Figuring out how to turn this amulet into something that reliably heals you is a dark art.

What a fantastic video! Very clear way of explaining not too simple interactions.

Love learning about these esoteric interactions. I would say that it's probably a pretty big sacrifice to get this setup going, but potentially worth it in niche scenarios

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree, I think you'd need to build around the concept from the beginning

I think it’s only a matter of time before an interaction is found that makes this a must-have amulet.

@martinsvilands7334

Жыл бұрын

Desecrate and devouring totem makes leech reliable and with high level devouring totem you're getting 400+ life per corpse consumed meaning each instance of leech can be close to maximum leech so long as your life pool is around 4-5k. Also, certain items give general leech which applies to all sorts of kills. Like the current exploding totems.

@ArawnOfAnnwn

Жыл бұрын

Woolfio tried to make it work, and concluded that pretty much your only good option is to build it similar to how you would a wardloop build.

your channel is excellent bro does tainted pact work with mahuxotl's machination? tks you

@dreamcore_gg

9 ай бұрын

Appreciate that! It does work indeed

Wonder how combo of that flask mod works with Bone shatter, forth Vow and divine flesh... should be amazing! Especially with low chaos res

Additional Tip: Glimpse of Chaos can set your Chaos Resistance to Zero, meaning the healing from the amulet becomes significantly stronger against all elemental DoTs, and functionally means you don't need any immunity to ignite, poison, or elemental/chaos ground effects (as long as you're leeching of course). This works out better than the self-poison Golden Rule version because that one increases your chaos resist for every poison on you, meaning you're healed less and less as more stacks are applied to you. I'll probably be using this combo on my next build!

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

But then you'll just fall over to even a small hit of elemental damage because your effective elemental resistance against hits would be 37.5% assuming the base 75% cap

@apocryphascribe5019

Жыл бұрын

@@dreamcore_gg That's what the armour scaling on Fourth Vow/mastery is for.

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

@@apocryphascribe5019 Yeah, it's just going to be pretty underwhelming unless you have incredible amounts of armour. The recovery is not really worth it if you are chunking to hits all the time I think

Righteous fire and herald of thunder for constant life leech works really well.

@MrAntiKnowledge

Жыл бұрын

Herald of Thunder, yes. But RF can't leech since it's not a hit.

@pitmanfirst2165

Жыл бұрын

@@MrAntiKnowledge I meant you use the herald for constant leeching and RF for main damage

So what i gathered from this is go scion with slayer/pathfinder, hit based forbidden rite with the leech flask and ele flasks. use rf and the boots for adrenaline/more spell damage and just do self cast hit based fr scion?

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

You could do that yep, throw in the fourth vow too for good measure 👍

Was gonna bring up the flask craft lol

Lessgo!

That's awesome but we need a proof of concept in game pls !!

I sat down and did like an hour of testing and feel beyond frustrated because you can't really tell if its working or not. Sometimes it seems to work and sometimes not, I want to make an oni-goroshi build but it looks like the debuff isn't affect by this mod, maybe it is but it doesn't appear to be. I wanted to also add the boots but I just vanish in hp despite me being a slayer with over leech. I don't know, seems like wayyyy to much work for a little payout

I will use this on an armour stacker champ smiter next league

on taking an elemental hit while affected by petrified blood, does the damage prevented you take afterwards count as an 'elemental DoT' for the purposes of this amulet?

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

No it doesn't - when you take a hit with petrified blood, all of the damage is taken on the impact of the hit, as a hit for the purpose of any interacting mechanics(like recoup), then the life loss over time does not count as damage over time and cannot be mitigated further in any way.

extremely helpful knowledge for scrubs like me

A ridicilous idea I had, Was using a 15% of damage is leeched as life node, The leech node "If leech was removed because of reaching full life, gain 25% life recoup" Needs testing though Skeleton - heartbound loop with lowest possible damage, That glove granting adrenaline and onslaught with reaching full life with leech. If you have flask sustain, throw a forbidden taste as well Divine flesh + righteous fire And this amulet. How to start the chain? Drink the automated damage leeched as life flask, Weapon swap to trigger skeleton loop, drink the forbidden taste a few times to have life recoup and let the recoup catch up and help you heal the skeleton damage. For catching up part, maybe temporal rift can help. Then, righteous fire Now, What do you have? Constant leech uptime, probably adrenaline and onslaught since you will most likely reach to full life with leech enough times, Basically any kind of elemental damage overtime, ground degen etc will heal you, You can throw the Apep item to turn bleeds into heal as well, Golden rule to self poison and bleed, You will have such an insane amount of heal that, as long as you don't get one-shotted, you will outregen basically anything and everything this game can throw. Since this whole mess, is not a life regen but healing from a flask or other effect, it shouldn't be affected by no regen mod, With more damage taken, thanks to recoup, you will gain more life regen. Basically no need for ailment immunity/cleansing. Maaybe corrupted blood immunity is still necessary. As I said, it is ridicilous and requires insane investment. But if you have something like progenesis or enough base defence against big hits, then you should be able to out-heal basically anything and everything this game can throw at you. Worth it? You can get similar defence with less investment sooo... I am not sure.

maybe its worth using just to be immune to chaos dots and be done with it. don't 'rely on it for anything else

Can we combine this with the Bloodnotch combo so we only need to watchvout for big oneshot Attacke?

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

You could absolutely use it with bloodnotch yep

Forbidden rite and pathfinder are op this league holy fuck

I was trying to use this to counter the chaos dot from DO, but could not find a reliable way to keep leech up. I do not like how complicated leech duration is.

@Time2paw

11 ай бұрын

use 4s trigger from weapon to cast FR and flask that leech damage when flask active. If you have 100% flask uptime u can easy use this tech.

can we make this work with rf somehow?

Oni-garoshi has potential. The debuff only comes when you ignite with an attack so you can easily have it match to your leech instance. Only issue is how weak oni is no a days.

@davidanderegg1232

Жыл бұрын

The debuff isn't big enough to matter.

Heya! I've tried getting this bloody amulet to work well but the constant balance between making yourself be leeching while also being poisoned or bleeding with the shield is just infuriating. If your leech drops off before your poisons do then you just insta-die. It's also worth noting that "reduced duration of poisons on your" from jewels doesn't work for the reflected poisons from Golden Rule so you have full duration poisons and you're just constantly praying that your leech doesn't drop off before the poisons. Honestly.....it's just really not worth the investment or time spent thinking about it. I spent a week trying to get it to work because it seemed cool on paper but in reality it's just trash haha

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think it's quite the clunky interaction overall, in general I prefer the simple approach of just having DF and this amulet in your build, and when you're playing normally you will just be leeching most of the time and those elemental DoTs barely affect you at all. But building into self poison etc. is quite difficult to get right

So do I go slayer or pathfinder?

And just imagine if there any ways to convert more damage into chaos that isn't "Hit", that would be overheal)

Lvl 1 cast when dmg taken + forbidden rite

Tried this with selfcast FR on flaskfinder, had a 15% leech flask, a ruby flask, 75% all res and 80% chaos, and I couldn't sustain RF or the uber boots even remotely, even while spamming FR. I think the damage you take from casting FR is just so low with 80% resist that the leech amount and therefore duration is shorter than your recast time, such that you can't always be leeching even while spamming it nonstop. Really sad :(

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

Damn that's sad, but yeah that would make sense, if the leech instance is small it's likely to end quickly as you say. Were you using the forth vow or the chaos armour mastery? Also did you have a form of overleech? Just did a few calculations, it seems each leech instance should last about 0.8 seconds, that's assuming zero energy shield and 33% flask effect, if you have ES/more flask effect, it should be a bit more. If you have forth vow or chaos armour mastery it will be much shorter. I think the play here may be to use the crucible shield mod that I talked about that lowers max chaos by 5%. With 75% chaos resistance and the numbers mentioned above, those leech instances will be about 1 second each. With some additional ES that can be used for EB, those leech instances will be higher still.

@Idontwantyourcookie

Жыл бұрын

@@dreamcore_gg Yeah I was using the forth vow, no chaos armour mastery though. even 1 second leech seems a bit annoying to maintain while selfcast like I was planning, might put more work into it later

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

@@Idontwantyourcookie Yeah it's true, but you do only need to maintain it out of combat, obviously when you are actually hitting enemies there's no problem

Can u explain this to me please , cause I think I'm dumb, but: Why just not using negative -60% chaos resistance to increasing the healing part?

@RiomaWF

Жыл бұрын

if you take a chaos damage hit you die

@sanfera5644

Жыл бұрын

Simple answer, a map mod #% of any damage monsters deal as chaos damage. Proabably a single hit from a rare monster would kill you instantly. Even with arcane cloak or any other guard skill you can pull off.

didnt understand how petrified lood gives you overleech. and i assume its not the case, but is there a way to have petrified blood and progenesis dot heal you instead of damage you? if i got 90% fire res and only 80% chaos res, then i would heal from rf all the time right? as long as im leeching of course.

@dreamcore_gg

Ай бұрын

Petrified blood gives you overleech if you have less than 50% of your life reserved, because you can never reach filled unreserved life(the maximum recoverable amount is 50% by default, so at 50% you'll stop 'recovering' but any leech instances are not removed as leech is only removed when unreserved life is full. Progenesis and/or petrified blood don't cause damage over time. Any modifiers to damage over time won't apply to these mechanics. When you take a hit that is prevented by either of these mechanics, the full hit damage is taken on the moment of impact for the purpose of anything that interacts with hits(fe. recoup). Then a portion of that hit damage is delayed and lost as life loss over time(not damage, because the damage has already been taken at the moment of impact). We know this is not damage because you can use these mechanics with Dissolution of the Flesh, and the life loss over time does not reserve life. Life loss over time from either mechanic is lethal however. Yes you would heal from RF, also the same for things like the uber exarch boots.

@dervakommtvonhinten517

Ай бұрын

@@dreamcore_gg very interesting point with annihilations approach. unfortunately i cant find any information anywhere how long that status lasts. the sites only tell me i get that buff every 5 seconds. dont know if its possible to have 100% uptime with it though. i would be really interested if it were possible to have the following setup: 100% ele conversion, 50% fire 50% chaos. rigtheous fire, more fire res than chaos res. rf active for constant regeneration the boots active for constant regeneration both should regenerate for 10% of total damage amount since the fire portion only takes 10% of damage, chaos portion 20%. with progenesis + petrified blood + mind over matter that should be a very tanky build, even with less than 1000 actual life cause of low life status. (plan to reserve petrified blood with arrogance, so before enlighten support that will be a 70% life reservation) the only issue now is how to have the effect of the boots active all the time, and how to best go about leeching all the time (even when not attacking, since i dont wanna insta die the moment i cant leech from anyone for more than 5 seconds).

Why get any chaos resistance at all? If all that damage heals you instead of damaging you.

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

Because you are using DF - if you have no chaos resistance you'll just die to elemental hits

Finally our useless Uber Exarch boots can be useable, thanks

Isnt it beneficial here to have lowest chaos res? Especially with forth Vow, which makes chaos res work only for dot, and not hits

It reminds me of a self-damage build with leeching

If only Incandescent Heart didn’t specify hits only ;_;

Spent a good portion of Crucible league trying to get this stupid thing working.... And I'll probably be doing the same thing this league. But I think I'll do an RF jug so I have a good start... really, really, really tired of dying or committing suicide over and over. I think about the only thing I can use to get a reliable 5 second leech aside from large hits is with FR and at most with 85% chaos res.

Does tainted pact still work with vaal pact?

@dreamcore_gg

10 ай бұрын

It does - even though tainted pact's recovery could be confused as regeneration, it's not, and these work together

Have you tested it ? Because according to wikis, damage over time cannot be converted therefore divine flesh doesn't synergies with tainted pact

@thyriel

Жыл бұрын

dots can be converted as long as the text does not include the wording "from hits" on it

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

There are actually quite a few modifiers which shift the damage type of all damage you take, including DoT, such as Divine Flesh and Tempered by War, and the modifiers on Cloak of Flame and Dawnbreaker to name a few.

@hkorpela

Жыл бұрын

The Wiki page for Divine Flesh itself seems to have been incorrect (I edited it). It incorrectly referred to damage conversion, but Divine Flesh does not cause any damage conversion. It causes what is usually referred to as "shifting" damage. The Wiki page "Receiving damage" and "Damage taken as" may be helpful. "Damage taken as", or shifts, can apply to DoTs. They are typically, but not always, explicitly restricted to damage from hits; if that restriction is not mentioned anywhere, it does not apply. Conversion, indeed, cannot apply to DoTs, but conversions always apply on the side of the attacker anyways. For something that forces damage that enemies try to inflict to you to be converted, see Pyroshock Clasp.

Wouldn't you want no chaos res? I would think no chaos res would give you insane chaos healing.

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

It would, but then you'd just die to elemental hits since you are taking 50% of the hit at 0% resistance.

I dont get it, if u wanna leech a lot, why are u making it have 80% chaos res? Dont u want it to go negative?

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

If it's negative, you just die to elemental and/or chaos hits with divine flesh

Unfortunately the leeching condition is worse than everyone thinks. Its okay for a 1c defense but your not gonna have it when you need it.

@davidanderegg1232

Жыл бұрын

To clarify the max leech is 5s unless your slayer. There’s no way to increase that. And to get even that you need hits that are 100x most poison builds.

@Suppaichu

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, i’ve been cracking my head trying to think of a way for this to not feel horrible to play, but it’s probably not happening unless you automate writhing jar with a macro or something. Cwdt loop works, but then you can’t have phys damage negation. And the best viable loop build is ward, which already has awesome recovery through life recoup, so you don’t even gain that much :/

Why are all the new defensive mechanics just having one thing do another thing. Use armor for ele damage, use armor for chaos damage, dot actually heals you over time, leech makes you take less damage, armor applies to ele damage again, life regen make you get rage, take ele damage as chaos damage, you have -1 max cold res but you take fire as lightning and evasion caps your chaos res and if you have 26% movement speed boots you move 27% slower and your armor aplies to light radius cannot deal critical strikes. This is psychotic, how do they think this looks like to general audiences? Converting what stats do is cool but not after the 250th time you've done it.

@ArawnOfAnnwn

Жыл бұрын

"how do they think this looks like to general audiences?" - I'd say it'd look like a puzzle, something that would get them wondering just how is this strange mechanic meant to be used. And that's exactly the kind of mindset one needs when playing PoE.

@tindekappa9047

Жыл бұрын

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Yes armor could defend against physical damage but instead it is a puzzle. Armor could do anything in poe. Brilliant. All the top defensive builds either use ele res to reduce physical hits or armor to reduce ele hits. Or armor for chaos hits or chaos res for ele hits. I use armor for phys hits and ele res for ele hits and that almost makes me a boomer.

@joeboh7517

Жыл бұрын

Also oni-goroshi could work well with the divine flesh ammy setup

@ryianvu2176

Жыл бұрын

@@tindekappa9047 this defensive remapping is only really needed for when you reach endgame content, it isnt supposed to be easy to complete endgame ahit because if it was, it wouldnt be fun if you didnt have to figure it out

I'm pretty sure that doesn't work with righteous fire...

@dreamcore_gg

Жыл бұрын

It absolutely does.