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If Zak Gramarye Never Fired Kristoph Gavin

[MAJOR SPOILERS for Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney]
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Had been working on this one for a long time, but put it on hold because of my military service :(
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Title says all. What would have happened if Zak Gramarye hadn't fired Kristoph Gavin over that fateful game of poker, as I imagined it.
As always, made in Objection.lol
Enjoy
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Character credits and OL codes
1) Phoenix Wright (by Yumi): PIYMOM
2) Klavier Gavin Young (by A1zen): KIMBKK
3) Kristoph Gavin Counsel (by P.R.): GYKDVN
4) Kristoph Gavin Witness (by TATom05, Jay Faraday and rhythmiic): THZBUX
5) Zak Gramarye/Shadi Smith (by No Way! Yes Way): CVCULW
6) Vera Misham Young (by Lorento): XEVXZM
7) Drew Misham (OL default)
8) The Judge (by Gosha): NTKXUS
9) Valant Gramarye Young (by electric): OFMPAX

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  • @debastiansebeste
    @debastiansebeste Жыл бұрын

    Gotta cut Kristoph some slack, I guess. Or not. 😅

  • @Monhamd1000

    @Monhamd1000

    Жыл бұрын

    Perhaps not, considering that he got left behind for more room for more characters.

  • @kitttykatty

    @kitttykatty

    Жыл бұрын

    And hes like yeah :/

  • @Devilsblight86
    @Devilsblight86 Жыл бұрын

    Actually made me more mad at Zak. If he told Phoenix from the start about the page, Phoenix would have realized that the page he was given was fake and demanded that Trucy tell him who actually gave it to her and reported it immediately. Thus, he wouldn't have lost his badge, Trucy wouldn't have lost her father, Vera wouldn't have lost her father as well, and the only person who's life was ruined would have been Kristoph's and Valant's. All because Zak didn't cooperate with the best man who could have easily helped him since the beginning: Phoenix Wright.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    This is the most unforgivable act of his to me too, I never understood why he hid the magic rights and didn't speak up even when Wright presented the fake page. The dude was either a horrible villain, or just badly written in order to ensure that Wright would lose his badge :p

  • @Devilsblight86

    @Devilsblight86

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste Especially since it would have also proved that there was no way Zak would have killed Magnifi cause why would he kill a man who was giving him his inheritance? Zak's silence was so unnecessary. I love Shu Takumi for creating this franchise, but this was just a bad oversight on his part.

  • @MinorLife10

    @MinorLife10

    Жыл бұрын

    A good magician. A bad father. A terrible defendant.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MinorLife10 so terrible it even seems intentional xD

  • @blastthechaos6083

    @blastthechaos6083

    Жыл бұрын

    He did say he intended to disappear and that it wouldn't matter how the trial ended (as a way to reassure Phoenix) it's just that the forgery mess was something that caught both him and Phoenix off guard

  • @powerbolt2846
    @powerbolt2846 Жыл бұрын

    you know its a good scenario when only thing saddening is pheonix never adopting trucy

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    True, but it's a big negative ngl

  • @powerbolt2846

    @powerbolt2846

    Жыл бұрын

    yeah it would really hurt as an AJ enjoyer

  • @xxsegaxx

    @xxsegaxx

    Жыл бұрын

    To be fair... Kristoph could still kill Zak and Phoenix Wright could get the custody of the child because dumb plot. I mean,it's Ace Attorney so we can make excuses "The police and caretakers were busy so we are leaving you alone with this child". This way you could make them both bond and then you can make him wanna adopt her and do it

  • @lostanimeworld11

    @lostanimeworld11

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@xxsegaxx I think what could happen is Zak noticing Kristoph is now after him, and request Phoenix to take care of Trucy while he's on the run. Phoenix got curious, and once he investigate and figured out that it's Kristoph, he could have a side gig at the bar playing poker, waiting for Zak to return. His attorney job? Probably at its slowest after the trial ruined the credibility of the Defense Lawyers, and it's only Apollo winning the case when people start seeking lawyers again. By that time, Phoenix is setting up the Jury system, so he let Apollo handle the cases in the meantime.

  • @StarLightShadows

    @StarLightShadows

    5 ай бұрын

    I hate to say this, but, based on that ending scene, I feel like in this version of the story Kristoph would end up straight up murdering Trucy to get back at Zak.

  • @RedRiotGamez
    @RedRiotGamez Жыл бұрын

    It seems in every universe, Kristoph fails.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Ngl he kinda deserves it :p

  • @jameslegends0920

    @jameslegends0920

    Жыл бұрын

    No hate towards you but more towards KZread itself because this was the comment I saw and it kinda spoiled the ending of the vid. I was kinda expecting kristoph to win or lose either way so I’m not really mad about this.

  • @FranziskaVonProdigySlays

    @FranziskaVonProdigySlays

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste mhm, but still, i am a simp for him-

  • @proximaeon

    @proximaeon

    Жыл бұрын

    That's actually a good thing.

  • @keepyourshoesathedoor

    @keepyourshoesathedoor

    8 ай бұрын

    @@FranziskaVonProdigySlays Same.

  • @johan9428
    @johan94287 ай бұрын

    7:21 That's the scariest face of Kristoph Gavin ever. That's the face of someone barely able to contain behind his calm facade his anger and hatred at the guy who just betrayed and ruined him. Now that Zak has earned Kristoph's full and undivided enmity, he and Trucy are in even more mortal danger than in canon. One cannot cross the Devil and expect to live a calm and peaceful life.

  • @shinobirecords2018
    @shinobirecords2018 Жыл бұрын

    The end feels like it's setting up for a continuation... this could make for a very interesting AU of Apollo Justice, if you ask me!

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure how the story would proceed from here on, but it definitely would give an entirely new ace attorney world to explore

  • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

    @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@debastiansebeste I think this is another alternate timeline where the Misham Family are still alive but can be potential witnesses for the future case because Zak Grammarye is going to die anyway and also the Mishams are your best bet if you wanted a reliable witness to prove Kristoph's guilt.

  • @AlguienCualquieraDelMundo
    @AlguienCualquieraDelMundo Жыл бұрын

    I think Kristoph and Roger Retinez would become best friends and partners in their road to destroy the Gramaryes

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Damn right, and they'd probably make a formidable duo

  • @Valant_Valiant

    @Valant_Valiant

    Жыл бұрын

    So true

  • @darkkirb206
    @darkkirb206 Жыл бұрын

    Well, this was a much more interesting AU than I was initially expecting. I had a feeling that the validity of the diary page would be called into question, but Zak himself being the one to basically get Kristoph disbarred was a welcome surprise. Zak definitely was a guy who did a LOT of questionable (to put it mildly) things in Apollo Justice, but good to see that he was above getting a not guilty verdict through dirty means and getting his partner arrested on false charges. And it’s also good to know that the Mishams were spared in this universe, but it is pretty sad to think that Apollo and Trucy may never meet since Zak’s a free man.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Tbf a whole new story opens up. We have no idea how Turnabout serenade would play out, if Phoenix would be the one to defend Lamiroir and Machi Tobeye, if he'd find out about Lamiroir's true identity and reveal it to Zak and Trucy, if he'd ever create the Mason system in the first place since the dark age of the law would have never happened (Kristoph's career would have ended early on and Phoenix never lost his badge). The possibilities are countless tbh

  • @agibussniper7360
    @agibussniper7360 Жыл бұрын

    This man's in boot camp and still delivering flawless content What an absolute trooper, nay, an absolute unit, not even that, absolute GIGA CHAD!

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmao thank you mate 😂

  • @somedudefromapharmacy

    @somedudefromapharmacy

    9 ай бұрын

    Seriously? Damn sir, you are a trooper! Pun totally intended.

  • @Veriox22
    @Veriox22 Жыл бұрын

    Seeing klavier support his brother and refuse to believe his forgery, despite the fact that kristoph didn't care about him, shows how kind and loving of his brother he is. Meanwhile Zak is a massive idiot, but at least Nick was fine in the end. This ending opens many possibilities for something wrong happening to Zak...

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah Zak seems to be in more danger than he ever was (even compared to when he actually died to Kristoph 😅)

  • @Veriox22

    @Veriox22

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste ....this is actually true. In the AU zak was just hunted down and was forced to change identity and flee. But at least kristoph had taken his anger out on nick. Im honestly scared of what happens to zak.

  • @sleepycowboy18
    @sleepycowboy182 ай бұрын

    Some of the people might be saved and alive in this timeline, but i cant help getting the feel that this Kristoph would be much nastier and more chaotic than canon timeline

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    2 ай бұрын

    Given how he did what he did because he couldn't be Zak's lawyer, imagine what he'd do if he suddenly lost his job, his public reputation and all his "dignity". Definitely far nastier lol

  • @blastthechaos6083
    @blastthechaos6083 Жыл бұрын

    Actually, the trial would still be inconclusive since Zak would still go "Nah fam, you can declare a verdict if I don't exist" and disappear, he did say to Phoenix that it wouldn't matter how the trial ends... Although I can imagine he would still stay to be declared innocent to not .ake the trial more complicated than it already was

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah. I suppose the vid could be alternatively titled "If Zak Gramarye was 10% less of an ass and actually cooperated with Phoenix" xD

  • @LizzieourWorld

    @LizzieourWorld

    Жыл бұрын

    If he’s innocent, he could give the rights to Trucy without having to disappear.

  • @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

    @xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@LizzieourWorld He knows he is innocent but due to his upbringing with Magnifi, I very much doubt it.

  • @VannyBeumer

    @VannyBeumer

    5 ай бұрын

    Except he would only do that if he was found guilty, which he wasn't.

  • @jakubrejak1114
    @jakubrejak1114 Жыл бұрын

    Oh, man, this is brilliant! Is a sequel to this possible? I feel like there are still threads left to explore - with Zak, Valant, Kristoph, Phoenix and what not. Is it possible?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, a sequel is not in my short-term plans, but who knows. I may work on it someday in the future

  • @Tidnro
    @Tidnro Жыл бұрын

    Kristoph scares me. When I heard a bit of how evil he was I expected the reason of making pheonix suffer to be more dramatic but no… The only reason those 7 years happened was because Christoph got pissy like a little child just because he wasn’t picked for a single case. People like him actually exist and they do stuff like murder people for little reasons or petty reasons it’s really fucking scary

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, to he honest Kristoph had a lot to earn if he defended Zak and won the trial. The Gramaryea were a super famous troupe at the time, so that trial drew the attention of the public as well. Kristoph knew he was in for renown and recognition if he won that trial. So when Zak fired him and hired Wright, Kristoph saw it as if Zak and Wright took that huge opportunity away from him. Of course one could argue that if Kristoph was a voting member of the bar association AND in comfort of giving Drew Misham 100,000 bucks for the forgery, you could say he was already wealthy and successful enough to not care for such formalities. But he was twisted enough unfortunately

  • @blastthechaos6083

    @blastthechaos6083

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@debastiansebeste I think he just felt threatened by Wright since he was a rookie attorney who became famous without cheating like Kristoph did

  • @HerlockSholmesREAL
    @HerlockSholmesREAL Жыл бұрын

    Wow, everything was well done! Zak feels less of an ass now for some reason. Another video well down 👏 Also the objection overruled line is awesome

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, given how big of an ass Zak canonically was, every change to his character is bound to make him seem better 😂

  • @Michael_Irohazaka
    @Michael_Irohazaka Жыл бұрын

    Quite a logicial story as always. Though, I'm surprised that both Zak Gramarye and the judge were more inclined to act during the trial. Zak by revealing the page which gives the real evidence and motive behind the scenes, and the judge who overuled some crucial objections. Now, seeing how Kristoph ends here, i wonder 2 things: 1: does he have some psyche-locks incoming? 2: if Zak is his new target, what kind of outcome it would bring after? His death or Trucy's demise?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    1. I don't think so, this time he doesn't hate Zak and Wright because he thinks deep down that he's inferior to Wright as a lawyer. Now he hates Zak just because he destroyed his life by revealing his scheme. I doubt any psyche locks would need to appear now. 2. Honestly I have no idea, the best outcome would probably be if Kristoph was arrested before he killed Zak

  • @BlackAce5ds
    @BlackAce5ds Жыл бұрын

    That Objection overruled is tight man. I wished they did it in the ace attorney games

  • @anthonyaddo
    @anthonyaddo Жыл бұрын

    This is extravagantly well done. I don’t have anything more to say than that right now, but I needed to verbally appreciate the sheer quality of this piece. Okay, now I have things to say. It makes me wonder if Phoenix’s disbarment was perhaps the best thing that ever happened to him. I may be slightly messing up the timeline, but would he have ever adopted his daughter Trucy? Would he have met Apollo (and later Athena) - all such incredibly important people in his life? There are a few very important spoilery things that may have never happened too! Wow. Interesting.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Iirc Apollo was already planning to train under Wright until the latter got disbarred, which forced Apollo to join Kristoph's law office. So Apollo would have mostly probably joined Wright's office as planned either way. Same with Athena The main problems would be Zak being alive and Trucy being an Enigmar and never getting adopted by Phoenix. That would change everything drastically imho

  • @blastthechaos6083

    @blastthechaos6083

    Жыл бұрын

    Apollo was always gonna join Phoenix, the disbarrement just put a dent to that initially In fact, their relationship would be even better since Phoenix wouldn't have been his Hobo self and Apollo wouldn't suffer the pedestal break he got in Apollo Justice

  • @richietribe9487
    @richietribe9487 Жыл бұрын

    You rather not leave your daughter alone in this world? I call bullshit...

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I suppose the most unrealistic part of my vid was making Zak slightly more humane xD

  • @blastthechaos6083

    @blastthechaos6083

    Жыл бұрын

    TBF, he did it back then cause he was now a criminal on the run and it was safer to leave her behind that take her with him...plus I think he already knew Phoenix was gonna take her in since he told her she could trust him.

  • @richietribe9487

    @richietribe9487

    Жыл бұрын

    @@blastthechaos6083 Zak showed up at the borsh bowl club with the soul intent of ruining Phoenix' reputation AGAIN. Otherwise he wouldn't try cheating. And Phoenix was providing for Zak's own daughter. If Phoenix lost, Trucy would be forced to be the provider for both of them. Wow dad. Way to go

  • @blastthechaos6083

    @blastthechaos6083

    Жыл бұрын

    @@richietribe9487 Zak left her with the transferential Rights, which would booster her career making her earn much more money, so it's not like he would be leaving them in a worse situation than before (hell, as the following games show us, she earns more money than all three layers that work in the Wright Anything Agency combined), plus I think he just assumed Phoenix could find another job or smt. And as to ruin his reputation...I mean, the dude IS a cheater at Poker, no ifs and or buts about that, even Phoenix admits that it's only because Trucy he stayed undefeated for so long, which Zak easily saw through, maybe cheating back isn't the "Clean" way but the trial about Zak's death show us sometimes you gotta cheat back.

  • @richietribe9487

    @richietribe9487

    Жыл бұрын

    @@blastthechaos6083 Regardless. Nobody should make their 14 yo a breadwinner for two. Even Trucy said she still went to high school

  • @darkacadpresenceinblood
    @darkacadpresenceinblood Жыл бұрын

    satisfying to see Kristoph fail in yet another way. such a good timeline for nearly everyone (well, except Trucy still has Zak as her dad which i'm not too sure about but here he seems like a more decent person so it's probably fine). great vid as always!

  • @Daetsu125
    @Daetsu125 Жыл бұрын

    Kristoph was doomed from the beginning Anyways your videos are great, I love em ❤

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you do 🙏

  • @eclipsethezorua1905
    @eclipsethezorua1905 Жыл бұрын

    Honestly, I thought he was going to commit suicide with the poison.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Nah, he can't leave until he has destroyed Zak's life first :p

  • @BlackAce5ds
    @BlackAce5ds Жыл бұрын

    At least he's not blaming Wright.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Well tbf, this time Zak didn't choose Wright over Gavin from the get go, which is probably why Gavin aimed the entirety of his hatred on Zak

  • @VolcanonX
    @VolcanonX Жыл бұрын

    Mhmm! Phoenix would still have his badge, which would be quite interesting since he'd also might still have to take care of Trucy? He would have his hands tied with his job and the kid. Overall, great video!

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it Volcanon 😁

  • @anthonydeadman

    @anthonydeadman

    Жыл бұрын

    Well no he wouldn't have to cause in this timeline, he managed to get Zak a NOT GUILTY verdict. Thus his client had no reason to pull a disappearing act in front of the courtroom and instead was a free man able to continue to take care of Trucy himself.

  • @jimivainikainen2924
    @jimivainikainen2924 Жыл бұрын

    Oh my god Kristoph just cant have a good life whatever happens in that case...

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, at least he didn't commit any murder and didn't go to prison (yet) unlike his canonical fate :p

  • @GgrimrodD
    @GgrimrodD Жыл бұрын

    I would love to see an alternate story with this plot, it's incredibly well done!

  • @Qweras85
    @Qweras85 Жыл бұрын

    That was interesting yet thoroughly entertaining.

  • @razorratproductions3499
    @razorratproductions3499 Жыл бұрын

    Portsman can take on Kristoph. He'd put up a good fight... I think, lol. Anyhow, this was a noice video, although I kind of fear for Trucy's life now. :/ Again, great vid!

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    I doubt poor Portsman would be able to beat Kristoph in mind games, given how he committed a single murder and managed to get arrested a couple hours later, while also exposing his entire organisation 😂 But he'd probably make a good bodyguard for Trucy xD Glad you liked it bro 🤜🤛

  • @Ryu_Naru
    @Ryu_Naru Жыл бұрын

    Kristoph's hated in every universe i see

  • @cartoonfan9million468
    @cartoonfan9million468 Жыл бұрын

    Well if Kristoph kills Zak Gramarye and he gets caught and arrested for his murder in this alternate timeline, I imagine that he would have a very clear motive for murder this time unlike in the Apollo Justice Game where he could have gotten away with plausible deniability if it weren't for Phoenix Wright making the Jury relevant again. And I don't think the Judge will let Kristoph off easy this time unlike in the Apollo Justice Game. If Kristoph were to be convicted of Zak Gramarye's murder, I imagine it might go like something like this. The Judge: That's enough, I see no reason to further prolong this trial. Kristoph Gavin, Your motive is very clear. You murdered Zak Gramarye because he got you disbarred when you tried to forge evidence to win a case. This court hereby finds you guilty. Prosecutor Klavier Gavin: You break my heart brother, to think that the day I would have to prosecute you would ever have to come. I had hoped that this day would have never come. Not only were you going to cheat against me by trying to get a not guilty verdict with fake evidence in our first court debut, but you also murder the same man who got you rightfully disbarred instead of accepting responsibility that you requested the forgery and repenting for it. I never wanted to imagine that you forging evidence was true, and you murdering the same man who ousted you as forging evidence is something I wanted to imagine even less. Because of both of your sins and their types, both back then and now, you really don't belong in the courtroom not back then and not now. I loved you Kristoph because you were my brother, but I cannot save you anymore. Goodbye brother.

  • @user-bu3xt6mj4s
    @user-bu3xt6mj4s Жыл бұрын

    I'm so invested in what'll happen next! Can't wait for a potential sequel!

  • @neptunedaplanet49244
    @neptunedaplanet49244 Жыл бұрын

    And thus Kristoph murdered Zak and Phoenix had to prove him guilty. Alt universe of AJ prob taking place several year prior since Zak didn’t have to disappear.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, to be fair proving Gavin guilty would be a prosecutor's job, like Klavier's Now imagine that xD

  • @neptunedaplanet49244

    @neptunedaplanet49244

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste True. But my point was that Phoenix would defend whoever was indicted for the crime.

  • @diesakuma367
    @diesakuma367 Жыл бұрын

    Brilliant work my friend This is 4 times better than actual AJ They should have went with your idea and then the game would be redeemable

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    I believe the game would have vastly improved if they had simply written Zak Gramarye to be a slightly more realistic and sensible person

  • @punprincess3214
    @punprincess32143 ай бұрын

    I can still see how Phoenix would adopt trucy in this situation once Kristoph murdered Zak in this timeline, after the death of his client, Phoenix would immediately go to the scene to find out what happened and of course Trucy would be there, probably being consoled by police and he'd take her in to protect her.

  • @jokodihaynes419
    @jokodihaynes419 Жыл бұрын

    kristoph gavin a sad excuse for a lawyer and the starter of the dark age of the law

  • @blastthechaos6083
    @blastthechaos6083 Жыл бұрын

    I wonder if Zak is suddenly gonna drop dead and Trucy is gonna grow up as a corrupt defense attorney....won't that be wacky? Who would even do that?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Enter Trucy Enigmar: Ace Attorney Lmao let the AUs expand even more

  • @blastthechaos6083

    @blastthechaos6083

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste wouldn't it be Trucy Gavin:Ace Attorney in this instance?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    @@blastthechaos6083 oh you mean if Kristoph adopted her!? Now I get it, omg Trucy Gavin, damn that would make an interesting AU, you're onto something here

  • @AlguienCualquieraDelMundo

    @AlguienCualquieraDelMundo

    Жыл бұрын

    A really dark one indeed, Kristoph would pull out a Von Karma revenge and she would become as evil as Mr Reus but with the coldness of Gavin. Interesting timeline with potential truly

  • @lpfan4491

    @lpfan4491

    2 ай бұрын

    Procecutors she wipes the floor with:"Wat? That's the most shady lawering I have ever seen and it comes from a 10 year old girl. Am I high?"

  • @KalavinkaK
    @KalavinkaK Жыл бұрын

    This is amazing!! Your work is gripping from start to finish as always, Debastian. It's got me thinking about what would be different. Phoenix continues his career as normal, and Klavier... I wonder what kind of person he'll turn out to be now.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Klavier is an interesting topic. Iirc he had given up on being a prosecutor for some years before he met Apollo because of what happened with Wright's disbarment. Now that it's his brother getting disbarred I can't imagine what he'd do in return tbh, but he'd probably either continue as a prosecutor biased against defense attorneys because of his brother, or he'd quit. Or something like that

  • @blastthechaos6083

    @blastthechaos6083

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@debastiansebeste Nah, even after his brother was discovered to be a murder he still went on to be a Prosecutor and held no contempt to Apollo for that. Like, it would bother him, but he would probably power through it like all the trauma he got in AJ and wouldn't hold grudges against others for that, Klavier is cool like that

  • @Sjivje
    @Sjivje Жыл бұрын

    You're SO great at this omfg.

  • @bbros9423
    @bbros9423 Жыл бұрын

    God all of these posts are so GOOD. Props yet again

  • @godzillayaz
    @godzillayaz Жыл бұрын

    Good god. Divergence RULES here! And it looks like Kristoph is doomed to repeat history, one way or another lol. Awesome stuff! I might make my own stuff like this like you do! It can take hours tho, right?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Hours at best. Usually days. And it depends on getting in the mood and finding inspiration. But it is worth it so go for it, mate 💪

  • @godzillayaz

    @godzillayaz

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste I'll think about it after University Exams. Would mostly focus on stuff about Sebastian Debeste tho ngl who knows XD

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@godzillayaz understandable. Good luck on your exams, mate 💪

  • @godzillayaz

    @godzillayaz

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste Ty man best of luck in the military servics

  • @youtubechicken120
    @youtubechicken1206 ай бұрын

    I love how kristoph is constantly like angry asf but just going ^_^ anyway

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    6 ай бұрын

    He's a professional 😈

  • @Kirbyx1410
    @Kirbyx14104 сағат бұрын

    "So... Everything was leading of this... Of course... ... Gramarye... Gramarye... GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    4 сағат бұрын

    @@Kirbyx1410 even better, due to Zak's bs it's more like "so... Nothing was leading to this..."

  • @anika_borromeo
    @anika_borromeo8 ай бұрын

    AYOOOOO I found this channel a few days ago and I just wanted to say how much I love your Objection lols!!!! They're so well-made and WOOOO I can't wait to watch all of them!!! 🙌🙌

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    8 ай бұрын

    Glad to hear that, welcome aboard 😁

  • @thevideogamemaster8173
    @thevideogamemaster8173 Жыл бұрын

    First comes the pride... Then comes the fall... Kristoph Gavin in a nutshell

  • @joshuawillis602
    @joshuawillis602 Жыл бұрын

    Zak is possibly the most nonsensical character in the franchise. Almost every action he did made zero sense. He hides evidence that could save him. He abandons his daughter for no reason. He became extremely violent towards the woman he hired to help him cheat. Basically Zak’s character was one big question mark. It’s like he didn’t know what kind of dude he was.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Honestly Zak was like "my sole existence is to ensure that Wright gets disbarred and stays disbarred" :p

  • @kristiansmith7737
    @kristiansmith77379 ай бұрын

    I LOVE this what-if scenario!!!!!! I can actually see this taking place in the cannon. I wish this had happened instead if it happing to Phoneix. I'm concerned what the consequences could be for Zak and what Kristoph has instate for him

  • @MetalizedSoul
    @MetalizedSoul Жыл бұрын

    Now i can imagine him and Roger Retinz teaming up against Zak Gramarye

  • @Just_Daze
    @Just_Daze Жыл бұрын

    I hope this gets a sequel, this looks like an interesting scenario that could be explored for sure!

  • @BlackAce5ds
    @BlackAce5ds Жыл бұрын

    I think he still kinda of an ass. He had been honest from the start and presented that page, Kristoph wouldn't even have needed to forge evidence

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely true. Zak's actions were completely unjustifiable, it's as if he didn't want anyone to know Magnifi gave him the magic rights, for some odd reason

  • @jameslegends0920
    @jameslegends0920 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome Video! I do hope for a part 2 someday.

  • @hyudura8559
    @hyudura85598 ай бұрын

    I love your videos so much

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    8 ай бұрын

    Glad to hear that :D

  • @DanielDippi
    @DanielDippiКүн бұрын

    8:45 it’s funny to me how Kristoph goes into someone’s house and shouts “objection”

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Күн бұрын

    If you check more of my videos you'll notice that I've implemented the objections and hold its as normal parts of the characters' daily speech xD

  • @EagleEye6486
    @EagleEye64862 ай бұрын

    That ending made Kristoph sound like Shelly de Killer 😱

  • @gaalxystar1873
    @gaalxystar1873 Жыл бұрын

    Zak is the reason why Apollo Justice exist...

  • @mathguy3451
    @mathguy3451 Жыл бұрын

    I had an idea for a new video: The trial of IS-7 with Gregory Edgeworth. This probably will be pretty long so, (if you feel like it) work on this with any spare time you have. ( This would be greatly appreciated ) Thank you.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    I haven't forgotten about this idea, don't worry 😅

  • @MCMIVC
    @MCMIVC Жыл бұрын

    No matter the timeline, Kristoph is fucking Vile...

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Damn right, but he always gets what he deserves :p

  • @ArlesesposadeKinji
    @ArlesesposadeKinji Жыл бұрын

    This is art

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you 😁

  • @connordanielson8833
    @connordanielson8833 Жыл бұрын

    Interesting idea and i love the way you executed it. Love it. ❤

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad you do, mate 😁

  • @ChetManley1
    @ChetManley1Ай бұрын

    Why do I get the nasty feeling that if this AU were to continue, Zak would end up dead and Trucy would be framed as the killer? I mean it's either that or Valant, but I think that Kristoph is vindictive, petty, and cruel enough to frame her because "Wouldn't want to leave your daughter alone in this world, now would we?"

  • @remiss6355
    @remiss635518 күн бұрын

    Afterwards, Roger Retinz hires Kristoph to be his sexy assistant, and 7 years later they attempt a double-homicide-frameup on the father-daughter magician duo. The two are unexpectedly stopped by a spirit channeled Magnifi Gramarye, and Phoenix's mom.

  • @LordOfGilneas
    @LordOfGilneas4 ай бұрын

    Y'know I just realized this timeline could end even worse.. *considering it's likely trucy will Wind up being framed or killed alongside her dad in Kristoph's pursuit of VENGEANCE.* My my, Not Debeste Outcome for anyone is it?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    4 ай бұрын

    Yep. Hence why I didn't continue it 😅

  • @jakubrejak1114
    @jakubrejak1114 Жыл бұрын

    I've been thinking about this, and you seem to be perfectly articulating and express my thoughts! Bravo!

  • @MinorLife10
    @MinorLife10 Жыл бұрын

    4:58 This is the coolest Judge's line I've ever heard

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    The judgey can be cool too if he decides to put some backbone 😁

  • @Sophie.St.2004
    @Sophie.St.2004 Жыл бұрын

    Wow what for a Masterpiece of a Video. Keep up this great and wonderful Work.👏🏻

  • @rudysarmiento8700
    @rudysarmiento8700 Жыл бұрын

    Is there going to a Part 2? If not I guess let's make a community made continuation. For me klaiver soon talk to phoinex and Edgeworth and review what is going on with Kristoph, then after some talk klaiver decides to join Edgeworth to search for the truth after being lied to by his brother. Soon enough he's a member of Edgeworth's agency and after some early trials he began to see ways he can find the truth and soon enough became a great prosecutor. Anyone else wants to tell their version be free to do it in the replies

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Hmm, wouldn't it make more sense though, if Klavier joined Edgeworth since he's a prosecutor? (like how INVESTIGATIONS 2 SPOILERS . . . . like how Sebastian Debeste became Edgeworth's trainee in the end)

  • @rudysarmiento8700

    @rudysarmiento8700

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste sure makes sense I guess you can say he talk to both phoinex and Edgeworth as one is the man who he see battling for the truth and the other the chief prosecutor. Joining Edgeworth's agency's great for all people expect Kristoph but that's besides the point. So I say this is pretty nice ending for klaiver I also change the comment to Edgeworth instead of phoinex.

  • @darkacadpresenceinblood

    @darkacadpresenceinblood

    Жыл бұрын

    Klavier+Edgeworth would be a really nice duo... both from a more professional standpoint since Edgeworth is an excellent prosecutor and could be a mentor to Klavier, and also in a more personal way... let's just say Miles knows better than anyone what it's like to realize someone you looked up to is not who you thought they were.

  • @rudysarmiento8700

    @rudysarmiento8700

    Жыл бұрын

    @@darkacadpresenceinblood yep von karma flash backs

  • @blastthechaos6083

    @blastthechaos6083

    Жыл бұрын

    I feel that's redundant since Klavier was always an honest prosecutor who was always searching for the truth regardless if he loses or not. I think that makes him stand out of every other Prosecutor who needs guidance to that path, Klavier reached it out on his own and it contrasts with his brother who only cares about winning and fame.

  • @sirwysocks
    @sirwysocks9 ай бұрын

    kristoph got bullied too much😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Zpixi09
    @Zpixi095 ай бұрын

    Choked on my spit when you used solider tf2 as Zak’s objection voice line

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    5 ай бұрын

    I was wondering where it's from but are we sure this is Soldier? I don't remember him ever saying Objection (Unless someone paid Rick May to do so back when he was still with us lol)

  • @Going.Creative._mode
    @Going.Creative._mode8 ай бұрын

    Coming back to this I really dont know why Zak makes these stupid decisions to begin with. Seems like he just likes to mess around with everyone. He just doesn't care 😭

  • @Kakaragi
    @Kakaragi10 ай бұрын

    1:12 and 4:38 I love how Zak’s “OBJECTION” sounds, along with the “OBJECTION OVERRULED!” 4:58

  • @local_kmart_connoisseur3736
    @local_kmart_connoisseur3736 Жыл бұрын

    And yet another great upload (also just found out you're Greek, which is an honour as a fellow Greek-Ace-Attorney-lover myself.) Ελπίζω να είσαι καλά, και κάθε ημέρα σου να είναι πιο ευχάριστη από την προηγούμενη. Καλή τύχη και υγειά!

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Λίγο δύσκολο αυτό τώρα που είμαι στρατό, αλλά σε ευχαριστώ για την υπέροχη ευχή, πατριώτη. Καλή τύχη και σε σένα 😁

  • @somedudefromapharmacy
    @somedudefromapharmacy9 ай бұрын

    Heh, the TF2 soldier voice quips were pretty funny. But that aside, this is a very well written “what-if” video. All the characters had dialogue that actually matches their personality unlike most other fan-made content by other youtubers.

  • @daydream2392
    @daydream239211 ай бұрын

    I wonder if something would bring a good ending for Kristoph. Even with aleternatives he got crazy. Great video tough. I'm always fascinated to get into his head 😁´

  • @SuperParkourio
    @SuperParkourioАй бұрын

    Judge: I will allow you and your brother to both take this case. I will even allow you to share your trump cards with each other in this series that does not even have discovery. But you cannot object to the accusations against your brother. That would obviously be a conflict of interest.

  • @user-bu3xt6mj4s
    @user-bu3xt6mj4s9 ай бұрын

    I want Kristoph to win next time, I want to see what happens.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    9 ай бұрын

    Well he won for seven years in canon :p

  • @jokodihaynes419
    @jokodihaynes419 Жыл бұрын

    on mlp ace attorney EOJ case 2 phoenix wright talks about him to Athena

  • @BlackAce5ds
    @BlackAce5ds Жыл бұрын

    Say ever consider a video of a what if Phoenix doesn't present the forged evidence or finds someway to turn things around and present the possibility of Magnifi death being a suicide?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, my pal Razor Rat has done a version of Phoenix not presenting the forged evidence that I found quite satisfying to be honest. Here it is: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mpqI0tGEotCcmqQ.html

  • @sledgehog1
    @sledgehog1 Жыл бұрын

    Bro it was fantastic!! If you ever start a Patreon you can count me in!

  • @acejosephcross
    @acejosephcross Жыл бұрын

    Well, Zak is royally screwed now! Can't help but feel worried for Trucy though. Who knows what Kristoph could come up with...?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    The future's full of possibilities and suddenly none seems all too positive for the poor Enigmars :/

  • @candicoated2001
    @candicoated2001 Жыл бұрын

    Wait does this mean Kristoph ends up with Trucy in the aftermath of the trial?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Nope, Trucy is still with her real dad since Zak Gramarye was found innocent and never disappeared. We don't know if Kristoph killed him or not in this version :p

  • @anthonydeadman
    @anthonydeadman Жыл бұрын

    Hmmm...what if current timeline Trucy somehow went back in time to this timeline where Phoenix never became her adopted dad?

  • @somedude6522
    @somedude65222 ай бұрын

    1 game of fucking poker

  • @viciosgamer6930
    @viciosgamer69303 ай бұрын

    You know, i felt for 2 seconds that Kristoph might have had a change of heart, or at least was going to try to escape his problems and not hurt more people, immediately followed by death threats to Zak.

  • @jokodihaynes419
    @jokodihaynes419 Жыл бұрын

    my girlfriend's father did the same thing as zak gramarye we played poker i lost he said you have permission to date my daughter at first i didn't understand was the purpose but now do i understand

  • @itzwaluigitime8678
    @itzwaluigitime8678 Жыл бұрын

    Waaaait wait wait so where does that bring us ? Kristoph murders Zak 7 years later. But Phoenix never lost his badge... The Misham case never happens either... What on Earth does that result in, in the end ? Maybe Kristoph's prepared a lot better to NOT be found guilty of Zak's murder- WAIT NO, actually that trial never happens either. Or at least not with Apollo as the defense... Having lost his position, Gavin never hires Apollo. So then Phoenix hires him instead, by a turn of Fate ? BRO IF ZAK HADN'T FIRED GAVIN THERE WOULD BE NO APOLLO JUSTICE GAME, DUAL DESTINIES'D JUST HAVE TO HAPPEN DIRECTLY LMFAO

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    I imagine something like that would happen, you're probably on the right path 👌

  • @BillyBobJohn
    @BillyBobJohn Жыл бұрын

    Nice video! Well done! All characters are based on personas. And I would like to ask, where can I get these sprites from? thanks

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    I've written their codes in my video's description ;)

  • @SuperParkourio
    @SuperParkourioАй бұрын

    There seem to be a lot of these AUs where Phoenix never loses his badge because one person had one extra brain cell. I've heard even Capcom would rather we forget about this game. Come to think of it, at the beginning of Spirit of Justice, Phoenix claimed to have "more than 10 years of experience" as a lawyer. Sure ya do, buddy.

  • @klaus.sfc01official30
    @klaus.sfc01official306 ай бұрын

    Honestly serious comment now. This would be a wayyyy better intro as to why kristoph killed Zak

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    6 ай бұрын

    Kristoph would finally have a good reason for being a murderous douche xD

  • @user-kc9ch2lt4k
    @user-kc9ch2lt4k Жыл бұрын

    10:43 i thought Kristoph was going to kill klavier

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmao xD

  • @dahoomajaji8424
    @dahoomajaji8424 Жыл бұрын

    I like to play this video after kristoph insanity video specifically when he told Vera about the magic nail polish and after his monologue about proving how Phoenix was joke I played this video

  • @dahoomajaji8424

    @dahoomajaji8424

    Жыл бұрын

    I made a spelling error it was supposed to be after not before, sorry for the confusion

  • @apololo7360
    @apololo7360 Жыл бұрын

    Hmmmm... Maybe you should make more "theory" lols?

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah I intend to expand my "What If" category eventually. It's just that those vids are usually the hardest to write, so they take more time to pump out 😅

  • @nobbyfirefly57
    @nobbyfirefly576 ай бұрын

    Would love a part 2

  • @blastthechaos6083
    @blastthechaos6083 Жыл бұрын

    Actually, can you do one were Valant isn't an asshole and confess to his crime of tampering with the crime scene and that nobody killed anybody? I know by itself isn't much of a video, but maybe you can do it after the Time Skip so maybe Zak gets his name cleared and isn't snuffed out by Kristoph, then he helps clear off Phoenix name to make up for the mess he dragged him to.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean, even if Valant was good, nothing stops Zak from being an ass who leaves Phoenix in his fate as he originally did xD Nevertheless I'll think about it ;)

  • @raphaelst-hilaire3669
    @raphaelst-hilaire36697 ай бұрын

    now do the trial but kristoph gavin as the hand too heavy on forged evidence because zak hide them all on him have all the true evidence on him do be found not guilty and proof the suicide but chose to just say no i want to be guilty

  • @Miranha-SupremoV17
    @Miranha-SupremoV176 ай бұрын

    Destroy Your Live what Kristoph was Planned to Zak Gramarye in this alternative time............ oh my god, that Madman! ............ R.I.P .....

  • @JoseAntonio-qu8nk
    @JoseAntonio-qu8nk Жыл бұрын

    Great video.

  • @Striker729-ei8gc
    @Striker729-ei8gc2 ай бұрын

    Excuse me, Mr. Sebeste. A subscriber of mine gave me an idea about asking permission to make a translation of this video into Spanish or a video inspired by it on my channel. What do you think?. If you say no, I'll understand.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    2 ай бұрын

    Generally I prefer to have viewers come directly to my channel and comment their opinions under my own vids. However, I do accept subtitle files to add to my videos, as others have done before by offering me subtitles in Russian and French

  • @beepman5593
    @beepman5593 Жыл бұрын

    now Im curious about........... SPOILERS FROM AAI2: if Horace Knightley wasnt murdered how would the trial of his would've went Raymond Shields his Defense Attorney against....Prosecutor Miles Edgeworth who Raymond probly still thinks hes a traitor and much like Manfred oh boy....now despite I love Raymond bein a Uncle type but Im pretty sure Raymond goin against Miles in court he probly gonna be less make jokes and takes it a bit serious

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    True. Ray would probably spam his serious sprite all the time during that trial. But I imagine that if Knightley didn't die, a huge catalyst to advance Ray and Miles' friendship would be lost. I dunno how their relationship would be able to improve from that point on, but it does sound like an interesting version 🤔

  • @beepman5593

    @beepman5593

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste and also would be a good video about it

  • @scintilla-ex-inanis1312
    @scintilla-ex-inanis1312 Жыл бұрын

    Spoilers for TGAA2. Just some ideas. I love how you portray Kristoph's twisted mindset. Especially in "Kristoph Gavin's Descent to Insanity". Maybe you can add something like Kazuma's thoughts before and during his confrontation with Gregson on the SS Barrablock. Or maybe emphasizing Lord Stronghart's mindset and his actions during the Professor Killings era and/or during the present time when Ryuunosuke arrived in Britain. Either way, keep up the good work.

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm currently at case 1 of TGAA2 so I'll avoid reading your comment until I've finished the game 😔 But I definitely will read it when I'm done because I'm always open to ideas 😁

  • @scintilla-ex-inanis1312

    @scintilla-ex-inanis1312

    Жыл бұрын

    @@debastiansebeste Noted 👍. Thanks.

  • @BlackAce5ds
    @BlackAce5ds Жыл бұрын

    Maybe next on the agenda you could do a video of Kristoph's confrontation with Zak in Turnabout Trump before he killed him

  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm afraid that wouldn't work because Kristoph snuck up on Zak and hit him with the bottle. There was probably no dialogue (because if it did there was the chance that Zak would fight back :/)

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    @catnt8926 Жыл бұрын

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  • @debastiansebeste

    @debastiansebeste

    Жыл бұрын

    LMAO I regret pressing See More xD