It's wild to think that folks believe humans need to write neatly for AI to understand. I'm definitely not one of those people. As a busy professional, I couldn't care less how my handwriting looks. I can read it, you can read it, and AI should be able to read it too. If not, I guess we don't need to worry about robots taking over the world just yet.

@brentboymebob8754

21 күн бұрын

From a developer's standpoint, considering OCR has been used to scan paper documents with no issue, I don't think "just write better" is the answer here, the app clearly needs work. This is especially the case when it's primarily for quick jotting and not professional work.

You didn’t demo one of the really cool features. Write a formula such as y = 2x + 7. Tap the = and select Insert graph. You’ll get an instant graph of the line. Now change the 7 to 13, and the graph will update. The graph works, of course, with more complex formuli as well.

@AngusMcAlister14

Ай бұрын

So in other words glorified Desmos?

@dudeman47thegoat

Ай бұрын

@@AngusMcAlister14 Lol

@smiththewright

Ай бұрын

@@AngusMcAlister14 LMAO! Exactly 😅

@wuhlheide

28 күн бұрын

I tried it but it realy isnt grreat right now. Maybe in a future beta I will have an easyer time with it

@trillex1861

25 күн бұрын

​@@AngusMcAlister14 No, a way worse desmos with fancy Interface

g = g.8 dude ur handwriting

@khonello

Ай бұрын

The AI was really good to translate the g.8 to 9.8

@Lukas_Kramer

22 күн бұрын

@@khonello That's something that AI needs to be trained on. In Germany, that's how the g and 9 are written. It'll have difficulties with the 7 as well, I am sure. It'll take some machine learning to figure this out, whether it'll be safe all the time I'm not sure.

@kumar_nitesh5

21 күн бұрын

I thought this would give a headache to app..but amazingly it recognized the difference. 😅

@dulranga_2

16 күн бұрын

bro has the best handwriting to test this

I'm shocked it knew what your 1 was

@Red_2022.

Ай бұрын

Yep same

@lol-vq8dh

27 күн бұрын

His 1 ist the most normal one there is lol

@p41n8

26 күн бұрын

@@lol-vq8dhbro yall delulu

@ZeldaTimeline

24 күн бұрын

@@lol-vq8dhthe one he writes at 3:58 looks like an upside-down V.

@lol-vq8dh

24 күн бұрын

@@ZeldaTimeline and thats how you write a one😂

I think it’s not recognising your scribble. You need to be a bit more careful when you are writing.

@paperlessmovement

Ай бұрын

I‘m a Doctor. This is the best handwriting it‘ll get from me. 🤣

@winningmatt6436

Ай бұрын

Ha² doctor's handwriting is the best..only other doctors and possibly nurses can read it.

@melgross

Ай бұрын

@@paperlessmovementcute, but you do need to try to be just a bit neater. I had the Newton and several Palm devices with handwriting recognition. Both worked well after they got used to my writing. But I did have to pay some attention to my lettering.

@teohlai5082

Ай бұрын

Just use voice to text 😂

@falklumo

Ай бұрын

With modern neural nets, OCR is superhuman. Apple not nailing the handwriting piece puts them to shame here.

Also, there is no room for the answer to appear on the screen. Might be the reason why you have to bring it down for it to work since there is more space on the bottom.

@TamasKiss-yk4st

Ай бұрын

It's not because of the more space, it's because this is just pure programing language, there is no programing language what can answer you the a+b+c if you only declared the a and b before, and the c just after the question.. it's not magic, it's programing, with handwriting (so you must follow the basic methods of the programing too, like initialize the variable first and make the question after that, all programing language read the screen in the same order from top to bottom and from left to right, and if the last variable is under the question that is still unprocessed by the programig language, so it's unknown.

@brentboymebob8754

21 күн бұрын

@@TamasKiss-yk4st As a developer, usually more linguistic CAS systems like this are not entirely sequential, Wolfram Alpha isn't for example. Considering many also use Apple Notes for non linear notes, it would be weird if Apple overlooked that by using vertical sequential execution rather than parallel.

Even I had issues in understanding the scribble 😊

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Like MathCad, vertical placement is important. Defined quantities may need to above

@nealc8424

Ай бұрын

I’m a MathCad user as well, and I wonder how much of MathCad’s functionality Apple has in this. 30 yrs ago, original MathCad was a Mac product, but not any longer. It would be great to have a product that works like MathCad and handles units of measurement too.

I love how the iPad will teach people how to actually write properly. If you don't learn this at nursery school, you will fail at every step of your life and make also the lives of your colleagues worse. They will continuously have problems with readability and hate documentation which was done by you.

@kacperjasinski274

Ай бұрын

Did you handwrote this comment?

@marcusnewman8639

Ай бұрын

I disagree. Computers will be faster in the long run.

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

The computer should follow you, not the other way around. Microsoft math Solver seems to work better at OCR.

@MrCheestr

25 күн бұрын

who said a 3 year old kid could have an ipad?

@mzr9710

25 күн бұрын

@@MrCheestrmost parents nowadays? lol

Now I understand why we strike through the numbers 0 and 7 when we handwrite, to differentiate them from 1 and the letter O. Considering this is a beta version, there will be errors in recognizing certain characters, symbols, and numbers in our handwriting. For example, your number 1 from X = 10 m/s looks like an upside-down letter V, and your letter A is inconsistent in shape and form. Hopefully, the calculator app will improve at recognizing our unique handwritten styles. I wonder if it would help if Apple provided a list of alphabets and numbers with boxes for us to write them in our style three or four times, to improve the app or iPad's recognition system like Touch ID or Face ID.

@paperlessmovement

Ай бұрын

But you recognized the 1 and A. So AI will do too eventually. 🤞

@melgross

Ай бұрын

@@paperlessmovementand this is why I dislike the term AI. I much prefer the way Apple stated it as machine learning. I just saw an interview with Steve Wozniak. He stated that he had real AI built into him. He called it “actual Intelligence”.

@nealc8424

Ай бұрын

The way he wrote a 1 is consistent with how Germans (and most?) Europeans write it. So the iPad “should” be able to understand that.

@melgross

Ай бұрын

@@nealc8424 only American English for now. That’s how Apple usually does things. Make sure it works properly with one language, the home country, then move to others once things are working properly.

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

The software uses simple OCR to detect the handwriting. Any decent OCR software, would have had no problems with his writing. It's not like OCR is a new thing. It has been around since the early days of computers. And Microsoft managed this 6 years ago, with Microsoft Math Solver. Comes with IOS support too.

I wonder if the recognition of your handwriting will get better when they turn on the feature that makes your handwriting neater automatically. I don't see that on in the beta yet, but I wonder if once that starts working we'll get better handwriting recognition as well.

Partial differential equations is the real question.

@jacobperreault6844

Ай бұрын

For me I’m more interested in calculus, cause de are not very easy for computer to cycle through possibilities, and de usually have multiple methods of solving, if it could compute anti-derivatives or derivatives though, I’d be impressed

@Moh-cs5ck

Ай бұрын

Don't think it's programmed for something that advanced. Even wolfram alpha one of the best calculators out there isn't

@jacobperreault6844

Ай бұрын

@@Moh-cs5ck lmao that’s why I’d be so impressed

@Moh-cs5ck

Ай бұрын

@@jacobperreault6844 yeah maybe in another 10 years😂😂

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

This is what Microsoft Math Solver supports: ● Elementary: arithmetic, real, complex numbers, LCM, GCD, factors, and percentages ● Pre-Algebra: radicals and exponents, fractions, matrices, determinants ● Algebra: quadratic equations, system of equations, inequalities, rational expressions, linear, quadratic and exponential graphs ● Basic Calculus: summations, limits, derivatives, integrals ● Statistics: mean, median, mode, standard deviation, permutations, combinations Sets a goal for Apple to live up to. MMS also do graphs and tells you how to solve an equation. It has a daily math challenge and a math game built in.

Your video is very helpful. I was spending an hour writing it on the side and nothing showed and I thought the feature didn't come with the beta. I expect to use it to demonstrate the calculation to my students, hope it works well.

Indeed, variables needs to be declared first and then you can use a formula. These rules are taught in school and applies almost everywhere (for example in programming).

Awaiting to give it a try for my structural design classes

It`s like MathCAD... You need to set the variable in a vertical position above the calculation assembly.

I wonder if hand writing 'recognition' would work better if you used the 'convert to typed' pen?

We already had really good calculator in search, on Home Screen. But this new features make it worth it, to have a special app

as mathematical language it is necessary to have the espression and definition orientad as a book is read. it's very similar to mathcad that require to be precise to be functional

This is the funniest video I’ve seen this week.

Does this only work in apple notes or does it also work in other applications like goodnotes

Curious if it can solve for. Beam deflection and moment or sectional method for trusses

I think the reason no results appear at 5:00, is because there isn't enough space for the answer to be drawn. Haven't tested it out yet but it seems like that is the case.

Bro I don't even recognise your letters.

Now I‘m confused. I let some people try the handwriting recognition and it always worked. Even with text I couldn’t read. Pretty cool feature as a student

Can you set the Calculator to RPN Mode? I really like my HP 48gx

Is this available for download?

You could use a red dot a blue dot and a green dot, also if it would show the work that would be amazing

Maybe using more color can help the understanding ?

It‘s also possible to use it via text (you can directly write 1+1= for example and it will fill in 2) Now here‘s a really interesting problem: it has issues with some formula variables: for example, if you type: l=0.1m F=100N M=F*l It will spit out: M‎ = 0.1 m⁴·kg/sec² Even though it should be 10Nm, so it struggles with some variables letters and unit letter like M for torque and m for meters

Would love to use this for civil engineering calculations. It would be great to have hand calc sheets with variables rather than just relying on excel.

Hope that Apple makes a way for its users to distinguish when it writes something. The system should know how to use the written language depending on how it was written. For example, an oval with a slash in it is a zero but a simple circle is an o. We should be able to let the system say this is how I write these items ahead of times so interpret it as this way.

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

The reason why I find Microsoft Math Solver to be better, is exactly because it shows you what it thought you wrote, on the fly.

Theres been apps for this since like 6 years ago. It was hype for a but but died out when people realized how annoying it becomes when you get more detailed equations

Thanks for the video. Is this new feature coming for any iPad that supports ios 18?

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

Or just use Microsoft Math Solver.

The problem with the first test was the type of “x” you used. From what I was taught in my country we use the cursive x for algebra to differentiate between the multiplication sign which is also x. The AI probably couldn’t discern if you were writing a variable or a multiplication sign.

Cool to see it inaction outside the keynote. How does the rest of the OS feel? I guess not improvements to stage manager or files?

@paperlessmovement

Ай бұрын

It feels great!! I love the new design options! Also the new control center is great! But didn’t dive too deep into things like file management.

Ok, so the thing that interests me the most about as a student is if it is capable to solve 2nd, 3rd grade equations or if it can do sistema of equations. Just that would be incredible, otherwise it’s just for day to day math which can regularly be done without this…

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

I'm no math expert, but Microsoft Math Solver can do the following: ● Elementary: arithmetic, real, complex numbers, LCM, GCD, factors, and percentages ● Pre-Algebra: radicals and exponents, fractions, matrices, determinants ● Algebra: quadratic equations, system of equations, inequalities, rational expressions, linear, quadratic and exponential graphs ● Basic Calculus: summations, limits, derivatives, integrals ● Statistics: mean, median, mode, standard deviation, permutations, combinations I'm sure, the Apple math app will at least do what the Microsoft app can do, once it's fully developed. MMS also comes for IOS.

Can iPad 10th generation have this new calculator app with math notes?

You also need to make sure that calculations is below the variables

He really tested it what that handwriting 😂

It works for iPad pro 6 M2?

bro has the best handwriting to test this

Tbh I just write my own in Numbers, or use Google calculator, but it does look nice , only took 10+ years .

Great video. I think the iPad Calculator and Math notes are fantastic. You proved like any specialized program you should work with their parameters, not do your own thing and say it “doesn’t work”. It’s in the recommended Math Notes app that all the software works.

@slowcatto

Ай бұрын

It’s a calculator - it should just work without all that faffing about. Certainly you couldn’t rely on this to do anything serious. In the meantime, MyScript calculator app (which has been around for years) does much of this without all the fuss.

extremely raw recognition algorithms. I thing thousands of scholars will break their iPads if it will work like this.

Hi, I am an android user and i would like to have this app, does anyone knows a similar app or a way to install it on android? Thanks ❤❤

Can it do calculus, is the biggest question?🤔

@sambitgarai3195

Ай бұрын

No

@The12thSeahorse

Ай бұрын

You may have to wait another ten years for that level.

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

Microsoft Math Solver is supported on IOS. It can do: ● Elementary: arithmetic, real, complex numbers, LCM, GCD, factors, and percentages ● Pre-Algebra: radicals and exponents, fractions, matrices, determinants ● Algebra: quadratic equations, system of equations, inequalities, rational expressions, linear, quadratic and exponential graphs ● Basic Calculus: summations, limits, derivatives, integrals ● Statistics: mean, median, mode, standard deviation, permutations, combinations

Motorolla Stylus phone have this feature for years

its likely the 'x' should be written like in algebra as its the same as multiplication

How should i update my ipad to ios 18 ?

@oversouledict2005

16 күн бұрын

you wait for it to release in (i believe) september this year, then itll let you update

Why can’t i find it in my new ipad m4

I’ve tried it for some time now, it’s great for simple tasks but needs lots of work for higher order math, the graph feature is amazing though, and the variables are great but it struggles with longer variable names

@julianrankosky6465

14 сағат бұрын

So it IS able to do calc? just not well? Cuz I am going into second year nuke engineering and I would LOVE to have this if it can lol

@jamesmejia2955

13 сағат бұрын

@@julianrankosky6465 it can’t do calc yet, let’s wait till it’s fully released and see if it works by then

Tested it yesterday myself. Apple has massive issues recognizing letters as variables...

What about integration and derivative equations. Can it solve them .

I was trying it out yesterday and had all the same problems ☹️

I wish i had this in school.

only this dude can destroy skynet with his encrypted handwriting 💯

I think for the first beta of this idea is astonishing. Yeah it's not a heavy hitter yet, but imagine in a few years when it can solve more complex equations.

Does this handle Differentials and Integrals from Calculus?

Can someone put the link for this app here. I can’t seem to find it on my iPad which I find strange. Much appreciated.

@paperlessmovement

Ай бұрын

It's not officially released yet. It's part of iPadOS18, which I've downloaded the beta version and tested it in this video.

What they could do in the future are, derivatives, integrals, matrices and so on…

It doesn't have to be in calculator notes....? Notes app will do all i tried it

perhaps trying to write instead of scribble might help

Hi gentelman do you think it works for ipad 9th gen?

@nalinh0

22 күн бұрын

i hope so

You could easily do calculations in the search bar.

Next step is to add a flashlight 😂

For which ipad versions? Do I have to download the calculator app?

@frankwales

Ай бұрын

It will be part of iOS 18, coming later this year. I don't know if Apple have announced the supported iPads yet.

@plop_09

Ай бұрын

@@frankwalesyes it’s in their website, iPad OS 18 will be available with these: iPad Pro (M4) iPad Pro 12.9-inch (3rd generation and later) iPad Pro 11-inch (1st generation and later) iPad Air (M2) iPad Air (3rd generation and later) iPad (7th generation and later) iPad mini (5th generation and later)

@libnlr75tech6

Ай бұрын

​@@plop_09so it's coming for 9th gen right?

@plop_09

Ай бұрын

@@libnlr75tech6 yep, 7th Gen and up 👌

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

I hope for Apple, that it works for any Apple product. It's not like it's magic.

I bought an expensive calc app fpr the ipad no later than two weeks ago… lol.. my proverbial luck

have to say how you write the numbers is very different then how Americans do it. I didn't have as much trouble with iPad math notes when I tested it

It does a great job though

Do you HAVE to have the pencil or can my finger work?

Wow, that’s really bad. :) Thanks for the demo!

It sees the x as multiplication

It's not magic, it's simple programing. You can't get the a+b+c if you only declare the a and b, there you only can get the result for a+b. So you must declare the c too before you ask the a+b+c.. just check any programig language, it's the same (also it's read the data in the same oreder, from top to bottom and from left to right, so the c must be declared over or before, it can't be declared after or under the question), they just made it avaliable with handwriting too (also you must make your writing a bit more consistent, like if you cross the A at the middle first, than you cross the A at the top, that is basicaly can be two different char in many languages, since there are language where the Ā is exists, so you must cross the A nearly on the same spot)

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

The software uses simple OCR and OCR has been around for many decades. It should be capable of recognizing his handwriting. If Microsoft Math Solver can do it, so can this new app eventually.

His 1 looks like an A without the line the middle

@paperlessmovement

4 күн бұрын

Why do you recognize it, but AI doesn’t?

I hope samsung adds this to one ui devices

You could use a red dot a blue dot and a green dot

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

No! This is basic OCR. It should work.

Haha - reminds me of the Newton.

Actually, having the iPad since day one, I never missed the Apple calculator. That’s a tech reviewer issue.

Please ask every Apply employee you encounter to add a "Financial" mode to the new calculator app, in addition to the Basic, Scientific, and Math Notes app. A "Financial" mode would handle PV, FV, PMT, N, & I.

Will this be available to my iPad 6 mini?

@anshulsanghi8161

Ай бұрын

Can’t say for sure, but it works on my iPhone 12 Pro. So I guess it should.

@Luigi_bros4321

Ай бұрын

​@@anshulsanghi8161The iPhone isn't the iPad...

@anshulsanghi8161

Ай бұрын

@@Luigi_bros4321 That's why I prefaced with "Can't say for sure"

@Luigi_bros4321

Ай бұрын

@@anshulsanghi8161 but yeah, the iPad mini 6 is the newest mini and WILL be getting it

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

Microsoft Math Solver. Supports IOS.

I love apple added math note on the calculator but... does android do this before apple released the calculator? I just wanted to know?

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

What do you mean? If Google will add a similar app like this for Android? While Google develops the Android OS, they only develop apps for their own hardware, like Google Pixel phones and many of their apps don't even come pre-installed. Although all their apps can be installed on any Android phone. I've heard Google has a similar app, but if not, there's Microsoft Math Solver, that has been around for some years. Also for IOS. It's in many ways way more advanced. And there are other Android apps, that are out there, that does similar.

@Imraight_the_animator

Ай бұрын

@@akyhne wait wat...?

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

@@Imraight_the_animator It's nit like it's rocket science. These apps use simple OCR to scan the screen, then figures out there's a math question, that needs to be solved. This could have been developed in at least back to the 1990s and in fact, there was a handheld scientific calculator in the 90s, that could do something similar. Of course not as advanced. But still.

@Imraight_the_animator

Ай бұрын

@@akyhne ok??? but what the name?

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

@@Imraight_the_animator Of the app? Microsoft Math Solver as i already wrote.

Anyone knows if there's an app like this in android? I'm not whiling to pay a thousand dollars just for this

Your g and 9 look exactly the same. On that point alone, you can't blame the AI

Can it solve? Like: 5 + x = 17 ==> x = 12

@paperlessmovement

Ай бұрын

Nope

@mrm0815

Ай бұрын

@@paperlessmovement Danke, schade

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

Microsoft Math Solver can.

I think you placed the equation to an area where the answer cant fit

Your #1 doesn’t look like a typical 1 so I think it’s struggling to determine if it’s a letter. It almost looks like your letter A

I am done with third party apps & subscriptions. Apple’s native apps are the goat!!

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

Well, for now at least, Microsoft Math Solver is more advanced. No need to drop that now, if you are using that.

3:55 if you are calling this a 10 then i think i am also an AI because I am unable to recognise it as a ten 😂

It cant differentiate if your (X) is a variable or a multiplication sign…change how you write your X

I think I know the cause of the problem you kept facing. I guess that they’re because you put the calculation equation higher than the place where you declared the variables. It works like programming. It only works from the top to the bottom. If you put equations before you declare the variables, it won’t recognize them.

@IkesinInsight

Ай бұрын

2:15 You wrote perfect “A” but you put it before you declared it.

I hope this help people start write correcly

@GaleGummola

Ай бұрын

Correcly

even if they fix issues mentioned here, i really don’t find this app that impressive… photomath, maple and microsoft have been doing this for years. only thing new here is the pre-defined variables… but like, really? that’s it?

Bros 9 and g looks the same 😭

apple costumers are even stupid enough to spend that amount on a tablet with no calculator😮

This is FluidMath circa 2013

Even I can’t recognise x is 10 here

I hope this isn’t how the calculator is gonna work, as there is a lot of scope for improvement. My handwriting is neat, it’s just that, the calculator isn’t smart enough to understand even if things are in chronological order.

A lot of people say your handwriting looks ugly and hard to read and I agree, but that should not stop the AI from being unable to understand your text. After all this is Apple, the most expensive consumer tech in the world. They definetely need to work on their hand writing recognition tech and they also need to add more math abilities

@akyhne

Ай бұрын

There are pro OCR software, that can do much better, than even Apple can put into this app. They have been around for decades, so they have a clear head start. Don't assume, just because it's Apple, that they can out perform any other software company. They can't!