FYI when I say "shorten the wavelength" I mean to say "shorten the waveform length" ie Shorten the decay/sustain. Nothing to do with frequency or pitch, it's time based. For whatever reason wavelength is specifically dictated for frequency and pitch.. Just call it fucking pitchlength then!! (autism rant 🤣) And also a very important thing to add. Deboom isnt reducing the sustain of the entire source, just the low end sustain which is where the highest energy of the sustain lives .. That's all Im aloud to tell you about it but there's also the tail function in kickshaper which allows you to control the upper sustain if recall correctly (just watch the kickshaper video on my channel) Also Remember to listen to this on headphones or full range speakers so you can really hear how the low end masks the midrange

@robbiemichaels2347

3 ай бұрын

Just about to view now Paul

@1337murk

3 ай бұрын

Great video, Paul

@bartvanmeulebroeck5002

3 ай бұрын

Indeed, difference is night and day (listened with headphones and SubpacS2)! Great video!

@jamesbarels469

3 ай бұрын

How do you listen without speakers?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Proper full range speakers

Thank you Paul. Great video🙌

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Even as a guitar player I find training my muscle memory to prevent the low end notes from ringing out too much and as long as the mid/highs is essential for a more musical and coherent performance especially on recordings. Spot on, Paul, another gem, cheers.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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@jorgepeterbarton

3 ай бұрын

one could also tune and dampen their drums properly! if its an acoustic kick. that's basically the most important thing of recording drums. although i say dampen - if its anything but minimal on snare i may🤮as you may as well record a cardbox box for that kind of overdampened sound.

@nedim_guitar

3 ай бұрын

Push the high shelf on the guitars with upwards 10 dB. Chris Lord Alge do that. Henning Pauly (eytschpi42 on KZread) started doing that and his mixes sound better. He told Glenn Fricker, who also tired it and his mixes sound better. That's probably not the only variable, but definitely something we should all try for ourselves.

@nedim_guitar

3 ай бұрын

​@@jorgepeterbarton Dampened snares ruin it for me. I think The Smashing Pumpkins album Oceania is fine, but the sound of the snare on that album makes it almost unlistenable to me, despite the songs being pretty good.

Such a simple, but surely an eye-, or should I say, ear-opening concept. Thanks for consistent 'no bullshit' approach, you never cease to amaze, Paul!

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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👍👍 Excellent examples. The one at the end was so stark I could hear it over my laptop speakers even!

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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That's amazing - Thanks, I really learned something here.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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I am mixing for quite a few years and watched loads of videos about the low end. Bought also many plugins which didn't really solve the issue, sometimes made it even worse. First I wasn't falling (previous videos) for the promo of Kick Shaper but the audio samples convinced me. I gave it a shot and it is night and day difference. Like you shared last year, better to invest in great tool (this is btw a small investment since it is still 16 USD!) than buying another emulation plugin. Thanks a lot Paul! I am watching your videos from quite from the moment you started at KZread. Thank you so much for all the great content you made and hopefully you will create in the future!

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Paul, this is so informative and clear - a real lightbulb moment for me. It is a very good way of thinking about the horizontal effect of too much bass, instead of the vertical assumption that you need to compress the bass more or turn it down. Such a great way to get clarity in the mix and retain a nice, deep soundstage - now i get why top mixes sound good with a satisfying clarity. Thankyou!

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, it was a complete eye opener for me. When you finally begin to hear it properly it's a full on light bulb moment cause you start to even hear the sustain issue on a few big releases and then go spike or serban and you never hear the issue Happened even today. "all these things that I've done" from the killers came on the car radio followed by a Keane song from Spike Stent and the difference was immediate. Killers midrange is fighting against the sustain of the bass the whole time where the Keane mix is well controlled and allows the midrange to breathe and hold its place. Low end never sounded overbaring. Just had the right balance

@MACEASY2

3 ай бұрын

Yes, I am going to listen much more keenly for this effect from now on.

Love this. MAKes loads of sense. Can’t wait to try it. I’ve got waves smack attack

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Kickshaper is only like £16. Worth it for just deboom alone as it does more than a transient designer. Works differently

Thanks mate, another game changer from you for me❤️

@PaulThird

2 ай бұрын

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Not all heroes wear capes. Thank you for this cool tip, Paul. I'm working on a project with an artist and most of the songs are bass heavy and busy. This helps a ton 🔥

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Well explained. ✊🏾

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Paul III of Kirkintilloch, third of his name, always dishing out the gold nuggets. Just popped over to WA's demo of kickshaper and damn those 808s! Thanks Paul, great video 👊👊👊

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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I think I kinda figured this out intuitively, always good to have it laid out and made conscious like this 🎯

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Very good video buddy thanks for sharing. Yeah, midrange was a king once. The new king is now Lowend due to computer based genres are very popular :D And believe or not, A good midrange and clarity starts from the very bottom, from infrasonic frequencies. Fix the lowend and you'll have better midrange and highs and you won't have to push your limiter as much as you do with bad lowend control. The magic is in the lowend not midrange.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

The man who taught me it 🤜🤛

Wow once you hear it u cant unhear it,, amazin advice my dude 🤘

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Crazy , with kickshaper deboom on the busy Mix i can hear the night and day , even on my Phone speaker night n day Thx for the Tip , i wonderd exact about this Thing earlyer today

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Oooh man great points made in this video. This topic truly doesn't get enough attention. Thanks Paul! PS: I just did a mixbus compressor shootout of about 32 different compressors (several popular, beloved ones in there) on a rap song with heavy kick drum and thick synth bass. I looped a very short portion of the song (less than a bar) and set all the compressors up with the outputs exactly matched, then shot them 1 by 1, deleting the loser from the chain. To my surprise, Analog Obsession Specomp was the last man standing, blew them all out of the water. The way it handles/enhances transients and low end while leaving the high end open/unchoked was phenomenal. I'd love to hear your opinion on this plugin.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Just as I go back to not using 2bus compression haha

Great video 🎉

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Very cool timing. I was struggling this week with clarity in the mix of a record I’m working on. Groove oriented jazz where the bass guitar is playing multiple rolls within the overall texture. When I set the bass guitar at a level that felt like a good balance of low end and sustain, it made the mix muddy. I tried various approaches with compression on the instrument and mix bus level, parallel processing, adjusting the instrument’s stereo width and side-chaining the bass guitar to the other instruments within dynamic eq. Nothing solved the issue without creating new issues. I ended up pretty aggressively compressing the bass guitar’s sustain and making up for the loss of low end by rolling back the high pass on the keys which also had a lot of low end sustain. On some playback systems this sounds fine, but on others the sustain of the bass guitar’s fundamental is conspicuously low in the mix. I’m excited to try this approach to see if, in combo with some of the other solutions, I can get the mix to a better place. Thank you!

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Huge difference❤

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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I actually went and purchased this plugin from your recommendation, Paul. For the low price I had to give it an honest try and support some independent devs. I kind of like it so far, HOWEVER, (and this applies to some newer plugins as well), it seems to me like a lot of these newer, highly specialized plugins are taking the art and know-how out of audio engineering; automating the process too much. So many great records were produced before these types of plugins came along and engineers had to find ways of dealing with low end issues using the tools of the day - analog EQ, gates, compressors, tape saturation, etc. I feel as if some plugin devs are selling you a solution to a problem you didn't even know you had. I really didnt have an issue managing my low end, getting loud mixes, etc. I guess if you havent been able to consistantly work in the industry as long as I have (over 30 years) and, by trial and error, attempt to solve these issues over time, I cant blame anyone for wanting to take a bit of a short cut.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Wasn't made by a dev though, was made by a well established mix and mastering engineer (WA productions are simply distributing it) but I get your point. Emrah made kickshaper to make your workflow quicker as what's in kickshaper took him a lot of plugins and engineering know how. Yes it takes away the experience but it's been a life safer for me. After getting this I sold my dbx subsynth and stopped my transient split eq trick. And on bass the deboom works better than any transient designer because it's doing a lot more but what I like is that Emrah is giving you all the tools, but doing so to force you to use your ears

Interesting advice. It's true, what you suggest. But the mix is still not transparent enough, if this is your intention. For example, the left cymbal covers too much of the upper midrange (volume and frequency). Here is another tipp how to tame the bass frequencies: I use Melodyne for this. In Melodyne you have access to every single harmonic of an audio file. Simply lower the root a tiny bit and cut all harmonics below the root note. That's all! It's totally different from eqing.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

I focused solely on the biggest issues I heard from V1 and then it's up to the client whether they think the changes I made are worth accepting or need more work. I try my best not to completely over critique minor details

Think of this in arranging as well. Either the kick or bass will be playing more notes than the other ..so carve the less notey one with more low end . If the tempo is high carve them both to have less low end. You can also use mutes on the bass bridge.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Thanks, another gem. Wavelength is the inverse of frequency. I like envelope tail. Bassists especially should record themselves to listen out for mud, ringing strings, and lack of articulation.

@jorgepeterbarton

3 ай бұрын

yeh I was going to say..."shortening the wavelength", so he means raising the pitch...? well no? then he meant shortening the sustain, decay or whatever.

@mageprometheus

3 ай бұрын

@@jorgepeterbarton You could say 'wave length' and kind of get away with it 😀

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Tbh I don't actually know why wavelength is categorised like that. In my opinion it should be classed as pitchlength as it would be more accurate as in theory you genuinely are shortening the length of the waveform by shortening the sustain. Wavelength is just an odd terminology to me but I'm autistic so I tend to sway more towards what makes more sense from a literal point of view on occasion

@mageprometheus

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird It's just us maths and physics geeks pulling your leg. I love your channel and your videos. Keep going my friend, you are so good 💜

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

But now it annoys me when I watch it back cause I said it so much 🤣🤣

Have you tried the free plugin transpire from sonic anomaly? I have just used it sparingly but I am wondering if maybe it can do the same thing you are taking about here with the kick shaper.

Great vid!! As per usual. How does kick shaper differ from a multiband compressor?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Cause its not a multi band compressor for a start haha

@loutang82

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Agreed. I'm asking how it's different because you can control sustain and release on the lower frequency bands of a multi-band. More succinctly, is kick shaper only for a fixed spectrum?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

There's a lot going on behind the scenes. I know what deboom is doing but I'm not aloud to tell anyone. Watch the video emrah made for my channel explaining itbin a lot of detail and you'll find out exactly what makes it different. It's a life saver for me. Sold my dbx subsynth and stopped doing my split eq transient clip trick. All I can say is that deboom is not a transient shaper

I got the Kick Shaper during their Valentine's Day promotion . . .& . . . I Love it . . . ! . . . :'-) (-;

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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hello Paul thank you for your insight. This video is enlighten me about the sustain control. I hear this video on my laptop and when you use deboom process, the kick lose the "translation" on small speaker. do you think to use more saturation after deboom can get the "translation" back?

@PaulThird

2 ай бұрын

Depends what you mean by translation. You have to be more specific as the kick doesn't have that much deboom on it. What is it exactly that's not translating

@kevinleonardo1456

2 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird sorry i mean it can't be heard on small speaker. usually we need some saturation to make perceived low end heard in small speaker. i hear that deboom shorten the kick's sustain thus making kick not heard in small speaker.

@PaulThird

2 ай бұрын

But it's not shortening the upper frequency sustain, only the low end sustain. So that doesn't make any sense. It's mainly the boom of the bass that's being removed so the kick actually has more space. I hear the kick as more defined and snappy on laptop and phone speakers in comparison

7 to 8 years now using elysia nvelope plugin just to reduce sustain on low end element now switched to Hofa IQ-Transient that can do more of it. Figured that transient designer plugin is more useful for reducing sustain on stuff rather than boosting either sustain or transient, we have compressors for that. Yeah, reducing the sustain on the overhead and room mic can do wonderful thing before you smash it to death with compressor.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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I've shaping bass and 808 sustain for a long time with a distressor.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Hello: Out of all the "before and after" demonstrations, I felt that the last mix, which plays around @12:27 was just a little too thinned out for me. I listened quietly and at a loud level as well, and yes I have good monitoring. Points are well taken, Paul. Through the years, I've found that playing my mixes to my fellows is the best way for me to get feedback. Thanks.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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That's a good bit of advice there Paul, I have a few of those 'SoundSpot' plugins but I hear they're over? Any views on their plugins etc? Cheers dude.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Never heard of them

@MankyFrilla

3 ай бұрын

They where a cracking set of plugins for a double black Friday price.. I've still got a few of them installed and they where good sound design tools at least, I'm feert to bum then up incsse you stick the poor things in yer plugin doctor and tell me they don't null and niquist isn't anywhere to be found? Just kidding Paul - Take am tae the doaktur dude.. don't speak the name of the almighty Dan or they'll burst into binary numbers.. 😁🤘🏼

Hi Paul! This plugin seems to solve what i'm struggling right now.. even though i used Multi-Bussing my mix with different comps + saturation..kinda like hybrid Brauerizing.. i still like the sound of controlled low end.. btw, is there any chance that i can replicate the DeBoom in Split EQ?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

No, split eq is only eq for the attack and sustain, it's not a transient designer. Watch the video on my channel where emrah goes in depth about it

Hey Paul, I like the sound of kickshaper, the question then arises is there an equivalent for the bass guitar, ie a bass shaper? What do you use for that?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Just use kickshaper, turn everything else to 0 and just use deboom. That's what I do

@MACEASY2

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Thankyou, What a no brainer investment at $16!

The instrumental arrangement and the composition of the song are also important. It's ideal to not use instruments that fight each other too much.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah it's all relative

Share it Paul, and thank you! As time goes by, I'm trusting fewer & fewer "audio pros" on KZread. FWIW, you're on the shortlist of those whose advice always works out. Cheers.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Quality over quantity 🤜🤛

@russellszabadosaka5-pindin849

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird that's right! All the best my friend.

Yeah this is in the realms of tuning vocals and time aligning. I bought and learnt to play bass the same time as I learnt to produce and mix, and I can't imagine my understanding bass better any other way. You learn the sustain thing and when you must stick to the kick because frankly the track is so busy that the kick and bass most only come in together. Most of all you learn about consistency because the classic slow release la2a that brilliantly make bass more consistent also make the sustain louder. Super bloated sound if you like the sound of bass. So the bass and mixer thing fed back between eachother because I really got a more particular taste for how bass should sound. I wouldn't accept a bad bass. But you can be really expressive and even dynamic as well. Listen to something like Heart-shaped box. That's greatly contained but even more expressive bass that rides along or rather highlights the intensity of different parts of the arrangement.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that's why there is always a place for session bass players. Honestly the amount of hit records that have been ruined by too much sustain in the bass is pretty frightening. It's definitely something the single mixers listen out for and manipulate.

You turned up the bass to emphasize it? Definitely worked better but it was a hell of a lot of bass even with the plugin! 😎 Thanks for the video! It is good stuff!

@PaulThird

2 ай бұрын

No emphasis, genuinely just the amount of bass sustain that was in the recording

@ramspencer5492

2 ай бұрын

​​​​​​​@@PaulThirdlol. My bad! That was me! I had some pretty serious bass boost turned up on my walk around headphones that I use with my phone! The track actually has a very appropriate amount of base.. once you trimmed down the sustain. Pretty cool track too. Nice mix!

@ramspencer5492

2 ай бұрын

For using KickShaper on the instrument bus like that... What frequency range is it working on? So, it's only working on the Lows and not sneaking up too high into the low mids? So I get that it's super easy to use.... But does the plugin actually sound better than just using the transient designer? Or is it more of a workflow advantage only?

@PaulThird

2 ай бұрын

I'm not using it on the instrument bus. I'm using it solely on kick and bass. Deboom works on the sub sustain of the source and leaves the low mid and high sustain in tact (it's not a transient designer affect). The boom from low end comes from sub sustain and Emrah came up with a certain way of reducing it that differs from a multiband transient designer. Tail you imagine that a bit more like a subharmonic idea, calculating the fundamental but resonating the filter instead. Thump is dealing with just the low frequency sustain (not sub), click is dealing with just the attack of the high frequencies So see these 2 like a transient designer. thump sustain and click attack but it's the high frequencies triggering them so they never miss a transient. Its giving you the control that you don't get from a standard designer, and much more. His algorithms are specifically designed to work better. You could feed it rapid fire kicks and it'll catch every kick which many transient designers can fail at

Great video fella! Quick one, we know Jaycen cuts down the front of his 808’s by automating the trim tool. Do you think there’s any reason he’d use automation over reducing the attack on a transient designer? Maybe it’s just the fact that he can see the waveform?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah it's consistency. Manually he knows for sure that the kick is always in front of the 808. Important when you consider that it dictates most if not all of his headroom Best not to leave any room for error

@RicherPodcast

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThirdah of course, just guarantees that none of that unnecessary click from the attack stays in when it’s not needed Cheers pal

Unless I'm mistaken, the length of a sound wave, ie wavelength, refers to pitch. A sound wave with a frequency of 440 Hz has a wavelength of 0.77 meters .... Sustain is different.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

It's just terminology. If I had said waveform length instead of wavelength then it would mean the same thing in my context. I've never personally understood why wavelength specifically can only refer to pitch, should be called pitchlength instead of wavelength if that's the case haha. Make much more sense in my brain but my brain is extremely literal so that's no surprise 🤣

@Gguitarist1

3 ай бұрын

No worries. Absolutely no disrespect intended. Lov your channel. There is however specific scientifically accepted terminology to describe the physics of sound. Wavelength definition : "The distance between successive crests of a wave, especially points in a sound or electromagnetic wave." Wavelength refers to the physical length of a sound wave or any other type of wave. Not the length of 'time' a note(sound) sustains(lasts), or it's amplitude. The physically shorter the wave, the higher the pitch. The physically longer the wave, the lower the pitch. Physical length is not the same as the time a wave can sustain(repeat). I knew what you meant though, and your point is well taken.

Thanks Paul, so put the kickshaper on the bass track too? Or the bass/kick sum bus???

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Bass track and kick track. I take everything off the bass instance though and just use the deboom, sometimes use the depth, depends.

@monkmusic5994

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird thanks mate, will test it. Super tip! Maybe you also want to introduce Emre's Vocal shaper, equally useful. These 2 tools are Godgiven....

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

I used vocalshaper on this mix but just his air module. Replaced sugar from process audio for that purpose. In my premixing template I now go in with vocal shaper first and then do all of my ceilings of sound and compression

@monkmusic5994

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Me too. Vocalshaper is the first plugin in the vox chain. But Paul, the s- suppressor is brilliant, replacing at least one deesser in the chain. The two compressors and the leveler are top, too. This plugin is almost a gift...

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I used the de-esser in it as well forgot that. The technique behind that alone is worth the money

Can Kick Shaper be used on full drum loops? Or just kicks? What else can it be used on?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

I use it on kick, bass and toms

@tinkercitymusic

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Can it be used on a whole drum loop? Or is that not advised? My loops don't have the kit separated.

@dacidthorn

3 ай бұрын

Split the loop frequencies?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

You can give it a go, I've not personally tried it on a drum bus

Hey, Paul! How are you doing? All's well, I hope.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Health is a bit up shit creek but I'm making do best I can

@nedim_guitar

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Feel better soon!

Is Kick Shaper sold through PluginBoutique ?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yup, £16

@robbiemichaels2347

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Couldn't find it on PB so bought it directly from W.A. Great video

Drums don't sound 'real' somehow. Is that due to EQ, layering with samples, compression, or shortennig of sustain? Trying to learn here.

@PaulThird

2 ай бұрын

Client used a digital drum kit. No real drums

@inoma1423

2 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird Thanks for the reply Paul.

The cloud that is a bit of a vibe of underground is lifted and now it's like something mainstream... goes from KZread kids show to a Disney movie

@TheSakuraGumiLTD

3 ай бұрын

A song I did years ago that I loved had this problem... this was all it needed... only had the crappy MP3 of the master left so like that is stays lol

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I can't unhear it now in the car cause it's so subby. "All these things that I've done" by the killers came on the radio and I was like...damn theres that sustain issue, whole midrange is fighting, and then a Keane song mixed by Spike Stent came on right after and immediately I was like... And there's the issue gone. I'm gonna take a guess that the NS10 mixers have this issue 😜🤣

It means the waveform appears shorter in the region.

Midrange comes up here for sure, but the vocal sounds way more thin and it's losing its warmth. I guess the vocal itself has not changed, but with shorter low-end the vocal loses its body since the bass is not complimenting the vocal anymore. Anyway, interesting video and approach.

@mattymenck

3 ай бұрын

btw. long basses should have short kicks and the other way around.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Tbh it all depends on the track. Every track will be different. I've heard tons of big mixes where the bass is barely audible with it being so short as it's function isn't to support the vocal it's to get out the way. Its all contextual at the end of the day, as long as the client is happy haha

7:07 seems like this would be pretty good reasoning to invent multiband compression if you can't solo the bass

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Compression increases the sustain though. You would need to use something like oeksound spiff as its a multiband transient designer but the issue is that the bass and kick will occupy the same region so whatever you do to try and adjust the sustain of the bass, you will have a knock on affect with the kick. Its a dangerous thing to try and fix on a stereo mix. Thats why mastering engineers will just work with it as the fix can be so destructive and will probably never actually sort the whole issue. They'll just have to try and control the low end in whatever way they can and most likely have to back off the limiter cause if they don't the limiter will just push back and pump

@jorgepeterbarton

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird it doesn't with longer release times though. I recently rather sucessfully reduced it with a compressor on a bass recently. a trick of a rather long attack and enough release to match the note length. Gave it a lot more separation between notes, and a transient designer really didn't work, went into fluttery nonsense in a few i tried. perhaps because the person who recorded it used a slightly drive guitar amp plus 1176 pedal that really would increase sustain and the whole thing a bit squashed. It depends on the comp model. The stock DAW type is surgical enough, melda mcompressor in fact. hmm so i basically made a compressor act a bit like an expander here, except i don't really like expanders for a lot of things, partly the 'swell in' so your attack goes, i only use them if its a section that would need mellowing. Of course, if I was playing it, i may have just used fingers and done the left hand muting thing (kinda 'dub' technique ime) not sustained with a pick.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

I couldn't be bothered with all that experimentation in a mix tbh deboom knob, tailor sustain to taste, job done. Deboom isnt a transient designer, I'm not aloud to say what it does but it just always works for me and I don't even need to think about it. But that's on a single source, on an entire mix I have no idea how I would do the same fix

Fundamental video (the bass player said): It's all about attack and release.... and fingers.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I can always tell when it's a session player, just always has a tightness to the bass playing. Very controlled. I always see that as the difference between a guitarist playing bass compared to an actual bass player. Guitarist will focus on playing the notes where a sessioned bass player will focus on the groove and feel, they know when to act as a stable foundation and when to fill out an empty space, it's impressive to watch

@ErixSamson

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird absolutely

Doesn't shortening the wavelength mean increasing the frequency? I think you were shortening the sustain of your bass

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Dunno why but shortening the wavelength always makes sense to me in that specific context cause thats how I see it in my head but the term is mostly related to frequency and pitch but I'm that literal that I sometimes say wavelength instead of decay

This is completely dependent on the genre of music. If you’re making dubstep music for example, they pull up a clean sine wave, turn the sustain all the way up on the synth, and just make this wall of sustaining sub bass. That’s what makes the genre what it is. And a lot of pop music has that same level of EDM style sub bass in it.

@vincecrow4512

3 ай бұрын

You do have to mix with that in mind, and do your bus processing with that in mind, but just sayin, if you go and kill the sustain on the bass of an edm or synth heavy pop song, the client is not gonna like that at all.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah Depends on the production and context of the song. To get the insane lufs of genres like that I presume you would need to clip the fuck out the sub bass but they are normally pretty distorted anyway? However, a good point you made is that the sustain is still manually manipulated. It's just something to be aware of all round as its very dependent on the genre BUT regardless of whether they want the sustain, it still has to be thought out in regards to production and loudness. If you are gonna add it in you are gonna want to control it. Does EDM not normally use rapid fire kicks though which mean they have little to basically no sustain?

@vincecrow4512

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird it just depends on the genre of EDM. A lot of people now a days are using 2 separate synths for their bass. One is the sub bass and it’s just a full sustain, completely clean sine wave with pretty much nothing on it except maybe a low pass to cut out the tiny little clicks that will happen from time to time. And then the other layer is called the mid bass where they have a distorted bass synth with a lot of harmonica and fx on it, and that layer has a high pass on it to cut out all the low end so it doesn’t get in the way of the sub. As far as the kicks go, they do make a big difference. Obviously house and techno have lots of kick happening all the time, where as like dubstep and garage and stuff like that it more like a hip hop, metal half time type beat. But yeah they’re using samplers to play the kicks so they usually just fade the overly bassey tail of the kick out inside the sampler it self.

Boomy kicks, are for the kids with the boom boom cars.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Showing your age there 🤣

@BRIGGS2710

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird yep, age is a gift

Commenting for the algo.

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Do you mean decay when you say wavelength?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah but I kind of see them as the same thing in the given context

@tipipulkkinen

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird but if You were to shorten wavelength the pitch would then be higher, right? You see why I am grabbing into this?

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I've just never really understood the main terminology behind it cause in my head it should be called pitch length. I know it's meant to be related to pitch and frequency but I'm literal as fuck so I still view it as shortening the wavelength but tbh I normally mean to say decay but cause the actual word makes sense to me I slip into it sometimes cause visualy the wave is actually shortened haha

@AlexNiedt

3 ай бұрын

Perhaps "waveform length" is more apropos here?

@jorgepeterbarton

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird yeh more literal in a way. physicists like naming things wrong, but that slightly jarred my physics brain. I think 'spacial period' is sometimes used for 'wavelength' because its a periodic wave, whereas the wave is the whole thing no matter how many periods occur, so 'wavelength' really means the length of one of those periods within a periodic wave.

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@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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The difference was night and day on phone speakers

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I can still hear it on phone but nowhere as obvious compared to headphones or speakers

@yurikalashnikov2460

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird that’s what was so surprising!

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@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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Shortening the wavelength = increasing the frequency. 🤓

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

I meant waveform length

@adissabovic

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird I know, I know, just kidding. 😆

Just call it signal length or note length and the world can move on again ....

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@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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I don’t think anyone should be listening to this. Unless the bass player is completely deaf

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

Not everybody is a sessioned bass player

@chrisdover8507

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird personally I think that further along your mixing journey you will realise you’re way over thinking this and it’s mixing flaws that lead you down this path. Just my 2 cents

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

It's not mixing flaws as the sustain of the bass has nothing to do with me. I don't play the tracks. There are a lot of hits out there where the sustain of the bass has been allowed to swallow the entire mix but It's no coincidence that you listen to spike and serban and they never have this issue. That's why I was taught to listen to how the sustain is impacting the whole mix. If it's not drowning out the mix then move on, if it is, then you better fix it because it will impact your translation, especially in a headphone/ear bud dominated world

@chrisdover8507

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird sounds to me you’re compressing the bass wrong. Let’s have a mix off? You and your ‘deboom rubbish’ and me will SSL channel strips. Let’s have some fun!?

@chrisdover8507

3 ай бұрын

@@PaulThird I guarantee Spike is not editing/shortening bass waveforms. That’s ridiculous brother unless the bass player makes a one off mistake.

Unfollowing just because of this title. Come on if I understood correctly you just rantet quite a bit about this kind of YT culture.

@happyshadow

3 ай бұрын

I don't think you've understood what's been said or what has been explained in this video

@Notinserviceij

3 ай бұрын

Why are you on KZread then Look I get it, a lot of videos are just sales pitches dressed up as information videos But yeah I don't think it's that serious if you are aware of it and can still use the information that is provided And to be fair Paul gives us learning, heaps of nuggets of gold It's all good

@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

It's not clickbait though. You'll genuinely never compete with pro mixers unless you understand how bass sustain affects the entire mix. It's not subjective, it's actually crucial to listen for and know how to fix. If you actually watched the video, surely you couldn't say that the title and thumbnail is innacurate cause Ive given actual examples of how it ruined one of my own client mixes and how the fix drastically improved it, and then I offered further references to listen to from an industry professional aspect You can't even say it's that vague cause I've purposely got an arrow pointing to sustain on a waveform diagram. The whole thing collectively is telling you what you are away to watch and I genuinely mean what I'm saying as I'm sharing it from my own audio journey which is what I was ranting about. People sharing others journeys and it not coming from their own experience. This is my own experience, something I've failed at and then fixed. I'm sharing the audio journey, not a hack or rehashed trick

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@PaulThird

3 ай бұрын

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