I can't believe i'm saying this, but i like their design, though, i still prefer the ICMM units ( even though i never saw or rode them because i'm from another part of the globe ).

@therealdutchidiot

Жыл бұрын

For me, especally the ICM (pre-refit) was my absolute favourite. It was always amazig to watch trainsets connect. The ICmm is worse in many ways, not just because they shut the heads, but because they changed the bogies, making it move much rougher over the rails.

I think the ICNG has comfortable seats, they're better than I thought they would be. But it's indeed a bit tight. There isn't much room to walk between the seats, especially in 2nd class. Hight is also an issue, I have to watch out in places so I don't hit me head against something. Last the beeping sound of the door opening / closing is to loud for my taste. But overall, a promising train.

@kneonspace

Жыл бұрын

many of these reasons are due to basic ginometry, phisics and accesability constrains, if the Netherlands was allowed under EU rule tot raise platforms to 850 mm above the track these issue's could be resolved but EU law only allows for platform Heights of 750 mm or 550 mm. this causes the bogey's to come inside the train making those raised seats necessary but also making the floor to low to put equipment witch means that it was moved to above the pasenger compartments causing to low sealing. the 200 km/h top speeds also play a role i don't want to get into.

1. There are no ICE services from Rotterdam, There are ICD services. Domestic IC's operating on the HSL. + IC Brussels 2. The TRAXX's have a top speed of 220 km/h it's the rebuilt ICRMh coaches with a 160 km/h cap. 3. The reason why the TRAXX aren't fit for HSL service is because of the phase changes between both voltage and train control systems. They're more suited for freight.

@mgrides27

Жыл бұрын

With freight, you have the same issues (at least on the betuwe route), where trains also have to switch between voltage and safety systems

@stefannl_plays

Жыл бұрын

the TRAXX locos originally have a topspeed of 140kmh by default, however, the ones NS use are modified to allow speeds up to 160kmh

@lexburen5932

Жыл бұрын

frieght is not even allowed to drive on the HSL line. you would have the same problem anyway

As someone who used to frequent the station at Breda the word fyra still gives me ptsd

@obelic71

Жыл бұрын

Please use the correct name Fyasco for that abomination of railwaystock that once terrorised the Dutch and Belgian railnetwork 😈

@Niegezien

Жыл бұрын

@@obelic71 If it ever managed to get out of the station in the first place yes 😆

@markdebruyn1212

Жыл бұрын

Funny enough they are now sold to Trenitalia which doesn’t seem to have any big issues with them at all

@therealdutchidiot

Жыл бұрын

@@markdebruyn1212 Which is true, but it required major costly refits. Refits AnsaldoBreda refused to pay for, so the project was scrapped. When AnsaldoBreda went bust the company Hitachi Rail Italia who took over did pay for the refits.

ICE doesn't stop at Rotterdam...

@FlyingScott

Жыл бұрын

I misinterpreted the timetable on the NS International website and only realised the week after this video was uploaded. That leaves more room on the stamp, I guess. www.nsinternational.com/en/trains/ice-international

Fun fact , these are kept in Brunswik yards in lower saxony before being transfered to NS

The ICMm is not going out of service for a long time. The ICNG is a Replacement for the oldest of ICMm’s and the TRAXX loco’s. Two new type of intercity designs which have not been finalized and are planned to go into service in 2027 and 2030. The ICMm is planned to go out of service around 2035. So they will be enjoyable for a long time. The TRAXX loco’s with the ICR coaches will be gives to Belgium / Put on warm reserve for a while until the trains can be sold to other countries. When the ICMm goes out of service then they will most likely all be scrapped

@Thomas_TdK

Жыл бұрын

The icmm’s are long gone by 2035. In a few years the icmm’s will be replaced by the icng’s.

@KaaimanProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@Thomas_TdK yeah. Do you think that NS is going to take all of the ICMm trains out of service at once? Last time that happened it turned into a disaster. And the ICNG isn’t going into service until atleast 2024

@alexandervandenhoogen3969

Жыл бұрын

ehhhm the traxx units are leased, and the icr coaches will sadly most likely be scrapped

@mgrides27

Жыл бұрын

@@KaaimanProductions ICNG is expected to go into service sometime into 2023. By then the routes on the HSL will still be a mix of TRAXX and ICNG so normal speeds of 160 will be maintained, in 2024 the HSL should be serviced entirely by ICNG and therefore the trains can be planned with a higher speed.

Another accessibility point I noticed in this train is how you need to reach the wheelchair places. You need to maneuver between a big accessible toilet, and a baggage rack. The space between them is barely wider, if not narrower, than the average wheelchair. So good luck getting in the spot, and even better luck getting out before the doors close again. And that's in calm hours, I wouldn't want to be a wheelchair user in this train in rush hour.

@IcicleDrgon

Жыл бұрын

i feel being a wheelchair user in any train during rush hour would be a pain, especially if you're travelling between amsterdam and schiphol...

I'm wondering if there will be "dubbel dekkers" of this type. "First class for rich people" 😂😂 Very nice video! 👍🏾

@neomacawofficial3119

Жыл бұрын

No, NS ordered the CAF Civity in the same concept as the Coradia Stream dubble deck.

I remember new year's day, 2019, as if it was yesterday. Just as at 2:11, everything just turned looking old and orange. That was 4 years ago, now I feel old!

@FlyingScott

Жыл бұрын

None of the layers of that visual gag was even close to being as funny as this here comment. Well done, I tip my hat.

3:34 - that really made me laugh.

Well, if it’s going to kill Koploper, it sure is taking its sweet time doing so.

Me finding the video by accident cause I was checking your reaction to the new Hornby lion announcement

Good video man, the phrase you are looking for is '' vertically challenged '' :) .

There seems to be 1 AC outlet (good) and 1 USB-A port (bad) per 2 seats, in second class anyway. So no USB-C, and just 1 port for 2 people.

I've had never had problems with the round doors

@markusstudeli2997

Жыл бұрын

They just open annoyingly slowly. I'd prefer it if they could be also just "hand operated".

Koploper is legendarisch

It is not the killer of ICM "Koploper". ICM is riding the Dutch rail for 45 years and ICM is just to old for riding further. And ICNG is intended to replace the koploper on domestic services. This spring ICNG will star passenger service on international Amsterdam - Brussels - Amsterdam and in summer ICNG will start domestic passenger service on Amsterdam - Breda route.

Dutch people started dreaming and talking about having their own high speed train before I was born in the early seventees of the 20th century. In the late eightees the decision is made. Building starts in the early 2000's. The line opened in 2009. Crappy trains are delivered 5 years late in 2012, and only run for a month and a half. And now ten years later we get a really fast train that will probably be in service for the next 30 years. I hope I still live to see the first Dutch high speed train 😢

@markusstudeli2997

Жыл бұрын

The Alstom Coradia can hardly be called a high speed train, even in its aggressive wasp livery.

@himalayantoursmallorca611

Жыл бұрын

@@markusstudeli2997 I agree, I hope one day we do see a Dutch High Speed train, but probably not for a really long time.

@lexburen5932

Жыл бұрын

@@himalayantoursmallorca611 the dutch railways NS also doesnt really need a high speed train. distances are short. So far the HSL line in the netherlands is one big fiasco because of conflict of interests and corruption within NS and the ministry

Super Nice video! Sub +

Do SFM model locomotives clip on the rails? or do they just have to be carefully put on the rails?

@FlyingScott

2 жыл бұрын

That would be the latter option, however most tracks run in 90 degree angles so once the locos are on the tracks, they can be easily moved around.

@damer4life528

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlyingScott ah, i see , thank you!

Those old sets look like something Amtrak used to have

@KaaimanProductions

Жыл бұрын

They were loosely inspired by the North American turbotrain so yeah that makes sense

Scott is a short king?

Did you see those two steam engines going from Amsterdam to Enkhuizen?

@FlyingScott

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, went and saw them both at Dordt in Stoom already this year.

@Treinmen

2 жыл бұрын

@@FlyingScott oh ok

Traxx E186 Not German but Dutch clasification

its the icd killer i think

Why killer? ICNG was planed to replace the ICM that riding from 1977

ICNG emus are to be destroyed in my opinion, no point in replacing the traxx engines and especially the koplopers, why cant they just either make new koplopers or rebuild the koplopers?

@Thomas_TdK

Жыл бұрын

The traxx loc’s aren’t the right engine for the job they do. And the icmm’s are just to old.

God bless those ICM(m) units will be gone. Ugly things they are. Uncomfertable seats, broken intercom systems, vandalised door area's, shaky as hell.... I mean some of it is old age I admit but after the doorloopkop was removed (the thing that made this train unique), NS did nothing to compensate for a now nonfunctional head of the train but 1 single yellow plate. This made the train a eyesore to look at. But hey you know, keep complaining about annoying toiletdoors while you could have cared to mention facts like the doors finnaly being at platform hight or that this train has sockets and usb ports in second class...for the first time in a intercity. There are some valid points you made but you shouldn't just throwaway good stuff. Also I have yet to hear a single Dutch person complain about seats that are too high...

@FlyingScott

Жыл бұрын

... Is that last comment meant to question me being Dutch?

@tjeerdtrekkie1030

Жыл бұрын

@@FlyingScott No its not. But since its written in english I just wasn't sure

why you dont speak nl and do enfglish text

I started my train travelling career in the yellow version of the blue angels, the lamented hondekoppen and the not lamented apekoppen of plan v. I don't like the virm and this horrible looking icng will be with me for the rest of my natural life, driewerf bah.

@alexandervandenhoogen3969

Жыл бұрын

mat 54 is very good

Why are you always so negative?