I have the XL and have many nights in it. I do like it but I definitely want to try the newer lay-flat pad as the original XL gives a fair bit of shoulder squeeze. It lays really flat head to toe though, but side-to side curving is a thing with these for sure. Also, your use of the bivy makes a huge difference to cold weather comfort. I have a zero degree sleeping bag and at even 20 degrees you will get a cold back/butt. I have tried adding an underquilt I have from a Warbonnet hammock and that helps a lot, but it’s adds more weight and hassle with setup. Recently bought a -30 bag that I intend to try when the weather is colder again, but that too adds a fair bit of weight. Just something for potential buyers to consider.

Its nice to see someone review it as its intended. I have seen sooooo many reviews that complain about the weight or complain about the mattress. 1st., it was never intended to be light or even a backpacking tent. Maybe for a very short hike. The owners of Haven Tents are motorcycle owners. So keep that in mind. As you can watch one of their videos about setting it up with no trees. On the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah and notice the motorcycle next to it. We motorcyle adventure riders absolutely love it. And blow that mattress up to drum tightness. The mattress is a structure piece, inflate it as such. I am a small guy, but own the XL. Plenty of room.

I use it on +20km hikes, don't understand the remarks over the weight: you have to compare it with a regular hammock + underquilt + tarp. And I believe that the amock draumr is even more heavier. But I don't use the haven tarp. I use a separate ridgeline and a dd hammocks tarp. Never a problem with condensation, not even in our rainy country Belgium. I love my Haven!

@timmontanus4311

27 күн бұрын

greetings fellow belgian

Single best overview video out there. Thanks for taking the time to review every detail. So helpful.

@BackcountryExposure

27 күн бұрын

😊thanks for such a fun and rad product!

You should look up and try the Anok line of hamocks

amazing video, you just totally sold me on this!

I have the xl, just got their true lay pad. Their customer service is on point. It’s the only way I truely like to sleep outside. Checks all my boxes easy to set up and fast and I can pee out of the side. I also don’t mind the weight, I typically use the topo lux xl pad and carbon fiber spreader bars. A comfortable sleep is important for me and I keep the rest of my gear light in order to compensate for the extra weight. It’s worth it in my opinion.

This has recently come on to my radar. Thanks for posting. I am very interested in this.

This was super helpful. I have been curious about this hammock, but hadn't seen a super in-depth review of it like this. You covered all the bases and answered all my questions, plus some I wouldn't have thought of. Thanks!

This looks like it would be pretty fun for kids!

I can see this being great for car camping or even backpacking at short distances. Also for people who toss and turn a lot in their sleep. For me, I get the best nights sleep in a gathered end hammock. And dialing it in to fit my needs is way more about my quilts and straps than the hammock itself. It takes a few tries, but imo it’s worth the effort. Overall. I’m glad this exists. It’s gonna be more comfortable than a tent and hopefully get more people interested in hammock camping. Thanks for the video!

Love these. We have 3 of them. I think you need the XL version.

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

I’d love to try an XL. I have laid in one, but not slept in one yet.

What is better with this, compared to Amok, is it's not a hammock, it's a tent. Which means you're covered from rain and downfall without needing a tarp. I'd go for the Amok. It does not feel like a compromise, because you can get the tarp that is made for it, and you have tons of comfort added because of the way it's set up to be used. That is actually like heaven.

Because of a sports hip injury I had to give up hammocks. I even tried bridge hammocks. This may be the answer. Assuming my X-Mid and mat is about 3 pounds this does come in heavier but may be worth it.

Lovly be safe brother ❤

Oh Devin, how I wish I could show you how to set up and use a gathered end hammock correctly so you could enjoy it and get good sleep. The Haven is a great car camping product, but there is no way anyone would backpack with it at that weight. If you are interested in exploring other styles of hammocks (like a bridge style), I'd recommend the Warbonnet Ridgerunner, Dutchware Banyan, or Townsend Bridge. Also may want to look at the Amok Draumr, which is a 90-degree style hammock.

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

Thanks! I don't know what else I could be doing to make it work for me. I've had several different hammock options. Dream Hammock, Superior, Hammock Gear, etc and not great in any of them. Have spent time with friends who are big hammock people and helped me "dial it in" and still wasn't great. I don't know. Just don't think it's for me. I was at an event in Michigan in February and I actually met Bill (Townsend) and chatted for a bit with him. About pulled the trigger on a Happy Medium from him, but decided to wait.

I kind of see this as a hanging cot that has the option to go to the ground rather than a hammock. Looks alright, but it would probably be my very last option for a hammock-like setup. I'm absolutely fine in a gathered end hammock, but I'd go with a wider hammock, bridge hammock, or Amok before trying the Haven.

Prob mentioned this in your other vid but the future of shelters will be based off of a similar design as this. The option to either hang or go to ground (which this can do) while still being UL is what every manufacturer should be thinking of. I’m a side/stomach sleeper as well so a flat lay is crucial. They need to figure out how to make a bridge hammock with your trekking poles. Making it UL is the next critical piece. There are a lot of great features with this but the weight makes it like the Trek Chair, amazing innovation, no one buys it b/c of the weight. ‘Bridge’ that gap and you have the next stage of backpacking evolution.

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

Great points here, Dave! I’m sure at some point Derek works on something that reduces the weight substantially to appeal to the folks who are more concerned about weight. I do think it’s important to remember that the UL market is just a tiny slice of the pie of the outdoor/camping/hunting industry. A huge group of users that buy gear like this more out of function than based on weight. Canvas tents are mega popular, and a good example of function over weight.

@DaveOffGrid

Ай бұрын

@@BackcountryExposure great call outs. For car camping or anything other than backpacking I'd agree. I would argue for backpacking most are concerned with weight. Might not be UL category but weight savings nonetheless. Comfort is king and something we come back to add weight back for. But this is still too far over for backpacking anything more than the few miles you mentioned. I look forward to his lighter weight options 👍

Great video! The reason the Haven is so comfortable is that it actually isn't a completely flat lay, which is to the advantage of back sleepers. Look at 14:00: Your hips sink down and your feet are naturally elevated. An at-home mattress with foam or springs allows similar positioning of your spine. There's no good way to mimic that with an inflatable pad on the ground because you're "pushing on a balloon". When you relieve pressure in one area, the pressure migrates to another. That's why a lot of back sleepers are more comfortable in hammocks than on the ground. Now, if only the Haven was lighter. I'll be interested to see if you have any more thoughts on it after spending more nights in it.

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, I sort of mention that about how the pad feels. I don't normally like horizontal baffle pads, but because this pad isn't pressed into the ground, I don't feel it the same way, and it's honestly really comfy. I'll absolutely have more to share after I get more nights in it this spring and summer!

It looks like it may have its niche. My experience I would pass on the suspension because there are some huge trees in Pacific NW and because tree spacing not always ideal. 2 climbing rings (aluminum) per side (used like a buckle and attached to hammock) and generous amount of standard one inch wide webbing (14 feet per side) works great on my Dream hammock. (1.68 lbs for xl dream Hammock with zippered bug net and standard polyester 1 inch webbing 28 feet and 2 titanium dutchware clips on webbing) In a pinch it looks like that Haven could be used on the ground which could be nice in a pinch. It’s true hammocks take a bit to adjust too. My ideal set up is to bring a tent and a hammock. I can use the rain fly on my two person Mt HW tent to go over the hammock. My hammock can also substitute for a chair. I find there are circumstances where you wish you had the other when you just bring one. Last note. When weather is cold and windy and wet there is nothing quite like an insulated hammock sock to make the experience more enjoyable.

The xl and standard are so heavy. I like my Hennessy hammocks just fine at half the weight. And they lay flat also. If they were half the weight I would consider one.

One thing I love about bridge hammocks is that you get the best mix of 'flat' and 'cradled.' I feel like you're losing the hammock feel when you need to use an airmatt for structure, I wanna feel 'cocooned.' Also how will this hold up in wind and rain? Is the mattress really going to be as warm as say an underquilt in cold weather? It'd be sweet if you did more hammock reviews especially bridge ones KZreadrs tend to avoid them. Check out the Warbonnet Ridgerunner!

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

I personally don't love the cocooned feeling. It's pretty confining for me, but that doesn't mean it's bad. The night that I've spent in the Haven had an overnight low of 13ºF. I was on the premium insulated pad and had the pad cover on as well. I was toasty warm and never felt cold from underneath. Can't speak to the rain yet, but I know others who have it have had no issues of rain being a problem. Condensation could be something to have to manage a bit though.

Is it versatile enough to be used as a ground tent with your trekking poles and a few stakes/guy lines? The only reason I could think of to schlep around a 7 lb shelter is on those trips where sometimes there are trees and little flat space and sometimes there is flat space but no trees, so that it could serve as a tent or hammock as needed. Otherwise, I can get everything I need from a hammock with much less weight.

I had one and I returned it. I rather use my Amok or my warbonnet ridgerunner

Devon, are you familiar with the Amok draumr hammock? U are now Jon at Lost Lakes, loves em. Myself i love the warbonnet blackbird xlc. Not a big fan of tents but mostly because where i generally camp there are too many roots. Plus, you could hang the 45 on the Ridgeline for quik draw.

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

I’m familiar with it to a minimum. But a lot of folks have commented today mentioning it. Gonna take a closer look. And I don’t have a 45… 9 however. 😜

@evanhammond7305

Ай бұрын

​​​@@BackcountryExposure the 9mm isn't gonna drop a bear maybe an irate through hiker named Kyle. He's looking for more creepy tales from trail for his surging youtube channel. Rumor has it he's Dan Beckers son.

Get the system under 4 pounds minus pad I would consider it for backpacking. Possible Upgrades: - Trekking Poles as Spreader Bars - Hummingbird Tree Straps 1.55oz - Nemo Tensor Long Wide 23oz - Borah Gear 7x9 Poly Tarp 9.6oz - Haven UL Carabiners

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

I think that is part of the appeal for the Haven is it does allow for changes to be made to make it more your own. I tried putting my XTherm NXT Max 25"x77" in this Haven and it was weird. It didn't lay properly and wasn't even close to as comfortable.

@sgtpickles1319

Ай бұрын

@@BackcountryExposure I am tempted to buy it no pad, no fly, and use the upgrades I listed but the Paria Recharge XL rather than Tensor as a budget option.

Great video, but I'll stick with my grand trunk nano at 7 ounces with a lighter tarp at 10 ounces

I never tried a hammock. I was always afraid of a bear mistaking me as a food bag lol 😂

I didn’t like the haven. Didnt like the way it moved. I found the airmat had to be blown up so hard to work it was uncomfortable. Also when that airpad fails, which it will do at some point, you're stuffed. It doesn’t work without the airmat. Still its an interesting design.

3:45 can one use a trekking poles for this? is there enough room for the trekking pole handle in the fixing pocket?

@BackcountryExposure

29 күн бұрын

The pocket is not big enough to fit a trekking pole handle.

It's a stand and stuff bear taco 🌮🤣

I know you probably have a video about it already, but what sunglasses are you wearing? Looking for a new pair

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

They are Columbia frames with prescription lenses. Happened to just get them through my eye doctor.

Where do you store your gear? Just under the hammock?

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

Under the hammock, or inside. Hang your pack from the ridge line, etc.

Are you using the new "true level" pad? or det standard?

@BackcountryExposure

27 күн бұрын

This tent that I’ve got is the standard size haven, so a standard pad.

A great example of why one should take ‘expert’ advice with a grain of salt. Those who know and know how, will continue to happily use gathered end hammocks for a superior sleep. A chacun son goût.😊

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

It's nice however to have options. 😁

@konalux06

Ай бұрын

And even those "in the know" and know how, sometimes just don't like a thing....

@evanhammond7305

Ай бұрын

Hammock are not for everyone I spent probably 10 nights in my hammock before I actually liked it. But I was convinced not needing a air pad and a more storm worthy shelter was a must. Hammocks are far superior to a tent in storms.

I love my nightcat lay flat and it’s cheaper than the Haven.

Interesting concept but I don't think it's for me. Like the before-mentioned the weight is the main downside. I could see it definitely for a one nighter and a short distance backpacking trip.

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I'll be using it for sure on some backpacking trips this year, but camping as well from the car.

Where do you keep your backpack when sleeping in a hammock?

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

With this product, you can hang it from the ridge line at your feet, or hang it from the tree straps, or put it under the hammock. :)

Amok Draumer is your solution

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

There's a theme in the comments today about that hammock. :)

Is there a blooper reel of you flipping out of the hammock?

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

Ha ha! I wish!

The weight is a deal breaker for me. A lighter version with just as good (I would say even better) of comfort is the amok draumr ultralight

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

I’ve seen the Amok suggested many times. Might have to figure out a way to try one just for the comparison.

@ddff5242

Ай бұрын

@BackcountryExposure yeah, you definitely should. It's awkward to get in and out of at first but I have used both the haven and the amok and would say the amok is even more comfortable. If you get used to getting in and out of it, it's a no Brainer. Not to mention it converts into this dream like zero gravity chair. The head and foot end have ratchet straps so you can fine tune how flat you want the butt end or the head end to be. Kind of like having an adjustable bed that raises up and down. Ha! It's also around 2 ish lbs.

I love hammocks. These things look cool, but my god are they heavy. I'd like to get my hands on one though

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

I just like the idea of setting up a base camp with it and spending more time in camp than it being part of a pack to cover a lot of miles.

@ItsGoodintheWoods

Ай бұрын

@@BackcountryExposure I like how it can be set up like a hammock or a tent. That is really cool

At 7 lbs, no thanks. I have had some of the best sleep of my life in my gathered end hammocks !

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

Nice! In some ways I’m rubbing the velvet the wrong way here. 😂 I have yet to have a great night of sleep in a gathered end hammock.

@MeetMeOutside

Ай бұрын

@@BackcountryExposure Hammocks are definitely not for everyone man !

@Place2Nest

Ай бұрын

7lbs??? That’s a deal breaker for me.

This isn’t a hammock… nor is it backpacking friendly. Condensation builds up so fast in it… had one and got rid of it. If you want to try a real lay flat backpacking hammock get your hands on an Amok Draumr.

@BackcountryExposure

Ай бұрын

I mean, by definition it is a hammock, but I hear your point. I think it’s all about perspective and personal goals of how you get outside.

@robbys123

Ай бұрын

@@BackcountryExposure you’re right I’m just salty about my experience 😂. It’s such a great price point to for an all in one system and the design is great with a few flaws. Not to mention they do a GREAT job marketing. But highly recommend trying out an amok if you can get your hands on one.

2,8 kilo for a hammock? A regular tent would be two times lighter at least.

@BackcountryExposure

29 күн бұрын

🤷🏻‍♂️ depends on the tent.

@user-ee9nh8jr1p

29 күн бұрын

@@BackcountryExposure agree. But if you go ultralight, it would be even 3 times lighter. My point is that it is quite a heavy set up for a solo hicking.

@user-ee9nh8jr1p

29 күн бұрын

@@BackcountryExposure maybe it is more useful for car camping, dunno

@magnuscarlsenbutdumb

27 күн бұрын

@@user-ee9nh8jr1p 2,8 is also not that heavy. People are to woried about Weight. If you are a larger human you can carry a lot of weight. Its ok if the hike gets a lot harder. For me its more about it being cozy.

@user-ee9nh8jr1p

27 күн бұрын

@magnuscarlsenbutdumb I am personally not tall neither heavy, so for me it is much eazier to bring a tent like around 1 kilo with a Zenbivy bed, and this setup would be lighter (so easier to carry, at least for myself) and cozier to sleep.

There’s some horrid reviews of this item regarding it ripping easy and also very poor after sales customer services.