I put a giant battery in our e-NV200 and it's glorious

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  • @matthewaride2234
    @matthewaride22344 ай бұрын

    Amazing how you grew from trying to upgrade your nissan leaf in a small garage into a viable battery upgrading company, one of the best in the EU. You motivated others and cap off to you guys. Determined and focused.

  • @nickschultz1244
    @nickschultz12444 жыл бұрын

    That battery pack is glorious! Glad to hear everyone is healthy in your shop and congratulations on the ever increasing number of conversions. Always look forward to your updates!

  • @clairebinder166
    @clairebinder1664 жыл бұрын

    Wow, convert a Sprinter or Crater to electric with this and I may finally have compelling Camper Van basis. Keep up the great work

  • @erwinvandoeselaar7352

    @erwinvandoeselaar7352

    4 жыл бұрын

    hi Claire, if you would like to have a campervan electrically powered, please let me know. Together with Muxsan Kazoo Campers intends to convert a couple of those e-NV200's into camper vans. Right after that the e-Sprinter might become an option. Hope to hear from you, best regards, Erwin

  • @herreuittenhout3455

    @herreuittenhout3455

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@erwinvandoeselaar7352 Interrested!

  • @MetalMike50
    @MetalMike504 жыл бұрын

    Opel Vivaro-e announced a few days ago has a 75 kWh battery. So finally a decent range in a van Pluspunten voor de Alleweder!

  • @mauriceschoenen
    @mauriceschoenen4 жыл бұрын

    Wow. You’re literally one of the coolest companies on the planet.

  • @fusion8484
    @fusion84844 жыл бұрын

    Awesome man 👍

  • @Top12Boardsport
    @Top12Boardsport4 жыл бұрын

    Great work.

  • @stevencorrea6946
    @stevencorrea69464 жыл бұрын

    I would love to have that Nissan Leaf. I hope you guys continue to continue to do good. I love the corona the Sun.

  • @countteddy
    @countteddy4 жыл бұрын

    my 2014 ENV is only 24kw , but I regularly use her to do 400 miles in one trip.....a bit of charger planning , some patience and plenty of coffee , no worries at all ...love it....

  • @mohammedayesh3927

    @mohammedayesh3927

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wtf

  • @clevernduruza8624

    @clevernduruza8624

    4 жыл бұрын

    You have a lot of patience

  • @buckegit
    @buckegit4 жыл бұрын

    Would you consider the 35kwh e-golf as an extender project? And amazing car only let down by us average miles

  • @dr.projectx5142
    @dr.projectx51424 жыл бұрын

    That is nice to have a 175kw charger to that Nissan. That is cool.

  • @davidbradley3982
    @davidbradley39824 жыл бұрын

    great job on the van ,... i really like it.

  • @Patchworkdaddy007
    @Patchworkdaddy0074 жыл бұрын

    The Nissan Leave 1 is a nice car with a battery problem. If you can replace the battery by yourself it's perfect. But if you will let replace from Nissan you have lost!

  • @FirstDan2000
    @FirstDan20004 жыл бұрын

    Do you have any cooling problems with the added batteries?

  • @AWildBard
    @AWildBard4 жыл бұрын

    Great idea!

  • @RickRick552
    @RickRick5524 жыл бұрын

    Put in an extra layer of batteries, we want 1000KM range :)

  • @FM-ll3vo
    @FM-ll3vo4 жыл бұрын

    Hi. I would like to know if possible where do you get that baterie modules and what the specs from one module. Thanks. I have been seen your videos and progress, i must say you doing well. Very good work.

  • @douglasalanthompson
    @douglasalanthompson4 жыл бұрын

    We are waiting for Muxsan US branch

  • @GoingOffGrid101
    @GoingOffGrid1014 жыл бұрын

    beastly van! I kinda want one :D

  • @corresandberg
    @corresandberg4 жыл бұрын

    Awesome stuff!!! I am thinking about building an electric MC. So I'm guessing I can fit around 10kWh or some more before it gets to heavy. What sized CCS onboard charger is there to buy with small form factor? And what rate of charge could it be (how long is the rope, I know). Keep at it!!

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    You're not talking about CCS I think, I think you mean an AC (type 2) charger. Take a look at TC charger, we use them for three phase charging. With a small battery like that, you shouldn't charge at a fast charger, you're limited to approx. 15-20kW

  • @loz11968
    @loz119684 жыл бұрын

    What is the weight of the battery pack you added? As they have a load capacity of 658kg and that’s including the driver / passenger

  • @johnmclaughlin2845
    @johnmclaughlin28454 жыл бұрын

    That van is going to go through tyres like crazy

  • @georgestewart1983

    @georgestewart1983

    4 ай бұрын

    I upgraded the tyres on my heavy campervan (3500kg) and they will do over 30,000 miles !

  • @CrAzYDr1veR
    @CrAzYDr1veR4 жыл бұрын

    dream van!

  • @chucknutbraker
    @chucknutbraker4 жыл бұрын

    where do you get your batteries from, and how much do they cost?

  • @cdwwillow9671
    @cdwwillow96714 жыл бұрын

    Often wonder about house battery’s or two in a van ?? Stand then up ??

  • @Nismo3
    @Nismo34 жыл бұрын

    Muxsan should bring some cooling-parts for the Leaf 2. I think there is a huge market for it.

  • @mondotv4216
    @mondotv42164 жыл бұрын

    What do you do with the Outlanders?

  • @nickbull6603
    @nickbull66034 жыл бұрын

    175kW CCS??...I'll be remortgaging my house by the time I see you guys in July 😂

  • @matroosoft4589
    @matroosoft45894 жыл бұрын

    Regarding your upgraded Leaf being okay-ish, how about the infotainment unit (center console unit). If I recall correctly, you once talked about planning to replace it. Is that still the plan?

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes, but it's a lower priority project now - mainly because I ran into issues changing CAD programs. It's a lot of very finicky modeling to get a nicely fitting center console cover that also mounts correctly. Also after the mechanical bits, I still need to figure out cabling and some interface stuff for the A/C and rear view camera.

  • @matroosoft4589

    @matroosoft4589

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PowerElectronicsBlog Oké cool to see that it's at least still in the works. For work I do CAD design on a daily basis (work with Autodesk Inventor), I can probably help if you want. Also I designed a 3D printed phone holder bracket which I mounted to the center console by removing the airbag warning light in the center console. I can share it if you're interested, some viewers might like it. Don't want to push anything. :) Keep up the good work

  • @CosgroveNotts
    @CosgroveNotts4 жыл бұрын

    Great payload

  • @xchopp
    @xchopp4 жыл бұрын

    Adding my 2c to the 2016 e-Golf upgrade requests!

  • @jazdan223
    @jazdan2234 жыл бұрын

    Awesome!

  • @gunleifjoensen3815
    @gunleifjoensen38154 жыл бұрын

    Really cool velomobiel, an Alleweder?

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Original (Flevobike) Alleweder, yes!

  • @kararmahdi4561
    @kararmahdi45614 жыл бұрын

    hi, is it possible to extend the range for Toyota Prius?

  • @bnrynlds
    @bnrynlds3 жыл бұрын

    Is that an Alleweder on the workbench?

  • @HandyKindaGuyUK
    @HandyKindaGuyUK3 жыл бұрын

    I've been meaning to ask this last night.. I've been offered a full 80kw battery pack from a tesla. How compatible are the battery packs with the Nissan env?

  • @04dram04
    @04dram044 жыл бұрын

    But how much cargo weight can you have now? Seems like the batteries would eat it all up

  • @muse0ver
    @muse0ver3 жыл бұрын

    could you tell me where you bought the side bars on the nv200 and how much they cost please?

  • @ricardoscotti2086
    @ricardoscotti20863 жыл бұрын

    Is the a Alleweder-Velomobile?

  • @cupidupi9282
    @cupidupi92824 жыл бұрын

    Amazing job, boys. Finally it has a CCS charging and probably better handling in corners. However, this weighs a lot and consumption goes a bit higher. I can't still believe the 500 km range. Maybe in 50 km/h.

  • @EngineeringNibbles

    @EngineeringNibbles

    4 жыл бұрын

    75kwh won't bring more than 300km highway, but that's already quite excellent

  • @vladzis

    @vladzis

    4 жыл бұрын

    Check his previous videos, he did a test at motorway speeds with this battery. Not sure that do you mean better handling in corners? It's a van, not a car. I have 3rd party alloys on mine and it's like sticked to tarmac. Consumption isn't much changed at cruise speeds on motorways. 133k mile, from new, e-NV200 owner here. Just to add, mine has SoH of 77%, and at 50km/h I still can get 120-130km of range, so do you maths over your negativity please, before commenting nonsense

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    We've now tried out the range on 2 weekend drives. First weekend we drove it 330km and had about 100 left. Second we started at ~80%, drove almost 300km, charged 6kWh and arrived with 25%. I'd say a realistic mixed-use range is 450km now. Just highways or high speed, it can get as low as 300km.

  • @EngineeringNibbles

    @EngineeringNibbles

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@vladzis The Zoe I use with a 41kwh battery does about 22kwh/100km on the highway, I don't think it's overly negative to extrapolate that the overall consumption for the env would be a little higher. Small edit: a Peugeot partner electric I tried was higher, around 24kwh/100km on highway I guess flatter ground in the Netherlands with better weather and lower speed limits help compared to here, I'm glad to see that Powerelecyronics gets decent range and with ccs it'll be a crazy van.

  • @thymecapsule619
    @thymecapsule6192 жыл бұрын

    hey just wondering if you could install and connect custom solar roof panels to further extend the range?would that make sense for a big car like env200 instead of expensive batteries like an alternative option.

  • @thymecapsule619

    @thymecapsule619

    2 жыл бұрын

    for example when parked in a sunny spot during camping you would charge a good bit off grid.

  • @dr.projectx5142
    @dr.projectx51424 жыл бұрын

    Man I wish I could get one of these vans. With a large usable battery pack. And add a CC's charger for fast charging. And for long trips and the extra room for 8 passengers.

  • @Wookey.

    @Wookey.

    4 жыл бұрын

    There is a big queue of us waiting. For me the env200 is a little bit too small. The e-VITO size is about right, or a master, but then you need a lot of battery and a fuck-off charger to fill it up in s sensible period of time, which all costs money. And SFAIK no-one is doing the reverse-enginering for those platforms that Muxsan has done for the Nissan stuff. I could, given enough time, and it might come to that one day, but I have a house to fix first so I'm waiting to see if anyone actually makes something commercial. Rivian platform, buzz, transporter/vito battery upgrades.

  • @jesuskingofkings
    @jesuskingofkings4 жыл бұрын

    Do you have that NV-200 for sale? I’m interested in buying 5 of them from you.

  • @williamerazo3921

    @williamerazo3921

    3 жыл бұрын

    Same here in the US

  • @williamerazo3921

    @williamerazo3921

    3 жыл бұрын

    I need 2 of them passenger version used and imported here in the states

  • @londonflowermarket7394
    @londonflowermarket73944 жыл бұрын

    Is this safe? How much is to convert?

  • @antoinem01
    @antoinem014 жыл бұрын

    Ughly cough there at the beginning Emile! Please take care. Very interested in getting my LifeSpyPro to show the correct kWh number too!

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Subscribe to Leaf Spy Pro beta play.google.com/apps/testing/com.Turbo3.Leaf_Spy_Pro you need version 0.45.131

  • @RamonInOrlando
    @RamonInOrlando4 жыл бұрын

    Happy to hear you Guys are doing good in this Coronavirus time!!! For what we know you are the best in Nissan Extended Range Worldwide. Please let us know when you are opening an office or some kind of partnership in the United States, Central Florida. There's a group of us looking for a solution. Best regards

  • @vladzis

    @vladzis

    4 жыл бұрын

    I thought e-NV200 is not being sold in USA?

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@vladzis it's available in/from canada (bit rare though)

  • @adrianthorpe8005
    @adrianthorpe80054 жыл бұрын

    Does is 40 kw direct swap on 24 kw ? Env200

  • @Arjanvde
    @Arjanvde4 жыл бұрын

    I’m still interested in upgrading our C-Zero batteries -> will result in swapping the battery pack with a larger battery capacity due to the lack of trunk space.

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Probably something we'll be trying out this year still. The Outlander, Partner, i-Miev, C-Zero, iOn, e-Berlingo, they all share a bunch of drivetrain components. I don't think we will have an actual product to sell, but definitely one or two prototypes driving around

  • @Arjanvde

    @Arjanvde

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PowerElectronicsBlog Would be interested to see if you can offer an alternative for the LEV50's which are currently installed in the i-Miev. If you need the car for a day research please let me know.

  • @samusaran7317

    @samusaran7317

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Arjanvde I can relate to your struggle. Poor little mitsu

  • @richij

    @richij

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PowerElectronicsBlog some Australians are hypothesising that the Samsung 94 Ah cells will fit

  • @mavenhelm
    @mavenhelm4 жыл бұрын

    Where did you get the 40KWh battery and what year is it? I’m thinking about buying a 2011 for $3000 add new battery and DC quick charger

  • @pashko90

    @pashko90

    4 жыл бұрын

    Charlie, 40KWh will cost you around 5-7k$

  • @theairstig9164

    @theairstig9164

    4 жыл бұрын

    ... except in Australia where it will be 80% of whatever a new Leaf sells for. I'm not being sarcastic, its actually what happened

  • @MrMarty77
    @MrMarty774 жыл бұрын

    It'd be cool to replace that wooden cover/floor with a thick transparent Plexiglass panel.

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    We would too! But that's not allowed, plexiglass is mighty flammable and reacts with battery solvents. We're going to put a sticker on or something like that.

  • @MrMarty77

    @MrMarty77

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PowerElectronicsBlog Ahh that's a shame. Sticker it is I suppose :p

  • @nebulous962
    @nebulous9623 жыл бұрын

    does the chademo charging still work? and does it charge at the same power? or can you make it charge more range per hour because of the upgraded battery?

  • @nebulous962

    @nebulous962

    3 жыл бұрын

    oh okay you talked about it on the video :)

  • @dmitriyl4177
    @dmitriyl41773 жыл бұрын

    What is the weight of that monster battery?

  • @TEACHER0786
    @TEACHER07864 жыл бұрын

    Awesome

  • @svenwesterlund3405
    @svenwesterlund34054 жыл бұрын

    How about some aero modding to extend the range? Full moon rims, smallar rear view mirrors, slightly lower car, flat under belly etc

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yep, working on that very soon (tm), the only reason they don't exist yet is because of our big milling machine being busy and currently broken down. I have models for rear skirts already.

  • @skepticfucker280
    @skepticfucker2804 жыл бұрын

    Cover it in solar panels!

  • @gorazdnovsak3705
    @gorazdnovsak37054 жыл бұрын

    How much is that CCS controler?

  • @pashko90

    @pashko90

    4 жыл бұрын

    And what is controller part number?

  • @Sjalabais

    @Sjalabais

    4 жыл бұрын

    EXACTLY. So many words on it, but the informational content got lost. Great can though.

  • @Simon-dm8zv
    @Simon-dm8zv4 жыл бұрын

    Does the RDW care about adding aftermarket batteries in the cargo space or even underneath the vehicle? I wonder what they say at the annual APK.

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nope, as far as they're concerned it's just cargo. We've had confirmation from two dozen customers so far that nobody even saw the modifications on the APK.

  • @Simon-dm8zv

    @Simon-dm8zv

    4 жыл бұрын

    PowerElectronicsBlog Thanks for your reply. That’s great news. Do you think adding additional batteries underneath a vehicle would be allowed as well?

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Simon-dm8zv First off, I should note that there ARE rules to be followed (quite stringent ones as well, e.g. UN/ECE 100 and IEC 6469-1), which all our products are designed for. And yes, we're going to install our first under-vehicle battery (on an e-NV200 EVALIA) on July 9th, so around then we'll be evaluating whether we're going to make that a standard product and of course making a video about it.

  • @Simon-dm8zv

    @Simon-dm8zv

    4 жыл бұрын

    PowerElectronicsBlog An under-vehicle extension battery for the e-NV200 sounds like a perfect product. Looking forward to your progress on this. Great work 👍🏻

  • @Nieminenracing

    @Nieminenracing

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PowerElectronicsBlog Want to see this! what size extension you are planning under-vehicle? i have 40kw evalia and something about 20-24kw extra would make this car almost perfect!

  • @frankbonheure7064
    @frankbonheure70644 жыл бұрын

    just a question, is it possible to use leaf spy on other electric cars ? Lets say a twizzy

  • @mjk8019

    @mjk8019

    4 жыл бұрын

    Frank Bonheure no, but you can use OVMS for that.

  • @TestTest-eb8jr
    @TestTest-eb8jr4 жыл бұрын

    You didn't mention the price of the CCS controller...🤔

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    This controller... it's more than a large extender battery. We'll be developing our own sub-€1000 solution.

  • @TestTest-eb8jr

    @TestTest-eb8jr

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PowerElectronicsBlog That is a rediculous price as you menioned in the video. I'll be looking forward to your solution. 🖒🖒🖒

  • @moestrei

    @moestrei

    4 жыл бұрын

    How did you integrate the bigger battery capacity into the factory display for range? Did you hack the Mitsubishi??

  • @fabianfeilcke7220

    @fabianfeilcke7220

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TestTest-eb8jr Developing and testing a reliable CCS Controler is quite an undertaking. There is a reason the Vector one is so pricy

  • @meesterJos
    @meesterJos4 жыл бұрын

    Wat kost dat beetje extra voor de e-NV200?

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    muxsan.com

  • @sharptoothtrex4486
    @sharptoothtrex44863 жыл бұрын

    If you do this for Toyota Priuses and Chevy Volts as if you did with Nissan Leafs, I am sure Toyota, Nissan and GM love to have them for their future electric cars.

  • @MiKe_eKiM
    @MiKe_eKiM4 жыл бұрын

    Bruh I need a a new battery upgrade for my 2016 Volkswagen egolf

  • @willyd-adv
    @willyd-adv4 жыл бұрын

    Would a JDM Env200 not be better for you as it already has fast charging? Also why aren't van manufacturers coming out with bigger battery pack? I mean 80km on a brand new E-veto..... please

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's got fast charging, it's just that it's 50kW chademo (so in practice: 38-44kW). That's very slow if your battery is around 80kWh, so it needs faster charging. Chademo isn't getting upgraded much in the near future, so we're adding 175kW CCS.

  • @smeghead6123
    @smeghead61233 жыл бұрын

    Illegal tow bar? Why what's the law in the Netherlands for tow bars. Absolutely brilliant van.

  • @laszloperesztegi
    @laszloperesztegi3 жыл бұрын

    Why not put the battery pack to the driver divider wall and build a wall-like brick model on top and sides of each other? That would sound more like space saving for me and might not cause too much weight imbalance.

  • @ivancajka732
    @ivancajka7324 жыл бұрын

    Imagine a triple stacked baterry at 200 kwh

  • @eddieyutub
    @eddieyutub4 жыл бұрын

    Need bigger tires, reduce rolling resistance

  • @nebulous962
    @nebulous9623 жыл бұрын

    6:26 what you have one of those :O where can you buy those :O ???

  • @nebulous962

    @nebulous962

    3 жыл бұрын

    now i just need to learn how to install those :D

  • @markplain2555
    @markplain25554 жыл бұрын

    Huh? How come is the tow bar illegal?

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    The tow bar itself isn't, but the Leaf isn't allowed to tow a load (it's just for bike racks).

  • @shiningirisheyes
    @shiningirisheyes3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks small one subject matter youtube is more easy to digest

  • @Coasterfreak
    @Coasterfreak4 жыл бұрын

    3 phase charging video when

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Around May 5th (I'm filming a 3-phase install then)

  • @matthewfensterwald1853
    @matthewfensterwald18534 жыл бұрын

    You guys should build a camper!!!

  • @chrisw443
    @chrisw4433 жыл бұрын

    I'll take 7! Shit, im in the us.. .Why cant I get a damn electric van. That thing with a back row would be perfect for road trips

  • @JorgeFlores-ck8bp
    @JorgeFlores-ck8bp4 жыл бұрын

    Hey I am on AMERICA and I want to do something like that to a LEAF is there a way to do it ??

  • @justinmcmenamy3419

    @justinmcmenamy3419

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ditto

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    we're working on kits. For real this time.

  • @stephaniealdridge4964

    @stephaniealdridge4964

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PowerElectronicsBlog cool 😊

  • @trentbrown2432
    @trentbrown24324 жыл бұрын

    Can you be positive about the great work you are doing, not sound negative

  • @mikaelp9826
    @mikaelp98262 жыл бұрын

    does anyone do this in europe, preferably scandinavia? It is my dream

  • @Patchworkdaddy007
    @Patchworkdaddy0074 жыл бұрын

    Have you ever thought about equipping a Nissan Leaf with Tesla batteries?

  • @Damicske

    @Damicske

    4 жыл бұрын

    you need to water cool that, Nissan battery's are air cooled

  • @ThanosSustainable

    @ThanosSustainable

    4 жыл бұрын

    I doubt a Tesla battery would need ANY kind of cooling in a Leaf.

  • @vladzis

    @vladzis

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Damicske Tesla batteries aren't water cooled

  • @pashko90

    @pashko90

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@vladzis they do.

  • @PowerElectronicsBlog

    @PowerElectronicsBlog

    4 жыл бұрын

    Water cooling isn't the problem, it's the physical size of Tesla batteries. Also... Tesla batteries aren't actually that good.... (I'm sure I'll get into the technicals of that someday)

  • @F20A2T
    @F20A2T4 жыл бұрын

    Vector VCCU ftw. We're using them as well at work, only our batteries are slightly bigger (+350kWh :) ). Still sad we sold our leaf just before the conversion became available :(

  • @williamerazo3921
    @williamerazo39213 жыл бұрын

    Change the software.

  • @marsrover001
    @marsrover0014 жыл бұрын

    The worst part of the e-nv200. You can't get it in the states.

  • @linmal2242
    @linmal22424 жыл бұрын

    This might interest you! Tesla Hacker Highlights Major Issue (This guy is modding a large van with an entire Tesla Model 3 Guts!) kzread.info/dash/bejne/oWFrxJOwkdLQabQ.html Also Norway might have some cheap salvage Tesla parts maybe?

  • @raychambers3646
    @raychambers36464 жыл бұрын

    Two hours to charge ,that's if the charging station is free,5 mins to fill my car ,to allow for some of my journeys add at least 2 hours to my journey time.

  • @ALMX5DP

    @ALMX5DP

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ray Chambers it’s not for everyone. But if you charge at home or work, for commutes there is no “fill up” time so those more frequent fuel stops at 5 minutes a piece start to add up.

  • @TsLeng

    @TsLeng

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ALMX5DP you are right it's not for everyone but filling up petrol or diesel really doesn't take that much time in total. Once a week at 5mins a pop is still only 4.3hours in a year. A 30mins fast charge once a month is already 6 hours...

  • @ALMX5DP

    @ALMX5DP

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TsLeng absolutely, but just shows that as a commuter vehicle with occasional fast charging trips, it can still be somewhat competitive in terms of total time spent per year in "filling up."