Identity Politics and Racism | Coleman Hughes | Forward with Andrew Yang

Writer and rapper Coleman Hughes joins for a wide ranging discussion on racial essentialism, the future of work, and why politics ruins politicians.
00:00 - Intro
00:28 - A jazz trombonist-turned philosopher
24:44 - Why skin color shouldn't matter
41:07 - The identity politics of the Democratic Party
54:46 - Office culture and the future of work
1:12:20 - In order to succeed, you have to become an automaton
Follow Coleman Hughes: / colemanhughesofficial | colemanhughes.org
Follow Andrew Yang: / andrewyang | forwardparty.com
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  • @arjay9745
    @arjay97452 жыл бұрын

    Double dose of intelligence, pragmatism, and reasonableness. Exactly what I needed today.

  • @brianw13

    @brianw13

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed!

  • @jennycatlike
    @jennycatlike2 жыл бұрын

    Two of my most favorite men on the planet - for your integrity, honesty and your insights about our Amercian cultures and challenges and potentials

  • @clareregan841
    @clareregan8412 жыл бұрын

    Andrew since you've had john Mcwhorter and Coleman on you need to dive into UBI with Glenn Loury since he's the economic expert. Love listening to their perspectives

  • @camouflageartist8897

    @camouflageartist8897

    2 жыл бұрын

    Let’s talk about racism against Slavs. kzread.info/dash/bejne/m4Vsksluo87TeNo.html

  • @streglof

    @streglof

    2 жыл бұрын

    Agreed

  • @modernfabian

    @modernfabian

    2 жыл бұрын

    That would be interesting

  • @jpkaneshida242

    @jpkaneshida242

    Жыл бұрын

    Glenn's great. Get the man; Sowell

  • @noslomoe8271

    @noslomoe8271

    Жыл бұрын

    They are 100% correct. You don't need just to call people "deplorable" to show them that you have contempt for these voters. Every time a Democrat looks at a declining economy and says, "This really hurts minorities"...no it doesn't...it hurts everyone and this race-hustler should be rejected from the first minute.

  • @mspence0826
    @mspence08262 жыл бұрын

    This might be my favorite episode of Forward. I’m a big fan of Coleman, and I appreciate the dynamic between you two.

  • @user-bn7uf9bz7r
    @user-bn7uf9bz7r9 ай бұрын

    I deeply admire Andrew Yang's courage to fight racial discrimination this way!

  • @williamlukach603
    @williamlukach6032 жыл бұрын

    Glad to see Coleman getting noticed by the rational middle. He was just mentioned on Joe Rogan this week as well.

  • @user-bn7uf9bz7r
    @user-bn7uf9bz7r9 ай бұрын

    Andrew has made a right decision to form a Forward Party of his own !

  • @BodyMusicification
    @BodyMusicification2 жыл бұрын

    Best podcast episode by far in a while-love this guy's pure logical insights. The way he answers questions literally without any judgment or agenda reminds me of when I was younger as well. I'm going to look into more of what Coleman Hughes's puts out until the world now

  • @philiptaele4894
    @philiptaele48942 жыл бұрын

    Cornell West would be a great guest to have on the podcast.

  • @JockoJonson17

    @JockoJonson17

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @paigemccormick6519

    @paigemccormick6519

    Жыл бұрын

    Okay, Philip. Also Abraham Lincoln.

  • @emilaubry6856
    @emilaubry68562 жыл бұрын

    I can't wait for this. Both intelligent common sense people 💕

  • @AurorXZ
    @AurorXZ2 жыл бұрын

    He's writing a book? SIGN ME UP

  • @tomcoop9750
    @tomcoop97502 жыл бұрын

    I loved this episode. In regard to offices dying - work from home has helped my mental health immensely. As an introvert, I need time to recharge. I am no longer wasting time on a commute that I’m not being paid for.

  • @kathleencassel1350
    @kathleencassel1350 Жыл бұрын

    I am a Christian and also a contemplative person, Coleman. Your big questions are also my kinds of questions. I love to listen to your thought process and have learned much from your example of how to discuss issues with someone who disagrees with you. Christ spoke the truth, but he always did so in love. It is a worthwhile effort to learn how to strive for that balance. A civil conversation is becoming rare.

  • @jasper_of_puppets
    @jasper_of_puppets2 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome! Super stoked for this episode! Really glad to see all these guys come together for these great conversations.

  • @keithhansen4891
    @keithhansen48912 жыл бұрын

    Wow, two people I respect!

  • @deprogramr
    @deprogramr2 жыл бұрын

    I just listened to Coleman's music for the first time... It's really good! So glad this podcast pointed me in the direction.

  • @dmr6390
    @dmr63902 жыл бұрын

    Love ColdXman!

  • @DawitWondim
    @DawitWondim Жыл бұрын

    I loved Coleman's take on the differences between speaking to a person in a group setting vs 1 on 1. Everything he said there is 100% accurate from my experiences.

  • @SR-lh4rm
    @SR-lh4rm2 жыл бұрын

    Interesting guest and podcast. It's really great when Yang is willing to risk conflict with a guest in order to get past surface level conversations as was done here.

  • @camouflageartist8897

    @camouflageartist8897

    2 жыл бұрын

    Let’s talk about racism against Slavs. kzread.info/dash/bejne/m4Vsksluo87TeNo.html

  • @Grappapappa
    @Grappapappa Жыл бұрын

    I have been following Coleman for some 2 years, but I didn't know until now that we have a very similar background. I too was thinking of becoming a professional musician, but then I went to a philosophy class at school, which really hit me, and I am still on that path. And I was a white kid in Eastern Finland.

  • @coppersense999
    @coppersense9992 жыл бұрын

    Exactly. We can't be divided around race, sadly we need to unite around poverty.

  • @coppersense999

    @coppersense999

    2 жыл бұрын

    So sad there hasn't been greater backlash with the end of the childcare assist. I don't have kids, but I 1000% support supporting families. Seems to speak to how completely we've been broken and just lost faith in our gov't, like abused or neglected children. Traumatized into learned helplessness. I hope I'm wrong. :'(

  • @bradtaylor77
    @bradtaylor772 жыл бұрын

    You need to get Chloe Valdary on here as well

  • @emilaubry6856

    @emilaubry6856

    2 жыл бұрын

    She's awesome!

  • @JockoJonson17

    @JockoJonson17

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes

  • @Wiegs
    @Wiegs2 жыл бұрын

    This was great!

  • @georgsyphers1437
    @georgsyphers14372 жыл бұрын

    So happy to see two of my preferred podcast hosts talking, this was just lovely to watch.

  • @allyourbase888
    @allyourbase8882 жыл бұрын

    Coleman gives me hope for the future. Thanks 🙏🏽. I hope you include him in your administration when you become president.

  • @alohaoliwa
    @alohaoliwa Жыл бұрын

    Yang is an impressive listener

  • @TheAmateurEditor
    @TheAmateurEditor Жыл бұрын

    Listening to Mr Yang just makes me wonder how much better off the whole world would have been if he had won the nomination and the Presidency. We NEED level-headed, respectful and genuine people like him to be the norm in politics, not the exception.

  • @voice_from_pizza
    @voice_from_pizza Жыл бұрын

    Such a solid team.

  • @sonicjihad7
    @sonicjihad72 жыл бұрын

    Coleman is such a badass. Deserves every bit of the success he’s getting.

  • @ChrisOffner
    @ChrisOffner2 жыл бұрын

    Coleman's comments on structure from 1:06:50 on remind me of philosopher Immanuel Kant, who in his book Critique of Pure Reason said "The light dove, cleaving the air in her free flight, and feeling its resistance, might imagine that its flight would be still easier in empty space."

  • @deenzmartin6695
    @deenzmartin6695 Жыл бұрын

    good to see two adults have a conversation who don't seem to be ideologically possessed or evil.

  • @kevintse2870
    @kevintse28702 жыл бұрын

    Note, when Chapelle ended his set with “stop punching down on my people,” he wasn’t referring to black people, he was referring to comics. And when he talks about white people he actually means people who leverage the institution to oppress others.

  • @shak535
    @shak5352 жыл бұрын

    Yes !

  • @matthewkilbride1669
    @matthewkilbride1669 Жыл бұрын

    I live in South Korea and they're very heavy on automated ticketing here. One perhaps unexpected byproduct of it is that GPS systems put a heavy emphasis on telling drivers where the check points are so you can slow down in time. It's an interesting system, but on the whole I think probably effective.

  • @beginnersguide4556
    @beginnersguide45562 жыл бұрын

    Before i watch this want to say. Thank You, mother earth for the gift of Marijuana. I would not be alive without it. It helps me with epilepsy and suicidal depression.

  • @Odinfang

    @Odinfang

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’m happy to say I’m getting into growing it as a career.

  • @ET_LWO
    @ET_LWO Жыл бұрын

    “The charitable interpretation of that” 🎤📡

  • @ratonsito2836
    @ratonsito2836 Жыл бұрын

    The more i hear about coleman, the more interesting the guy gets

  • @JuhlMedia
    @JuhlMedia2 жыл бұрын

    A great discussing.

  • @VeryLikeLeigh
    @VeryLikeLeigh2 жыл бұрын

    Do I see a Yang - Hughes presidential run in the future? (I'm just dreaming)

  • @TipToe67
    @TipToe67 Жыл бұрын

    Good stuff!

  • @talyahr3302
    @talyahr3302 Жыл бұрын

    As a fellow philosophy major, HAZZAH! 🏛

  • @thaliabudai2013
    @thaliabudai2013 Жыл бұрын

    In the case of distributing the anti viral drugs to people with pre-existing health issues and minorities in New York: It was for a very pragmatic reason, nothing to do with trying to put whites last as a policy. Minorities suffered more, died in larger numbers and were more distrusting of treatment than whites, so more vulnerable to Covid. This is why they were prioritized.

  • @TheFilteredLight
    @TheFilteredLight Жыл бұрын

    Great conversation. I've grown to believe that people need to come to grips with their totally natural and rational/irrational racist/tribal views. The sooner people stop searching for narratives to support their uncomfortable thoughts and opinions, the less energy those naratives will have. If we can accept that we all harbor bias that may not be nice or accurate and focus on the Golden Rule, I think we will see some progress...at least with the race issue.

  • @rhettstraube2559
    @rhettstraube25592 жыл бұрын

    Watching Drums of Thunder vids with my son. Thanks!

  • @SThrillz
    @SThrillz2 жыл бұрын

    You can live your life in color blind mode if that's what you want just not everyone can do the same.

  • @cng2009
    @cng20092 жыл бұрын

    This was just fantastic all the way around! We can make more progress with long term solutions if we can de-escalate the issues and polarization around the issues and then look at them through logic and compassion and focus on best outcomes

  • @RobotProctor
    @RobotProctor2 жыл бұрын

    You should have links to Coleman's YT in the description.

  • @dprestons0318
    @dprestons03182 жыл бұрын

    It seems to me that this racial essentialism comes from a phenomenological approach which says, "In actual experience, I never experience myself as disconnected from my race." This fits with the attacker example. But there is a difference between is and ought, right?

  • @Odinfang
    @Odinfang2 жыл бұрын

    I strongly feel Elon Musk needs to be on here to speak with Andrew Yang. It’s a meeting of the minds I need to see lol

  • @tubegoolaz
    @tubegoolaz2 жыл бұрын

    Interesting conversation. I’m reluctant to bring up a trifling point, but did anyone else notice that Coleman uses the 3rd person where first person would be more appropriate?

  • @getzinger
    @getzinger Жыл бұрын

    I'm wondering if Andrew Yang's Into to Philosophy class included the pre-Socratics (not pre-Greek)? Just a thought.

  • @SG-dq5pj
    @SG-dq5pj Жыл бұрын

    The reason they don’t want cameras to ticket drivers is exactly the reason he is giving it will be unbiased! I think his take is bourgeois take on racism because he himself did not face racism like Candice owens.

  • @TheParadox_
    @TheParadox_2 жыл бұрын

    1:24:00 I believe the term you’re looking for is empathy fatigue.

  • @purdysanchez
    @purdysanchez Жыл бұрын

    If we implement UBI, how do we prevent rent seeking behavior from increasing prices and negating UBI?

  • @majedtaleb3944
    @majedtaleb39442 жыл бұрын

    Two of my favorite people in the world

  • @esotericVideos
    @esotericVideos2 жыл бұрын

    Liked it, but would have enjoyed a deeper dive on some issues. Both seemed to have more to say on things like Chappelle.

  • @camouflageartist8897

    @camouflageartist8897

    2 жыл бұрын

    Let’s talk about racism against Slavs. kzread.info/dash/bejne/m4Vsksluo87TeNo.html

  • @StingLikePepperPepper
    @StingLikePepperPepper2 жыл бұрын

    What were the Divergent views?

  • @camrenhohn3704
    @camrenhohn3704 Жыл бұрын

    You should have on Coates too.

  • @alaska4joe
    @alaska4joe2 жыл бұрын

    I didn’t know Coleman is a rapper.

  • @rei18nov
    @rei18nov2 жыл бұрын

    Nice

  • @checkoutthiscar
    @checkoutthiscar Жыл бұрын

    The only human nature that I have found in studying humans is that we categorize our world. A very unfortunate offshoot of that categorization is race or an effort to put people in boxes. We all do it. But some have taken that to extremes and historically have created systems (political, social, religious, cultural) to strengthen their own box at the expense of other boxes. It is only through diversity do we hope to blur the lines of those boxes. The more people meet others, grow up with more diverse neighborhoods, more diverse workplaces, etc. will help erode the rigid boundaries of these boxes and create a more fluid society.

  • @johnwinthrop2702
    @johnwinthrop27027 ай бұрын

    coleman is such a good dude yang too gives me a little hope for the future.

  • @SB-by5mt
    @SB-by5mt2 жыл бұрын

    Andrew, Don't take your eyes off widening wealth disparities, political divisiveness and intolerance, deteriorating environmental quality, incoming AI advancements, and global democracies' vulnerabilities.

  • @ET_LWO
    @ET_LWO Жыл бұрын

    Interesting point on tribalism functionalism

  • @justinaldridge116
    @justinaldridge1162 жыл бұрын

    What does racial homogeneity have to do with violent crime? Around 40:10 Andrew suggested that racial homogeneity is somehow linked to lower violent crime rates.

  • @JockoJonson17

    @JockoJonson17

    2 жыл бұрын

    Some of the most violent cities in the world are fairly racially homogeneous.

  • @Haunt1994

    @Haunt1994

    2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe he meant homogeneous culturally or socially? Idk

  • @velocirshtr3756
    @velocirshtr37562 жыл бұрын

    Do show a discussing Political Power versus Cultural Power. The latter seems too vague, and will be helpful if we can have a set of definitions and parameters to help break that down. But glad this was brought up, which should be discussed about more.

  • @phatos_says
    @phatos_says Жыл бұрын

    *Cough* So....back when I worked for Yang on his presidential campaign, he deliberately refused to follow back Coleman Hughs on Twitter because it was considered "too controversial" by certain members of our staff. It was one of the most idiotic, lame, and spineless things I ever saw him do...and there were MANY.

  • @filmjazz

    @filmjazz

    Жыл бұрын

    I recently saw a promo video for Yang’s latest political drive (or was it a new party?) and I believe this was shown on Jimmy Sore’s show. He seems to be terrified to actually state a position on anything. It was very strange, tbh.

  • @chickenfishhybrid44
    @chickenfishhybrid442 жыл бұрын

    His Trump point couldn't have been said better.

  • @SuperZorgus
    @SuperZorgus Жыл бұрын

    This dude is just fucking awesome!

  • @noslomoe8271
    @noslomoe8271 Жыл бұрын

    They are 100% correct. You don't need just to call people "deplorable" to show them that you have contempt for these voters. Every time a Democrat looks at a declining economy and says, "This really hurts minorities"...no it doesn't...it hurts everyone and this race-hustler should be rejected from the first minute.

  • @voice_from_pizza
    @voice_from_pizza Жыл бұрын

    The Quillette essays were so well done I purchased a red hoodie in response. Bright red in 2019 was not a popular color, unless you voted for a certain guy, or played on any number of sports teams. You see this just by going out and walking around, still. You wear bright red and, kinda often, get a strong reaction from strangers (especially in super Dem Connecticut parts, where I live.) Weird social things are palpable. Branding is real. The Forward Party should do some tasteful bleach dye merch (like my custom hoodie) to reclaim psychedelic from the backwards minded “hippies” who hate nuclear and Amazon. Remember when all the neocons were all about drugs and dressing like hipsters? It was a good PR move. FWD take notice.

  • @williamlathan6932
    @williamlathan69322 жыл бұрын

    When we say AI is coming, do you mean Corporate Owned AI. The rest of us can create our own AI.

  • @jpkaneshida242
    @jpkaneshida242 Жыл бұрын

    Notice how real these 2 are? Ergo, diametrically opposed to politicians, c suite elists (or any kind of elitists)….

  • @paigemccormick6519
    @paigemccormick6519 Жыл бұрын

    Will UBI never die?

  • @msubasic64
    @msubasic642 жыл бұрын

    On UBI. There have to be concerns around fraud with identity theft and the smartness of criminal hackers. Do you see a trade off of privacy needed to implement UBI?

  • @velocirshtr3756

    @velocirshtr3756

    2 жыл бұрын

    We do not have privacy. We have the illusion of privacy.

  • @ET_LWO
    @ET_LWO Жыл бұрын

    📡

  • @jasonnoecwiasntlvliiutptmt8969
    @jasonnoecwiasntlvliiutptmt8969 Жыл бұрын

    .....thank gawd another well mannered uncle POC can help voice the toils of the ruling race..... Whatever will we do if the world becomes equal?... OH NO!

  • @dprestons0318
    @dprestons03182 жыл бұрын

    In actual experience, color blindness never happens. Ok, but this is not a critique of color blindness. People who support color-blindness are happy to agree to this statement. In fact, it is part of the very definition of any ideal that its pure form is not found in experience. Moreover, if we apply the criticism "it never happens in experience" to all ideals, then what we have is nihilism because nothing that is ideal is ever going to be found in our experience. Again, this is true by definition, and in that sense, is hardly a meaningful statement. Color blindness is a sort regulative ideal (see Kant). If we posit it as goal, the it will regulate our experience and our behavior in ways that make us better. Because of unconscious forces, affective biases and other forms of self-deception, may never find pure honestly in experience, but it is an ideal worth striving for, as is color-blindness. But I cannot believe that this criticism---in actual experience or practice things like color-blindness (or neutrality which i have written on) are not possible---is allowed to stand. In these discussions, we need to get clear on what an ideal is before people start hammering away.

  • @purdysanchez
    @purdysanchez Жыл бұрын

    I'm hoping that Andrew abruptly cutting off the discussion about political racism towards white people means that he's just being shrewd because he plans on running again in 2024.

  • @DB-jq5en
    @DB-jq5en Жыл бұрын

    Coleman thinks 99% of the time race doesn't matter, it's interesting how you will never hear a sociologist or psychologist making that claim. How many psychology or sociology books has he read to come to this conclusion, my bet is zero. Listen to Jordan Peterson's interview with John McWhorter where Jordan a PHD psychologist admits that all groups of people (white, black, asian, etc) have a preference for their inner group and to a degree are a bit racist.

  • @beginnersguide4556
    @beginnersguide45562 жыл бұрын

    I think generation Z is emotionally immature because of the lack of human interaction./ We need to teach middle school kids about financial awareness and stop traumatizing people./ 🎨Color will never define who you are. There will always be racism if you want ( Culture ) - NOT Violence! It's sad to know most people will never even be able to leave there own state for Culture./ If Republicans cared about life they would care about the Earth🌏🌎🌍 but No. Baby's make money./ I think we're up for a ( WORLD Recession ) in 2 to 5 years. Ukraine was not able to plant this years crops because of Putin. There will be a food shortage next year + with or without Putin. Ukraine is also 50% of the World Food Program. How can we still have 3 word country's when we have space travel? ☯It's Evolution or Revolution Baby☮

  • @Nphen
    @Nphen Жыл бұрын

    First red flag came when he said he wrote for Quillette. A publication known to host marginal talent simply because what those people are saying goes against "the liberal narrative" in some way or another. I clicked through to read one of his articles, one from April 2020 questioning whether or not systemic racism was a factor in black community C19 deaths. After broadly determining that no, racism isn't a factor, because white people have certain diseases they die of at higher rates than others, he goes on to state that: "black Americans are less likely to have access to high-quality health care, and are more likely to live in areas that are served by over-burdened hospitals and emergency-response services," which by most people's standards, are factors of systemic racism. But not to Coleman Hughes. He goes on to say that the only reason to focus on race were if a genetic factor would be discovered. That's not the argument that systemic racism is making though! The argument is that the lack of services in the first place (something Coleman admits is a problem) *is* the evidence of the systemic racism. I'm glad I decided to do some research. The fact that Mr. Hughes didn't discuss the content of his articles was a second red flag. I can see now why he didn't expound on his arguments. Not listening to the remaining hour and 14 mins of this. Do better, Yang.

  • @afterthesmash

    @afterthesmash

    Жыл бұрын

    If "systemic racism" only means racism that exists within a system, it's an entirely vacuous concept. With enough scrutiny applied, _all_ human drama exists within the system of the thing, for any thing, name your thing-come on down, you're the next contestant on The Thing is Wrong. I've been studying systems theory my entire adult life-and not just within the traditional STEM context, but also within the human context, what I tend to refer to as "wet" systems, referencing "wetware" aka the human mind as embodied in the human brain (at least for those of us who persist in the unfashionable view that the mind and brain have a tight relationship). So, some people who have never studied systems as such seem to have fallen into the naive position that any phenomena that exists within a system is thereby a "systemic" phenomena. Back in the 1960s, the hippies used to complain about "The Man". But that proved inconvenient in activist postmodernism, because you might be impertinently asked "what man, precisely?" (aka person, in Reformed Newspeak). So "The System" has moved into the jargon to displace this old-fashioned and annoying interaction. First of all, The System is pervasive. For any thing _x,_ there is the system of _x._ You can even have systems of systems (in fact, it's almost impossible not to). That's the first bonus. You never have to stop to ask yourself if "The System" is in play for any issue, because it's _always_ in play by definition. High vacuity index, but extremely low think-before-you-speak hazard rating. Second, The System is universally imperfect. Even a system that's very nearly perfect for its 15 minutes of near-Goldilocks perfection soon suffers from social evolution bitrot. All human systems are in a state of extreme flux at all times. We actually have an accepted name in management culture for this minor factoid: human development. It's related to aging, which is the younger generation's least favourite concept, so we'll press forward with no further comment. Third, The System has analytic superposition. You see, any part of a system that you focus into-any chosen conspicuous part which demonstrates a clear defect or deficiency (they all do, almost always)-can be rectified by a sensible justice-oriented intervention, with no consideration for how the analytic microcosm overlaps with hundreds or thousands of other concurrent systemic effects. You see, it all works out regardless. Because right-thinking interventions here never spill over into wrong-thinking interventions there. We actually do have something that resembles analytic superposition in hard systems theory on the STEM side of the systems fence. It's called linear time-invariant theory (LTI), and it underlies all the black magic of signal processing in the electrical domain. It's the entire reason why Javelin missiles consistently strike Russian tanks. Without LTI, the math would otherwise surely be too difficult to solve. Frequency domain analysis has this magic property that all frequencies can coexist in the same space-time locality-going off madly in all directions simultaneously-with no mutual interference. (There _is_ a phenomena called dispersion which smudges the effect of all those signals into that horrible mess of brown watercolors you experienced in grade school, but that's not actually due to interference.) With considerable effort, you can _arrange_ for interference by means of non-linear optical components. You study physics at a high level for a _long_ time before you manage to devise a non-linear optical component that can be usefully applied in the real world. Check out the "Stark effect" on Wikipedia, named after Johannes Stark, who discovered the effect in 1913. I don't know how this works myself, because when I see the names Lorentz, Schwarzschild, Pauli, and Schrödinger my eyes glaze over with visions of hard mathematical slogging in one of the deepest salt mines known to graduate-school education. So I skip past the daunting STEM motherlode to the applications section where I encounter this sentence: _The Stark effect is at the basis of the spectral shift measured for voltage-sensitive dyes used for imaging of the firing activity of neurons._ (cont.)

  • @afterthesmash

    @afterthesmash

    Жыл бұрын

    (cont.) Big squishy question: Do _any_ wet systems exhibit anything like the magical analytic superposition that underlies LTI theory? Yes and no-but mostly no. It turns out that on this side of the fence analytic superposition is almost entirely a social construct. For example, the market model of macroeconomics. One of the rarely spoken assumptions in the mathematics of market economics is stable preference. This means that the market agents rarely change their mind much about what they are tying to accomplish and how to best get there, which effectively means that they subsume their own growth trajectory-before they get there. You can only have stable preference for a growth process that never throws a curve ball, never catches you by surprise, never forces an unplanned come-to-Jesus moment in your life plan. For the most part, so far as I've yet been able to discover, a great many proposed interventions promulgated by Social Justice Theory are not even at the level of market economics. In this area of economics, the top guys are sometimes seen to admit their central dubious assumption. I have the following quote from Gary Becker and George Stigler in my files concerning their paper "De Gustibus Non Est Disputandum" (1977): _Our title seems to us to be capable of another and preferable interpretation: that tastes neither change capriciously nor differ importantly between people. On this interpretation one does not argue over tastes for the same reason that one does not argue over the Rocky Mountains-both are there, will be there next year, too, and are the same to all men._ Obviously that's a total crock. But the math would simply be too hard to perform without this assumption, so you either double down and do the math, or you undouble down and wash your hands while continuing to flap your gums, entirely bereft of equations. Some view this as progress, others don't. I've never seen even this much of an accurate confession from the Social Justice camp, but perhaps I have not yet tried hard enough (aka run enough 4.4-second 40-yard dashes on the Sisyphean treadmill of Google search). Philosophically, the "systemic" position of Social Justice seems to be that the transition from "is" to "ought" (referencing Hume's is-ought problem) is hardly ever perilous. Injustice is entirely amenable to the greedy algorithm of slapping down whatever comes to your attention first, in any order whatsoever. In my experience, this never works when debugging a large software system, but perhaps human systems are less difficult than large software systems. But somehow I doubt this, so I've adopted the curmudgeonly perspective that it is isn't a system worth talking about until you can point to a vexing multiplicity of spillover effects for any proposed intervention, some of which are potentially non-linear, and sometimes in a big way. This puts me at odds with those on the Social Justice side of the fence who use the appellation "systemic injustice" to imply-more or less-that the desired collective response to any form of inequity in a power structure is damn obvious (and not a single _x_ needs to be inscribed on a chalk board to adduce this). Furthermore, all these answers live in this magical "woke" space, where once true, forever true (rarely ever a property of a system with an internal growth dynamic, but perhaps I'm splitting hairs). Dr Suess-level systemic injustice: Many black people live in areas relatively underserved by hospitals. Yeah, and so what? Could be a lot of reasons, including black preferences for larger family structures, and a higher priority placed on religious institutions rather than secular institutions. Hardcore systemic injustice: redlining and blacklisting. As originally practiced, it's not even clear they were entirely legal back in the 1960s, though this certainly didn't much impede its conduct until decades later. This kind of injustice is ubiquitous in the whole of human history (we fantasize about its absence mainly concerning paleolithic cultures which lack incriminatory written records). The only cultures in human history that even _talk_ about restitution for this kind of thing are the (mostly) post-colonial, affluent G20 countries; perhaps you have a ready counter-example, which I suspect is predominantly agrarian because, you know, what ails the globally interconnected supply chains that now feed 8 billion people (most of the time) could be put right in a heartbeat by lost wisdom of the agrarian era, that was once thick on the ground-if only we would open our ears and listen, instead of training our best and brightest to tame the Stark effect to the broad benefit of all future neuromedicine.

  • @Nphen

    @Nphen

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm responding to let you know that no, I am not the strawman you think I am. I don't consider the "social justice movement" to have good ideas on race relations or corporate "DEI" culture to be a useful endeavor. Your "only the G20 postcolonial nations see reparations and human rights as moral duties" bit is not the flex you think it is. Of course our civilization should advance beyond tribal & factional ingroup/outgroup mentality and create social systems which ensure food, housing, medicine, and education for all. While also acknowledging the responsibilities which undergird those rights. I don't see why you're calling on the social shaming and shunning done in ancient societies as some defense of modern racism. It's merely more evidence that humans must evolve our society beyond the brutal inequities of the past. I don't fetisihize agrarian societies, I wonder at the use of modern technology to make life better in both industrial & agrarian settings. There are people in Africa, India, and elsewhere who mix modern technology with ancient ways and create amazing permaculture farming which restores land while providing just as much food as chemical agriculture. In fact, chemical row-crop agriculture in the West is hindered by the US government hemp ban. Hemp's protein & profit per acre is much higher than hemp or soy. There's ample evidence of historic racism. No single actor inside of a system that's designed for racist outcomes has to be racist in order for that system to perpetuate race-based outcomes. Even things which are not overtly racist, such as single-family zoning, disproportionately harm black families. The cures don't have to do anything with "woke culture" they can be technical, such as basic income, reparations, AI-based loan approval, or nationalized insurance rates & single payer health care. A lot of these "fixes" will end up helping poor and even middle class white families and of course people of all races, as socialist policy tends to do. I'm all for new medicine and neuromedicine. There are wonder surgeries, supplements, and medicines on the market today which most people around the world cannot afford. One more new technique that's out-of-reach for the masses is not going to solve nearly as many problems as getting food, energy, basic medicine, and sanitation to the people who need it.

  • @thedestroexperience6273

    @thedestroexperience6273

    Жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately, no one listening to this nonsense will read the knowledge you’re speaking. Thank you for your common sense. The world needs more.

  • @donnacribb5712
    @donnacribb571210 ай бұрын

    Ee own our children government does not know what's best for them

  • @Because_Reasons
    @Because_Reasons2 жыл бұрын

    Gotta love how Andrew Yang just completely ignores Coleman's comments on Dave's race baiting... Weak politician BS.

  • @DB-jq5en
    @DB-jq5en Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like Coleman hasn't given any thought on how to improve the lives of black people.

  • @LeeHoFooks
    @LeeHoFooks3 ай бұрын

    Yang laughs at odd times.

  • @Because_Reasons
    @Because_Reasons2 жыл бұрын

    Also, how do you spend an entire podcast speaking about politics, philosophy, democracy and unity and don't even mention the elephant in the room.... Social media... Technocracy... Outrage programming!

  • @DavesGuitarPlanet
    @DavesGuitarPlanet Жыл бұрын

    Yang is a likable guy, but not the greatest communicator. He says "like" too much, for example (which hardly makes him seem presidential). And, as I'm sure he's heard before, there's something odd about his half-hysterical laugh--almost like a nervous tic. I've liked Coleman since he started. Just heard his rap song, "Blasphemy." Strange that a guy as eloquent as him feels a need to stoop to ebonics and cursing to say the same thing he says far better on his podcast.

  • @yes_haha
    @yes_haha2 жыл бұрын

    Yang is a bit weird here

  • @coreysmith3438
    @coreysmith34382 жыл бұрын

    How bout if you make poverty level money, you don’t have to pay utilities. Free basic needs of electric/water/gas/trash/Wi-Fi could go a long way for the poorest, wouldn’t cost nearly $1000/month, and you know the money given couldn’t be wasted and eventually not get back into the hands of the most wealthy.

  • @BodyMusicification

    @BodyMusicification

    2 жыл бұрын

    It probably wouldn't be too different than welfare programs in terms of waste in administration, missing out on some people who could use the help, and incentivising remaining in poverty to retain the benefits. It's much simpler, more efficient, and just to give everyone the resources to succeed be it a universal basic income or perhaps a state-owned internet service or utilities provider

  • @bradtaylor77
    @bradtaylor772 жыл бұрын

    Finally a decent guest.

  • @ET_LWO
    @ET_LWO Жыл бұрын

    Yeah. Let’s just get literate enough to see the bigots

  • @joeldanker-dake9414
    @joeldanker-dake94142 жыл бұрын

    "You can't fully purify the human mind." There's one way. Romans 12:2 NLT "Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect." Galatians 5:17-25 NLT 17 The sinful nature wants to do evil, which is just the opposite of what the Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are the opposite of what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, so you are not free to carry out your good intentions. 18 But when you are directed by the Spirit, you are not under obligation to the law of Moses. 19 When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God. 22 But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things! 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. 25 Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives.

  • @Critic_number_4
    @Critic_number_4 Жыл бұрын

    He is so unimpressive.

  • @Drixidamus

    @Drixidamus

    Жыл бұрын

    By what metric? Compared to who?

  • @TheParadox_
    @TheParadox_2 жыл бұрын

    Oh so Colman Hughes is now considered “forward?” Lol. ok