This may turn into the late 90s again, after D&D 2nd died but right before D&D 3rd edition. Lots of different smaller rulesets and systems with different flavors, fighting for the shelf space with no clear winner. IMO everyone wins in that case, because people will start looking for games closer to their flavor rather than shoehorning everything to 5e.

@ausoleil8269

7 ай бұрын

The 90's were great. Vampire, Shadowrun, Earthdawn, L5R, Warhammer, Star Wars (D6) ... I was playing so many great games (and I was in Europe so many more local games too)

@tyjohnston8573

7 ай бұрын

It's cyclical. TSR screwed the pooch 25 (or so) years ago, and Hasbro seems to be doing the same today, but TTRPGs aren't going anywhere, though things might change for the next generation or two. D&D has been dead so many times over the years (much like Apple products), but they always seem to survive and be revived eventually. D&D (in one form or another) is generally the flagship, and while other products might overwhelm for a time, D&D tends to rise again like a phoenix. But heck, who knows, maybe some other products will rise to take over this time.

@GrimHeaperThe

7 ай бұрын

Pleeeeease

@saldiven2009

6 ай бұрын

The vast majority of those games were around long before the late 90's. Warhammer FRP, Shadowrun, Starwars, Mechwarrior, MERP, GURP, Call of Cthulhu, Hero/Champions, Palladium, Paranoia, Marvel and DC superhero RPGs, Cyberpunk, and many, many others all date from the 1980's. Those are all ones that I played at least one time at the local gaming store when I was in high school from 86-90.

I doubt it'll "fail", but if it drastically shrinks, hopefully no *single* other system will take its place. It will free people to look for the system that they like the most. Maybe suddenly some people will discover totally random systems that they'd never heard of (like Shadowrun or Barbarians of Lemuria) and fall in love with them. That would be a wonderful thing.

@Taven03

7 ай бұрын

I mean that would be considered a fail. Right now 5e is king if they lose that spot it would be viewed as failure and spread out. A new king will eventually rise but it will probably take several years but that's just kind of how markets go as it's unstable to keep lots of small brands

@BigSlimyBlob

7 ай бұрын

@@Taven03 I suppose, if you view D&D being king as the default state, you would see things that way. The way I see it, D&D was way, way, way more successful than it ever had any right to be. IMO being one of many semi-popular systems is a great success, so even if it falls down to that level, I wouldn't consider that a failure. It'd just be taking the place that it's always been supposed to have.

@Taven03

7 ай бұрын

@@BigSlimyBlob D&D as king is simply because it's a power house. True it's probably bigger than it would be without critical role or stranger things however D&D has been the best seller for a decade+ with it's biggest competition being Pathfinder which came in riding their previous success d&d 3.5. no other TTRPG has gotten even close to that. Even when d&d was smaller it was huge compared to most other systems. I highly recommend looking up the stats of how many people play D&D verus any other TTRPG they are crazy. So if it shrinks to the point that other systems are competitive against it... That's a huge loss and would damage confidence for Hasbro's stock holders who would start to question their other products

I think that the fact that we still have Theaters and Concerts and people still play Chess is an indication that D&D will still be played physically. It may look like Shadowdark or Deathbringer or Old School Classics, but I believe we will ALWAYS have D&D.

As I've been listening and watching this unfold, from the OGL to now a few things are very clear to me. 5e is going to become it's own form of an OSR game as WOTC turns D&D into a mmo video game. Who steps into to fill the game? My guess is that several will want to claim the mantel if they are clever in their marketing, they will be able to capture a slice of it.

@jimmyrepine8952

7 ай бұрын

D&D is not going 100% digital. The sales they've had, that brought them to this point, they are not going to abandon them. The 3 Core books coming out next year are the largest of their kind ever. You don't print so many books, the printers tell you they can't keep up- if you are going all digital--- that's asinine.

@krim7

7 ай бұрын

You can see a lot of companies positioning themselves to become the next Paizo. Be interesting to see how the cookie crumbles

I've been a GM for 40 years and in my opinion D&D is an entry-level TTRPG. It's glossy and slick and has a ton of name recognition but there are so many much more interesting games out there. Many of which are, sadly, no longer in production. For me the 80s and 90s were the greatest time for TTRPGs. There were so many different games. Not all of them good but so many with interesting ideas. D&D and Traveller were the two big games that started in the 70s. Then you also had games like Tunnels & Trolls, WEG's Star Wars RPG and the other D6 games (which were great!), GURPS, Cyborg Commando, Top Secret, Adventure!, Aftermath, Bubblegum Crisis (based on the anime), Champions, Elfquest and the other non-Cthulhu Chaosium games, Gamma World, Ghostbusters (another WEG game). I could go on and on and on and these are just the games I played or at least remember looking at in the gaming stores. With my gaming group spread all across the country I've struggled and had to do a lot of backend work to find and setup a virtual tabletop because there are a dozen different tabletops out there for D&D but almost nothing for any other games. Yes, Roll20 has quite a few but so many of the sheets are badly made or just plain broken. I will say, though, that Roll20 has improved a lot. I tried it when it first launched and it just didn't hold a candle to Maptool (which is free!) but now it's getting closer. (But you still have to play $100/year to do what you can do in Maptool for free.)

I do not think it will be Paizo. I think 5e players will continue to limp along with 5e even after the awful and even hostile actions WotC has taken 5e player base is pretty insular and it’s mostly online now. It’s much more rare for people to go to FLGS now, especially as players who don’t need to buy any books or mini’s for themselves. They aren’t physically seeing what other games are on the shelves. There isn’t a digital space like Steam that mimics a retail store front either that DnD players frequent. If anything, it’s places like DM’s Guild or Kickstarters that all focus on 5e

@jimmyrepine8952

7 ай бұрын

Most 5e players play online now? Yeah....no. It isn't even close. MOST players aren't even involved in Social Media relating to TTRPGs. I would wager it is less than 10-15% of the play base plays online. I was a manager of a game store who sold 30-40+ of the core 5e books each month on average- from their release until I left 2 years ago. No idea what sales have been since. Working 5 to 7 days a week, talking to a lot of the people who came in about their experience with D&D, most did not even know you could play online and didn't want to play online. Local stores are packed weekly with DDAL games or nightly campaigns. The couple of shops I frequent still have solid sales of all the 5e books. It is amusing and sad to see commentary like this with 0 evidence to back it up.

@theJoPanda

7 ай бұрын

Started dnd 3 games a week since covid and I stick to my online friends since... plus saving traffic and the driving around. If my groups erode I will consider RL dnd. But most new players on the Facebook groups want to try online first.

@kadmii

7 ай бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if someone creates a stripped down version of Pathfinder/Starfinder's 3-action economy. Of everything people like from Pathfinder 2e, it's that.

Lots of good insight, talented people and good conversations here. I honestly think this group with Paizo, KP, and MCDM could create their own company and run circles around the disconnected corporations. Unfortunately, it's that darn capital cash and the long game that is hard to deal with.

Ugh, the question predisposes that someone _has_ to step into that role, and that it's up to those companies to step up? I think the gaming community will choose one to follow, if it happens.

It won't happen of course, but I would love for Pinnacle Entertainment Group/Savage Worlds to explode into the #1 game in the west.

@chicksandwich

6 ай бұрын

Yeah. No chance of that. Savage world's is janky af

@MisanthropicPrime

6 ай бұрын

5E is way more janky. Doesn't work at all RAW.@@chicksandwich

Discourse Minis is the voice of the people. Yes. NOT. EVERYTHING. NEEDS. TO. BE. ENORMOUSLY. PROFITABLE.

@b1g_m00n

7 ай бұрын

capitalism demands it though. unequivocally and inescapably. sb should do something about that 🚩🚩

@AceneDean

7 ай бұрын

@b1g_m00n with large enough numbers, the system can be defeated.

@b1g_m00n

7 ай бұрын

@@AceneDean I mean it's a matter of time

I hate to say this, but sometimes the “bad guys” win in life. I think WotC will hit it out of the park with One D&D. They’ve already expressed the fact that they want to ditch their pre-existing player base multiple times. They’re trying to tap into the mobile app purchasing culture, where youngsters will think nothing about dropping 5-600 dollars on an app. From my experience, there are lots of players both online and in real life that are desperate to play D&D in some form but do not have a group or struggle with commitments/scheduling. These players might give Solo/Solitaire Play a go but, in my view, will be drawn to a D&D app, especially if it has a lobby system or matchmaking. I think it is this audience which WotC are hoping to entice with One D&D. Probably either getting them to pay to unlock content (MTX) or, at least, paying some type of sub fee.

@theJoPanda

7 ай бұрын

If you want to play dnd solo, you buy baldur's gate 3, I feel. New players drawn from critical role will probably be open to the available popular platforms, whether 5e or pathfinder groups

@krim7

7 ай бұрын

I think Pick Up Groups will become really popular in the app. You give DMs a big bonus for running a random group through a pre-existing dungeon

@madprophetus

7 ай бұрын

@@theJoPanda baldur's gate 3 without AI companions is godawful boring. I don't see lots of casual D&D players getting excited about playing X-Com with a coat of D&D paint having a ton of longevity.

@theJoPanda

7 ай бұрын

@@madprophetus true. I did love Solasta and its mods, and BG3 can develop a lot of different stories. For Roleplay theatrics it's not the same as real DnD, but for turn based fights and puzzles, the entertainment is there.

I feel that as this moment the whole RPG genre feels very much as it did when I played in end of 80s, beginning of the 90s. All was great and nothing could fail. But it did and TTRPG vanished for almost 20 years. This is the high prime of the second golden period of RPG and who knows. I think as D&D fails it will keep going for a while and then most likely a new Dark Age until next time it comes back. Personally I think Critical Role have an opportunity to step in as the next carrier of the torch but that is more a hope.

Pathfinder 2E is familiar enough that anyone who knows D&D 5E can fairly easily shift over to PF2E. I'm not certain if Paizo could retain it's quality if it started to scale up to match a WotC level of production.

Love the Steven Jackson reference.

I started with the basic set thru 5. The most difficult part of finding players for 5 is they want to play online. I grew up and continue to play at a table. I sat in for an online game. Took a lot longer to play three hours than it would have at table top. Moving things around on the screen, rolling electronic dice, computers and cameras... guess it just seems slower to play. The second most difficult part of playing online are restrictions. Never in my gaming experience did our personal lives matter to play a game. Now, if you dont subscribe personally to a lifestyle, you're not wanted. I cant imagine going to Conventions to play and being told I dont fit someone's mold. Absolutely sad

DC20 by The Dungeon Coach (and team) is poised to step in!

@ScottKelly-ly2by

7 ай бұрын

Damn right

If d&d fails you’ll probably just see most stores ditch the entire product category.

I think the tabletop may move to a progressively more roleplay focus as creativity is it's strength, whilst the rules heavy style systems like pathfinder etc will go to pc. You could replace dnd on the pc with an engine like skyrim as the rules don't matter, it's just a setting for adventures. Eg, baldurs gate 3 was good in spite of it's rules

@HeatherVerhagen

7 ай бұрын

I started running Candela Obscura. I love that it invites everyone to create a story together and that it focuses on social encounters investigation and combat. I feel that D&D supports combat more than the other pillars and it frustrates me.

@adamtr1026

7 ай бұрын

@@HeatherVerhagen the combat in dnd really seems to break once you get multiple attacks per round. They need some way to reign it all in because by level 11 you're already a God compared to 2e

I agree with Discourse, there is a massive size disparity between WotC and everyone else. It's like Paizo, Goodman Games, Chaosium, etc. are red dwarf stars and WotC is a red supergiant star.

I think you gotta look at Baldur's Gate 3 to see how utterly and completely corporate missed the mark, and thank fuck for that. The stories we've been hearing are that the devs were left alone and they made a really cool single player game. If WotC and Hasbro corporate knew it was going to be one of the top games of the year, how many microtransactions would they have demanded they shovel in? Would they have mandated parts of the game be released as expansions down the line? BG3 flew entirely under their radar until it was out for corporate and I imagine they are FURIOUS they missed the chance to turn it into a live service, subscription bas3d pay to play experience. But they didn't see it coming, because they heard it was a story based single player RPG sequel to a game from the 2000s.

When they decided to release a cookbook and a book with a deck of cards that $99 you know they are milking this game to death.

My vote is Free League Publishing or Modiphius entertainment. Both companies have a large catalog of TTRPGs.

@johnguss6087

7 ай бұрын

I think it’s stronger than that. Both companies have licensed adaptations of major properties and are likely to become the top two companies in the industry. It will largely depend on the popularity of those properties as to which one rises to the top. Alien, the One Ring, Blade Runner, Star Trek, Dune, and others will become a huge draw if One D&D tanks.

I think the main question is that what do we expect from our gaming experience? TTRPG is a in-person social experience, with friends or like-minded gamers engaging in real time for hours on end, making friendships or networking or whatever. OR do we want to move towards online gaming with diminished social interaction other than avatars and text on a screen ala texting or other social media with you don't even know who truly is on the other end? Me? I choose people every time.

Everyone will just start playing Burring Wheel.

Its up to individual GMs to make the jump, whatever the system

Thank you for this short format, is great for catching up 😃👍

The only thing holding back Free League or Modiphius is they don’t have U.S. based publishing to scale.

@direden

7 ай бұрын

This is why I think a merger is the answer. Imagine if one of those companies that make really great entry-level games partnered with a US company that has decent distribution capability... like Paizo or Kobold Press.

@DM_Bluddworth

7 ай бұрын

@@direden Free League / Modiphius don’t need creation or publishing, they need distribution. They make better RPGs than Paizo, WotC or Kobold Press.

Considering the similarity between the 4e and OneD&D situations (licencing issues and push to digital), I expect a similar result: people will just keep playing original 5e, until someone pulls a Paizo and makes a replacement that is actually compatible, unlike OneD&D or Project Black Flag. However, I expect plenty of people to backport a few changes from OneD&D, further complicating the 5e House Rules Maze.

@Tony_Goat

7 ай бұрын

Isn't Tales of Valiant (Formerly Black Flag) supposed to be 5e Compatible though?

@lonelywizard6411

7 ай бұрын

@@Tony_Goat it's straight up 5th edition without the OGL.

@WolforNuva

7 ай бұрын

One D&D and Tales of the Valiant are at least as compatible with 5e as 5e is... Which to be fair isn't as compatible as you'd think; I mean if you have 2 fighters at the table, one playing a champion and the other a rune knight, one of them is going to feel mighty pathetic compared to the other.

@robinbernardinis

7 ай бұрын

@@lonelywizard6411 Oh really? I'm working on really outdated information then. I was still using the old name, and I was under the impression that they took significant liberties with the ruleset. Guess I'll go inform myself better then.

@lonelywizard6411

7 ай бұрын

@@robinbernardinis there is some minor changes, but the whole point of black flag was to let Kobold Press continue their work without the OGL. OGL went into creative commons but they had made a promise, so they kept going. Tales of the Valiant might be more valuable as a DMG than as an actual new game.

If D&D fails, other publishers will step. Pathfinder took the market by storm after D&D 3.5. My group of friends have libraries of books and cabinets of minis. We can table top till the end of time.

I started with 5e. Discovered old-school D&D, TSR era. Ill stick with that, regardless of what happens with 5e, 6e. Theres a thriving community with a lifetime of content constantly being published. Plus i like the way its played as opposed to 3.5, 5e, 6e etc. Totally different experience. I don't need another edition, no reason to keep reinventing the wheel.

@Richforce1

7 ай бұрын

Long live the OSR.

The only thing needed for DnD is one book only, the Player Handbook. If the company that makes and sells that just vanishes into thin air now... where's the big change? Just use an old copy. Or a new rule nook, there are tons. But don't buy into the narrative that WotC is the grail keeper of TTRPG. They aren't. So it's not the question who filles a void... if there is no void in the first place.

I keep hearing people talking about how digital material will ruin playing DND at a table. But as a blind, DM, I usually use digital books when playing at my IRL table. There are probably a lot of people who are doing that. It makes for a lot more table space.

@steinarbergstl5799

7 ай бұрын

Yep. Playing since early 2nd edition AD&D days here with the same group I'm still playing with today (yeah, we're old, but you can take our dice when we're cold and six feet under, dammit!). Yes, at least one of us usually buys the physical book, but around the table D&D Beyond is used for character sheets and digital books simply because it's a whole damn lot more convenient to bring a bag of dice and a tablet or laptop than it is to bring a bunch of heavy paper books every time we're gonna play. The game experience itself, however, hasn't changed one damn bit since we were teens. Still the same bunch of immature dumbasses sitting around a table eating and drinking too much crap that's not good for us and having a grand, old time being goofy and being disintegrated by beholders or eaten by the door into the dungeon (bloody mimics!) TTRPGs using digital material ruins nothing. Absolutely nothing. The only thing that can ruin tabletop gaming for you and your group is you yourself.

When the electricity goes out everyone will play tabletawp agayne dewde

I heard Table Tolk and i raise you TableTolkien as the new title for Dungeonmaster. Tolk is a danish word for translator/interpretator, which is delicious symbolism in my book. Who shall hold the title of master ttrpg Overlord/Eager storyteller? Honestly relying on source is kind of what will end up in the repeat of what is going on with almost every company now. Most of them were popular or they bought popular ips that were made by guys who had teams and experience, however rare, independent of a short term-sacrifice-quality-to-maximize-profit mindset.

I think those that want to play at the table will and those that don’t won’t. No one company will fill the void

Why does there have to be 1? Why can't all these companies fill that space? There are so many great ttrpgs! This could be a pivotal rpg Renaissance.

If One D&D fails it will still hold the top spot for a while.

God, I just wish D&D just die away for a few decades, they are completely DEVOURING the TTRPG market, each year thousands of projects get lost because of it's enournous size, I would like to see a more diverse scene where there are equal footing for sci fi, fantasy and horror games and it's not just everything being a 5e Mod

If D&D One fails, it's the best thing ever for the industry, because people will literally just start trying other big & indie publisher games. Pathfinder, DCC, OSE, Shadowdark, etc. There will no longer be a gatekeeper on creativity for the TTRPG industry. It will basically turn into GD&D - Generic D&D. People still associate the name with the concept, but just like OSR encompasses a ton of different games with minor variations, GD&D will basically be all the offshoots like Tales of the Valiant.

I've switched to Pathfinder 2e and have been very happy with that system. And it'll be fully compatible with Starfinder 2e. Still have my 5e books and all, but Paizo RPGs are my new "D&D" for the foreseeable future.

D&D will always live in the OSR

I still play D&D 4e (I can hear the boos already). Now that the hacked character builder is available, It's not so hard build a character and play.

Peopl have this weird hope of a "return to the 90s" but their is no white wolf. Whats gonna happen is everyone will just continue to play regular old 5e, and they will try to make 6th edition

Shrinking market != Shrinking player base. A lot of 5E player will just continue using the books that they already own.

Frankly I think DnD One will just fail catastrophically, or be a very niche thing. Hasbro's plan to make their own high fidelity virtual tabletop platform just makes it fall to the small awful Venn diagram intersection. It'll be both more laborious and more restrictive for the DM run than actual tabletop, and it requires a DM and a set group unlike most video games. And they'll slap a monthly subscription fee to it too. That alone will make the audience look elsewhere because much to dissatisfaction of the companies, it's usually just the DM who pays for the products if anyone. We are probably heading for another period where the dominant system dies and bunch of smaller niches might grow. I think the PF2e will grow somewhat because the people who want to play DnD for the combat and crawl will find it the most appealing if 5th edition stops being the norm. But the bigger question will be where the majority of players who don't want to deal with more crunch than 5th ed has will end up. It might mean that some new system will become immensely popular out of nowhere for a while, similar to how Vampire: the Masquerade sprung up in the 90's.

For the record I have no shortage of players at my 5e session in the Trinity Arms in London on Saturday afternoons. I have to turn them away. And they love D&D and won't consider another system. I can see that WOTC is makinhg a hash of things but there's m,assive brand loyalty. Don't underestimate it.

@theJoPanda

7 ай бұрын

Brand or system? 5e can be played outside of wotc/dnd beyond platforms. You dont have to pay monthly to play 5e

D&D has always been a nerd niche game and always will. It's going to see highs and lows. So no one company is going to race to the forfront. It will be that some companies will do better than others. Plus, people will move on to something new and exciting and I think you're starting to see it now.

ever since DND had gotten really politically correct I've been working on making my own game. I've had ideas for the last several years now that's starting to come together now. I'm doing things that even if one or 2 of the core concepts are in other systems I haven't seen anything do what I'm trying to do

Hey, I didn't realize discourse was in this chat, hell yeah batman

I started back in the 1970s, and my view is that “One Rule Set to Ring Them All” is not really desirable. Also, how recent iterations can be called the thing for casual players baffles me, given the weight of player-facing mechanics and the fetish for min-maxing.

To be honest does it matter? People are moving on and perhaps in a few years we will have a favorite. I think this is actually a good time for our hobby because people are trying new things.

Here's the big thing about the Q-rating. People have heard of D&D as in they have heard of the fantasy game with dice that people play pretend and is kinda geeky. The thing is, that's not what Hasbro/WOTC actually OWNS. They own the lore, the setting, the character, the art, etc.. When the general public thinks of D&D, they think the 80's cartoon, geeks around tables, not Forgotten realms characters like Dritzz, or places like Neverwinter. That's why all the things for the movie and what other publicity lately has been pushing "The WORLD of D&D". Which, honestly, no one really cares about.

@PsyrenXY

7 ай бұрын

I was with you until the last sentence. Clearly people do care about the world / IP as Baldurs Gate 3 proved

@caihly2443

7 ай бұрын

@PsyrenXY people care about BG3 because of the narrative, which may use the Forgotten Realm's lore but is still unique. It doesn't really matter if it's Bhaal, Illithid or other names, most worlds can have a god of murder and essentially space ghouls under mind control

@ConFusi0n

7 ай бұрын

​@@PsyrenXY I think people cared much more about a really good video game with an engaging story. I don't think the world of d&d really carried baldur's gate. D&d IP might have got it off the ground, but it being just a good game got it most of the way imo.

@PsyrenXY

7 ай бұрын

@@caihly2443 without Githyanki, Vlaakith, Mindflayers, Shar, Minsc and Jaheira it just wouldn't have had the same impact. Maybe it could have still succeeded as a CRPG, but not to this level.

"The people who work there are wonderful." We need to get rid of the people who are taking up space there but don't work there.

D&D has suffered by courting casual tourists and not properly gatekeeping.

One of the business flaws that was not identified in the 70's and the 80's is that D&D relied mostly on the creativity of the players. It is a "toy" that was designed that the player could create their own versions of it, with their own worlds, own characters, and even own monsters in some sense. Really all you need is the core rule books. Yes there has been a whole splinter industry with pre-designed adventures, supplemental material etc... but only the most hard core have bought into most of that. Now that it is all being digitized and put online, the ability to make money with it becomes even more challenging, and now that Hasbro and Wizards are trying to monetize it, they are being crucified, but how are they any different from the creators of the biggest video game franchises that keep putting out new versions or expansions that costs players a lot of money as well. Same with Wizards move from physical cards in the MTG space and pushing more and more to their digital offerings on MTG Arena.

I'd be good with Goodman Games stepping up if the tables are cut down a bit.

No one there is a renaissance of creators and systems.

This exact thing happened after the 3.5-4th ed transition. Its weird how short peoples memories are. New materials for 5 ed slowly go away, people get bored with the initial excitement with 6th and Pathfinder keeps releasing more and more materials growing the fanbase and slowly consuming the market space.

@jimmyrepine8952

7 ай бұрын

Just what happened? 4e outsold every other TTRPG. D&D didn't go away, D&D didn't fail. It literally outsold everything else during that time period (as people who worked for both companies have stated multiple times).

@PsyrenXY

7 ай бұрын

Pathfinder took over the market because it was continuing 3.5, the market leader at the time. PF2/Paizo are not positioned to do that this time. MAYBE Kobold Press is with Valiant, they seem closest to 5e, but they also don't have the community clout that 2008 Paizo did due to being the minds behind Dragon Magazine.

The 2024 D&D 5e isn't going the fail. Success from other companies isn't going to happen overnight, but let's hope that some other companies will step up over time. I really hope that WotC isn't just being replaced by about company. I hope that WotC and D&D stay, but that they will get healthy competition from at least 2 or 3 other companies.

I agree with other posters that Free League is a contender. Consider that they currently have the Tolkien license as well as the general-purpose trope-y fantasy Dragonbane plus several other more specialized fantasy games.

6:30 futurama was niche also, that's why it was cancelled. You are seeing the world through nerd eyes, most people don't care and won't play

eBay and pdfs of older editions will fill in the gap.

From what I've been told, D&D was initially less successful in Europe because D&D wasn't localized or even translated first. In Germany, having a single game system is seen as kind of alien.

Dust off your old 2E books and play! I still got them....somewhere.

My D&D 3.5 hobby is immune to the Orwellian nightmare of sensitivity readers.

D&D One, the update to 5e, whatever you want to call it, is not going to fail. What has come out of the play test so far is quite solid (though, I was sad to see the change to the magic system get tossed). And having played the play test consistently since it started, it is completely compatible with the original release of 5e. There is a boost in giving a feat a level 1 for everyone, that if you are playing with a character that didn't receive that benefit, they will probably be a little less powerful. Chris Perkins, Jeremy Crawford are quite adept stewards of the game. Upper management maybe not so adept, but they and their team is.

@theJoPanda

7 ай бұрын

I am so reticent to even care about anything new they work on, and I consider myself a top tier spender/content supporter. Their top tier must have fragmented a lot.

@Chris3s

7 ай бұрын

After they backtracked on many great ideas, because old players are used to old ways, I have no real faith in 5e. This system could be much better. I have a bit of hope for DC20, it is still in development though

This was predicted by search terms on Google.

Here’s a possibility. Instead of one company filing the void, what if all of them did? Instead of one big leader that props everyone up, is it so inconceivable that the hundreds of indie companies that already exist fill the void? Like instead of a near monopoly of TTRPGs that is emblematic of late stage capitalism, we go back to capitalism as it’s meant to be where there is a massive playing field of multiple competitors on even terms all competing with each other for the same customer pool. Is that so unimaginable?

Wow please adjust mark's volume. Way loud! Great video.

@RollForCombat

7 ай бұрын

Sorry about that

Every 10-15 years, D&D implodes, regardless of the company at the helm. Maybe it's a matter of putting the bean counters in charge or maybe it's simply a timing issue, history has shown a variety of issues, but it's happened often enough that oldtimers know it when it's coming. D&D will likely die for the next handful of years, but eventually it is likely to rise again. But even if it doesn't, the tabletop RPG community will survive one way or another. An apocalypse doesn't mean the end, believe it or not.

Dungeons and Dragons was amazing when it wasn’t mainstream, it was for nerds when I played it and trying to get casuals is what killed it.

Why would we need a leader anyway

Simple, the OSR.

So... Never answered the question? Steve Jackson games right?

1:01 This is a REALLY narrow viewpoint, Baron... That is not what the hobby is; TTRPG's will not live or die on the back of one company who just happen to be part of a massive conglomerate (Hasbro)... there will never be a "who will take the place of [X]" because thats a mindset of people who consume too much modern media...that there's somehow always a best that needs to survive for the [industry] to continue...but its just not true. EA is undoubtedly a giant AAA video games developer/publisher; but they've wanted to kill off single player games and RPG's for years... and whenever they announced that, there was a swoth of smaller Dev's who would pipe up with "Hey, check out our single player RPG!"; games that have profited off of this include: The Beast Inside, FTL, Metro franchise, Pathfinder Kingmaker, Pillars of Eternity, Stygian, and Wasteland 2... It is fundamentally the *wrong* mindset to have, to think that D&D is or was a pillar...its not. Chaosium would disagree, Catalyst Games Lab would disagree, Paizo would disagree, Green Ronin Publishing would disagree, Modiphius would disagree, and im sure Monte Cook Games would disagree.

I'm confused. Why wouldn't it be 3.5 or 5 forever?

Kort'thalis Publishing

D&D 4E!!

I have 3 players handbooks :( lol

I think the question is redundant. DnD will just be replaced by another d20 generic fantasy clone. It makes little difference who's generic fantasy ttrpg it is.

Paizo!!!!!

Indie devs are already stepping up to flex and take over. And we need that as a community. People will always play D&D. And people have their favorite versions. But we need to support other, smaller, developers who might come out of left field and knock it out of the park. If they, WotC, felt threatened because some other game is rightfully soaking up all the torchlight, they might get their crap together and finally start producing some new content. And stop milking older content over and over and over and over again. I am one of the indie dev's trying to put out something new, something fresh, out there that people hopefully love since it is designed for them. For all of us. Same thing with all the others dev's as well.

In a time before the OGL there we didn't need a 'pillar', we nearly had a game system for every setting and why do we need a 'pillar'? Let's face it, many people today are not there to play Role-Playing Games, they want to play D&D and have little interest in other settings or even genres. The OGL and especially D&D5E made it a bigger business than it ever was. BTW, nothing wrong with only wanting to play D&D, after all, who has the money or time for more than one rules system and game setting? Aside from nerds and geeks that is. And why do we even need it? The hobby will survive. There will be fewer players again, but so what? Those that remain will still have their fun, maybe even more than today. The way I see it, D&D has stifled creativity. The more I hear about how people playing D&D these days, the less I wonder why their campaigns end around level 10 because it becomes 'boring'. Does anyone even remember any of the other genres and game settings? TORG? Plying in the Reality War? Gamma World? The post-apocalypse? RIFTS? The post-apocalypse on steroids? World of Darkness? Personal horror? Blue Planet? Essentially a cyberpunk/Solarpunk mix. Or more funny ones like Paranoia where the Computer is your friend? And the list goes on and on and on.

C'mon! Are you kidding me...Paizo all the way. They're insanely organized; they are a full-fledged publishing house and they could take over TOMORROW. It would still be D&D and I truly feel Paizo would respect the franchise that they would take ownership of. Certainly far better than the boneheads at WOTC and HASBRO.

Paizo, its a simple question. No one else has the ability to scale.

@Iulian111

7 ай бұрын

Paizo will fail because their game is too crunchy. Only a part of the hardcore public enjoy Pathfinder. People will use their setting, but stay away from the system. Similar but simpler systems like PBTA or OSR/OSR adjacent games will take over.

@icholi88

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, its weird how people forgot how the 3.5-4th edition transition worked out and how 5th was there attempt to wrestle it back from Paizo. At one time Pathfinder was the market leader and if Wizards bows out of pen and paper completely... its even more free real estate.

@funionsflagons7844

7 ай бұрын

paizo unfortunately has a splintered base already. you have 1e loyalists, Starfinder fans that are not at all happy about 2e coming out, and then you have 2nd edition players that may or may not even acknowledge or transfer over to the remastered version of the edition.

@direden

7 ай бұрын

​@@icholi88Paizo was never that large. It out sold 4th edition for a very brief moment. That all became clear when Ryan Dancy was interviewed multiple times during the OGL debacle. WotC didn't wrestle the market share back. It didn't take much effort at all for D&D to out pace Pathfinder. That's the whole reason they're asking the question... they know Pathfinder isn't the easy answer.

@direden

7 ай бұрын

​@@funionsflagons7844You're right. Plus Pathfinder isn't user-friendly enough to draw casual fans into the hobby.

FDNY fails this hobby becomes fractured all these little companies will have a larger portion of the market share but there's not really going to be one dominant thing and because of that it'll be harder to find games harder to find groups and the hobby becomes kind of underground Niche again

4th edition

Right now Noone will take its place , folks will do what We have always done...play the edition We enjoy playing. Paizos a mess, Goodman niche, I mean Savage Worlds has a following. I mean for the most part folks will be more creative just to keep their games alive with no real new market product. I mean DMs guild will probably have more products for other editions of D&D. I mean the OGL to me was horrible for TTRPGs in the fact that people became lazy. Rather than create new games they just wrote small products on the back of D&D. You didn't have to make rules or design anything it was done for you. Look at all the new fantastic games made after the OGL failure, Hopefully now We start getting more creative designers that create new fantastic games and the TTRPG community actually moves forward instead of traveling on the same track.

please let the next thing be GURPS

If One D&D fails (and to be honest, I hope it will), I really hope no one will take over. I hope people will play many different awesome roleplaying games. I don't like D&D, as a system, but the brand itself belongs in hands that respect it more as the legacy it represents.

DC20🎉

D&D was the most popular rpg, and is now one of the most disliked rpgs; it cannot occupy both spaces... Imo, a lot of older rules sets, like 1e and 2e will make an astounding comeback, as well as newer games with similar rules sets, like LotFP, OSE, DCC, and others.

Damn, they put an add after every minute I watched. Hopefully this was an anomoly.

5e will resume normal service as everyone who bought the books won't have to rely on digital content. For me that's the way forward if they archive 5e content on line

@krim7

7 ай бұрын

3E has shown that there will remain a vibrant community of players but it will diminish and fade with time. The most likely scenario is that a company becomes to 5E what Pathfinder was to 3E. The systems will be linked for a time but as time progresses the 5E books will be sloughed off in favor of material made in house

They gotta stop removing all the "imagination" along with every other word

I think D&D itself is going nowhere. But I do see heads rolling at WoTC and Hasbro for one of the most monumental marketing fails in a loooong time. One D&D will become synonymous with New Coke. I personally hope that the brand gets handed off to a company that actually knows how to handle it, like Kobold Press.

Remember in the 70s peopel still played table top war games? I remember at the Compleat Strategist in NYC the war gamers and dnd players shopped at aame store. That hobby is gone. Things hear are huge do fade. 😮

Toys are pretty much dead. My twins didn't ask for a toy for their birthday they want a birthday shout out from one of their favorite youtubers.

@obiwankenobi9439

7 ай бұрын

Give them an OF coupon 😂

I wont do virtual table top rpgs. I will just play video games instead. If you are not in person why bother. Im may be in the minority.

If I'm Hasbro I license the whole thing out. Will make more money for them than any other option.

@theJoPanda

7 ай бұрын

They tried and failed. Read on January 2023 on the Ogl scandal

@penguinlust6749

7 ай бұрын

@@theJoPanda No, I'm saying hand off the whole thing -- allow someone else to design and sell the whole system, essentially like they license out the digital right for Baldur's Gate 3. Farm out the rules -- everything -- and don't produce the books, etc. Let someone else take over and sell the whole beast.