean water first. The long wash times are to rinse all the chemicals from the paper not the emulsion, I picked up the technique from an old timer I met at a camera shop. My process is as follows: expose, pre-soak, dev, stop, fix, rinse 1 min, hypo clear 2 min, final wash 10 min, dry. It's a real bitch to print fiber properly but it has its perks. Thanks!

Good on you building your own washer set-up - Getting ready to jump back into darkroom work and build my darkroom again. Will also be making my own washer as the commercial ones are insane on their cost for what they are made of.

Your first testprint is just stunning. i really like your photography. thank you for your content EDIT: Your final print is even more stunning. sick!

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Welcome to Roger! You made an interesting video again. I'd rather use "FORTE FB" paper a enlarge. I have a chrome flat drying machine. The stand used for ironing is also a good solution. Best regards Tamás

Thank you for the clear video! A realy good idea about the FB paper, no body did explain as you did,,, bringing the feel and look of the paper.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

One thing I do is hang prints back to back with clips on all four corners. They dry less curly that way although still need flattening.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

I shall remember that next time Anthony 😊

That ironing trick is great. Those drying presses are so expensive.

You deserve a KZread professor title. Great video demonstration. You are upbeat and your experiments and all around production is motivating. Thank you

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael. Not sure Prof. Roger will sound too good though lol

I love the ART 300 paper! If you dry fiber prints face down on fiberglass window screen, they don’t curl as much as if you hang them. I usually don’t flatten my prints too much, and keep them in a box and the curl isn’t bad. I built myself a drying rack that can do 14 8x10 prints for about $10.

Always enjoy your vids Roger. I dry my FB in a water colour sketch book, after a stint of being stuck to my tiled wall to dry. I can tell when it's ready to go in to the book as it starts to curl off the tiles. Apart from the feeling of holding the FB in your hand I don't think there is enough advantage over RC, especially when mounted. But it's certainly fun to have alternatives. PS I love the idea of drying with an iron, but I am afraid my wife would throw a basket of clothes at me while I'm at it....

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

I nearly got the t shits and jeans too Matt! Thanks for the input.

Also if you’re wondering which side of fiber paper has the emulsion, it’s easy, the side that curls UP is the emulsion side

Roger, the extra screen showing the area that you were dodging or burning was very helpful. As regards washing times, you can get a product from Fotospeed called "residual hypo tester" that tells you whether there is any fixer left in the paper. Haven't used it myself yet but saw it demonstrated by another KZreadr.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

3 жыл бұрын

That's interesting, thanks.

The eternal innovator. Well done . . . . again.

In the early days before RC paper, I was taught that the FB paper always curled toward the emulsion side.

@nickfanzo

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, true. And if you hand them back to back in the same clips, it can help stop curling.

Great video

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nasos

Try slightly dampen the paper before the ironing. The water will releas the stress in fiber and emulsion . When you Iron it the paper will take its flat form way easier. Give it a try!

Watching you in the darkroom is recreation.

Hi, just this few words to say a big thank you to you... I've found your channel with a bit of luck, and i must say it's the best for film related contents i ever watched on KZread. I love the way you take us with you in your journey, from shoot to the wall, in a very teaching way. I'm a self made photographer, and i learn all days long from others, but good film and darkroom related contents are rare nowadays as most KZreadrs are concentrating on technicals things or gear. Another things i loved, is you're not shooting with expensive gears like a hassy or a leica. To be honest i've watched all your channel contents in maybe 2 or 3 days... and now I'm waiting for your next video with a lot of impatience So keep going, and i hope someday i could come to the isle of wight, or you could come to brittany, where i live and maybe meeting you and paying you a pint ;) best regards from a froggy

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Greg. Working on new videos so keep a look out. Like you I learned self taught and can't afford all the expensive gear so get by like most of us. "Froggy" 😂

@buchsg

5 жыл бұрын

​@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss i'm a suscriber now and i clicked the bell waiting for it to ring . I'm even thinking to be part of your patreon members because I know the cost that can have a darkroom and all related products

There is something about fibre...... but when I used to print runs of say 200+ 5x7s, RC was a blessing...easier to dry and use.

good picture, nice print! If you stick to Fibre I can recommend Fomabrom 111 - so much cheaper and the same quality! Best Tom

I just throw mine under some heavy art books to flatten, works fine.

Great video ..just stared trying to make prints in the darkroom.. many failures but loving the whole process

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

The failures lead to better things. I know that much!

This video took me back to when we had an embarrassment of available fiber papers. There were so many you could choose your paper for nuances! Agfa Brovira, Ektalure, many Ilford types and so many more from around the world. They cost more to use so I worked up my prints using resin papers and made my final on fiber. I correlated exposure and contrast by previous tests. That first print passed the selenium test for residual fixer so, you never know, your grandchildren might be proud.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

4 жыл бұрын

What was the cost of paper like compared to today? Was it similar price as regular inkjet papers today?

@jamesjacocks6221

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss I'm remembering 8 X 10 fiber being .50/sheet plus ca. 1972. RC, as it was called in the US, was between 60 and 75% of the cost of fiber. The time savings of course still applied so for all but the "exhibition print" it was plastic. I'm a fan of glossy fiber paper, air dried so it's slightly matte. I then spritz the back of the curly print and put it in my dry mount press, take it out hot and press it in blotter paper. Flat as a filbert. Double weight was as stiff as a card. I'm a durst user and have an antique but majestic 5 X 7 that must weigh 200 kg. Cursed glass carriers too.

Great video! I’ve recently started to print on fb paper as well. I would be very curious to see the results on glossy fb paper!

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Me too!

Jeeze, you weren’t kidding when you told me you spent a long time on this video!

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

lol

Found a cheap way to flatten prints...Matt board inside a trouser press (£15 on eBay!!)

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

You say that. My first idea was actually under the bed over night! Poor man's trouser press.

@thebingleywheeler

5 жыл бұрын

Shoot Film Like a Boss I remember that method of pressing trousers from my early days in the force.....top of the range Corby trouser presses now 20 quid....way to go!

I really like the Ilford glossy fiber. It isn’t nearly as glossy as the RC paper and it isn’t textured like what you are using here. Give it a try once you do there is no going back. :) oh and you can dry the prints flat under books over night.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Won't stick to the pages?

@terrywbreedlove

5 жыл бұрын

Shoot Film Like a Boss Nope big do put them in between Matt board with the books on top

Fiber paper is the only way to go

If your fixing and washing routine was insufficient, my understanding is that the selenium toning would've brought that out. Any residual silver would have toned. If you've got residual fixer, on the other hand, and that'ss something you can test for, the print will develop stains as time foes on. How did all that work out? I don't know that you ever said..

I'd pay to learn this art

Very interesting video. How is George?

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Socrates. George is nuts again! He is getting used to having one eye. Thanks!

If you're going to hang FB prints to dry, try putting two prints together, back-to-back, wet enough to stick together?

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Does that dry them flat?

@Sahhmi

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Not perfectly, it still leaves some curling, but it's much more easy to flatten them out later.

I hang my fibre prints back to back with clothes pegs at the corners and they dry pretty flat

This was a great video for me as I'm currently CONSIDERING buying this paper, but I'm not sure if it's worth the considerable cost. I have some mother-and-baby shots I want to make for the mum, and I want them to look spectacular. And I am still torn. Your prints look nice. The egg shell look and the heavy weight look appealing. But, I'm not sure it is SO much better? I guess what I am interested to know from you, as someone who prints A LOT, is have you used the paper since? Do you still use it for any special work? Or do you not think its especially worth the extra?

I been working in the darkroom about 40 years and I say no one beats the Agfa paper . It is pity that you cant find it anymore . The grades and the blacks I seen in it i didn’t seen them on any other papers . For me Agfa was number one . Some time fiber paper I used to glaze it and it will come out more brilliant and glossy specially the low key .

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

2 жыл бұрын

What do you use today Mario that compares?

@mariocutajar3833

2 жыл бұрын

Today i changed the system to digital . I live in malta and it came to me very difficult to find materials now days . I still have the darkroom and still have my three enlargers and every thing as well . But as I said it came difficult to me and also to many friends members of the malta photographic society . And now it is more difficult to buy from UK because of Brexit .

You can flatten prints with a tshirt press from eBay . FYI

When you are using that iron, try using blotting paper between the board and the print. I do the same with my dryer. Blotting paper is very inexpensive and keeps everything consistent and not a great chance of dyes from the board leaching on to the print.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that tip. I've not noticed dye from the board inbedding into the print..... Yet! But good thought!

@praxis1138

5 жыл бұрын

Great video though my man. Really dig these.

Love the video! Can’t recall if you have mentioned it or not, but what selenium toner do you use? Do you use the Ilford stuff?

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

It's called Selinia.

Fiber > RC Just the look of fiber paper alone is worth the extra. My favourite is still the FB Warmtone Semi-matt papers.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

I've yet to try others. I wouldn't mind trying glossy next

Hi Rodger, nice one as usual. Dis you notice any changes in tee print color after almost a year now from making that video? Stay safe, Florian

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

4 жыл бұрын

Not on the master print but the test print I did. It went a stained yellow patchy kind of look.

I've never used resin paper and I think your washing will be adequate. I have fiber prints that I have washed in trays, letting them soak and changing out the water a few times over a couple of hours and I have never had a print lose its original values. I always selenium tone in a hypo clear solution (sodium sulfite basically). You were doing the right thing when washing after fixing and before toning; sometimes that will cause yellow spots to appear if fixer is still in the paper. Depending on the type of fixer you used, sodium thiosulfate based fixers can cause staining if not washed prior to toning, but your experience may differ. I use Ilford Hypam fixer now and it has cut my fixing time down and made toning much easier. I like your DIY washer, I still wash my prints in big 16x20 trays, kind of a soak and flush process. I dry mine on screens and if I want them flat I put them in my dry mount press for a minute and then put a heavy book on top (make sure it is clean, no grit) while it cools. Enjoyed the video!

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info Steve. Appreciated. Why are you fiber only?

@steveh1273

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Fiber is supposed to be more archival, or at least it was when I started way back when.

Hello! Please tell me what kind of matte boards you used to align the print, what material are they made of?

Hi, you might like to have a look at Lina Bessonova and her vid on archival washing of fibre based paper and save money, a bit of an eye opener! Enjoy your channel vvg

Don´t need to use multigrade filters for this kind of paper?

Expensive paper is dangerous. Don't have the space for a printing darkroom, but I do enjoy my inkjet printing, and have to say that I've got a box of Hahnemuhle & Museo paper that I won't bring myself to use at times because it's too expensive! Daft I know, "Don't use it because you might need it for something important"... I was curious about fibre based papers and whether they'd curl badly. I hate washing and ironing, so I can see that even if I did get the space for it, I'd probably stick to RC.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

It was a lengthy process!

Nice presentation which model enlarger b&w are u using

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Durst m605

If you like fiber, you might consider that kind of dedicated paper dryer. st-lento.pl/adpics/large/11_2017/02/562055_suszarka-fotograficzna-libella-zdjecia.jpg Emulsion down for glossy, emulsion up (to the cloth) for matte. A couple of minutes and you're done.

Hi , I dry my fiber print on a at least 6 mm thick glass plate . First I wipe the water off the print and place it with the photo upwards on the glass plate . Press away the air unther the print . Than I cut aquarel glue paper strokes on lenght . Moister the glue paper stroke on a sponge with a tiny bit water . It must not be dripping wet , than the glue get unther the print and you get big problems to get the dried print from the glass plate . So moister the paper tape light . Than I go to bed and the next morning I cut with a narrow brake off knife along the edges off the print . If you are lucky you hear the dried print tick from the losing tension . Sometime you have to cut a little bit unther the print where the paper edge got glued to the glass plate . Here is the narrow brake off knife very handy you can bend the knife flat to cout unther paper . Why I do dry my fiber prints this way ? Because the fibers from the paper get straight in one direction and the fiber print will stay flat for ever . The other important plus is that the tint and tonal scale from the fiber print stay the same like the wet print . My paper Fomabrom Variant become a little yellow from hot drying in a press . Your wintersport prints look like taken in the Sahara effect ..... I can have made some mistakes in my Dutch engels , but I think you untherstand . Peter .

@rotfai45mm

4 жыл бұрын

PS I remove the papertape on the glassplate with a Stanly sticker removing knife and clean the glassplate . Peter .

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing this Peter. If you ever make a video or image illustration I'd be interested to see. Thank you.

@rotfai45mm

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss I will try to make a instruction video some time , greetings Peter .

Quite specific, but what contrast level and enlarger f-stop do you expose at? I struggle a bit with achieving great contrast on my fibre prints :)

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

2 жыл бұрын

I always start with a 2.5 Grade filter and two stops down from my widest aperture. From there I can decide how to start using the filters to control the contrast. Your negatives could be flat also.

From what I saw in a store, the only difference is that this paper is textured. Not crazy about that. Is it easier to work with?

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

3 жыл бұрын

That was some time ago. From what I remember the paper had a lovely feel to it but fixing and washing and drying took more time and it I had to flatten the paper after drying.

I know it's a little out of topic and a few months ago, but do you remember the settings on the Zeiss for this picture? Thank you :)

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

4 жыл бұрын

Any shots like that on the zeiss I set the focus to infinity. And generally follow the sunny 16 rule. I keep it simple.

Great job. I am wondering about the five minutes developing time. Is this special for this Ilford paper and developer combo? When I develop my favorite Foma Fibre paper I apply the rule of thumb - 6 times the time until the image appears. So about 90 seconds. Would that work also with this paper?

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

I noticed my test strip got more black after three minutes so I left it in for five just to be on the safe side. I could have done a max black test.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

I also messaged you recently on Patreon Heiko.

@Sahhmi

5 жыл бұрын

Art 300 technical data sheet gives a preferred development time of 3 minutes for this paper (with dilution of 1+9, but 5 mins on 1+14 with Multigrade developer). On other papers it's usually more like 2 minutes (like the cheaper Ilford FB papers with Multigrade dev.). Check the data sheets on different papers!

Did you consider using Speed Wash to shorten the wash time? I checked some small fiber based prints I did of one of my sons about 28 years ago and they look fine, no yellowing at all.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

I used a wash aid but still gave it 30 minutes. I'll be interested to see what that print looks like after washing for just a short while.

@mamiyapress

5 жыл бұрын

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss The most popular type of fiber based paper back in the Camera Club days was Glossy Unglazed i.e. glossy paper but let dry naturally.

Any update on if the quick fix and short rinse has yellowed?

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

The print is still. In my darkroom on the wall. Not yet have I noticed any change.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Hi, visit my Community area on this channel. I've just posted a photo of that print. Ah yeah, it's changing

if you use RC paper for test strips could you get your exposure then switch to FB paper to save on waste of the expensive FB paper?

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

2 жыл бұрын

Not a good idea. You may get different results and end up wasting more paper.

@thevalleyofdisappointment

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss NO!

Re: Burning the sky; would the result be different if you use ND grad filters? Or aren't you really a fan of those?

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

I have no grad filters. Good ones are kind of expensive such as Lee Filters. Not being a professional landscape photographer I'd probably use the money on other kit and do without the grads.

@jonathanwalters2176

4 жыл бұрын

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss You can probably still buy the Cokin Z-Pro graduated filter kit at a lower price than the individual pieces. That is how I got mine.

Hello from Brooklyn, New York - What happened to the print that you washed for a minute over time ? did it yellow etc ect. TY

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

Жыл бұрын

No issues and still preserved

hello, 3 years after this video do you still use baryta paper, or do you prefer RC paper thank you and have a nice day

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

Жыл бұрын

I prefer RC

Began printing before resin coated paper existed.

I think the high weight of the paper has not sense. The old AZO Kodak was light weight paper with wonderful black and tones on a wonderful surface. Tones, black and surface look are the most important factor in a print.. and not the weight! In my opinion the paper should have more silver... and less weight!.

So, what did happen to the print?

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

3 жыл бұрын

I featured it in a few videos after that. It went all stained and yucky!

@richardstollar4291

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss I guess that was expected really :)

Fibre paper spoils you. It spots perfectly for dust, tones nicely and has huge archival permanence. The downside is it's prone to curl, takes longer to wash and these days is damned expensive. There are as many theories on flattening the stuff as there are photographers. The traditional way was in big linen coated print glazers. I find getting the paper almost dry and sandwiching it in water colour paper under a heavy weight works. To get it perfectly flat FB paper needs mounting. Matt resin coated paper is a reasonable substitute.

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Matt Jones mentioned water colour book drying. Interesting!

we didnt see the bubbles

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

I'll show you next time 😂

'Bubbles' doesn;t mean you are a West Ham supporter -- it means your Stop Bath is TOO STRONG !

@ShootFilmLikeaBoss

5 жыл бұрын

Ha ha