The answer is obvious, "DEPLOY THE MONKEY"!

@Honestandtruth

3 жыл бұрын

Monkey See, Monkey do and that is You..... Haaaahaaaaaaa 😂👍

@louisbabycos106

3 жыл бұрын

KZread search "trunk monkey commercials" you will break a rib laughing

@RICKAFOUR

3 жыл бұрын

@@louisbabycos106 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZIWV3LiCoNPPedI.html

If you read the owners manual, page 7-35 Vehicle Dynamic Control, it will tell you to switch off the VDC when climbing steep gravelly road, because the VDC is designed for use on the pavement to regain vehicle control in slippery situations. That's why you are experiencing the power cut off situation. That is not due to CVT it's due to the VDC that can be switched off. The X mode will help in two situations, steep downhill and to help improve torque in steep uphill situations, like yours. Therefore, according to the owners manual you should have switched off the VDC and switch on X mode. It seems you have done the latter but not the former which is why the car struggled. That is also probably why Subaru don't lend you cars to test because you don't understand the basics of how they work and then you publicize it in a video and mislead people.

@johnwayne8475

3 жыл бұрын

The VDC cuts off power and activates the brakes fir slippery conditions on pavement

@cbenson513

2 жыл бұрын

TFL doesn't read.

@austinthibeault4363

Жыл бұрын

Amen

@OutdoorFun01

Жыл бұрын

You're right. Especially they bought it. Read manuals...

@jtn0022

Жыл бұрын

I was about to say. Turn off traction control and it will definitely let u burn up the CVT.

Whenever Blaze jumps, he's looking for your attention. To discourage it, simply turn your back immediately and stay that way. Your body language will tell him that this is not what you want. You will also want to find the way you allow him to ask for attention, and then consistently reward that. Consistency is so important :-) He sure is a handsome and cute dog!

@TFLoffroad

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@hippiebits2071

3 жыл бұрын

You can also try just crouching down to greet Blaze BEFORE there is a chance to jump.

@FrankFH

3 жыл бұрын

And don't raise your hands and arms.

@stavid7870

3 жыл бұрын

This is good advice. Worked for my jumping dog. He only does it when it's invited now when it was previously a constant issue.

@snakeboy1991

3 жыл бұрын

My sis is a trainer, I’ve been waiting fir someone to help them with Blazes behavior. He seems to be extremely trainable. I don’t think it will be hard for them to get him trained

I took my new crosstrek out today!!! At one point I hit a ditch (it was really sunny and I thought it was a tree shadow). It felt like I hit a wall. The car rolled right out of it and is undamaged! Still haven’t gotten to long term care issues yet but I am more than satisfied with my purchase. It rolled through deep mud, water, steep inclines on loose gravel and mud. Truly lovely 🥰

Did you turn off the traction control when engaging the Xmode? It said on the user manual , in the case when momentum is needed, you need to turn off the traction control and floor the gas paddle then the car will do its job.

@ryzenforce

3 жыл бұрын

That's X-Mode 2 in newer models.

@brianmurray9246

3 жыл бұрын

You can just disengage VDC.

@rajgill7576

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryzenforce This is the newest model, no 2022s yet for crosstrek.

@bigglyguy8429

Жыл бұрын

They seem to enjoy hating on Subaru, so no, they wouldn't do that ;)

@bigchunky7499

Жыл бұрын

@@bigglyguy8429 he's also doing it with the ac on 🤔

You need momentum at the start. About 80mph should do it.

@USAFJUNKIE

3 жыл бұрын

Or about 88mph so he can go into the past where the hill won't be there.

@soulz2422

3 жыл бұрын

lmao how will he get 80mph

@marekw.9816

3 жыл бұрын

@@soulz2422 build a big ramp, like hotwheels. Wear a helmet and mouth guard.

@RKmndo

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO! My poor little Crosstrek would have its engine punched through the hood by one of those rocks.

@alelectric2767

2 жыл бұрын

@@USAFJUNKIE That’s some strategy right there.

I love my Subaru but let's face it, all of the nanny controls to protect the CVT get in the way. Hey Subaru, how about a nice 8 speed tranny instead?

@miller1

3 жыл бұрын

Three limiting factors for Subaru CrossTrek on Truth or Dare. Two you can't do anything about (CVT and lack of low end torque) and one you can (good set of A/T tires)...

@dannylopezcalderon7825

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!!

@rondail5675

3 жыл бұрын

An 8-speed would be so nice!!

@parkeringersoll973

3 жыл бұрын

Cvt is the reason Subaru didn’t get a dime from us last week when we bought a new car.

@Korruptor711

3 жыл бұрын

@@parkeringersoll973 Same... i've been waiting years to buy a Forester, but I'm waiting for them to get rid of the CVT.

10:30 on the old vs new test… that has to be a joke, right? You take the new Subaru going up at 3mph with a CVT, then to prove a point you absolutely just sent that little bag of bolts up the incline? A Camry would have gotten up that with that driving. 🙄

I think it's in the expectations! I own a Outback XT, it's great in the snow and light trails but that is all I expect it to do. I use it 99% on the road and highways and it's better than a jeep or 4runner for that. If I have to drive my car more than 25% off-road I would get a jeep or a 4runner and expect to sacrifice mpg and lack of on road athleticism.

@sfrealestatedealmaker6001

Жыл бұрын

100% Agree @ Mojoman69

As for the jumping up, when we first got our dog we always would bump our knee out and then say no and ignore the dog for 10-15 seconds. The knee makes it harder to jump up and ignoring them when they do it teaches them to not jump because the best reward is your love and attention

@morilot

3 жыл бұрын

☝What he said

@WW-wf8tu

3 жыл бұрын

I would simple push the dog down (gently but firmly)and say no. Eventually they get what it means. As long as NO has been established with other behavior corrections, they will associate NO to everything you do not want them to do.

@jeffrentsch4318

3 жыл бұрын

I redirect my boy with a no snap of fingers. As soon as he is not jumping ask him to sit with praise for sitting.

@drduplessie

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, as they start to jump, raise your knee up across your body. They don't like it and it stops.

@subachad

3 жыл бұрын

Try turning away when a dog jumps up and ignore for 10 to 15 like someone else said. They do this for attention and if it results in not getting attention, they learn.

They’re good cars for snowy pavement.

@buckhorncortez

3 жыл бұрын

Great...especially useful for people living in Florida, Georgia, Texas, NM, Arizona, Louisiana, etc...

@natezero928

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Had one for 2 years and handled Flagstaff and Bellemont snowy rodes with ease.

@AbuPaul

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! AWD is NOT 4WD and TFL seem to not understand the difference :)

@jamesalexander958

3 жыл бұрын

@@AbuPaul Subaru's marketing would suggest it's fairly offraod worthy

@forgedfromfreedom

3 жыл бұрын

@@AbuPaul Actually, TFL understands this very well. It’s the vast majority of Subaru owners who don’t get it.

Great video! New A/T tires (Continental TerrainContact) helped my Crosstrek a ton in mild off-roading. I would recommend those, the Yokohama Geolandar A/T G015 or especially the Falken Wildpeak A/T as these are all meant for crossovers.

I have a 2014 Outback and I get best results from the CVT by putting it in manual mode and setting to "first" gear for slow climbs. This seems to stop the trans from adjusting it's pulleys and applies more torque without slippage.

@dannydinthemountains

2 жыл бұрын

I just put a deposit on a Crosstrek for mostly road driving and lighter stuff than this for hiking in the summer. This is a good tip

Call it “Bad Blood” due to the History between Subaru and you guys!

@J-W.-

3 жыл бұрын

I love that!

@brayannexon4613

3 жыл бұрын

True and if they add bigger tires and off road BOOM the CVT will go and then its gonna be worse.

@fj400007

3 жыл бұрын

@@brayannexon4613 no need to go bigger, a more aggressive grip will be much better...

@brayannexon4613

3 жыл бұрын

@@fj400007 what I'm implying is that the cvt will not like that.

@fj400007

3 жыл бұрын

@@brayannexon4613 I never liked those CVT transmissions. They definitely don't have the robustness to handle real offroad situations or towing demands. It's a big no on my part.

“Subie-doo”. I would’ve got up that hill if it weren’t for that meddling CVT

@djsd-1292

3 жыл бұрын

FB20 also garbage lol

@Advtr.ram69

2 жыл бұрын

@@djsd-1292 its not really that garbage, its a pretty good engine with the right mods to It

@djsd-1292

2 жыл бұрын

@@Advtr.ram69 just jerkin lol I drive an fb20 Impreza

@Advtr.ram69

2 жыл бұрын

@@djsd-1292 i figured lol but so many people say they suck, but when they drive one in manual its like “god help me i got a racecar”

@djsd-1292

2 жыл бұрын

@@Advtr.ram69 eh, I think it’s still kinda underpowered and I’ve felt both. Im sure the MT makes it feel a little quicker. Great car to drive though, feels great in the turns and in the rain. It’s quick enough for what it is I guess.

Buy the 2.5l if you wanna do this no one with the intention of climbing that slope would ever buy the 2.0, stop setting up Subaru for failure. Your next video title will be. "Let's see if the Subaru crosstrek can climb the Empire State building with stock tires!... It really struggled on this one!"

Be interesting to see the traction difference between CVT and 6 speed.

@James6874

4 ай бұрын

See DRIVING SPORTS TV Crosstrek vs RAV4

Test between this model and the 6 SPD should be a good comparison.

@ragweedmakesmesneeze

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. There's much complaining about the CVT and I'd love to see how the manual changes the drivability in off road situations.

@musicalgreasemonkey

3 жыл бұрын

Having driven and enjoyed the manual, you realize the cvt helps the crosstrek a lot and the engine is working much harder than the accelerator pedal suggests

@ragweedmakesmesneeze

3 жыл бұрын

@@musicalgreasemonkey Interesting!

@mattmc7933

3 жыл бұрын

I have a 6MT and I think it’s pretty terrible. The CVT is definitely the best transmission for that car. The only benefit of the 6MT is that 1st gear is lower, but I find that the can feels like it’s going to die on steep climbs

@musicalgreasemonkey

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattmc7933 agreed entirely. My 2018 forester has the 6mt with the 2.5L and it's really just enough power in 1st gear steep hills. I wish you could still buy the 6mt with the 2.5. The gear spacing is a little odd, but you learn it and the mpg real world is much better than the cvt. I have driven both

As a car guy I have never, ever thought Subaru as an off-road, rock crawling type machine. Subarus are good for gravel roads with the occasional mud puddles, snow, and muddy paths. That's about all I expect from them. To expect them to do anything remotely like these trails is setting the bar way too high.

@CuthbertNibbles

2 жыл бұрын

Counterpoint, Subaru should be held to this standard, in each case this vehicle got "stuck" it was because of a spinning tire or insufficient torque. The CVT they use is connected to the engine via a torque converter, so there is an inordinate amount of torque available (assuming the engine isn't power-limited to prevent damage to the CVT, but if that's the case, build a better CVT), if you don't believe me, find an early automatic, fully apply the brakes and floor it. If you don't wreck the drivetrain in the process, the car will move, so there is no excuse for this machine to be unable to spin the tires. When the tires do spin, it's because the torque produced isn't being distributed properly. That torque is sent to the wheels through a nearly-open AWD system, so at any time, the vast majority of the torque is delivered to the "easiest" wheel. Subaru counters this by applying brakes to that wheel, "discouraging" torque from being sent there. In a situation where 3 wheels are on the ground, the 4th (airborne) wheel should be locked by brakes, and only unlocked when the traction control system detects _forward_ pressure on the wheel, IE, other wheels are driving it.

@mudturtleoffroadmudturtleo170

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you I agree.its a car with enhanced traction.not an off-road vehicle.

@sidb9540

2 жыл бұрын

@@CuthbertNibbles Man, what do you get for 25 K??? Jeeps and Broncos START at 35K+.. this is outstanding value for money

@CorkKNIFE

2 жыл бұрын

"To expect them to do anything remotely like these trails is setting the bar way too high." But it DID do them? No rescue strap, no tow out, no winch equipped jeep required. Subaru gets you home.

@austinthibeault4363

Жыл бұрын

Not sure you know what you're talking about

I’m not sure why you go so slow. I have a 2018 cross trek and take it on way worse roads in the mountains of Montana and don’t have any problems.

@matiasfaundez649

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I'm saying in the old/new comparison that old sub they have it hauling ass while the trek is barely moving...this 'test' smells like shitting on Sub all over

@smellybearc7411

3 жыл бұрын

Super slow speed, not airing down tires, stock road tires, traction control on. They made sure to give it all the disadvantages it could possibly have, and it still made it up the hill.

@andrewdoble7973

3 жыл бұрын

They took it stock to compare before and after they modify it. Also Subaru has built its brand on AWD back road driving but the CVT has clearly caused them to stray away from that. TFL is just exposing that so people know. They should take a early to mid 2000 forester. I bet people would be surprised how much better a true automatic would be.

@snikesnover1831

3 жыл бұрын

Also the motor is still in its break-in period and limiting power, and the AWD system is still learning for real world conditions

@RKmndo

3 жыл бұрын

They don't have skids yet, which would make me more careful and slow.

I can't believe I just bought a car that can do something like this! I bought my Crosstrek as a beefed up replacement for my Toyota Matrix and never really expected it to be a Sherman tank. Off-reading to means heavy washboard or potholes, maybe logging roads, or some double track roads. I am thrilled with my decision!

@KFrost-fx7dt

Жыл бұрын

Me too, I'm so excited! I love driving in the mountains and up jeep trails. If my old Ford Focus could make it up those, this Subaru certainly can! They're very popular.

Doesn’t matter what you guys do, the CVT will always be the Achilles heel

@colinthompson7463

3 жыл бұрын

I think so too, but am glad they are the ones doing the testing so we don't have to!

@scott8919

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. And personally I really like CVTs otherwise (I know, I know). Everything from the first-gen Patriot to today's Subarus cannot handle steep hills, high altitude and/or rocks in the road.

@Nevy21

3 жыл бұрын

there's also a CVT on the Outback Wilderness lmao

@scott8919

3 жыл бұрын

Clearly they're prioritizing smoothness and efficiency and are just relying on the traction control software to compensate.

@colinthompson7463

3 жыл бұрын

@@Nevy21 I believe they put in some sort of a "low range" gizmo on there (I can't imagine how that works on a cvt) but I'm still skeptical how much that helps the final gear ratio.

Name for your Crosstrek: "Radio Flyer" because it's small, red and limitedly useful.

@chanceym6000

3 жыл бұрын

I do like this one most

@mva6044

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe REDio flyer?

@irontarkus7965

3 жыл бұрын

You're delusional nobody in their right mind would take a 2.0 cvt with all season tires off-roading

@anthonyjulson8840

3 жыл бұрын

@@irontarkus7965 I'd consider it.

@Honestandtruth

3 жыл бұрын

@@irontarkus7965 Only a Pea Head 🤣👍

Thanks for another informative video. Can't wait to see the upgrades.

That's going to be a great video hopefully u show every upgrade in detail

My wife has a 2014 XV and I drive a 1982 Subaru Brat with a real 4WD system and a low range and even with my stock 13" tires my Brat is much better off road than her Subaru XV.

@stout_tossme7541

3 жыл бұрын

Old Brats were the shit! Good times.

@tinhinnh

3 жыл бұрын

well of course “a real 4wd system” will be better

Love the t-shirt! Some motivation required!

I have added Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail tires to my 2020 Crosstrek limited. It made a big difference for our winter driving. Especially in deep snow that I had to deal with last year in Evanston IL. I highly recommend that upgrade for that Subaru for testing purposes. I only lost 2mpg with that upgrade. No noise difference with the limited model(might have more soundproofing than the base model)

@hubabuba3916

Жыл бұрын

That’s why most of people in Evanston own the Subarus;)

Desperately need you guys to do a review on an Outback Wilderness

How about putting some falkan trail AT tires on it.

@clou1969

3 жыл бұрын

It’s an Impreza a car.

@Uberragen21

3 жыл бұрын

I was considering those for my CUV too, but decided to go with the Toyo Open Country AT3. The tread is slightly more aggressive without being too harsh on-road. The offroad traction is fantastic.

@jonathanmorgan4916

3 жыл бұрын

I also put a set of Toyo AT3’s on my Outback. Very good traction, look great too.

@burton926

3 жыл бұрын

I have a set of AT Trails on my outback. Definitely a "softroading" tire, but they have great traction and work well in the snow in CO. Tread is impressive, but the sidewall always has me concerned if I'm on sharp rocks compared to friends with the AT3 or K02s. That said, I've probably saved $200 on gas compared to those options this year, so I'll take it!

@artcraven8313

3 жыл бұрын

falkan makes shit tires, buy any other brand.

This is the perfect reason to advertise for the Bronco Sport with the 29.5 inch tires and "locking diff" and clutch packs!

@smellybearc7411

3 жыл бұрын

And the crumbling down after two years due to poor build quality!

You should have bought a 2021 2.5l sport model. I got mine for only 27k, and its got a larger engine than the one you guys got, and it also has a new x mode 2 Yeah the CVT sucks for heavy off-roading, but most people with subarus know the limits and simply dont go that hardcore. Plus, on the flip side - since subarus use a cvt, it is the MOST economical AWD gas powered car

I AM stoked to see what mods you choose to make, I just hope you connect with some subaru offroaders in the process. Instagram and facebook are full of groups here in CO that would be down to bring you along on a trail ride. You can learn how they pick lines, select trails, and discover what that little crosstrek is capable of before defaulting to everything it CAN'T do. Sometimes it seems like your experience with Subaru press cars really jaded you to the whole brand and you are determined to show them in a condescending/negative light by setting them up to fail. On to mods... IME, puck lifts do not generally allow you to run more tire. Usually if you increase tire diameter, the wheel will strike the forward side of the rear mud guard first. Width? Its the strut perch. Puck lifts are great if you are scraping your undercarriage (or hopefully your skidplate) and want some better chassis clearance. Wheel offset has a lot more effect on whether a tire will "fit" a subaru. Maybe with some wheel offsets the tire won't "tuck" into the wheel well without a puck lift, but those are very specific circumstances.

Love this series. As an admitted Subaru off road enthusiast (MTNROO) I'm interested to see your take on the new global platform. Please don't put BFG KO2s on. It's simply too heavy for the 2.0 go with a Falken or Yokohama all terrian. Love what you guys do and the honest reviews.

@ItzzTesta

3 жыл бұрын

What a waste of money

@gregoryoppenheimer99

3 жыл бұрын

@@ItzzTesta It's all about where you see value. If you value top tier off road prowess then agreed a waste. However if you want industry leading safety, good fuel economy, and moderate off road capability for hiking trail access, camping, etc. It is an incredible value. Just all depends on what you really need from your vehicle.

@ItzzTesta

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregoryoppenheimer99 and bottom of the industry reliability! Sounds like a great car not a waste of money!😂

@omgfoz

3 жыл бұрын

Thought I'd see some mtnroo brotherhood representation here! Hello from OMGFOZ 👋

@UnknownUser_0000

3 жыл бұрын

@@ItzzTesta Subarus aren't reliable? 🤣🤣

Roman could you please! get a Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross with CVT SAWD to compare it with the Subaru

I've got the geolander A/Ts on my outback and love them. Turn traction control off or it super sucks when trying to drive off road Can't wait to see what all you do with it.

Tyre pressure is vitally important in off road. Drop your pressures by about 8 to 10 psiand you'll findvit would not break traction. Ive got a 2015 Crosstrek CVT no xmode and I have climbed Big Red a 30m high dune in the Simpson Desert Australia. Tyres pressures were 18psi.

Go with Falken Wildpeak A/Ts. Lightweight snow rated tires so less unsprung weight compared to the alternatives.

@truckerrickakamanowar

3 жыл бұрын

True.

@cwescapexlt4x4

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I have these on my Outback XT and great tire!

@stumptownwoodworks

3 жыл бұрын

Great tire, even in snow too. Have them on our Forester.

@mileshogge887

3 жыл бұрын

Got ‘em on my 04 Fozzie. Awesome alternative to the more expensive competitors.

Welp…looks like no Subaru press cars anytime soon. 😂

@haroldbeauchamp3770

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely not missing anything.

@3739blog

3 жыл бұрын

That’s why they need to buy one. 😂

@stout_tossme7541

3 жыл бұрын

@Stop Deleting Me I feel the same way when they take a 4 runner off-road. Lol.

@dmn2273

3 жыл бұрын

@Stop Deleting Me I don’t really think so 10:00

@mmiller1188

3 жыл бұрын

All they do is bash Subarus, so of course they are going to not get any press cars. They took a Forester XT with performance tires offroad in the snow and then complained about it.

I’ve got the 24’ premium, and I’ve taken it up to my paraglider launch sites, one of which in Tollhouse has some pretty steep sections and had absolutely no problems. It’s also dirt and gravel and has some deep ruts, and some articulation, but for a stock crosstrek i was pleasantly surprised.

Love your dog in the videos! Our Vizsla puppy that I work with has the same jumping challenges....... Along with the other comments and suggestion, keep working with the sit/stay commands and use treats as positive reinforcement.... super common challenge with friendly pups....keep up the good work!

"Dog is my co-pilot." Clever!

I like the idea of Subarus , but the CVT is it's real weakness and it's a HUGE weakness. I'm glad to see Nissan moving away from them and I hope Subaru does the same. CVTs just don't work offroad

@midoriyaizuku4403

3 жыл бұрын

Nissan only got rid of it in ONE model. I wouldn’t call it “moving away”...

@AhBAhboy

3 жыл бұрын

Bring the car with AWD but no CVT to compare with Subaru. We will see CVT good or not.

@leggoman1000

3 жыл бұрын

Yes because Nissans Jatco cvt is rubbish, a product of poor R and D.

@ryzenforce

3 жыл бұрын

@@AhBAhboy Bring ANY other 150 hp AWD cars with no CVT and you will be surprised that NONE of them will even make it past the first 30% of the slope.

@AhBAhboy

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryzenforce I agree 👍

Great video great job Roland, and Blaze is a beautiful dog.

Lady Bug seems like a good name. Thanks for the videos, I'll bet Subaru still loves you.

Would be interesting to see how it would do at the same track just with better off road tires, like you just bought the car and put better rubber on

@johnbouldin9033

3 жыл бұрын

Better tires wouldn't have made a difference. The Subaru wouldn't send power to the tires that had traction.

@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnbouldin9033 it just didn't have enough power to sent to the tires with traction lol. The base engine is gutless.

@itayby

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix these engines are ass true but with better tires it wouldn't need to break (not so hard atleast) on the slipping tire for the other one to rotate. Btw the engine has enough power, the ECU is limiting it so it wont shit it's CVT like they said, and with less slipping and less breaking from traction control it would probably do much better

@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix

3 жыл бұрын

@@itayby yeah but when you lift a wheel it doesn't matter what kind of tire it is. The engine doesn't have the power when you lift wheels, especiallywith the electronics trying to protect the weak CVT. It needs to have a lower gear to make up for the weak engine and overly intrusive electronics.

@itayby

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix yeah thats right about the ledge he needed more power I was wondering about the uphill climb where it slipped like crazy

I wonder how fast Tommy was driving the old Subie vs. the crawling in the Outback and Crosstrek. I swear to god they are purposely making these cars looks bad. They seem to drive them so much slower than their other 4x4s.

Awesome vid, as always. Where is this Tombstone Hill, anyway?

I would still be interested to see you guys try a stick shift off road. I have a 2017/2018 impreza in manual that does good "off road"

Why would you want to add bigger tires on the new Subaru when it doesn’t have enough power for the ones it has installed.

I appreciate what you are doing with your Subaru. Question, if the tires are the primary consideration to off roading, why critique the car with OEM tires?

@Assgasyoda

3 жыл бұрын

They’re treating it the same as a press car they usually receive. The difference is they bought it because Subaru does not give them press cars. Bad Blood if you will.

@colinthompson7463

3 жыл бұрын

They test all of their cars on these same trails so we can see how they stack up. Most of the cars they get are loaner press vehicles that they are not allowed to modify. So this was the demonstration that we can use to compare against other stock vehicles. Next time we'll get to see if a couple of cheap upgrades will help, or if the CVT will still be the weak link.

@crazyeyez1502

3 жыл бұрын

Baseline testing. Test it showroom stock, then modify it and retest. Compare the before and after.

It’ll be really interesting to see how much of the struggle was mechanics vs. grip once ya’ll upgrade the tire situation! Also, my family is all about old lady names and rhyming when it comes to dubbing cars- so my suggestion is Ruby the Subi. 😜

@Amanda-uc5jq

6 ай бұрын

Many many years ago I named my mums Subaru forester Ruby. My subi is called Kar because it’s a khaki car

I got the same color and trim, named mine Diablo but my buddy recommended pico or charizard, love the video!

Imagine lifting this car and adding off road tires just to deal with a cvt that can’t handle a small dirt incline.

@Honeybadger_525

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I know right? I was considering buying a Subaru and modding it as such. After doing some research, watching off-road reviews and working out the cost of the mods I came to the conclusion I'm better off buying a basic 4x4 instead.

@SamuelRodriguez-mo4ru

3 жыл бұрын

@@Honeybadger_525 you could go back maybe 2 or 4 years and get one that was still equipped with an auto, maybe even a manual

@Honeybadger_525

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamuelRodriguez-mo4ru Yes you could buy an older model before CVT's were introduced, however, it would still lack a low range, which most 4x4's already has.

@ToyotaNutjob

3 жыл бұрын

@@SamuelRodriguez-mo4ru no. Stop trying to convince people to get a freaking suabru. Anyone is much better off with any sort of stock 4x4. Anything is better than that

@Malc664

3 жыл бұрын

@Stop Deleting Me It's basically a slip test of the AWD system. They do the same with all other vehicles here. Except Tommy's old Subaru drive with more momentem.

Excellent demonstration of the weaknesses of the Subaru CVT and traction control system off-road. I've encountered the same issues in my 2021 Forester. Still a great choice for most people, but anyone who wants to tackle a moderate obstacle on a trail should look elsewhere.

@RKmndo

3 жыл бұрын

TCS is no replacement offroad for locked diffs. Jeep even did this silliness with their BrakeLock feature on the JK/JL Wranglers. It's just 4-wheel TCS. It works some places, but some places it's more of a hindrance than a help.

I have 2015 XV Base MT w/ Rallitek.25 springs heavy duties on the rear 1 inch spacer lift , B6 Bilstien struts Falken Wildpeak ATs and Bridgestone WS90 for the winter, I’ve had it 5 1/2 yrs 162k mls runs great great little car in any weather and a little bit of off roading nothing crazy.

You guys need tk do a wilderness outback. I want to see how it does compared to the regular outback you guys tested the last time.

Would love to see a TFL video comparing all Subaru AWD variations with X-Mode or not and with regular automatic, manual and CVT. Even cooler with a real world off road comparison, using the same tires.

when crawling it helps to put in "manual" mode and select "1st gear". that way it stays in the ratio that will help the best

@lilbill88

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip. It’s the first vehicle with any meaningful clearance I’ve ever purchased. I took it off road for the first time and at some points I was wanting more of a crawl

@colten53

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. If you don’t switch to manual for low speed off roading, the CVT is going to jump to a higher “gear” for some odd reason. I will sometimes switch to manual while going like 25 mph and I find that it’s in 7th for no good reason since you’re nowhere close to redlining in any gear before that at that speed.

I have an 2014 Crosstrek that has been off-roaded a lot on not too extreme trails. The biggest problem I had was scraping the front overhang on all kinds of rocks and ditches.

I have a stock 2021 Crosstrek Outdoor CVT with the 2.5L engine and have never had any issues off road, have made it up to many mountain tops, including in the snow. Sure it’s not AS capable as an MT but I’ve been very impressed with the capabilities of the CVT. I’m surprised it did so poorly in this video, i’ve been up trails like these no problem.

I've seen some of these all decked out like it was going wheeling on the trails.

The CVT does make it bad off-road, however, I had an 18 Crosstrek that handled this like a champ. It did not struggle like yours did and I’m confused why. I did see in one of the clips that your AC was on during the climb. This could definitely be why it struggled. That small engine loses a lot of power with the AC on. Anyway, just a thought.

@danielfair4675

Жыл бұрын

These 2 ass clowns have shit talked every Subaru they've reviewed since the brand dropped them for trashing one a few years back. They won't supply them with one anymore to review.

@NatureDerek

Жыл бұрын

their issue was using stock tires, and failing to read the owners manual (turn off VDC during heavy climbing)

You are 100% correct. Automatic transmissions are far superior for off road. Maybe the upcoming 7speed in the Bronco will change the pecking order. It's just hard to beat an 8 or 10 speed automatic transmission plus all the modes you have these days. The smaller 2.0 engine may be fine now. If you add taller off road tires you add traction. With the CVT and no low gear. You will bog down the engine quicker. Not many do gears any longer when they do the tire change. I would not go very tall with the tire choice. Great video.

Nice review and video. Do you think the Crosstrek with the 2.5 engine would have done better? What about the Sport model with the + mode?

As for a name, I like Clifford, named in honor of the big red dog from the children's storybooks. Clifford the Crosstrek has a nice ring to it.

Wife just bought a 2021 Outback. Happy so far but the rear camera is like 360p😂

@wint_62

3 жыл бұрын

The car sucks.

@Burritosarebetterthantacos

3 жыл бұрын

@@wint_62 Luckily she doesnt care about your opinion.

@oldrango883

3 жыл бұрын

@@wint_62 I concur

@MrJamesLuz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Burritosarebetterthantacos I get it. My wife has an Ascent and she loves it. I don’t care because I have a truck and an Xterra if I want to go off-road.

Excellent! Another off-road test WITHOUT off-road tires, which proves nothing

Also just purchased a 2021 Crosstrek Sport .. I immediately did a 2" lift kit .. Toyo ATIII's in 225/65 17" .. now have 12" at the rear pumpkin. Also put on an aluminum skid plate. I just got back last night from 3 days up in Moab testing out my mods! I did the BLM 378 rd which is the back door into Arches .. Gemini Bridges rd .. Shaffer trail and the Mineral points roads. On the BLM 378 rd my son got his 1st opportunity to be a spotter! He had to guide me over two ledges .. never touched anything. Also got 31 mpg up and back from Tucson. I got a whole 2400 miles on it since I left the dealership .. 1200 of that was coming and going to Moab.

@sking2173

3 жыл бұрын

^ LOLOLOL ...

Probably going to destroy that CVT, trade it in for a manual.

The 2.0 is like an older Crosstrek but would like to see the newer 2.5 have a shot.

@tammypollardcerniglia2009

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. I just got one!

Lol this is literally me and my pup in our crosstrek every day. Love it ❤️

Would love to see a comparison on this hill between this and the 2.5 crosstrek, and x mode vs dual x mode

Another name: "The Little Engine that can Almost Do It"

@jedironin380

3 жыл бұрын

The Mildly Hot Chili Pepper.

@marv8481

3 жыл бұрын

It’s mostly “the little CVT transmission and all it’s torque reducing electronic aids to prevent you from burning up the CVT that can almost do it” lol I wish they’d test a manual and stop testing their CVTs, or I wish Subaru would at least let you put some power down in their CVT and only start cutting torque when it reaches a certain temperature. They’re good on the road, but even my old winter beater 2000 outback could easily go where a new CVT Subaru would get stuck, and that’s without engaging the all time 4 wheel drive mod that I’ve done on that 4eat trans. I’ve had it places other legit 4x4 trucks and SUVs couldn’t go. Heck even pulled big Jeep’s and lifted trucks out of the ditch during snow storms and only have snow tires on it and completely boggle the minds of the owners of the trucks/Jeep’s.

@RKmndo

3 жыл бұрын

Mike, "almost" do it? In the video that I saw, the Crosstrek did do it. My 120HP 2.5L/5spd Jeep YJ could chirp 31" MTs going into 2nd or 3rd on dry pavement. They need to turn off the TCS, IMO. A rear locker would make things more interesting too. It still wouldn't be a Rubicon, but a winch, armor, and tires could make it capable for overlanding and moderate trails.

Owning one right now, the 2.5 version. I would say it's a good unpaveder instead of a offroader. (and I am getting 30+mpg on highway, so...

@ToyotaNutjob

3 жыл бұрын

So, it can do whatever a Camry can do on dirt roads Coooooll.... lol

@dicep6530

3 жыл бұрын

@@ToyotaNutjob Yes, Crostrek and Camry have no fundamental difference. Both of them are definitely not "real off-road vehicles". People who buy this car is like saying "I know 99.99% of my mileage will be on pavement, but I still want my car be able to handle some dirt or snow and some bumpy roads when needed" And the Crosstrek does have a high clearance comparing to most SUVs.

in canada we have an outdoor model with the 2.5 engine and dual mode x-mode and cvt. you put falken AT tires on it and you have a decent small capable machine. it also have larger plastic fenders and bumpers.

So I've got a '19 cvt Forester as I live in the city, but like to explore, and I've taken it up worse, both with no lift but stock size ATs, and with a lift. Never really had any issues, only time I ever really had issues was when going on a mile or two of a steep incline with loose rocks when going up in sport mode with momentum. Still made it up, but towards the end, was losing speed. Went up the same trail before, slowly, in xmode and it handled it no issue.

@JDS-Dalton

3 жыл бұрын

And to add, I just recently took it to an OHV park much to the surprise of everyone on dirtbikes, ATVs, and very confused jeepers. Only obstacle I avoided was 1 rock that came up about a foot, to have a 3 foot drop at the end. Another guy I was with, who also was driving a '19 forester with the same lift, and same skid plates took it and simply scraped the hell out of his skids. Never had any difficulty getting over obstacles, climbing up things, or anything. I don't know about how capable the 2.0 engine is, but at the very least, the 2.5 with a CVT isn't as bad as people make them out to be off road. Yea, I'd rather have a normal automatic, but mine hasn't been stopped by an obstacle yet.

Name it ketchup! Also would like to see more of that classic Subaru

I would like to see the RAV4 adventure 2019 going up there.

@rajmoney1575

3 жыл бұрын

They have a video of the newer one

@adi7795

3 жыл бұрын

Would you have the link please?

@Soh90

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree. I’m surprised there aren’t many videos of the RAV4 Adventure. Or even a RAV4 TRD which I heard got a skid plate for the 2020 model year. The last time they had a TRD I didn’t have a skid plate so they didn’t do the course. But Toyota added one so get on it TFL!!

@adi7795

3 жыл бұрын

So you folks have a video for the adventure? Please tell me the link

Love the dog

“Ugly” is a good name for it.

I’d like to see more videos with the jeep renegade

You forgot to Vape 💨 it up the hill

I bought the 6 speed last fall. Really liked it but had a terrible time finding a comfortable seating position with the clutch. Actually traded it for an outback this spring because it made my knee hurt so bad. We have a big hill to get to our house. Most vehicles can't make it in snowstorm. The Crosstrek did it no problem with the manual. Hope the cvt outback can do the same. So far I like the outback much better.

You alluded to adding a low range to this Crosstrek - I'm really curious to see how you make that happen, short of a transmission swap.

You can add a low range?? Forgive my noob-ness, but how?? And can it be done to the manual?

Lesson on CVT's: How to bleed all the engine's power away from the wheels.

@neilmurphy845

3 жыл бұрын

Yah and put that together with the gutless boxer engine design and your going nowhere

@martiniv8924

3 жыл бұрын

CVT = 💩 💩 💩 👈🏻

@martiniv8924

3 жыл бұрын

@@neilmurphy845 Porsche owners … sharp intake of breath 😝

@neilmurphy845

3 жыл бұрын

@@martiniv8924 Yah haha

@loomspace

3 жыл бұрын

It's all in the programming (aka lifespan), my Forester XT has the 3 mode select and paddle shift override, it can either be miserable as in this video or hook up hard. 125k miles and no issues so far but every day is a question mark.

Great video Roman, I agree Crostrek is good vehicle, the CVT is the achilles heal, airing down the tires would have made a notable difference, I have friend who works for Toyota here in Canada and retold me that they own 16 or 17 % of of fuji heavy equipment co. which owns Subaru and i just don't get why they haven't gone and used a Toyota 8 speed auto from the Camry 4 cyl line up and i know there is a weight penalty of a bit though you wouldn't lose any fuel economy with an 8 speed auto and you gain reliability and longevity and will get 100% use of the engines power so it is a winning combination, Oh well time will tell 👍

You guys should have purchased it with the manual. The 2 liter is still available with the manual. Companies to consider for the lift - FlatOut Suspension, Anderson Design & Fabrication( ADF), Subtle Solutions, Primitive Racing. I used Primitive Racing on my Forester - 1 inch pucks on Cusco adjustable struts w/1 inch King Springs coils, and corresponding rear cradle alignment blocks. I recommend getting skid plates too. Sad for Subaru that a 40y/o model can run circles around one right off the showroom floor. I submit - Ned A. Manual as the name for your Xtrek. Loved this video, Good luck 👍🏾

older subarus are way better off road then the new ones in my experience.

Name it Scotty. Like Scotty from Star Trek. “We need more power!”

When you lift it try the Ironman 4x4 kit with the longer shocks vs. pucks.

For what it's worth, the stock tires have traction issues even before you get onto trails. I'd never had what I'd call 'bad' tires before this car, but hoo boy did they suck. I commute over a winding hill road and the stock tires would squeal at every corner that my old Honda Fit took like a champ. Put some Wildpeak AT Trails on there, it's like a whole new car and no need for new wheels or a lift!

Not impressive for a brand known for high performance rallying 🧐

@chir0pter

3 жыл бұрын

You are now banned from Subaru

@alejandro11000

3 жыл бұрын

💀

@FXIIBeaver

3 жыл бұрын

Was* pretty sure they stepped out of it.

@alejandro11000

3 жыл бұрын

@@FXIIBeaver IDK I'm preeetty sure Travis Pastrana is still racing Subaru's

@FXIIBeaver

3 жыл бұрын

@@alejandro11000 he is but I am pretty sure the company is no longer in rally.

Good test to see how much it could take. Some moments I felt if you just went backwards and pushed forward with more speed it would've went up just fine. It still is a great car for snow and ice conditions, definitely not the best for rocky terrain climbing.

Wait, this is the new project vehicle? I'm very excited!

IIRC, when Jeep was coming out with the LJ, testers got one into a situation where the throttle was mashed to the floor and the wheels wouldn't turn. This was with a 4.0L I6, 4spd auto, 2.72:1 Low, and stock tires. The R&Ps may have been a bit tall, but it also demonstrates why I prefer manual sometimes. An aftermarket lockup torque converter may have helped, much like Rubicon tcase and diff gears probably would have. I never had a similar situation with my 2.5L/5spd YJ turning 31" MTs. The 2.72:1 4Low worked just fine with 4.10 R&P ratio and the manual trans. I wonder how much better their/my 2.0L/CVT Crosstrek would climb with just a rear diff-locker and with the TCS turned off. The rear locker isn't very expensive, nor difficult to install.

Would love to see how the manual transmission option (with all the other same specs as your car) would handle that course.

@JonBecker81

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too. Would probably do a lot better.

@ncd7184

3 жыл бұрын

Likely completely different. If you want the trek for off-road, currently owning one, I'd recommend buying the 6 speed, ironman 4x4 2" lift, the torq locker and light weight all terrains on factory wheels. It would do dramatically better than the car in the video. Good for moderate trails. Beyond that and you need a body on frame 4x4 with low range. That's the challenge, if you keep the tires around the same size as stock you can keep the decent gas mileage, but there's a point where gas mileage is either more important to you or less than being able to tackle rougher terrain. I can totally see the guy that has a long commute or does outside sales as a job and needs a car but still wants something he can get to a lot of places on the weekend. That's my dilemma between trading mine in or keeping it.

@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix

3 жыл бұрын

I would say better, but that engine is so weak they'd probably smoke the clutch trying to get it to move lol

@NoChannelChannel

3 жыл бұрын

There going woke

I think this test goes completely different with the manual transmission. I have a 2018 trek with CVT and it's definitely the weak point

@seabrookmx

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah they know the CVT is an issue off road from their previous testing.. I'm not sure what the point of getting another one is. Manual would have been the way to go. Good on Subaru for still making them!

From someone who has owned five Subarus, including a Crosstrek and a couple of Outbacks (currently in the XT Outback, my wife drives the Crosstrek), you aren't carrying an appropriate amount of speed, especially for a Crosstrek which is heavy and underpowered (I think the new motor is addressing that). Additionally, the CVT sucks power off the wheels once traction gets dicey, so picking a more appropriate line (without sharp rocks and loose gravel) would help tremendously. We have taken ours on much worse roads in Colorado, Montana, Idaho, Washington, and Oregon, so I am a bit skeptical of your "testing" method here.