The Velis Electro has a 24.8kW/h battery capacity. With a US national average electric rate of $.13/kWh it ROUGHLY costs $3.22 to charge the battery from zero. With a flight time of 1 hour, that’s about $3.22 of energy per flight. Sure, there are other costs like depreciation and battery life decreasing, but there is no sticker shock at the “pump”. What are your thoughts on the Velis Electro?

@DawsonTyson

2 жыл бұрын

Still has double the emissions per hour of flight than a carb filled with 100ll, or pump 90/91. Power plants don't make energy per Kw unit. All power plants are at a constant 80%-98% capacity. A bunch of scientists have done the math and the math shows that all power plants combined in the USA produce more than double all emissions of every liquid and gas fuelled vehicles on the ground, in the water, and and in the air combined. Not to mention that if the green new deal/great reset takes place not only will you be lucky if you get 10 minutes of electricity a month and you'll still be paying more than $100 a month.

@JKHtheIII

2 жыл бұрын

@@DawsonTyson you are so far off on every point. Power plants are several times more efficient than gas engines, which only get about 20-35 percent of the energy out of fuel they burn, and if you take into account transport and refinement, those numbers are even worse. I don't know where you get your information, but you need to look for new sources, because you are being horribly misinformed.

@DawsonTyson

2 жыл бұрын

@@JKHtheIII I have many sources which can't be shared here because of Big Brother. You are missing the biggest factor and that is volume. New engines are actually between 45% and 55% efficient. Some engines like the sky activeX are hitting numbers above 60%. Around 86% of energy production in the US is Fossil fuel generated around 2.5% is wind and solar which have a TBF of more than 1000% higher than Fossil fuels and nuclear, the rest of the energy production is a pretty even match of hydro and nuclear.

@techthehome7167

2 жыл бұрын

@@DawsonTyson I don’t even Know where to start with this post, but literally not 1 point is accurate at all. Either very stupid or trolling.

@DawsonTyson

2 жыл бұрын

@Michael Sprague lol I'm open to the possibility of lizard people, but no. These are facts based upon available data. Realistically the concern we should have is heavy metal pollution (lithium in the this case). CO2 is plant food. More CO2 means more plants and plants getting bigger. Heavy metals such as cobalt, lead, and lithium cause genetic mutations in both animals and plants as well as make it harder for plants to grow.

This is the perfect trainer platform. No real fear of an engine out (im ready for the flame ill get for that), no absurd fuel cost, no burning lead over peoples heads. An hour is plenty of time to do any maneuver and pattern work. They will of course always need a traditional plane for x/c. But the best part is that battery upgrades are so easy to do and you know their capacities will keep growing as they have been.

Having flown the Velis Electro also it’s totally new way of managing the the power. Its a dream to fly very rewarding something about it feels more free. I did get a low voltage master caution so had to land got it on camera too.

@matthewspry4217

2 жыл бұрын

Watched it great 👍

When watching this video I was jealous over the nice smooth airplane and long unobstructed airport. I learned to fly, first in a Piper Cub, a primitive ancient aircraft fabric covered, tandem seated, weak gas-powered, tail-dragger without flaps. My airport was College Park Maryland, with a short, obstructed runway, having tall high tension electric wires and railroad tracks at one end and a forest on the other. My landings were sometimes comical with me bouncing down the runway and doing ground loops. What I wouldn’t have given to have that Pipistrel and your long unobstructed airport in which to practice and hone my skills.

@ccrider3435

Жыл бұрын

I get the impression you're a better pilot for it though!

@WiltonSilveira

Жыл бұрын

@@ccrider3435 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@FRITZI999

Жыл бұрын

without any "pressure" to learn it you would never have evolved. Any Idiot can drive / fly a fully computer controlled "device" - the REAL MASTER can hardly any automobile / aircraft, no matter how bad it's built, how weak the engine is... DoSsociety a favor. Stay at home on your Playstation.

Great to finally meet you today man! Sun and fun was definitely the place to be today. Love the content!

@FloridaFlying

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Jacob! It was great meeting you as well, thank you for saying hello. I’d love to set something up if you’d like to do a video in the future. I still have your email 👍🏻

I earned my career in commercial advertising. In the beginning of the 80's I would go to big ad agencies to talk to them about using computers to make ads. They were sure that it was a fad that would go away

Maybe they will be upgraded to a Lithium Iron Phosphate battery pack, or in the future to graphene batteries. Flying for one hour is kind of short, but it's a pretty neat little plane.

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

plenty range futee gets aay beter

It will only get cheeper and more effective.

Personally i'm more interested in the Hybrid Pipistrel Panthera. Can't wait to see some footage of that in action. Would also be interesting if its able to charge/regen while using the regular engine for long distance cruising.

@CrossWindsPat

Жыл бұрын

This is a completely different market and product lol. But I do agree that thing is gonna be incredible!

I will be very interested when it is a viable cross country plane.

@willboudreau1187

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, I think that's the main point on everyone's minds. This technology won't have "arrived" until it has a commercial application. And I'm not talking about a 20 minute commuter puddle jump. Until electric can compete with hydrocarbons for power and duration, they're really just toys. And judging by the energy density of hydrocarbons vs batteries as of 2022, electric aviation is not in its infancy, I'd say more like it's embryonic. Keep up the good work everyone, but I'll not pay any serious attention until the above criteria are met.

@TexanUSMC8089

2 жыл бұрын

Graphene batteries are coming in the near future. That should be a huge improvement.

@chrisbraid2907

2 жыл бұрын

@@willboudreau1187 it has a commercial application in flight training, the first certified Pipistrel Electric was a trainer in Bunbury Western Australia …

@rinzler9775

Жыл бұрын

More batteries - more weight - aircraft always at "max fuel" weight - you can see where the equation leads...oh - and one more thing, batteries loose a LOT of efficiency in the cold, so I wouldn't take it too high - but that means you don't get the advantages of thin air and higher groundspeed....

@ryanb9749

Жыл бұрын

​@Ice Fractal higher altitude has less air density so I think the batteries would stay warm.

One massive factor is with fuel aircraft, as they burn the fuel, the weight reduces and it makes a massive difference to aircraft range. The electric plane will stay at constant "max fuel" weight for the entire flight.

@lcprivatepilot1969

Жыл бұрын

Very valid point

@CrossWindsPat

Жыл бұрын

But they also make 100% of their power at ALL altitudes, something even jets cant do. Plus that weight can get put anywhere with ease giving engineers a lot more freedom. Obviously this doesn't make up for the absolutely abysmal energy density, but I genuinely believe we will sort that out to the point that its good enough within the next decade.

@rinzler9775

Жыл бұрын

@@CrossWindsPat the improvement to required energy density wont be something they just "sort out" - it would have to be a radical new battery not seen before.

@rinzler9775

Жыл бұрын

@@CrossWindsPat higher altutudes mean much coldervyemperatures, and battery efficiency drops substantially as a result. Fuel engine efficiency increases at low temoeratures/high altitudes - which is the best place to be as less air resistance, so much higher speeds for the same drag. Power drops off ti a reasonable extent at high altitude, but fuel efficiency goes up.

@CrossWindsPat

Жыл бұрын

@@rinzler9775 Fuel efficiency goes up because the air is thinner and has less resistance. I doubt the temperature of the fuel makes that big of a difference. I will concede at your temperature of the battery though that is definitely a good point. But I have a feeling that the heat of the battery dispersing enough energy to keep itself warm. After all no one really has an issue keeping batteries warm, its usually the opposite...

Electric aviation is in its infancy. The Vels is a fantastic first step into the space. I am looking forward to seeing what electric aviation will look like in a decade! At the moment electric aviation is to restrictive in its application for my usage but very excited about the future of electric aviation.

Employing these aircrafts would cut down the cost of flying unprecedently

The idea of regenerative braking is interesting, which is a plus point not available to other types of planes.

@teslascoop2177

Жыл бұрын

Used in sailboats and cars with great results, it might provide small charge but it runs the electronics so there is no drain on battery for power flight at that time, kind like a sail plane with infinite electrical supply..

So fun to see progress.....small as it is. The next 10 years will be very interesting. I would guess that we will see air based commuting become more accessible.

@PistonAvatarGuy

2 жыл бұрын

This aircraft is nearly twice as expensive as its ICE equivalent and has only a small fraction of its capability, how will that make flying more accessible?

@TexanUSMC8089

2 жыл бұрын

@@PistonAvatarGuy Battery innovation. Graphene batteries may be in the near future. I'm not interested in buying an EV, but they are improving a lot.

@PistonAvatarGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@TexanUSMC8089 Don't hold your breath.

@keriddunk1520

Жыл бұрын

@@PistonAvatarGuy dude batteries are improving in range every year . Also the charging time now is 80% in 20 mins. Few more years and you will see double the range and charging time reduced to 10 mins

@PistonAvatarGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@keriddunk1520 CARS are seeing an increase in their range because manufacturers are stuffing more batteries into them, but the batteries themselves aren't improving in any significant way. You can't just stuff more batteries into an aircraft, either, because batteries are heavy and if you make an aircraft too heavy, it wont fly. Charging time is completely irrelevant here and big decreases in charging time come with a need for heavy, high capacity cooling systems that wouldn't even work in aircraft. Aircraft are not cars, period.

Wow love the e-plane!

So you can have a controllable electric battery fire? I did not know that...

You WERE right at the time. But they are getting better and have just reached the point where they are practical in some cases.

I recently bought a Zero DS electric motocycle and it is amazing. Smooth, silent, a pure joy to ride. I am into paramotoring and looking to go electric as well. As as far airplanes go, I'll stick to the rotax for a while but looking at this with eager curiosity.

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

hybride best

@ryanb9749

Жыл бұрын

​@@sharonbraselton4302 hybrids are bad. They have too many failure points.

@poochie5543

Жыл бұрын

I’d be skeptical about electrifications into ultralights, batteries aren’t known for being that light.

@CrossWindsPat

Жыл бұрын

I got a surron ultra bee! E-moto's are incredible!

Am flying one tomorrow, down here in NZ

From next year onwards, all Pipistrel aircraft will be supported by Textron Aviation, since Textron Aviation acquired the company in April.

This is indeed the best aircraft in it's category at the moment..👌🛩️

Electric is great for a glider. You take off, shut off the motor and stow it and go soaring. In an airplane it's just not there yet. It's barely enough in a glider and we don't even use it in the air once airborne unless we misjudge the day. I dunno. I think solid state battery technology will be the ultimate game changer if all the world. Not just aviation or cars.

Sooner or later, like it or not, electric is the future!!

so there is new battery Tech coming out , and if you see it I would buy stock in it , the new battery tech is going to be Dopped Glass with Li-poly doping they claim to offer x3 the perfromance over current li- based batterys and no oxygen faleambilty , so X3 the C ratin in change and discharge and X3 the Aamp Hours rating in mass

It has some inherent limitations that electric cars aren't facing so the same revolution wont happen however can you get to a say 600km range in a good glide bird and you have potent recharge infrastructure, then you can actually do a say 1000km trip within reason. Flying for 2-3 hours, recharge 25 minutes, fly 2 hours more, it's doable. And electric can have some elegance and pleasantry to it that piston just can't match so there could be a level of joy you might not get otherwise. But transatlantic and US coast to coast in 4 hours, that's not in the cards with batteries. You could actually imagine a battery electric going mach 0.7 with ease but would still have max 500km range so it would be a blitz craft. And like a Tesla it can feel very powerful and civilized and make piston noise makers look as crude as they are. And then of course there is the whole UFO situation at which point electric propulsion will be a whole new thing. Leaving jets and even rockets in the dust.

@drister007

2 жыл бұрын

Electric revolution WILL happen also with the planes, it is just a matter of time. Just wait 10 years and you will see. ;) Also it is totally possible to do electric US cost to cost flight (with hydrogen and fuel cells, hydrogen fuel cells planes ARE electric planes). Also there is the statistics that 70 % of flights are shorter than 1000 miles, so atleast 70 % of flights can be made with TODAY's battery technology.

@DanFrederiksen

2 жыл бұрын

@@drister007 nah electric means battery electric. nuclear electric could be interesting but isn't now either. hydrogen is fuel cells, sure part of it is electric but you wouldn't just say electric for hydrogen and hydrogen has very serious problems on multiple fronts. However a synthetic hydrocarbon liquid fuel from green electricity with hydrogen as a middle stage could be interesting. Say methanol through a fuel cell and electric motors. It's not practical with today's batteries to do a 1000mile plane, it might technically be possible but I think it would be a struggle. green fuel is an obvious easy transition. but yes battery flight could take the shorter routes.

@ryanb9749

Жыл бұрын

Electric at mach 0.7 would have like 5 minutes of range. Lol

@waynerussell6401

9 ай бұрын

Electric self launching sailplanes can do that on a sunny day. Though its a sport, rather than transport. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gm1qxtqKZNS8prA.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/lp2OsJmOeMzIqbQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/iYOTm8NrianFoMY.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/p3Z1lrqefcfKfbw.html

20 kw is not much to keep it afloat.

Amazing!

Thanks for posting this and for keeping an open mind. The future has arrived!

I'm wondering how many kWh would be generated by covering the surfaces with printed solar panels?

Cessna 150 with Zero srs motorcycle conversion has the same stats.One tenth of cost.

so very cool

For me, once this really takes off it'll be the low noise and low operating cost that sells it to me.

Does this charger port use Chademo? It does not look like CCS. (I have a Nissan Leaf and it takes a J1770 plug as well as Chademo, and that looks exactly like a Chademo plug.)

This looks like fun. If it costs 5000 Euro, I will buy one for fun flying, nice!

I love witnessing the future! Great content as usual. I have yet another reason to visit right rudder aviation!

Fire possibilities?

In economic perspective electric ultralights might make a lot of sense because of the possibility of transferring technology from EV industry. Think about what rotax is charging for 912. While no one has been able to compete with the 912 because of the small market and liability, I think there will be an abundance of EV motors coming from China that one can modify, create gearboxes for. In reality its probably more of a gearbox problem.

@CrossWindsPat

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. The electric revolution is here! I got an electric skateboard and electric dirt bike! Both have enough range for whatever I want to do RIGHT NOW. In 10 years they will have so much more and its as simple as swapping the battery out.

Do you have any more videos planned in the Alpha Trainer? I fly both gliders and LSA Airplanes so love to see it!

We're still a long way before we feel safe with electric airplane. I do agree this is good for students and instructors to stay close to their local airport and teach our future pilots takeoff/landings, emergency procedures, entry and exit airport, etc... I do like how the blades stop when not taxing and help you save battery. Great video, this is the first battery airplane I've seen on KZread.

I hope batteries continue to advance and we can get 1000 lb useful load 4 seaters with 4 hours duration at 160kts+ The motors are compact and powerful. We just need better batteries with faster charging

@keriddunk1520

Жыл бұрын

That will take time . I am hoping for 2 hours. That would be a game changer

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

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i mean your flying a sail plane style plane with vary low power , the problem is gass contains 100x engery per volume then eleteric so you can CHEAT this mathmatical problem by simpley using Low power LOW weight LOW volume airplanes and get good results so the smaller the car plane truck the less engry it needs to put out the better eleteric is but , the inverse is true if you where flying a light twin for example you'd have to carriy so much extra engry stored for use compaired to fule

I’ll be a buyer when flight times are 6+ hours or someone goes full nuclear plane. The solid state lithium battery will be a game changer but just like phones and chargers they will not be interchangeable for financial purposes.

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

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8:56 That is cool

Very promising aircraft

Yep, it's coming.. smart to not going below 15%, same rule in cars, under 15% LiIon might drop to 0% suddenly.. so best avoid, also important to charge battery in one uninterrupted charge to 100%, never do to less than 100% and then top off - this might give false 100% reading in LiIon.

At LAX you taxi to 25R takeoff fly and land on 25R without getting into the pattern. Battery dead before you get back to the hangar

I am interested in the Electron E75, but I don't have 135k. Lol

that is just fantastic

the as33 electric launch glider is less than 10kW/h battery and can fly much longer and farther. This plane seems much less efficient in both energy and resources (lithium battery).

@DrewWithington

Жыл бұрын

Yes but it's a high performance glider, not a general aviation plane. Needs hardly any motor power to fly ok.

Anything coming out of Florida is unacceptable.

@FloridaFlying

2 жыл бұрын

Even NASA?

@rgrinnel

6 ай бұрын

Orange juice? Key Lime Pie? Gatorade? Air Conditioning? Sunscreen?

They need to create a cross country hybrid: electric motor and batteries in the front and small gas charging motor in the rear.

@AvgDude

2 жыл бұрын

A Piperius.

@wolfgangpreier9160

2 жыл бұрын

That one has the same problem as a PHEV. The worst of both worlds.

@steilkurbler4973

2 жыл бұрын

The Panthera is going to get both an electric and hybrid version

@nicholasthon973

2 жыл бұрын

Hydrogen is perfect for this.

@wolfgangpreier9160

2 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasthon973 And you can even smoke hydrogen!

Just like the electric car, the big practical bug-a boo of the electric airplane is the useful range to go somewhere. A hybrid would be much more practical.

Wonder how it holds up with a lightning strike

@TexanUSMC8089

2 жыл бұрын

LOL I'd guess it wouldn't be a good thing. It's a small fair-weather plane though.

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

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Its an Experimental….not a certified airframe. While its great to see aviation move forward, misleading your viewers by allowing someone say “its a certified airframe” is kinda underhanded. They still have some big hurdles to overcome before its a Part 23 airframe.

@planespeaking

Жыл бұрын

There are other countries other than the US, dude. It is fully certified in Europe, and UK.

215k for an hour airborne? thanks. no thanks.

@mauricepowers8079

2 жыл бұрын

Sure...but what are the cumulative maintenance costs of a standard combustion powered plane over say 5 years?...10 years?...

@WattsUpDev

2 жыл бұрын

@@mauricepowers8079 not the point, this plane is purely for training you can’t do any normal legs or 300nm

@mauricepowers8079

2 жыл бұрын

@@WattsUpDev actually that IS my point...overall costs for a training plane I believe have been reduced substantially. Add in the safety factor of massively reduced mechanical failure in the power plant. So what if it is only good for an hour...most lessons are an hour at a time until you get to cross country flights. Battery life will improve over time...it is inevitable. This is a great option for overall cost effective investment.

@PistonAvatarGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@mauricepowers8079 The batteries need to be replaced about 2 to 3 times as often as the engine in an ICE aircraft needs to be rebuilt, and they're significantly more expensive than the cost of rebuilding an ICE engine, so this aircraft not only costs more to buy, but it also costs more to maintain.

@WattsUpDev

2 жыл бұрын

@@mauricepowers8079 Agreed

Ferris was not the inventor but a builder they go back to the 17th century.

This is very cool. I also think the electric hybrids people are building with Cesena Skymasters are fascinating. One piston or turbo prop, and one electric.

Build one that can fly four hours

Wow.

So, what is the endurance with US minimum reserves?

@matthewspry4217

2 жыл бұрын

1 hour + 30 min reserve

@gregjennings9442

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewspry4217 : The last time that I looked it was 50 mins with a 15 min reserve. That they had to get an exemption for that to get its European certification

Should EA use capacitor stored power for take off? They discharge at a fast rate to get you into the air the convert to Lithium Sulfur batteries for crusing and landing

@skipondowntheroad5833

Жыл бұрын

The lithium batteries have enough current output for takeoff. Even the best ultracapacitors don't have enough energy density per weight to make them worth considering.

“THE PRICE”. WHAT’S THE STICKER PRICE?

Its to bad its against the law to hookup an generator to the motor. Would love to see the run time it would get.

@karhukivi

2 жыл бұрын

It would shorten the flying time as the generator would take energy from the motor i.e. the battery.

@scanadaze

2 жыл бұрын

@@karhukivi what about then since its an plane. Where it has high wind volume. Can something as wind turbines as turbos be connected to small generators work that don't produce an whistle sound into the frame work? I know solar panels have been done. They are proclaiming better batteries but we will see about that one. I would love to see one make as far as fuel or even longer.

@karhukivi

2 жыл бұрын

@@scanadaze Solar panels can generate power to increase the flying time, but a wind-driven turbine will add drag and slow the aircraft slightly which decreases the distance that can be covered by the charged battery. To concentrate more power in a battery will make them similar to explosives in terms of energy density, and the compositions could be dangerous, like caesium and fluorine, for example.

@JBoy340a

2 жыл бұрын

The video somewhat addressed that. When they pull back for power for landing the electricity flow reverses and the battery is charged. Just like an EV car when going downhill.

@karhukivi

2 жыл бұрын

@@JBoy340a That is potential energy (height) being converted back to chemical energy (battery).

Any idea what the TBR of the battery packs and TBO of the motor? Personally I don't see this being practical. The odds of both packs failing in a Carrington type or larger solar storm or a HAND-EMP is extremely high. Matter of fact, no electric vehicle has been tested or designed to survive any of these situations.

@LizMatzelle

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes, these VERY COMMON situations... *eyeroll* If the end of the world happens, it'll turn into a glider, sure, but I doubt that'll actually be your biggest worry in such an event ^^ (for anyone not sure what he's talking about.... the Carrington solar storm happened in 1859.... and was the largest solar event in recorded human history...)

@DawsonTyson

2 жыл бұрын

@@LizMatzelle not exactly. Ancient civilizations recorded larger events they just didn't have the understanding we had then and now. Massive solar events are cyclical and cause great change on all on the planets in our solar system. Our star is in a classification called (recurrent nova star) and has had a mass outer shell ejection every 12k-13k years. We are currently nearing the 13k year mark since the last such event we have found in geological record and coresponds with every magnetic excursion our plant has experienced. Which our planet is currently going through. If you'd like to look into this you can find it in consolidation on Suspicious Observers which is a YT-Ch, and in a book currently available in PDF only due to the paper shortage called "Weatherman's Guide to the Sun" by Ben Davidson. This book contains information obtained through the study of astronomers and geologists from around the world. These same scientists have just added to this pool of information with a new book release. These scientists are in organizations such as NASA, JAXA, ESA, NOAA, and more.

@JBoy340a

2 жыл бұрын

EV cars are going 300K+ miles with no engine work so I don't see that as an issue. Batteries life is an issue though.

@DawsonTyson

2 жыл бұрын

@@JBoy340a EV's use eletric motors not engines. Even if the life of a car is easy going the odds of a quality vehicle making it passed 275k without a bearing, ball joint, or tie rod going bad is somewhere around 3.5%. The most enviromentally detrimental mining operations are those that pull lithium, cobalt, nickle, and other heavy metals out of the ground. The other issue is that our power grid and energy production isn't ready for such a demand. Realistically the emissions of all power plants is already double that of all gasoline/diesel/LNG/PP vehicles. Even if our infrastructure could handle it the emissions of those plants and the additional plants that would be needed would be double or more the current levels. California already is having both brown outs and black outs that have risen with the sale of EV's in the state and the power companies have linked it to EV's on the grid.

@WattsUpDev

2 жыл бұрын

A Solar storm? I don’t this aircraft even rated to go that high. Also an EMP? Are you using it to drop grenades on Russia?

Toyota now has solid state batteries .

@TexanUSMC8089

2 жыл бұрын

LOL I think that was a scam or click bait story. No one has solid state batteries yet. The next improvement will probably be graphene, not solid state.

Why do you keep music playing the background. It’s distracting. And I don’t care to hear it.

An electric plane just flew for 15 minutes? Time to ban the sale of all jet fuel! Dont need it anymore, whoopie!

Internal combustion engines don’t have thousands of parts. Geeze - how can people take the rest of what you have to say seriously, after you make that initial statement?

There’s is zero reason for the guy in the right seat to have his thumb and forefinger hovering around the stick.

One hour flight? FFS.

Electric motors are superior to gas engines in every single way. People like to hate but this is a small step in the right direction. Eventually, batteries will catch up or hydrogen fuel cell (which uses hydrogen for storage and electric motor for propulsion) will advance enough to take over gas.

I don't see why it couldn't have an alternator that charged the batteries from the rotating electric motor. It may not be enough to keep it flying all day but it could increase the flying time to a few hours.

@karhukivi

2 жыл бұрын

That would not work - the alternator would be poaching energy from the motor, and with the inefficiencies in both motor and generator, the energy available and flying time would be reduced. No such thing as "free energy"!

@DrewWithington

Жыл бұрын

That makes no sense. Why would you run an alternator off the electric motor, when the batteries are powering the electric motor? If you mean having the plane gliding and the propellor acting like a wind turbine, the plane isn't a glider and probably won't glide very well.

The problem with e-planes is not the electric motor. The motor may actually be better than proper piston engines in some ways. The no-go is the battery, which will not improve to the point where it is a practical alternative. The deal breakers are range, weight, price, little to no recharging infrastructure, fire risk, massive battery replacement costs that largely offset any fuel savings, and unproven safety. There are many other shortcomings that are well known, this is just a few.

That is a small plane. When you get a 4 or 6 place plane capable of flight and a place to recharge at airports I will be excited.

@Justwantahover

2 жыл бұрын

There is a new e motor out there that is 12" round and 4" deep that weighs 30 kg and is 330 hp! The Pipestral Panthera is a 4 place e plane (or planned to be e). The prototype has a 250 hp Seimens e motor in it.

@4literv6

2 жыл бұрын

Alice from eviation 9 passenger electric powered 500mile range 300mph speed. Hundreds have been ordered already. It should enter service by 2024/25. Airports should get smart and install massive amounts of solar over parking areas hangers etc. And some wind turbines! Ad A few tesla megapacks or other grid scale energy storage systems and boom they could start raking in big buck's on emissions free flying. 😎

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

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Hemp bast hemicellulose graphene will change energy storage 😏 promise

The average joe will never be able to afford to fly.

How much do the batteries cost.

@ski3567

2 жыл бұрын

2 much

@waynerussell6401

9 ай бұрын

@@ski3567CATL wholesale as reported by Reuters 2020 - LFP cells $US60/kWh; NCM $80 - packs ~$100. Tesla 4680 NCA cells ~ $70kWh.

hydrogen converted cessna crapbox boom ez

Hydrogen fuel cell is the answer to range limit. Simple solution

Nope. At least not yet anyway.

just like an electric car only usable for commuting within an hour range so as trainer fine but as a toy to go flying i think it useless lets get hydrogen planes instead of full electric and or full hydrogen IC engines cleaner than anything going .

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These have the same problem as with solar and wind power generation. You can't generate enough power to haul an appreciable amount of weight, any appreciable distance. One hour of flight time might be fine for flight instruction, but I wouldn't want to fly across Arizona or New Mexico in one. We can try to move away from fossil fuels all you want. Electric will never compete equally. It's just physics. Once we have cold fusion, maybe.....

@Factory400

2 жыл бұрын

In the world of innovation.....this is called a baby step. There really is no issue with solar or wind generation.....the biggest limitation right now is storing energy. There is a lot of money and effort pouring into energy storage and only a matter of time before the the attributes cross. No one knows if that is 10 years or 30 years.....but it will only happen if baby steps like this are pursued. Early electric cars were horrible. Modern electric cars are amazing. Early airplanes were horrible - could hardly carry anything. A few decades later, airplanes were over 1,000,000lbs gross weight. Early jet engines were horrible - a few years later they completely replaced pretty much any new aircraft over 10 passengers.

@PistonAvatarGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Factory400 In the world of innovation.... this is called an enormous step backward. There is absolutely nothing which guarantees that electric aircraft will improve much beyond this point. Money and time don't allow the laws of physics to be broken.

@Factory400

2 жыл бұрын

@@PistonAvatarGuy Improving energy density in batteries defies physics?

@PistonAvatarGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Factory400 Absolutely no one is doing that in any significant way.

@Factory400

2 жыл бұрын

@@PistonAvatarGuy Uhhhhhh.....energy density has been steadily improving for a very long time. It continues to improve. We are not at the fringes of physics....we are only at the fringes of our present knowledge.

The batteries should be standardized and on lease type program so you can land, switch out for fully charged ones instead of waiting for them to charge…same for cars.

@Factory400

2 жыл бұрын

Switching battery packs is easier to write about than actually achieve in a practical way. So many people have tried, yet there is not yet a commercially successful implementation. In general, it adds weight which is probably the biggest barrier in the context of an aviation application.

@JBoy340a

2 жыл бұрын

This has been tried with cars. There is one of having the infrastructure to store and charge batteries. And since batteries degrade in capacity based on use patterns and age, do you want to swap for someone else's battery that may be degraded from your battery so has less power and less range.

@nicholasthon973

2 жыл бұрын

That’s extra weight.

@TexanUSMC8089

2 жыл бұрын

The battery pack on a Telsa covers the entire floor. It's not a hand swap option. LOL

@kmaclean77

2 жыл бұрын

Nio EV cars do this today. Airplanes can, too 😎

1 hour is not enough range people need to be able to travel 3 to 5 hours. also that plane is way to small for commercial use/cargo many of the c02 emitting plane flights are cargo flights and in many cases flying cargo produces less C02 then a very long cargo ship voyage or a drive across the country in a 10-15mpg semi-truck.

Great idea if you don’t live in Canada.the media doesn’t cover the problems with electric cars up here ,because it’s not political correct to be truthful anymore.

@DrewWithington

Жыл бұрын

You mean in the winter cold?

Still has much of the same problems that electric cars share. Its not really practical and it will stay in its niche, also its not environmentally friendly as most people believe.

Range & endurance. Until "electrics" can compete with gas machines, forget it...!!

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

wr9ng

With a range of just 75 miles who would want this? Their website says 50 mins. endurance, so you couldn't even get through a 1 hour lesson.

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

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First comment.

@FloridaFlying

2 жыл бұрын

My biggest fan

Without 10000% increase in battery capacity/technology, this will be the limit. No living person will see this in commercial application.

@ransomweaver5416

2 жыл бұрын

If you watched the video, you just SAW it in its commercial application: flight school. This is the very first commercially approved electric aircraft, and it's already a great value proposition for flight schools.

@dski8097

2 жыл бұрын

@@ransomweaver5416 It's a toy, that's about it.

@JBoy340a

2 жыл бұрын

@@ransomweaver5416 I agree. When I was getting my pilot's license I spent hour after hour flying in the pattern learning and local airwork (stalls, spin avoidance, etc.)

@PistonAvatarGuy

2 жыл бұрын

@@ransomweaver5416 There is no practical application for electric aircraft. This aircraft is nearly twice as expensive as the Rotax powered version of the same aircraft, its batteries are significantly more expensive than an engine rebuild for the ICE version of the same aircraft and they must be replaced 2 to 3 times as often. No one in their right mind would buy this thing to use for flight training.

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

thats forrundr batrries earth dint have naj earh tyoe 1

Given me a six seater twin that can do 3,000+fpm with at least a 1,500 NM range and I'll consider electric

@sharonbraselton4302

Жыл бұрын

chuef has 6200 nioes 6500 míke eltrc olanes

I still disagree, I'll just let the future speak for me.

So you have 1.5 hours of Non Revenue Flight where 6 Gals of 100LL can get you back in the air in 15 Min. Now electric flight will be Practical when you can pour H2O in the tank an a Hydrogen Fuel cell makes enough power to let you fly for 3 to four hours before needing to add a few gallons of water.

@chrisblake1918

2 жыл бұрын

Bingo.

@OzzySafa

2 жыл бұрын

The schools that use them in Europe have a fleet of them where they are charged by renewable energy from from their own solar field. When you want to have another lesson you just hop into another aircraft from the fleet and off you go.

No utility range and unlike fuel burner planes, as you fly off fuel, they get lighter , which this electric plane does not. For aviation, I dont see electric planes beating fuel burners for utility ever, unless they fit it with its own nuclear power generator like Nuclear submarines have or aircraft carrier war ships have .

Dude, you think jet fuel fires are bad, wait until you see lithium battery fires.

Bear with me in the comparison; we can incorporate into the wheel of an EV a coil so as to harvest the kinetic energy from the rotation of the wheel or wheels that would serve to continuously charge the battery array or the super-capacitor array or a hybrid of the two in order to have an EV with unlimited range that never needs to be plugged in. I call it perpetual PROPULSION, NOT PERPETUAL MOTION. The same principle could be used in an EP (electric plane). We can incorporate into the aerodynamic nose cone or even the propeller itself or both, a coil to harvest the kinetic energy from the rotation of the propeller in order to continuously charge the battery array or even a super-capacitor array or a hybrid of the two that would give us an EP with unlimited range, flying time and it would never need to be plugged in. Again, perpetual PROPULSION, NOT PERPETUAL MOTION. It has to work because wind energy production works.

@joelv4495

2 жыл бұрын

That’s the same thing as attaching an alternator to an electric motor and expecting to get more energy than you put in. Wind power generation only works because you’re not trying to move the turbine.

@oscarwindham6016

2 жыл бұрын

@@joelv4495Nonsense! The fact remains that there is kinetic energy that can be harvested from the rotation of the EV's wheel or wheels and eventually someone will figure out how to do it and that person will advance our society tremendously.

@TurkishLoserInc

2 жыл бұрын

@@oscarwindham6016 It sounds like you didn't, or shouldn't have, passed highschool physics. The wheels on the EV are being spun by drag as the EV travels through the air. They have a maximum RPM, as the faster they spin, the more drag they experience. For energy to be able to be produced from the tire spinning, either it must spin with immense torque at low speed, or at high speed(think thousands of rpm) and low torque. Neither scenario is encountered by the wheel. In addition, let's say that there is energy to be extracted, the generator would increase the weight penalty and complexity of the wheels. Also, assuming there is energy to be harvested, cables must now be run from each tire to the interior of the aircraft, with the thickness of the wire corresponding to the voltage and amperage being sent. 20KW is the sustaining flight power requirement, which at 220V(using higher voltage for thinner wire) is 90A, requiring 2AWG cables. Any lower voltage and the amperage increases substantially. Regardless, for each tire, there would be roughly 10lbs in cable added, plus the 30lb per generator capable of generating said power.

@oscarwindham6016

2 жыл бұрын

@@TurkishLoserIncI have an AS degree in Computer Science Electronics. Need I say More?

@grahamauld8894

2 жыл бұрын

@@oscarwindham6016 Quite a lot more actually...or better still, say less.

put. solar panels on one

I'd like to see Elon Musk get involved. I bet we'd have a 3+ hour flight time airplane in no time.