“…Having a foodbank in the centre of a town like this is in fact a political statement” how true.

“I want someone who’s going to help us- Rishi Sunak” love, he is not the man to help you 😂

@RJTheQuizzer

12 күн бұрын

I live in Port Talbot, the older generation plan to vote Conservative, shocking

@callu947

12 күн бұрын

@@RJTheQuizzer I just don’t understand why

@RJTheQuizzer

11 күн бұрын

​@@callu947 Many English nationalists have moved to Port Talbot, especially over 50's, we know they'll boost the Conservative vote

@callu947

11 күн бұрын

@@RJTheQuizzer planters do as planters do

@gdgyhgrd

11 күн бұрын

​@@RJTheQuizzerI've just checked the ONS figures and as of the 2021 census, around 6% of Neath Port Talbot are English. Meanwhile, you're watching a video of a Welsh woman who likes Rishi Sunak.

As an American this report was a breath of fresh air. As bad as politics may be elsewhere in the world, American politics is off the charts insane.

@karimtabrizi376

13 күн бұрын

Yes i think how on hell did trump get elected now biden who is past it. Whole system is inept

@-i1007

12 күн бұрын

you could put on the plaid’s words and all of bidens words and have an 80% overlap

@yorkshirehousewife784

12 күн бұрын

Well we’re doing our damndest to stop our country ever getting like America.

@samuelculper4231

12 күн бұрын

@@yorkshirehousewife784 it’s too late. From what I’ve seen it appears you are on an irreversible course. Unfettered corporate capitalism was the final nail in our casket. Competition is so severely reduced, you can hardly call them markets. Old sluggish companies kept afloat while innovation is stagnant. As rightly concerned as I am about climate change, or at least we can call it man’s environmental footprint - I am surprised I never hear the political right make the reasonable argument that there are more urgent matters at hand regarding imminent confrontation between the West and the new Axis of evil (Russia, China, Iran). The vibe is that while the West signs off on well meaning documents to save our world, we are losing the immediate and thus long term competitive edge to China.

@valuetraveler2026

2 күн бұрын

US decline is affecting other countries too

Yeah, trust a foreign company to 1 make the local business un profitable 2 ship the production line to a low wage low regulation country 3 use the local business as a shell to import the new cheaper product

@juliepaul6344

14 күн бұрын

💯

@placemats1598

14 күн бұрын

Steel should be nationalised,run for the country,run for the workers,not run for a foreign country to take the profits and shut down

@williamho5636

14 күн бұрын

Remember what Margaret Thatcher sold and closed. Sold the manufacturing industry….steel plants, water , gas and electricity companies etc Closed down the coal mines. She even sold the Telecom manufacturing industry. Stop blaming other overseas companies. Start by blaming what the UK government has done

@AdrianMcDaid

14 күн бұрын

​@@placemats1598and if it keeps loosing money should the tax payer have to keep paying for it ?

@sarahann530

13 күн бұрын

@@placemats1598 I dont remember communism being a Brexit benefit

Closing the steel works will be devastating for the whole of South Wales!

@kb4903

13 күн бұрын

Yeah but china makes steel cheaper. It’s the same as coal in the 1980s. They live in the past.

@ajs41

2 күн бұрын

Steel isn't very environmentally friendly.

Hmm, reminds me of the rust belt in the US.

@briangriffiths1285

13 күн бұрын

Nothing like the rust belt in the US. Port Talbot is not miles from anywhere, it is next door to Swansea which has fast rail connections to Cardiff, Bristol and London. Both Cardiff and Bristol have plenty of job opportunities and Port Talbot is likely to get plenty of jobs from the off shore wind industry. The sea bed conditions require floating wind technology to be developed and used. There is likely 30 to 50 GW that can be exploited, more if the work in Irish waters gets shared.

@EdwardSinclair

13 күн бұрын

@@briangriffiths1285 Yes, practical solutions are much better than the doom and gloom. Although, why does it take so long to implement such solutions? Who or what is causing this delay? People just want a fair chance at a job so they can live with dignity and feed their families...

@briangriffiths1285

13 күн бұрын

@@EdwardSinclair I think it is a mindset that jobs exist for life in these old industries of steel and coal. Some guys may be too old to retrain into physical jobs and that will be a real shame but if the Unions and Tata get their heads together with the govt agencies that support training and transition, there should be jobs for all. Certainly the Grid want electrical engineers, we need thousands of heat pump installers, I cannot believe that these steel men that have worked with dangerous materials cannot be retrained? The history of Wales has been sad when the pits closed in the 80s the men didn’t find work easily and the communities in the Valleys were left in relative poverty. They need to kick that and look forward to change.

@samuelculper4231

2 күн бұрын

@@briangriffiths1285 Valid point. This wasn’t addressed in the segment. My guess is the skilled workers are coming from elsewhere.

@briangriffiths1285

Күн бұрын

@@samuelculper4231 There is a shortage of skilled folks in the heating industry in the UK and also the power distribution industry. Plenty of retirees in both sectors in the next few years. I cannot stress enough that the UK intends to install 600,000 heat pumps a year by 2027 which is nowhere enough to have an impact on climate change, we need to install 1.4 million a year. The plumbers of today aren't skilled to do that and it also requires a serious no. of electricians too. Both trades could assimilate 250,000 workers each. But the jobs will not all be in South Wales. That is the rub. South Wales is generally seen as a low wage low cost place to live and moving to wealthier areas is a real challenge. It might be possible to manage by working rather longer hours 4 days a week or even 3 days a week to combine a home in S Wales and continuing to work. Folks need to think outside the box. Oh and yes, I have a Welsh name but born in England!

I've watched a good few of these Guardian videos from these proud but struggling towns. Quite disheartening to see the resignation on people's faces. But amazing to highlight the local heroes trying to hold the community together. The slow death of these towns feels like the result of decades of politicians kicking the can down the road on future jobs / new economy transition. Why deal with an issue now when you can ignore it til the next election. Not hard to see why people then move to more extreme parties. Similar story across the world.

@CarnaghSidhe

14 күн бұрын

All the driving talent amongst the young heads to London because a lot of reasons. One reason I don't see discussed much is the often casual disregard for the value of it's young people in the kind of towns you're talking about. The same young people are valued in London. These towns can blame 101 reasons, but in each case, they lost their best and their brightest to London, and they've yet to put much thought into that. Instead you'll hear lots of blather about immigrants -- who are also welcome in London. In fact many of the people who are little valued in the towns you describe, are welcome in London. I grew up in one of these kinds of towns. Some 25 years ago I moved to London to become a graphic designer and programmer. Today I live in Spain -- now the region of Spain I live in goes to great efforts to retain its young people. It puts on gigs and events for them. It supports young businesses, and overall it promotes a good attitude towards the young. They are valued. The region of Spain I live in understands that if it loses all its talent, it's dead. It works hard to retain its talent and attract new talent. The towns that are currently suffering, need to stop driving their most precious talent away and look at what actually makes a region prosper. Instead they bemoan the past and put little real thought into the future. Oh, and they're not stingy about putting up new housing in Spain, so there's plenty of cheap housing for the young. The UK needs to let go of the bitterness it has wrapped itself in, and put some adult thought into the future it wants and how best to go about getting it. Frankly, people need to stop whinging about the sky falling in and think a little about actually doing something.

@kb4903

13 күн бұрын

But u think these people have unrealistic expectations. China can produce steel a lot cheaper. No company is going to save it and after thatcher the government is unlikely to save it.

@AngelaVlahos

10 күн бұрын

work got sent overseas. be willing to travel.

@count69

9 күн бұрын

No - similar story across WESTERN nations. Vote Labour for an increase to the pace.

@aremedyfrosty

8 күн бұрын

I've watched 5 guardian videos in a row and i've not heard one person say they are voting reform. The guardian doing their very best to selectively edit out anyone who dares say they are voting reform.

If you don't vote, then you have no right to moan about what others have voted for.

@boomshanka8743

Күн бұрын

I don't agree - democracy means nothing if we don't respect the right to abstain from it. People deserve better than choosing the least worst option.

Ironic that the Iron Lady wrecked our Steel Industry.

@Danxph

Күн бұрын

She wrecked the country,

@stephfoxwell4620

Күн бұрын

@@Danxph Indeed. Completely and utterly.

I dont understand how this country with these people in it conquered the world! An enigma to me.

@NosyFella

Күн бұрын

It was a handful of office buildings in london that conquered the world. These people have nothing to do with it.

As Jeremy Clarkson has said: I would rather vote for my dog than Kier Starmer!

Rishi Sunak - alright? Has she has a knock to the head?

@RJTheQuizzer

12 күн бұрын

I live in Port Talbot, the older generation plan to vote Conservative, shocking

@SevenEllen

7 күн бұрын

@@RJTheQuizzer JAW-dropping. Have they learned NOTHING from these past 16 years???

@alfonsohorcajada4399

20 сағат бұрын

I know. I fell off the chair when she said that.😅

U.K. Steel? That ship sailed to India decades ago?

@pevebe

3 күн бұрын

industry sold there and their people shipped in here

Welcome to the communities of the closed coal mining towns and villages...

I see the Tories are helping the steel workers NOT.

@jablot5054

2 күн бұрын

Why should they ? It's up to the people to invest in their own futures.

@TheVintageApplianceEmporium

Күн бұрын

And yet the Conservative Government has pledged £500million to help with transition. What has Welsh Labour done? NOTHING!

The factory owners chose to invest in Sweden, not the UK. What's the difference between a Land-rover made in India compared with one made in the UK? UK has no trade relationship, and without London, it's a poor country. Ta-da!

Tories and ANY party that resembles should be banned. The coal industry, steel industry, water companies, Rail industry, all public services should be nationalized and the private sector fined and then kicked out of the country. What is left of it.

@sarahann530

13 күн бұрын

The UK needs to look at North Korea fo ideas for the future

as a Swedish steel mill worker the issue and the eventual shutdown of UK steel production is a clear as day. UK mill only produce standard steel qualities that just aren't as a whole profitable with the wages in a developed nation. there is zero investment in making unique steel qualities or shifting production to deal with the domestic market scrap using arc furnaces it is all about hammering out ever single penny they can out of the blast furnace before shutting down the place. the talks and work about shifting the works to arc furnaces should have started 10 years ago like it did in Sweden. the same thing that is happening in port talbot would happen in my town if it wasn't for the fact our government still owns the mines so they had to on a level step in with investment to keep our steel mills working. the investment in Unique steel qualities meant we won the contract to provide the steel for the UK navy boats. and now the investment in green steel production means arc furnaces where i live. the fact is a western nation can not compete with brazil and other south American nations on normal steel qualities when it comes to price the only way to survive is making better steel or inventing new tech to sell to said nations. (should mention nobody trusts Chinese steel so most of there production ends up in domestic use rather than international trade)

@coffeebuzzz

5 күн бұрын

If they were aiming for hydrogen based steel made with the power from wind turbines, towns like these would prosper. Doing things the same way as a century ago is destined for failure, doesn't matter if it's privately owned or nationalised. People need to stop voting for politicians based on slogans and start looking for leaders with vision.

Yet you voted for the demise of your twin in 2016.

It is tragic to see the suffering of these people. But is there a solution to the economic woes of this country? All the countries are subject to the laws of the capitalist economics . Why the steel industry, or for that matter any other manufacturing industry, is not viable in the UK? The politicians would not answer these questions honestly. No government has a magic wand to solve these problems. Yet people are hoodwinked into thinking that only with the change of government things will be better. Politicians are selling false dreams to the public. The policies of the Tories was not to touch the big money at the expense of the running down of the NHS and the other welfare needs of the society. The labour party might tinker here and there, but in that case they risk the flight of capital. There are no solutions to these problems within the Capitalism.

@kirishima638

13 күн бұрын

There is no solution. The UK is dying. This country was built on the back of an empire that no longer exists. Being members of the EU papered over the cracks for a while, but the decline was only slowed. We cannot compete globally, not in terms of resources, or industry, militarily, education or innovation. And the AI apocalypse is about to wipe us out technologically. If it’s any consolation, Europe is going the same way, hence the resurgence of the far right.

@Avengerie

4 күн бұрын

TINA. There is no alternative. All it is is managed decline and the “rise of the rest”. Ricardian law of comparative advantage says you should focus on what you do most efficiently (i.e. cheaper), and stop doing everything else. In a globalized world it is impossible to “bring back” the steel industry when the Indians and the Chinese can do it for a fraction of the cost. The next question to people who say it should be “would you be willing to pay 2-3 times the price for iron gates, construction rebar etc to support the local industry? The honest answer is going to be “no”.

When politicians are filmed opening foodbanks all smiles your country is on the wrong road

The Steel workers who voted by a majority for BREXIT? Those Steel workers?

@Richie3264

13 күн бұрын

Yes, those ones who, like most working class people, have been betrayed by a Blairite elite and are doing what they can

@hazelwray4184

13 күн бұрын

Germany, France, Italy, etc, don't face these issues. That explains the success of far-right parties the other day.

@RW-nr6bh

13 күн бұрын

The Welsh nationalists like to pretend it was English retirees, but in truth it was the working class 'salt of earth' Welsh people of the Valleys that did it.

@davidpryle3935

13 күн бұрын

What’s Brexit got to do with it ? The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015 when Britain was a member of the European Union.

@CuteTartanCat

13 күн бұрын

This is a truly disgusting reply. You have been confronted with a situation in which thousands of working class lives are about to be thrown into peril due to the closing of industry. And your first instinct is to condemn these people for bringing it upon themselves because they were disenchanted with an institution which did absolutely nothing for them. You people don’t understand why you’re hated.

Was not expecting to see a Morbid Angel t shirt in this. Very based.

maybe they shouldnt have voted brexit , tory , ukip etc

Let's vote for people who only care about major corporations and billionaires and see what happens. Lol. This is what happens.

@sarahann530

13 күн бұрын

Brits voted for Brexit to cut themselves off from Globalist capitalists . You should be happy

I'm from Consett Co Durham, in the 80's the Torries closed the steel works, a profitable works, this decimated the town to this day, I was from a line of Iron and Steel men since the 1800 hundreds, the first generation to leave, left school to no work in the Town, so I joined the Army and left the North East in 86, never moved back, now we have emigrated to the Rep of Ireland, couldn't take anymore in the UK. My advice, get out if you can.

Similar situation got here in my city in India jamalpur but its not the steel works its the railway work

How did the town vote on Brexit?

@yusufk7975

14 күн бұрын

Essentially these are the Turkeys that voted for Christmas.

@cal5566

14 күн бұрын

Not fair to say, the industries were built long before the EU. There's a lot more moving parts to it than just in the EU or not.

@anglodoomer5995

14 күн бұрын

@@yusufk7975are you aware that deindustrialisation was happening before Brexit

@Sam_Green____4114

14 күн бұрын

Brexit had nothing to with it !

@leonblittle226

14 күн бұрын

@@yusufk7975 That level of arrogance is exactly how brexit was a win, and you learnt nothing

National governments in every country serve the international capitalist class. Never forget it.

@lewisbaitup6352

13 күн бұрын

Yep, all the governments of the world's foundations are all built on domination over those who it exploits.

@kb4903

13 күн бұрын

Even china and North Korea?

@lewisbaitup6352

13 күн бұрын

@@kb4903 kim jung un and xi jingping don't look proletarian to me, they both look like bureaucrats that are way above the people who they dominate over, not to forget about china's billionaires.

@robertduluth8994

12 күн бұрын

@@kb4903china does have capitalism they say so after deng

@scallamander4899

11 күн бұрын

@@kb4903 Yes, North Korea is the least integrated into the world system, but still integrated.

"Who is fighting for the steelworkers in this election?" absolutely no one, next question.

@siskinedge

14 күн бұрын

Labour have a 2.5Bn commitment to investment in green steel so we can start producing virgin steel again in their manifesto. This country needs to get over the cheems mindset of only seeing potholes as viable when labour have an asian tiger type growth plan.

@kb4903

13 күн бұрын

What do they want the government to do? Use public money to prop up an expensive system that china makes cheaper?

the councillor just sounded like Farage - "tories lost" "labour in Government" "need to keep Labour in Check"

@lewisbaitup6352

13 күн бұрын

You mean the leader of Plaid Cymru lol? Also hes definitley different from farage, he attacked farage alot in the debates.

@sarahann530

13 күн бұрын

@@lewisbaitup6352 Did he attack Farage for bringing him Sovereignty , Freedom, Sunny Uplands , Global Briatain Brexit ?

@lewisbaitup6352

13 күн бұрын

@@sarahann530 brexit was one line of attack yes, him leading a hate movement was also another line.

@sarahann530

13 күн бұрын

@@lewisbaitup6352 So Plaid Cymru did not want Brexit going against the majority of Welsh voters

@lewisbaitup6352

13 күн бұрын

@@sarahann530 yes they were remainers during the referendum, this conversation is honestly boring.

Labour will be under major pressure to make drastic changes for rural UK - in 5 years time these people will vote for Reform if Labour fails.

If you are in Wales, Vote Plaid Cymru! If you are in Scotland Vote SNP! , There needs to be accountability!

Nobody. The government weren’t interested in saving the steel industry, it’s dying and sadly so will towns that where those industries once thrived. The current government simply do not care.

love the welsh accents

Looks like thacher has joined the steel workers😂

@Sam_Green____4114

14 күн бұрын

You cannot even spell ThaTCher for Christ's sake !

@tom_demarco

14 күн бұрын

​@@Sam_Green____4114 What a dumb thing to get mad at

@Sam_Green____4114

13 күн бұрын

@@tom_demarco If he can't get that right what can he get right !?

Its tragic how hapless the Greens look. This election is crying out for a competent, serious Green party with a strong energy/industrial policy, openness to closer economic ties with the EU and a moral stance on Israel/Gaza. Instead we seem to have a bunch of useless old crusties. Such a shame.

@kb4903

13 күн бұрын

Competent serious greens is an oxymoron

@dominicchallis2928

13 күн бұрын

Watch Carla Denyer in the debates.

1:48 As a German, I could say the same about "my" county. The amount of food banks which have opened over the last few decades is concerning to say the least. We need radical leftist change. Conservatives had their grip on power for too long, and we have now seen where it leads us. The UK has undergone a tremendous economic downturn like no other European country over the last 10 years or so thanks to the Tories. Please vote in an actual leftist party, and not Labour.

@sarahann530

13 күн бұрын

You must be East German , no food banks required back then . Your govt took care of you

@matthewprince9705

13 күн бұрын

What leftist parties does the UK have?

@_yonas

13 күн бұрын

@@matthewprince9705 They should probably vote for (independent) socialist or communist parties, or, if people are not comfortable with that: Greens. I know the Greens aren't really that left, given their positions on capitalism, but I think they would still push the needle in the right direction.

@dominicchallis2928

13 күн бұрын

@@_yonasThe Greens recognise the need to effect greater environmental responsibility and social progress by using the framework of capitalism for redistributive purposes and proper funding of social and environmental services. I’d argue that they’re quite left wing even if falling short of overturning capitalism in its entirety.

@SvenSkottke

13 күн бұрын

We don't have any credible leftists in Germany, the most popular ones are just Kremlin agents from the party that built the Berlin wall and shot those trying to be with their families. Apparently, these people's ideas are resonating with some voters, but not as many as the far-right. And the SPD and Linke have also massively declined in popularity, don't think we'll see them back in power for a while. Realistically, the CDU will win the next election and then lose credibility like the Ampel have. Then, one of Putin's parties will win, end elections and that regime will enslave and brainwash us, just like in Belarus or occupied Ukraine. There'll be no tolerance of anything, except state sanctioned violence, hate and ignorance. The sad part is that we will do this to ourselves, by popular demand.

Im sorry if you started work in the steel works in 1978 then were made redundant in 1982 you arent an unemployed steel worker, youve had 42 years to find another trade or industry

Just like what the workers in the 1970s were striking about... they saw this coming. History is repeating again 😢

@kb4903

13 күн бұрын

Out dated and poor industry not being floated by the tax payer as it’s cheaper to import?

Wow, someone has finally come to Wales.

Port Talbot Steel works raises over twenty billion a year in VAT to the English government. If we had an Independent Wales twenty billion a year would stay in Port Talbot.

nationalise the steel industry!

“The game’s gone”

You voted for brexit, you deserve what you get, you were warned and called it project fear. Ignorance is not an excuse

@valuetraveler2026

2 күн бұрын

as if that is the only reason

Weren't the TATAs building a giga factory in UK? Can they not absorb some people from Port Talbot?

Most people get it ,Starmer and Sunak are only servants of the establishment.

Why wasn’t there a major focus in these segment about how this area voted to leave the European union (brexit) and how Brexit has had a devastating impact on the steel industry?

@josephkolodziejski6882

14 күн бұрын

Because it's very simple, they were lied to by a slogan on the side of a bus.

@lewisbaitup6352

13 күн бұрын

This wouldve happened even if we stayed in the EU, the EU isn't really a pro worker institution.

@andrew300169

13 күн бұрын

@@lewisbaitup6352The EU is increasing tariffs and raising the regulations on those imports coming from outside the EU, such as the UK

@lewisbaitup6352

13 күн бұрын

@@andrew300169 well like i said, they're not pro worker. It's just an imperial core club that extracts wealth from the ones who need it most, it's not something we should be a part of but we left it to compete in the same game as it, not to be better than it.

@davidpryle3935

13 күн бұрын

The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015 when Britain was a member of the European Union 🤔

Engineering is dieing in this country

@valuetraveler2026

2 күн бұрын

It can be reinvigorated but there is no vision

It’s like Ceaușescu’s Romania - with better cars. Obviously Romania is more prosperous now. I’ve got an idea - why don’t you leave the EU That will sort it all out. 😂😂

@hazelwray4184

13 күн бұрын

Germany, France, Italy etc, aren't facing these issues right? - hence the success of the far-right just the other day.

@valuetraveler2026

2 күн бұрын

Even the poorest parts of Romania are not as hopeless as places like this. The woman are still thin and the people chill

Port Talbot, a town of just 35,000 people closes down... "We've lost Britain, Britain's gone, Britain is no more Great Britain" There's more to Britain than your crappy little town that built itself around 1 industry.

rishi sunak and help your joking aren't you, he's done nothing in his time in office nothing has changed, another one all talk and no action.

when automisation and new technologies completely takes over steel production will these folk still insist on not retraining and their local councils insists on not trying to capture new investments and attract new industry? yes it was your heritage, but times change. coal mines close and as they're on their way out people lose jobs. it's your local councillors that you need to champion your local issues not national government.

@ChartreuseDan

7 күн бұрын

A council can beggar itself trying to court investment from conglomerates with literally an entire world of better options, while a national government can create conditions that actually incentivise and promote development and thereby wealth creation (ie. Jobs) with pragmatic diplomacy, regulatory reform, temporary tax incentives, and they could even grow some 'stuff' and actually invest in new nationalised industries. Is someone going to with a straight face claim that the civil service, one of the largest employers in the UK, can't find some gaps in the market that the UK could generate or retain some revenue by creating some industries to pioneer or at least localize production of? Like they don't know even a failed industry would be better for the economy than mass-unemployment and economic inactivity. All around the British isles are still-untapped resources that aren't the single most profitable investment conceivable and so the fiduciarily responsible free-market ignores them, and nationalising the development sounds too much like government spending 🤚😮✋so it just sits there while jobs in existing industries shrink away everyday to offshoring, obsolescence, or automation. Did you know for the price of a few high-powered electrical cables the west coast of Scotland could be almost completely energy independent? "Oh, but what would become of the oil industry!?" Like a polymers industry or something couldn't be built up instead of continuing to literally burn wealth. Tldr: imo ultimately the UK has enough resources, access to credit, available and willing labour, and even sov'rinity 🤢 to fix it all but the governments we keep getting seem to think that sounds too much like hard work and might upset their wealthiest donors

You voted for Brexit and trusted Johnson. Reap what you sow.

"our roads are in pieces our rail is in pieces our buses and our nhs is in pieces " god listening to that i feel like throwing myself into the thames .. and im irish lol

who is fighting for the disabled?

@koalafiedmistake5507

3 күн бұрын

So far its Green with the major, and Labour vaguely implying they'll do some things

@joeduffy3309

2 күн бұрын

führage apparently, he's the man of the people now, he got you to vote to make the country poorer so he has all the answers

They all cheered when voting for brexit... Keep cheering

@howardstephens5003

14 күн бұрын

Nobody voted for Net-Zero.

@PhilippaBeale

14 күн бұрын

Wales didn’t vote for brexit

@leonblittle226

14 күн бұрын

Ah that salt still flows, the bitter and twisted remoaner still dishing out nothing but hate and working for the establishments objective like a good sheep. You people are pathetic.

@judgementkazzy113

14 күн бұрын

It was net zero not brexit

@callu947

13 күн бұрын

@@howardstephens5003unfortunately old man we need net zero. If we keep on the track we are on all this won’t matter. The steelworks, farming, mining, fishing, it’ll all be put out of action by Mother Nature.

Why empires never come back. You create willing believers the top rots and people so used to looking up lack the wherewithal to do the hard bit - creating new systems. Modern English men are inferior compared to the greats who fought in the world wars (ironically to hasten their demise). The Fourth Turning is a very instructive read on generational cycles.

Vote Labour

@ChartreuseDan

7 күн бұрын

Nah, Plaid's got a point. The current Labour government has clearly indicated it attempts to merely re-run the already failed broadchurch New Labour experiment for fear the right-leaning working class will abandon them (in ignorance of the fact that this course of action has been proven to guarantee the right-leaning working class will abandon them) Even just ensuring the existence of some larger third parties seems like a good foil to the market-obsessed idling a post-thatcher majority government falls into and may even set the stage for something better than the current rotten two-party parliamentary system. Don't get me wrong, I'm tactically voting Labour, but it's not like I'm happy about it. I would've loved to have a party I could trust that I could responsibly vote for instead.

I hate this expression "food bank". It's a typical way to distract from a problem by using language - very Orwellian. We should call them as they are "soup kitchens".

@annestjohn4017

7 күн бұрын

Why exactly? They are two very different models. Soup kitchens provide a fresh prepared meal and users return on a regular basis. Food banks are essentially warehouses for dry goods, a stop gap service where users are vetted

@DarylBaines

7 күн бұрын

@@annestjohn4017 "Food bank" vs "soup kitchen" is like "migrant" vs "refugee", it's an attempt to manipulate language to make things acceptable to the public, when they should be outraged.

You all voted for Brexit, you got what you wanted and now complaining about who's going to support British steel, I know!!! Go and ask Farage.

@leonblittle226

14 күн бұрын

We voted for it and absolutely NOBODY in government would make it happen correctly after the instruction was made. You still think this is a functional democracy ? The fact it lives on in your brain as pure salt was reason enough to vote brexit and keep on doing it.

@thedon8772

14 күн бұрын

@@leonblittle226 a Brexit cultist unable to accept that you were conned.

@kumstuke

13 күн бұрын

​@@leonblittle226how does correct Brexit look like?

@twistedsister2568

13 күн бұрын

@@leonblittle226 we weren’t conned and I’d vote for it again. The government failed to implement the will of the people.

@sharonharris9782

13 күн бұрын

​@@leonblittle226unfortunately, you weren't lied to. You just didn't do your research. You were the mark. Congratulations on being conned. Oh, and by the way there was no way to do Brexit correctly, as you put it.

you can't continue to operate a steelworks if there is a reduced demand for steel globally. the world is an interlocked capitalist economy and when times are good - ie growth cycles - everyone benefits from that capitalist economy. but there are always down cycles or even bust cycles. it's pointless complaining about it or trying to lay blame. everyone is participating in this in one way or another and they would be better off putting some brain power to understand what makes the world go around. if they had, perhaps they wouldnt have voted for brexit.

What’s gone wrong with UK steel. Foreign Corporate entity, purchases a company, Feeds a ton of money and assets to corporate management in hugely inflated salaries, bonuses, shares and dividends, learns how to do something properly, for the interest of moving said business to foreign lands to pay foreign workers poorly for low expenditures and high turnover. For a while these corporate executives, cream as much money from our governments claiming they can’t make the business profitable (whilst feeding shareholders and corporate execs and upper management huge benefits in kind and all the above. When this money stops the executives close businesses. BTW for the lady who wanted help from the conservatives… they’ve been in power for the last 14 years and completely destroyed our public services whilst paying for corporate greed. And let’s not forget the funding for multi billionaire’s businesses ( wifey’s Daddy’s). Politicians are owned by very wealthy people who run corporations that have an agenda. No Man can serve two masters!

Vote Reform if you want any chance of things changing for the better...

Most of these mugs will vote for farage…hopeless!

@Bouncer_RH06

7 күн бұрын

Not hopeless, good!

I want someone who will try and help us... so I'll vote for the guy who's currently in power, lol what

We sell most of your steel to the EU and used to have tariff free access to the single market, but the people of Port Talbot voted to leave, thereby making their steel less competitive. The unions also resisted attempts to install a new, less carbon intensive blast furnace, on the grounds that it would lead to job losses. The end result is that Port Talbot steel became even less competitive. The people of Port Talbot need to realize that being reliant on the steel industry is foolish. The tide of technological change over time is always for primary and secondary sector producers to use less labor as they adopt labor saving technologies. These people need to upskill and move to the tertiary sector. They are the equivalent of farm workers in the early 20th century complaining about mechanization.

This feels like what happened in the 80s with Thatcher closing the coal mines.

It's gonna be Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage

@valuetraveler2026

2 күн бұрын

Warmonger Johnson

Geezer finally twigged Farage is quids in while he is skint. Would be funny except its not.

Ask nigel how brexit is going...

I hope from the bottom of my heart it will be a priority, because the problem of renting is something to be scared of. Landlords can afford to raise prices when and how they want. They are playing with people's lives, we are at their mercy with our money.. If I had to pay rent alone from the minimum wage in the economy,,,, I can't afford it, the rent is higher than the salary 😢😢😢

Steelworkers? Werent the whole industry shipped off to Indonesia during the boomer generation?

They voted for Brexit so let them enjoy it

REFORM 🇬🇧 💪🏻

@mesamies123

13 күн бұрын

🗣 GREEN! 🇬🇧🏳️‍🌈🇺🇲😉

@rice4550

12 күн бұрын

How is reform going to bring back steel deporting migrants who help drive the economy and prevent demographic collapse doesn’t seem like a working plan

@YolandaHalfAlmonde

8 күн бұрын

Oh look its a brainwashed fascist sheeo that thinks voting for abusive upper class will help solve problems they themselves have created. Nice try, little sheeple

@joeduffy3309

2 күн бұрын

führage got the UK into this mess, stop shilling, these people are suffering because of him

That Green Party MP is a lazy bastard, his own assistant is having to push him to canvass! Do you want the vote or not?

@ChartreuseDan

7 күн бұрын

A lot of green party MP's are nice and principled and all but aren't literally audacious enough to force themselves into the public's face like they have to to actually stand a chance at winning their seat

More footage looking up people's noses.

Vote Reform !!

@kumstuke

13 күн бұрын

Why?

@chester6343

13 күн бұрын

@@kumstuke why not, 20k tax threshold alone helps low earners

@Sam_Green____4114

13 күн бұрын

@@kumstuke Why not ?

@kumstuke

13 күн бұрын

@@Sam_Green____4114 I wouldn't trust Garage with my pinky given his record

@joeduffy3309

2 күн бұрын

@@chester6343 and how is führage going to get that policy into place with little or no seats? take your time i don't mind waiting

The steel industry has been decline and the successive governments should have provided education and training for the workers, at least, 40 years ago so they would not be struggling today.

Is as if Wales hasn't had a Labour government for 25 years and Port Talbot hasn't had a Labour administration since forever. The town needs a root and branch reform.

@IsSalty

14 күн бұрын

It’s as if the Welsh government is given a budget from Westminster.. it’s as if that budget has been hammered over the past 14 years. It’s as if local budget have been cut by 40% or something?

@rice4550

12 күн бұрын

Nothing except neoliberal liz truss economics and deporting migrants will save wales

The steel workers voted to lose their jobs and now they are losing them. They have only themselves to blame. A large majority of the people of Port Talbot voted for Brexit that destroyed the economic trade relations that the steel plants relied upon to make them economically viable. Without that it was only a matter of time before the steel works would close.

@davidpryle3935

13 күн бұрын

The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015 when Britain was a member of the EU.

@stuartwilson7392

13 күн бұрын

@@davidpryle3935 That is irrelevant. Lots of businesses opened and closed while in the EU but leaving it meant economic sanctions that at a minimum has taken 5% points off the UK;s GDP every year.

@davidpryle3935

13 күн бұрын

@@stuartwilson7392 Oh I see. Steelworks closing down is only relevant when it suits a particular argument.

@stuartwilson7392

13 күн бұрын

@@davidpryle3935 Ok you do not want to accept economic reality.. Brexit caused Britain to impose massive economic sanctions upon itself. As a direct result investment into steel production that was heading for the UK and been diverted to India and Europe because they are either massive or potentially massive economic zones. Little old Britain on its own is not and as a direct result those steel plants in Port Talbot and Llanwern are closing down. Also the EU was able to negotiate the removal of US steel tariffs on its steel products imposed when Trump was last in power but they remain on Brexit Britain. If we had still been in the EU those investments would likely have been made here and the US steel tariffs would not exist, but that is not the case. So those that voted for this only have themselves to blame. So those at Port Talbot can stop whining blaming others and start accepting they were responsible. The Tories are not responsible since they just delivered what the public said they wanted. So the public can reap what they sow.

@davidpryle3935

13 күн бұрын

@@stuartwilson7392 Inconvenient fact. The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015, when Britain was a member of the European Union.

What do you expect? Owned by Chinese for time now... I grew up on the other side of the channel.

I've watched 5 guardian videos in a row and i've not heard one person say they are voting reform. The guardian doing their very best to make it look like reform don't even exist.

Nomone. Why should they. These people got what they voted for.

@valuetraveler2026

2 күн бұрын

People are not allowed to vote for the issues they need to care about

You've got no choice,,, REFORM,, I'd take my chance, ,,, sink or swim,, I love swimming,,!!!x

The steel works is not closing! It is converting to Electric Arc Furnace to produce 3.2 million tons of steel a year using cleaner, greener methods. It will not employ anything the like the current numbers of people but there is no shortage of work in the UK. Well paid jobs in the electricity distribution system are there to be grabbed. The railway industry also needs a big push for electrification. These jobs might be mobile in the same way the oil industry in Scotland has been. But the unions and Tata need to get these industries down to Port Talbot to recruit and train. Tata have their new grid connection for the EAF guaranteed, there is 4 GW of wind energy planned to land power in Wales from new floating wind farms in the Celtic Sea, they will need building locally in Swansea and that work will go on for years.

@begoodnow9711

13 күн бұрын

Not all steel can be made from electric arc furnaces though. There's not enough scrap metal supply globally to produce half the world's annual steel demand, even by 2050. We need to close blast furnaces eventually but we're just offshoring emissions and risking a supply crisis of we close more than half our blast furnaces before hydrogen furnace technology is available

@briangriffiths1285

13 күн бұрын

@@begoodnow9711 There is plenty of scrap in the UK and they were putting scrap in the blast furnace because it could be got rid of that way. We are waiting to see whether the low temperature process to reduce iron ore works, Bill Gates is funding that whilst Sweden is working on hydrogen reduction of ore. I don’t know how much ore we have in the UK but it won’t be like Australia or Sweden, no doubt there is some in Scunthorpe still I don’t know of any more workings? The point made in the film though was fairly one sided, there will be some very well paid jobs remaining in Port Talbot, the continuous casting plant is to be replaced as is the coil rolling plant. High quality steel will still be produced. Th UK is very good at niche markets, we supply the armour plating to the US for its weapons industry and the lenses for the special cameras that produce movies are all made in the UK! Too many people pan what we do well.

@begoodnow9711

13 күн бұрын

Thanks for replying. I can't see logic in relying on arc furnaces based on the global numbers for scrap steel. But, as you say, if the UK has a self-sufficient supply perhaps the UK is in a better position to do that than other countries. I'm all for focussing on advanced engineering and specialist products. I grew up in Swansea and just don't want to see South Wales' remaining manufacturing industries gutted. Fingers crossed!

@briangriffiths1285

12 күн бұрын

@@begoodnow9711 I understand the bitterness that there might be in Wales. The history surrounding the closure of the pits wasn't handled well. That was a culture shock not fully understood by the politicians. The same in Yorkshire and the North East. But if Tara and the Unions work it out to get the training for new highly paid jobs the 'depression' felt in the town should be short lived. The UK needs 10,000 new heat pump installers for a start; to get 600,000 a year installed by 2028. That is work that will last 20 years as the transition is made away from gas. Oh and that scrap? comes from the rejuvenation of the railways and the removal of offshore structures which contain thousands of tons of steel and generally get dismantled in Hartlepool/Seaton where the Dogger Bank wind farm is marshalling its turbines.

You gammons voted for BREXIT. WELL DONE 🎉🎉🎉

@hey12542

14 күн бұрын

So did the Welsh but you conveniently didn't mention that 😂.

@DD-ro1zk

14 күн бұрын

@@hey12542 aye well either/or I'm emigrating and I'll leave this sh! Show for you to deal with

@hey12542

14 күн бұрын

​​​​​@@DD-ro1zkYou should have done it ages ago like I did. I didn't vote Brexit, but take offence when a Taff or a Jock calls me Gammon cause other English people did vote for it as well as the Welsh themselves. Maybe choose your words better. It's giving low grade uneducated anti English vibes. Not good.

@MediaRedia

14 күн бұрын

I'm in Cardiff and we voted Remain.

@judgementkazzy113

14 күн бұрын

Net zero not brexit

Did they vote for brexit and Tories?? If they did I hope they are enjoying the consequences of their choices. Why should I care???

A bit late now FFS. Steel is dead in the UK. D-E-D, dead.

How did voting for Brexit work out for you

Blessed are the steelmakers

@jimisi7424

7 күн бұрын

But what about the cheesemakers 😂

I'm 44 and am voting for the first time. I will vote *REFORM* 🇬🇧🚀💥💪🏾

@battles423

13 күн бұрын

Congratulations. You keep the racist Tory in power under another name

@Alex-pr6zv

13 күн бұрын

The populists have neither solutions nor implementers. Politics is a trough, and they just want their nose in it.

@joeduffy3309

2 күн бұрын

says it all really

Doesn't look like anybody is starving or destitute in Port Talbot, why not be grateful and thankful for that alone without moaning about potholes and other trivial and solvable inconsistencies.

Maube there's another Brexit for them to vote leave again.😂

Making your decisions by watching im a celebrity. Jesus! Thats an average uk voter. No wonder the country is furked.

I live in Canada, so I know nothing about the green party in Wales, but I can almost guarantee they wouldn’t have helped the steelworkers funny how I know that!

Net Zero = Zero Jobs. Net Zero migration =.Higher wages

@Patrick-jj5nh

14 күн бұрын

the only hope this town has IS net zero. as many here have said what it needs is investment into electrical arc furnaces and to keep the steelworks going. it was a political decision for the UK not to make its own steel anymore... typical tory foolishness.

@callu947

13 күн бұрын

Do you understand even the simple working of the state and government?

@ReapermanUK

13 күн бұрын

fallen for those lies already? seem the tory plan of killing education worked a treat, pity they forgot it would end up with fascist bastards taking their vote once the lies flowed freely.

@andrew300169

13 күн бұрын

The opposite is actually true but don’t let the facts bother you.

@renegadearcadehighs3103

13 күн бұрын

@@andrew300169 well if what you say is true try buying a house

Best advertisement for the Labour Party

Rishi sunak has failed hardworking people

@peterfromgw4615

9 күн бұрын

Rishi is happy shipping what is let of Britain to India, for the benefit of him and the crooks there. Never trust anything to do with India.

I'm surprised that the role of the Revolutionary Communist Party (RCP) wasn't mentioned here. They've been staunch opponents of the closures for months now, and have organise multiple meetings with locals to discuss action plans.

@hazelwray4184

13 күн бұрын

Your surprised?, Lol... it's The Guardian after all. Given the defeat of Corbyn, and the failure of the trade union movement to make a success of the 'Enough is Enough' strike wave, don't hold your breath, so to speak.