Timestamps and Sponsors: - Brilliant: brilliant.org/TOE for 20% off - Trade Coffee: drinktrade.com/everything for $30 off your first order plus free shipping 00:00:00 Introduction 00:05:44 Iain on the "meaning crisis" 00:09:29 John on the "meaning crisis" 00:15:10 Technology amplifies our lack of wisdom 00:18:26 Rationality and Belief (Iain vs. John) 00:28:35 Imaginary vs. Imaginal 00:37:03 Non-theism vs. Religion (against meditation as spiritual redress) 00:53:38 Not doing vs. Un-doing vs. Being passive vs. Un-Knowing 01:09:22 The way God sees us vs. The way we see God 01:22:06 Sam Harris, Closing yourself off to the Divine, and Terror 01:29:20 The importance of Sangha (community), and how can John's neoplatonism work? 01:40:43 Faith, Whitehead, and Reciprocal Opening 01:47:56 Against "being present" 01:54:58 Marrying a religion 02:04:24 Should we certainly give up on certainty? 02:06:06 On not speaking and the un-making of TOE 02:08:14 John and Iain summate

@zoidfreakvoidwalker1687

Жыл бұрын

You should have Dr K. at HealthyGamerGG to talk to Verveake

@mannequinskywalker

11 ай бұрын

After watching the recent Joscha Bach interview on Lex Fridman pc, (watched all the JB TOEs too), then watching this again, I feel like Iain and Joscha need to have a TOE convo 👍🙏🏼

These two people are quite literally among the most important thinkers of this generation. The level of convergence between their respective areas of focus is remarkable. Both starting from different places and yet I think they are both describing all the features of the elephant. Cannot wait to listen to this. If there is anyone here who has not already watched 'Awakening from the Meaning Crisis' and read 'The Matter with Things' then set aside all the other meaningless things you had planned for the rest of the year and take the opportunity to change not just your life but your world. Thanks for all your hard work Curt, your channel is among the brightest beacons of light in today's seemingly endless stretch of darkness.

@flavannoyed3585

Жыл бұрын

Are they discussing the cure for cancer? Oh, they're discussing pointless nonsense?

@LS-qu7yc

Жыл бұрын

@@flavannoyed3585 why cure cancer if life isn’t worth living

@nathancurry7944

Жыл бұрын

@@flavannoyed3585 going by your comment I think it's safe to assume you either didn't listen to the conversation, or you did, but didn't understand it. Either way I hope you are able to find your way out of the fog of your own ignorance that you are lost in.

@vinceofyork

Жыл бұрын

I would also throw Bernardo Kastrup and Rupert Spira in that mix but yes, this is exactly what humanity needs to hear. What a beautiful articulation of the unexplainable.

@steveflorida8699

Жыл бұрын

@@flavannoyed3585 human nature is more than the physical body (and the "cure of cancer"), And the pursuits of peace, happiness, truth and friendships helps elevate the human condition.

Johns excitement is endearing. His lectures on meaning are incredible. In a world dominated by the Kardashian’s and materialism this content is an oxygen mask for me. Thank you all for your efforts. They are not nothing.

@floccinaucinihilipilifications

Жыл бұрын

Well said

Currently reading The Master and his Emissary. It may be the most impacful book I have ever read in the sense that it is actually changing the way that I think, or more precisely, the way that I view myself. if you haven't read it yet I would stop what you are doing and purchase it.

@jacquin8511

Жыл бұрын

True but I'm trying to finally read The Brothers Karamazov AND maintain 6+ hours sleep. Sooo.... maybe November.

@mattsapero1896

Жыл бұрын

@@jacquin8511 You need more sleep according to all scientific studies. Go for 8. Not naps.

@steveflorida8699

Жыл бұрын

@@mattsapero1896 when one takes a nap, isn't the body & mind requesting the recharging relaxation? Naps have been beneficial for me. And some studies refer it as a power nap.

@10oshii

Жыл бұрын

I fully agree.

@bonesaw6601

Жыл бұрын

@@steveflorida8699 it would depend on the level of sleep one is able to achieve during a nap.

Hands down the best podcast episode I have ever listened to. Very profound and enriching. Kurt you are becoming a master of getting the best out of your guests by withdrawing at perfect times to let the magic unfold in front of you

@thebigredwagon

Жыл бұрын

Just discovered curt. I appreciate that as a host he let these guys go at it and when he did speak it always progresses the conversation and didn’t derail it like some hosts with larger channels do at times.

@zootsoot2006

Жыл бұрын

Yep, this is what we need. Someone to bring the best minds of our day together to discuss, debate, conjecture together with a host who lets it all play out while creating the right setting for that to happen at the outset. Minds communicating together authentically and deeply is the only way we can grow as a species.

@2msvalkyrie529

Жыл бұрын

Best podcast EVER..!?!? I knew education standards had fallen in Scotland but not THAT much ! ?

John is so sweet at the end toward Iain and you can tell that Iain really appreciated John's compliments and felt true fellowship with him. These kinds of discussions give me so much hope and shine in such a way that the light falls over so much of the territory I occupy. What a gift. Thank you.

Curt, this is just unbelievable. I am a long time listener to your podcast and always really enjoy your guests (particularly the less technical ones :) but this is without doubt the most urgent, thought-provoking and pertinent discussions i've ever listened to - it's like a beautiful dance with their own rhythms and wisdom but totally complementing and bringing the best out in each other. So thank you for doing what you do, and to these absolute titans, two humble and brilliant men. how do you follow this?

God makes us victorious when we put Him in the center of our circumstances! I encourage you to hold on to this hope that nothing is impossible for God! Like so many others, I lost my job as a social worker at Forsyth Hospital because I declined the vaccine. I declined because of my pre existing health condition lupus and heart disease. I was denied my medical/religious exemption. I’m waitressing but not making nearly enough to make ends meet. I have two beautiful boys both are autistic. My husband passed away years ago. I’m all alone. Every month is a battle to not end up on the streets with my two children. I’m constantly in fear of losing my home. But even as I face homelessness seemingly every month. I have faith, God will provide. He always shows up in the nick of time. With GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE when you put him first. Please pray for me and my children. God bless.

@martinzarathustra8604

Жыл бұрын

How so? Victory is a propositional statement. Talk about not understanding anything that was just spoken.

@eswn1816

Жыл бұрын

@@martinzarathustra8604 How callous... "victory" is overcoming in the face of incredible challenges... it is highly participatory... I find the testimony incredibly human and inspiring. 🙏

This is honestly one of my favorites of TOE.. controversy and debate not needed when truth and expansive ideas are being discussed and explored

@F--B

Жыл бұрын

I found the lack of debate disappointing. They clearly disagree in some core issues, but were too polite to directly address them. We are poorer for it.

Wow Curt I am so impressed with the caliber of guests you manage to bring on, amazing work my friend!

Iain McGilchrist. Never get tired of him and his books. This was an interesting way to better understand Vervaeke though. I liked the bouncing back and forth. Great discussion

Curt you are making my dreams come true. If I was the king of the universe one of my first orders of business would be a conversation between these two. I am so grateful to you brother. Please keep it up.

Wonderful conversation. So great to hear these two talking together again! Thanks for hosting this, Curt! And thanks for the shout out 😉

You exercised brilliant restraint and let the fountain of knowledge flow. Incredible pairing and incredible job done, big dawg

Two of the greatest minds of our time converging at a time when it's needed the most. Thank you TOE for facilitating this conversation

"The personal mind is always recirculating old information and trying to organize new information according to the old information. So it speculates about the future without seeing the future. And it speculates about the past without knowing the past. For all it knows is its ideas about the future and the past, which may have nothing to do with the future and the past at all." _Living The Way of Knowledge » Chapter 10: Being Present in the World_

@LevyCarneiro

Жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks for this passage. Marshall Vian Summers' books always amaze me with their wisdom.

@johnchapman5125

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing.

A lovely conversation between these two. I have many things to take away and ponder on. Thank you Curt for hosting this 🤍🌼

I can’t wait for Vervaeke to have a conversation with Iain once he’s actually read the new book as till then so much is a surface conversation. And Curt too. Both are very busy but so many of their conversations could be illuminated further via what Mcgilchrist explores in his new book.

Thanks for this episode, Curt. What a treat to see these two in conversation.

I knew these two together would lead to a great conversation because they seek understanding rather than being in some kind of competition.

Two of my favourites, can’t wait to hear this

You are facilitation beautiful conversations inside our universe my friend. Can't wait to see what comes out of this. Plus accessible to the general public, leveling up global consciousness one video at a time. Enlightenement has never been easier. Love.

2years after seeing these two talk together for the first time on Rebel Wisdom this was a nice surprise. Thanks Curt, John, and Iain

I think it's useful to think of meaning as that feeling of 'this is worth it.' Yes, it usually comes with some understanding of 'things' - some "aha, so THAT's why it's this way," but meaning is more than just understanding. The feeling of 'meaning' is when you are emotionally affected by such understanding such that you see life as beautiful again, and that underlying warm 'this is beautiful and worth it' sensation you get is what we're all yearning for - a feeling in our body which reminds us that yes, the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune are worth it. It's the feeling we hope/believe will accompany our versions of success, and it's the feeling we think will come with the right relationship. We need to understand we can cultivate that feeling first (paying attention to body sensation, mindfulness - conscious focus on anything non-verbal shuts down the thinking mind and the appreciative mind comes out) and then the person we are while under the influence of meaning is the best version of ourselves. It's that simple. Not easy. Everything in life will make you want to go back to thinking and planning and expecting. But where would the 'relief' of "ah, it's all worth it after all" come from if we'd not experienced the anxiety of "is it all worth it?" beforehand? That's why we love stories. Because our life is a story of forgetting and then remembering again the simple, deep truths. And the fundamental pleasure that comes from that.

I was looking forward to another conversation between these two great thinkers. Thanks for making it happen.

I'm so grateful for this! I'm in Brazil but thanks to initiatives like this one I can have access to truly enlightening ideas from some of the greatest thinkers of our time! Thank you so much Curt ☺️

The problem I have really is applicability. Buddhism actually tackles everything they're talking about and offers a practical way to realize Iain's and John's idealized way of being.

@zootsoot2006

Жыл бұрын

Right, in much more grounded terms. I don't understand why we need thinkers like this to reiterate age-old wisdom, but I guess that's the way it's got to be. I only hope they spur people to the source ideas than to muddy the waters as they do on occasion. There is no road or path to follow, only the abandonment of all roads and paths.

@VeritableVagabond

Жыл бұрын

@@zootsoot2006 I'm really happy that you replied as I'm glad to know I'm not alone. I absolutely agree. I appreciate their intelligence for sure. But, I really wonder, what do they practice? How do they actualize this way of being for themselves beyond contemplation?

@dalefavier2949

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I sometimes think assembling a new "ecology of practices" is a fool's errand: there's not really anything missing in the major Buddhist ones! On the other hand, I've gradually given up participating in Buddhist communities, because I feel like the cosmological and philosophic infrastructure is just too hard to buy into. (Evan Thomson's "Why I am not a Buddhist" pretty much speaks for me.) Some sort of "reformed" Buddhism might work for me, but I don't see it happening, at least in my neck of the woods.

@VeritableVagabond

Жыл бұрын

@@dalefavier2949 I hear that. I stay away from the cosmology and focus on practice (8 fold path) If you ever want to give a community a try (online), I recommend Dharmechanics or Sit-Heads

Curt, I want to highlight your point about sampling religion outside of its original, embedded cultural context. It's akin to eating smorgasbord-style and what might be missing, in either case, is the meta/vertical causality factor, since none of us is able to be profoundly aware of a culture in which we haven't lived for a considerable time. Thus, as you alluded, we run the risk of missed-taken meaning-making due to inadequate contextual nuance. This is highly relevant in this discussion because how can we discern what is true when we are being flooded with information and our traditional, legacy religions' wisdom is being offered smorgasbord-style? Meanwhile, the legacy religions in their own cultural contexts are themselves being reshaped as the participants within their community reinterpret their tradition in light of their own smorgasbord experiences. It may serve the discussion here to return to "the way". One of my theology professors liked to say "we are in a relationship with Truth; none of us possesses the Truth". So, then, perhaps the key lies in our disposition, our posture toward this relationship. And we look for, and find, meaning in the relationship itself. Then it may not be of great consequence whether we walk for a time on the Buddhist path, the Christian path, or the religion-that-is-no-religion path. Perhaps it is that we have undertaken the journey itself, and disposed ourselves to welcoming the stranger, engaging faithfully in the process of becoming, that will make our hearts leap in recognition of Truth when we meet it. I am in deep appreciation for you creating the time and space for this discussion Curt; thank you.

The process in which these two mind merge is delightful to witness and take part in. I was looking forward to this discussion and it surpassed my expectations, to an extent that is difficult to overstate. Thank you Curt, thank you so much. Looking forward to part two

This combination is great, they embody what i have wanted to do in recent years, except for actually getting out there and providing a coherent story. Every part of this is good and needs to be heard.

You’re pod is infinitely better than JRE could ever be

Another gift. Thank you for the wisdom and humility you've passed to us all. Really wonderful job Curt.

When these men have a hard time engaging with the others perspective or with limitations but are motivated by a sense of duty, they do a service to us all. Love these

“God” and “being” are one. Being denotes the minimal *and* maximal property (relation), process (operation), and product (object).

@martinzarathustra8604

Жыл бұрын

That is not what the Bible says.

@Godzillacock

Жыл бұрын

@@martinzarathustra8604 "Be still and know I am God"

@martinzarathustra8604

Жыл бұрын

@@Godzillacock Which God is that?

@Godzillacock

Жыл бұрын

@@martinzarathustra8604 psalms 46:10

@martinzarathustra8604

Жыл бұрын

@@GodzillacockWhich God is that?

"Meaning is something we FIND, not makeup" YES so much fukin YES

Wow! Cool! Can we get one with Vervaeke and Huberman on daily practices and anagogue? Would be nice to align biological and cognitive side of wisdom cultivation practices.

@christopherhamilton3621

Жыл бұрын

That’s a jolly good cross-pollination idea, Richard. Agree.

@peten5426

Жыл бұрын

Co-sign. I remember in Huberman's episode with Dr. Anna Lembke they discussed, although not in these terms, the reciprocal narrowing experienced by the addict and the anagogic ascent as a means out of the addiction. I emailed Dr. Huberman at the time pointing out the convergence with Vervaeke although not sure if he actually saw it.

@b.melakail

Жыл бұрын

Nice

@lievenyperman9363

Жыл бұрын

Excellent suggestion.

Great podcast, have appreciated both speakers independently and it was a joy to hear the convergence. Thanks to all 🙏

Thank you Iian, John and Curt, a wonderful conversation gentlemen, peace.

Kurt, John and Ian…..the best example of passive receptivity is to be found in the Theotokos (the God bearer). I could say a lot more about this symbolically but essentially she responds to the Sacred with “Let it be unto me.”

@davidbates9358

Жыл бұрын

Are not women, creation made flesh, and therefore the God bearer? Creation used to be a valid term for our experience of the Cosmos, yet the need of standing back from the reality of creation in order to understand it sees us standing on the threshold of a Utopic Dream that only informed, adaptive realizations can enable us to grasp. Will Generation Alpha return to the innocence experience of the Nazarene by using the exraoridinary power of their smartphones to resolve the conscious paradox of our consensus-reality perceptions ?

@2b-coeur

Жыл бұрын

hi shari!! 'fiat' i was thinking once about how isn't that famous line from genesis 'fiat lux' too

@shari6063

Жыл бұрын

@@2b-coeur hi Abigail! Serendipitous!

Truly indelible guidance inner life and relationships are benefiting immediately from Dr. McGilchrist . Thank you TOE

I love how Mr McGilchrist and Mr Verveke get along so well, they feelblike very good friends

Something very sweet about Iain wearing wired headphones.

Great to see McGilchrist brimming to profess. The conversation here pops with moments of clarity. Learning from this.

I knew Ian was going there and he did @1:12. "..Perhaps, asking how we bring it about is not a good question." That's right because once you codify or reify it you've lost the indefinable essence, the divine Lila (play). As much as John is interesting, he is far too (unconsciously but humorously so) left brain compartmentalized.

As an architect/spatial designer I want to say something about time, space and how it relates to beauty, meaning and wellbeing. Time can be understood as the experience of relationship between events in our mind and space as the experience of relationship between things in our perception (J.Klein, F.Lucille, R.Spira). Time and space thus share a similar structure in their definition. That’s why we can use the same ‘tools’ like composition, harmony, structure, rithm, … for music (1D time) as well as for spatial design/architecture (3D space). By using composition, structure, harmony we can meta-consciously add more relationships into music and spatial design. The more relationships we add, the more meaningful we experience a piece of music (e.g. Bach sonate) or a spatial experience (e.g. Medieval cathedral) to be. So meaningful music as well as meaningful spatial design is saturated with internal relationships. This clustered relationship is somewhat recognizable as patterned and we intuitively experience it as meaningful or beautiful. And if we in the moment meta-consciously can reflect at the moment of experiencing beauty we describe this as the feeling of well-being. The Summum bonum of relationship itself in space and time is Dimensionless Silence; the no-thing which relates to all-things. This point is infinitesimally small, the singularity we know as I, the HereNow who you are.

We are one 1 consciousness experiencing ITSELF subjectively. I don’t think there’s a more concise TOE.

Oh I loved this! Thank you all ever so much 🙏🏻

Great conversation. So excited. I had been waiting and hoping these two teachers would speak together. :))

dont know if I’m energized or exhausted … wow Curt, a huge thank you for arranging this one! When I found your channel a year ago most of the topics were so far away from anything I could follow/understand but somehow I’d go back just to enjoy you trying to unpack things and, if I was lucky, even pick up some stuff. But in the last few months, it’s not just that you bring on people I admire for ages but you even pair them up as I would imagine myself if I’d dare to imagine such dialogues :D Had to say something, this conversation was phenomenal, thank you wholeheartedly!

@gillcoombs9855

Жыл бұрын

I found John exhausting! I appreciate his knowledge and excitement, yet I felt he often interrupted, sometimes jumped in too quickly on Iain - I wanted a moment to digest what had been said, but those moments never came. That, I suppose, is the joy of books...

You and your work are such an incredible gift to the world. Thank you so much for that.

This is, if not thee, certainly one of the most valuable and necessary conversations for our time.

This was incredible, in my mind the two profoundest thinkers of the moment. That I am aware of anyway. I also love their clear joy at talking to each other, the joy of encountering another mind of similar of profundity and scope. The way they finish each others points, and know each others references. Its wonderful.

@2msvalkyrie529

Жыл бұрын

Fools seldom differ : as the old saying goes . Which intellectual giants will be on next. ? Graham Hancock ?? Uri Geller ?

54:38 Love Iain's moment of joyful laughter. Uncharacteristic of his typical serious minded demeanor, I would say.

Hello again from Ireland,Curt...l like your/the idea of texting, please let us know how it went next month...another wonderful podcast thanks to you, guests and crew

Very wholesome and brilliant minds. Thank you for making this conversation happen and bringing them together

Absolutely brilliant! Two great minds unfolding and converging at such a deep level. So exciting to witness. Great facilitating and questions, Kurt! 10/10 👏👏👏

John Verwaeke’s description of rationality as proper proportioning of your consciousness, character , attention is so key..

Loved this talk so much!! Thank you! 🖤

Thanks for setting up these amazing conversations!

2:00:36 ~ 2:03:50 That's such an absurdly profound way of talking about the sacred. Whenever I need some guidance about this topic, I will return to this moment and try to reflect about this way of thinking.

00:09:29 John's opening remark on the "meaning crisis" is 🔥🔥🔥

"Technology doesn't answer any questions. All it does is enlarge our powers to alter things. And that's only as good as our wisdom about what needs altering and in what way and to what end." ~ Iain McGilchrist This must be taught at every school, in every grade, forever.

This was a very uplifting and enlightening conversation. Thank you to all involved.

One of the words that i would propose is "attunement"...we have to have a certain knowledge to recognize what is worth attuning to... you also have to have an attitude of receptiveness to attune to things worthwhile.... you must be actively vigilant and pay attention to key experiences as well as ready to deploy the appropriate response required when the call is heard... so this word attunement is one that i feel sort of describes what wise people try to cultivate...the ability to attune properly to the meaningful unfoldment of life. And this "way" is not like a hard path we walk.... we must rather i think learn to swim in a vast ocean.... which can indeed be discomfiting to most people.

"Spiritual not religious " is the slogan I dislike the most... it's like the person hasn't really looked into religion and just going off what they hear 2nd hand

1:02:42 i feel crippled in these forums because i can neither link to ideas that support my words OR add pictures that add context, so im stuck with my own dyslexicly expressed text; the uncarved block; the shepherd; the gardener; the STEWARD that God made us into (and somehow got distorted into "master" along the way) is an act of SUBMISSION. you release yourself into the flow state; it is fundamentally an act of trust and letting go, of not being "in control". i think in the 'olden dayz" they called it: "walking in the Light of God", and i can tell you from experience that it is truly the most wonderful state of being, surpassing drugs, and orgasm, and accomplishment by a very large margin

At 1:12:00 the lights finally came on for me. I understand now why relationships can be so challenging. Seeing it the way John described it makes sense now.

Wonderful conversation. Your ideas are gifts. Thank you.

Waiting for this eagerly!

very gratefull for your time, thank-you

Oof! I’m reading the matter with things at the moment and every paragraph is like a bomb.

@curtjaimungal

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad!

2:07:34 I don't know why this last part made think of my late father. What are we loosing by trying and scientifically explain a miracle?

Two of my favorite scholars! Although I often feel like I can’t keep up with their intellect, I very much enjoy listening

great convo. much more respect and gratitude to Iain

Curt....respect...always. 🙏 Such a pleasure listening to you gentlemen. Thank you.

This is going to be better than game of thrones and Amazon of the rings! How odd is that?

Great dialog! Great conversation!

Thankyou. I'm a philosopher. So, thanks, to what you achieved with these two tremendous people. Sorry, three.

I think the problem Vervaeke will always face is that a religious tradition is necessarily limited - it defines certain no-go areas - but science, as we currently understand it is necessarily limitless - it must be able to go anywhere. Thus a "free" science cannot be contained within, and will always be hostile to, a religious tradition.

The answer to Ian’s question around 1:12:30 has been addressed by Hinduism. It is called the “Vishnu sahasranaman”. Look it up.

51:40 "Reading the kama sutra and never making Love, what's the point?" 🤣, best integrative metaphor for left and right hemisphere.

As a regular viewer of both these wonderful thinkers, this was wonderful to see them together! I hope there's another round coming!

Curt! One can only appreciate, thanks a bunch for your Work.

Remarkable. Thank you for bringing these two together. I am starting to suspect that subjecting myself to this kind of philosophical introspection does somehow bring more flow into my day to day consciousness.

Bringing these two remarkable thinkers together was a great idea. Thank you Curt. A combo of Diana Pasulka and John Vervaeke would also be very interesting, I think.

Great conversation. Thank you!

Came here from a Chris lehto video. Looking forward to your content.

I am glad McGilchrist distances himself from environmental concerns (45:43). The documentary about his earlier book, The Master and his Emissary, made the mistake of linking his ideas with environmentalism in its conclusion. It made for an easy ending, but was entirely beside the point.

Waow... Thanks you so much Curt, Iain & John ! This was wonderful & deeply nourishing. Big Love !

I kinda wish they'd approached the way they disagree on idealism as an ontology. Or at least their difference in confidence. Iain as I understand it is quite bold in putting mind at the seat of reality whereas John avoids saying such things explicitly.

Very verbose but extremely interesting nonetheless. I have personally found that limiting my intake for my body is helping clear my mind and feelings immensely. I have been needing less and subsequently DOING more. I feel I have flipped 180 degrees to head in the opposite direction to that which I was formerly heading in and, as such, things have become quieter within me and less demanding but more productive. I love this conversation and especially have deep respect for Iain because his mind seems to work similarly to my own. Always a good thing to be able to connect with the thoughts of such intelligent people. Thank you both.

John is completely off around @30.00. Imagination is not something that cannot be cultivated through intentional practice or the practices facilitated by another, no more so than Wordsworth or any other great poetic imagination (and here instead of the coinage imagination I will use the Greek word, enthousiasmous, Inspiration) and flights of fancy. Why? Because we are precisely talking about shifting to the right emotional-intuitive brain (that is beneath the words - from which all great works of poetry, art, music come from) not the rational imaginative utilitarian left (e.g., as in "How do I put into practice").

Thank you for another great discussion!

Where can I get early access to this? Doesn't seem to be on patreon.

@hoyoyoxyz

Жыл бұрын

It's in the description... This episode has been released early in an ad-free audio version for TOE members at theoriesofeverything.org

Congrats on such great content. Very relevant and excellent thinkers on your channel. Heck, I even like your advertising! :0)

What fun! I enjoy all of your contributions to our heartmind space.

I like Vervaeke's question about what you'd want to continue after you decease. That really hits the nail on the head about what I truly care about. I want to feel reunion with my deceased love ones most of all, and those who die after me first and foremost. After that, I strongly with for there to be some permanent record of every though and memory I've ever had. There's a whole universe worth of ideas and memories in my life and it's a tragedy to think its going to be erased.

49:04 - IM: And when Christ said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, he didn't mean once you believe in me, you've got it. He meant there is a way which you can enter into through belief in what he was teaching and in what he showed by his example that would take one where one wishes to be able to go. JV - I deeply agree with that, so much so that I have said, please carve on my tombstone neither nostalgia nor utopia.I do not think anything that claims to have a total grip and a resolution. In fact, and perhaps this will slide into the topic, I think we need to think of the sacred as an inexhaustible source of intelligibility.

Marvelous Conversation!

Wow, what a beautiful convergence! Loved it.

@TheoriesofEverything

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed:)