‼️PLEASE READ‼️ Apparently I may have not had my Bigscreen Beyond not setup correctly which may have affected tracking. That could be a factor too 🤔 I just realised one of the scores were doubled up 😭😭😭 Here's all the actual results for those curious imgur.com/a/eijh4r7 I really wanted to play Beat Saber on EVERY actual headset but it became way too hard! My poor Valve Index is broken but figured the Bigscreen Beyond would have similar results (if not better). What's your favorite headset for Beat Saber?

@Zamiminiaohoh

5 ай бұрын

Naysy it’s ok. But I do have a tip for quest 3! There is one mod that allows you when you record a video to make it look like a pc! It’s called replay! It does take a few adjustments tho! But when you’re recording it looks exactly like a pc! If you’re going to use it as your daily driver, you should consider this option! The MR is a bit better with this option. From my testing it does seem to work perfect. You can get all pc graphics! And MR avatar is possible too! Okay that’s it! 🤣

@ac8074

5 ай бұрын

Banana. Oh, and damn you are adorable. 😍

@moncimoov

5 ай бұрын

i tried vp2,g2,quest2,3, and vive, and index.. index top them all.. i have psvr2 but never bought beatsaber for it😂

@jxy5298

5 ай бұрын

Poor index 😢. I personally couldn't go back to my quest after using my index for 3 months now. Hopefully mine doesn't meet the same fate as yours.

@user-it8uw3mg8r

5 ай бұрын

I got a Software-Update for my Quest 3 -Controllers lately and its really horrible now. You can see(!) the sabers disappearing ... and even "hard" is unplayable! Hope they fix this very soon - I miss BeatSaber!!!!

I love how sometimes in beat saber, the harder you consciously try, the worse you actually do😂 then when you let go and let the subconscious take over, you dominate without even thinking about it!

@CarlosRyan3

5 ай бұрын

This dont happen only on Beat Saber

@daudabappa932

5 ай бұрын

Or not play for ages and absolutely smash it on the first play - never to repeat.

@VanCee1

5 ай бұрын

Fr! I passed maps just by contemplating my life choices and they’re the best scores I had so far 😂

@sofie.love1

5 ай бұрын

frr i noticed that too

@EpIcHoBoGuY

5 ай бұрын

@@CarlosRyan3 no brain all aim 🤣

Would be cool (but also hard) to do a similar test but between Native Quest vs Link cable vs Air link vs Virtual Desktop!

This ain't how you make a test. For testing something the variables needs to be independent of eachother, which they clearly aren't, since your going from headset to headset and other stuff can mess with the results like how tired you are or even that you can become a bit better for playing the song more.

There are definitely many factors and it’s for sure personalized. When I switched from Q1 to Q2 with different grips, my scores went up. I again changed out my lighting and room setup. Scores went up ever more. I would love to try pro controllers tho to see what happens. This was a great experiment and very scientific. Thanks!

@Klust413

3 ай бұрын

Oh, I'm pretty sure they'll go up. They've eliminated a lot of those misses that I swear I hit. They especially cleaned up the left slices out to the far left for me. Those were really consistently failing to register, but now they're connecting every time.

Comparing and contrasting virtual reality headsets on a game that I am familiar with is super helpful to me - I am trying to get several friends into VR. Thank you very much.

Nice video! meta used beat saber to calibrate their controllers, it's not surprising that it scores really well.

Great video! Seriously good stuff, I've been waiting on a video like this since the q3 dropped, And I think you did a great job comparing the headsets and trying to keep it level and even. My Quest 3 comes today, any minute cannot wait to try it out! It'll be my daily driver for at least some time.

it might be the refresh rate difference form the bigscreen who is locked at 90hz and the meta standalones at 120hz that make the score down a bit on the bigscreen rather than the meta standalones

did you set them all to the same refresh rate ? or did you run the beyond at it's max of 90 Hz and the different Quests at 120 Hz ?

Thank you for this! I’ve been beating my q2 scores with the q3. I still think I need to perfect my controller settings. All in all, it’s a great headset!

@Naysy What setting do you need to change so it doesnt look like 320p? I have the quest 2 in the oculus device setting changes to 120hz and max res. I also have OVR advanced setting on steam that can make game play manageable reading text is often to pixalated to read.

You put in a lot of work in this video. Thanks for helping me with my next purchase. You're the best.

I found the tracking in the Quest 3 to be substandard, but after watching your results, maybe it's the difference in the feel and grip of the controllers that is throwing me off. Thx, caused me to re-evaluate.

You are the only person to have gone to innovative heights to test the tracking on the headsets. I wasn't even aware pro controllers work with Q3 and Q2. This is such an informative video. Subbed.

@ReclaimerTyphoon

3 ай бұрын

- They're not the only one, so that's an untrue statement - The second sentence on the Pro Controllers' product page literally says they're compatible, and so many KZreadrs have said as much since they launched. - Ultimately, nothing was actually learned, and no conclusions were made - and they didn't even test everything in working order, and they didn't control for a bunch of things. Not resting properly between each session is a huge fail, for example. This video was terrible science, nothing was learned, and no new information was communicated. I'm glad I watched it at 2.5x speed, and skipped a lot of the fluff.

@PoopSockles

2 ай бұрын

​@@ReclaimerTyphoonHoly shit bro please get laid

wow, I think I have the same issue with the pro controllers and the quest3,, just thought I was just really bad a beatsaber. will repair and try again

Nice and interesting comparison. I still thinking inside out tracking has so many benefits to not needing dedicated playspace, that I'm glad it seems to be improving with the Quest 3. Bananananananana

Cool video! I will try unpairing/re-pairing my Q3 controllers because there's definitely something funky going on with the haptics. I'd also appreciate a comparison between the Q2, QPro and Q3 controllers on other rhythm games. I play Smash Drums, Ragnarock and Synth Riders as well as BS, and Ragnarock in particular is behaving weird with Q3 for me - consistently missing hits. Starting to consider upgrading to Touch Pro controllers...

I was surprised with my scores when I got my Quest 3. I was playing on the Quest version at first and got new high scores. Thinking that was just because it was better then the Q2, I tried it with the Q3 on the Steam version using Virtual Desktop. I would have figured there would be extra latency, but again I got some new high scores. My conclusion was that the lighter controllers had a lot to do with it. Glad you may have had the same thought. Loved the comparison, I've been curious how it would shake out. Thanks

@lolno98

5 ай бұрын

I really wanted to like VD but for some reason it makes beat saber unplayable on my quest 3. My pc is good enough to run beat saber just fine, wired in yields best results but the battery dies so quickly connected to my pc. So I'd use air link and plug it into the wall but it had noticeable latency issues. Then I bought VD to see if that would help and by far that was the worst performance. I've played around with the settings, looked up videos and guides, etc but I couldn't get it to work right. I kept trying for the first two weeks the quest 3 was out and gave up on VD after that

@Chytris

5 ай бұрын

@@lolno98 You can buy powered link cables. You can plug those to both your PC and your wall. Then your Quest discharges a lot slower or even not at all

@mranon123

5 ай бұрын

@@lolno98 You are probably overlooking the most important factor that has nothing to do with your PC and headset which is your network setup. It's critical that you have a good router and cable connection from PC to your router to achieve a good quality wireless connection. Most ISP routers just dont cut it. VD discord has a list of good routers. Wifi is very prone to any interference, besides good router you also need to configure it to use a clean channel. That said, even on best setup you will still have 20-40ms latency on Quest and it's just inherent to Quest PCVR. If you have trouble identifying the bottlenecks use the VD overlay that will show during the game which part of your setup causes issues. For me VD runs much worse than AirLink. but it seems to vary from person to person.

@itsjase92

5 ай бұрын

@@lolno98 Link cable is ideal for beat saber, Air Link is just slightly behind. VD is fine for most games but there's slightly higher latency than Air Link which while fine for most games, makes a difference in beat saber.

Hey I play quest 2 and I got used to the weight and I got to play a value index then I played for a bit I noticed the weight was different and it threw me off for a couple minutes but I got even better on value

How about a Quest 2/3 with SteamVR wireless streaming? I don't notice any lag myself, but it must be there. Surely it should be quantifiable in Beat Saber on such a high difficulty?

As an engineer, i approve this is a successful experiment and she is a certified VR scientist

I know its really old now but i would be curious to see how the tracking on the Original Oculus Rift CV1 with touch controller compared to all these newer headsets.

@sansus6922

2 ай бұрын

I can say with absolute confidence, its better. period The original Rift is the best Headset for Beat Saber

@xSS4x

2 ай бұрын

@@sansus6922 Yeah, that is what i use at home. I bought extra sensor and a kinect V2 for FBT as well. So i felt like it is still superior to the options shown in this vid since nothing i have tried feels just as good honestly . . . But i wanted to see it in this comparison lol

@sansus6922

2 ай бұрын

@@xSS4x as someone who used all kinds of different headsets and tracking methods, I would say the rift tracking is still the best. I could be biased, but i think the base station tracking for the index is just slightly worse. And when it comes to something like camera tracking which the Pico or Quest uses, its somewhat viable for beat saber, though only the quest one. With an insane lead when it comes to worst tracking is the psvr, it feels like your wrists are made out of rubber and cement at the same time, the controllers are literally all over the place with the slightest fast movement. tl;dr: If you use the rift, you are doing everything right

@xSS4x

2 ай бұрын

@@sansus6922 i totally agree with the PSVR being the worst, i tried playing BS on it at a friends house before and it was horrible.

Still love beat saber on ps4vr. It feels like your holding swords. Also on quest2 i notice frame drops all the time

nice video, ironically ive found the psvr 1 move controllers to be the best feel for beat saber, ignoring the basic tracking (but thats about all they were good for)

@michaelwhite6461

5 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree - can't understand it either. I love the sense controllers, and enjoy playing beat saber with them, but it feels a little more exhausting than using the much heavier move controllers. The quest 2 controllers were easy enough to use, but I always felt like they were going to fly out of my hands. Maybe it's because they're the controllers that are closest to ligthsaber hilts ;-)

Thank you, been waiting for this!

Banana! Surprising results in the data but I definitely think the conclusion of controller weight makes sense. I'm still northside of I want to upgrade to the bigscreen and lose out on 144hz, but I definitely want that screen.

Hey Naysy, have you changed your in game controller settings for any one these? If not, the default settings for the knuckles are terrible and could explain why you consistently score lower using the bigscreen beyond. The default angle the saber is aligned to the controller is very different in the knuckles vs quest controllers, so quest could have an unexpected advantage 🤔

@Naysy

5 ай бұрын

I’ve never been able to find any offsets I like.😭 But I should try and experiment with it a bit more.

Was the quest tests done with the native beatsaber game or did you user virtual desktop? If virtual desktop was not used could you do those tests as well?

@Naysy

5 ай бұрын

It was standalone. I have such issues getting virtual desktop running well and trying to record at the same time. I don’t feel like it would be a good representation. But I might test it more and try optimise my setup.

What firmware version are your quest 3 controllers?

You’re insane at beat saber this should be the topic of the video lmao

As usual, very interesting and informative video! Thanks @Naysy ! Oh, and if I may ask, I've seen your necklace in a couple videos and I'm just curious: what molecule does it represent? Any story behind it?

@Naysy

5 ай бұрын

It’s caffeine 😊

@efferkah

5 ай бұрын

@@Naysy oh that's awesome!

Haha Beta I have quest one still. It may crash or just not work sometimes but it's been with me for years!

How well would you do with the psvr1?

This is an extremely helpful video as we're frustrated with one of our headsets BUT MOREOVER OMG YOUR DRESS at 1:20 is SO forkin cute.

id be curious to see how you'd do with the 1st gen psvr haha

@tylerclout8175

Ай бұрын

Yeah same, probably not that bad

this is what we needed thanks

For the modding it has not worked for me and what is the new version for the modding

Were you running the Bigscreen Beyond at 72hz? I wonder if the Valve Index at 144hz would be any good, it was always my favorite for beat saber, but its so old and low resolution idk if I could ever go back to it anyway.

Hi, bmbf v51+ working on Q2 v53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 59 ? thanks

I've only ever had a PSVR 1 and a PSVR 2 and I completely agree with you. The controllers on the PSVR 2 make it much harder to play well, even compared to PSVR 1, which I loved playing on since the controllers were the most like actual Saber hilts.

@amongus-fm8sg

3 ай бұрын

Fr, the PSVR1 controllers look like light saber handles 😂😂😂

Thanks for the very informative video! I love the Mysthbusters Science style! Thanks Naysy! BANANA all day lol

For me I find best personal performance on PSVR 2, but I also have nearly a thousand hours of beat Saber on Quest 2, and got a quest 3 yesterday

Welp..I'm rewriting my christmas list... thank you for this video!! Here I thought I needed a pro..but now I think I just need the flippin controllers! Darn it! Banana!!!

You have a Kelly O vibe and I love it. I wish I could watch her talk about data 😂

No cv1 test? I believe that may still be better. As long as you have your sensors and room set up well. The controllers are still my favourite.

I haven’t run into the haptic issue with the Q3 + pro controllers, but they take a long time to first wake up.

I do have a quest 2 and valve index controller (waiting for my Bigscreen) and I find the index controller very bad for beat saber… yes they are heavy but I dislike where the sword come out from them and couldn’t adjust them for a better angle….

Beautiful and smart! A great combination.

I've been on the OG Vive for years. Got quite okay at Beat Saber. I tried the Quest 2 once and it's incredibly bad. Like I couldn't believe how much of a delay there was. I didn't realize it used the camera tracking because it was already set up for me. So I guess it's much much easier to setup but the latency penalty is just so not worth it for home use. I'll never go away from light house tracking. I hope Valve releases the Index 2 soon ish so I can upgrade to that.

Sad to not see the Valve Index on the docket. That's what I have access to, and it's sad to not have a point of comparison.

I think the issue with the scores could be the latency when using the BigScreen. You have more latency going out to the PC and back to the HMD. When you play stand alone on the Quest headsets you don't have the latency of having the processing happening at the far end of a cable. Does it contribute more than more forgiving tracking that may be helping you out on the Quests? Who knows, but it is another variable.

@gpdubs

5 ай бұрын

The Bigscreen Beyond and valve index have no real latency related to the cable. They both use displayport so they basically operated only as displays. Different than quest pcvr where there is some encoding decoding going on that creates some display latency. Now lighthouse tracked controllers are just different than inside out tracking, so how they choose to apply predictive algorithms in each could change a bunch of things. But she is probably right that weight matters. Have used both and if you assume tracking is identical (or close enough), quest controllers are just a lot lighter.

Maybe your controller offsets with your Index controllers need to be tweaked.

I really like this video, love the new style 😃

It’s bananas that the thumbnail wasn’t you in the lab coat and glasses.

Weight is a big factor, maily in the faster maps. The energy you must spend to stop the directions you are cutting and reverse it grows exponetially with the speed and weight. So the ligher the controller the better. So if everything else was the same, the index controller would be the worst to play beat saber.

I really need to look into alternative PCVR controllers. I can't use the quest controllers on the index if not I would. The claw grip is so efficient. 😭

@sp00kqd92

4 ай бұрын

index controllers are good tho

Great! Now I gotta get Quest pro controllers for my Quest 2! 😮🤔💵

i got the quest 2 and the pro controllers but im better with quest 2 controllers idk why but i really thank u so much for helping people how i got mods on beat saber was beacuse of you keep doing content ur great

Wish you tried the CV1 controllers (Rift S). I swear to god the Q3 controllers are a huge step down from the Rift S controllers.

Acn you try the psvr on the ps4?

Great, really . Love your science. 😂

"darta" lol

I think the fact that the Quest 3 is still competitive against its newer sibling is pretty banana. Er, bananas. ;) Much as I’d like to add a Steam VR setup to my kit, I’m still pretty happy with my Quest 2. I don’t think I’ll need to upgrade unless there is a major shift, or I suffer a hardware failure.

How come you didn’t include the valve index?

That was Banana levels of science..This help me pick a new VR headset for my upgrade. Had the Vive 1 since it was released & it's time to upgrade it. Still works, but is looking dated. Thanks for the review.

The thing about science is, that it's all about the quality/discipline of the methodology, and the quality of the data in. Bad methodology = bunk data out and bunk conclusions. Bad data in = bunk data out and bunk conclusions. A lot of things can be called "scientific" but the question is how reliable is the data out and the conclusions drawn. I know I am acting overly serious here, don't worry, I know and the video is good fun, and good regardless 👍 hehe. Ideally if scientific a person would publish their methodology, their data, results (data out) and conclusions and this would allow others to peer review their thesis/finding/conclusions and people all over the place would actively try to screw with your results and and prove them to be wrong (not very nice of them lol). Only IF peer reviews came back and couldn't break your conclusions, and accepted your thesis/explanation for the findings would people everywhere rejoice and say Yeaaa - this is science, meaning scientific fact. And a few would be very jealous and annoyed and bang their first, maybe on a table and rather hope that reality was different lol. ^ Forget all that, BIG question... IS all your testing on Quest 2 and Quest 3 etc... Was it stand alone or PC? As the two are VERY different and very likely to substantially affect the data/results/conclusions. fun vid - we all need white coats! 😂

I just wanna say Naysy that your videos are seriously hilarious, incredibly clever, and well-done. I'm not sure if you make these videos on your own, but the effort put into them really shows, and I think I enjoy watching your content more than any other VR channel. Keep the great content coming!

Banana. Like your method of comparing them. More practice than theory. Could use a rough comparison in an ambiental game, too.

Controller weight is probably the big factor here… migrating from psvr1 stick-like controller to heavier psvr2 gun-like controller made a LOT difference on arm fatigue ! Light stick-like controller is definitely the way to go for fast action cutting action ! Also, i would compare serie average and not peak. And it is very probable that the game make it more forgiving for some platform..,

Banana... I thought I heard something about the refresh rate affecting scoring somehow, but not sure where. Wish you could have added a Rift S in the test as that's what I use. Great job on the test and video though.

If its about controller weight... Etee's? Lighter than index controllers, still uses lighthouse tracking

banana!! but in all seriousness, this video helped me confirm that i do want to buy the quest 3 (along with your other video where you tried th quest 3 out) more than i thought i do.

I play on the Quest 3 and i watched back my attempt on Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites by Skrillex because i thought i did really well and i noticed some notes i blatantly missed but it let me off. 🤔 So i think that may contribute to your theory that the Quest has more forgiveable tracking to cover up its less accurate tech.

Where is Valve Index?

The standalone headsets are more forgiving. 100%. I went from quest 2 standalone to quest 2 pcvr and my scores plummeted. Then I went back to standalone and I was able to beat song that I couldn’t on pcvr with quest 2. Going back again to pcvr after beating it on standalone I wasn’t able to beat it despite feeling like I was performing just as well if not better than on standalone.

4:57... hmmm, what are the odds of 2 runs (attempt 3 on both Pro and Quest ) being exactly the same score. As a data analyst at my company would say "smells suspiciously spurious"

I just got the pro controllers for my quest 2, and it was immediately obvious they were so much better for beat saber than the regular controllers. Now when I miss, I know it was my fault. There were so many times with the standard controllers where I swear I sliced that block and it just wouldn't give it to me.

@BE_Tboo

3 ай бұрын

The garsh setup

whats about the valve index?

Came from index to quest 3 and ended up with quest 3 paired with index controller instead. quest controller is just too small.

IMHO, for it to be a truly level playing field the Quests should all have been on PCVR via Link cable. That'd mitigate any "extra forgivingness" baked into the standalone version of Beat Saber.

The controllers are more important for this than the headset in isolation, any headset with good responsiveness and clarity will work fine, the controllers on the other hand, weight, form factor and tracking are so important. I've been a lighthouse tracking guy for a while, but recently got the Quest 3 and have been surprised by how good the tracking is, wouldn't say it's as good as lighthouse, but it's far closer than I expected and the controllers are just so much lighter and easier to move without fatigue, so I'll take a 1-2% reduction in tracking for 80% increase in mobility.

Good start, but not including any information about used refresh rate, the Quest 3 and 2 were the only ones that can run above 90hz (excluding PSVR2) and the platform used: Using Quests with PCVR Beat Saber results in latency that alters the experience drastically, is not very scientific at all.

How many FPS did you set?

playing beat saber for hours and hours on end.. for science! very interesting results though. So far Quest3 is better for me because the controllers are so much lighter than Q2 which makes a huge difference, it's almost effortless now.

I think steam beatsaber has smaller tolerance beacuse it thinks you are using outside-in tracking, but on quest there's bigger tolerance.

there's no ''best headset for beat saber'' you can be really good with anything just play, the only thing you could worry is if you have an index or a vive the controllers are too heavy usually, if not you're completely fine lol

Mad theory - what if PC version of the beatsaber has different settings or slight code changes compared to quest's standalone, that leads to different scores

Smart glasses review coming up? :)

No rift?

There's so many factors... stamina, controller settings, tracking optimization, not to mention if you repeatedly do one song, it stands to reason you would improve slightly and then plateau... like I wouldn't be surprised if you just used the same setup for all your takes and came out with similar results. Personally, my ranking in terms of tracker quality for Beat Saber from best to worst: 1. Rift/Rift S - With dedicated sensors for its controllers, it has the most stability and least wobble. The controller itself is lighter than the quest 2/3 not to mention the most well-built. 2. Touch (Quest 2) - very stable, but still has some wobble when compared to the Rift. 3. Quest Pro - decent tracking, but camera based tracking means it has a higher chance of flying off during heated sessions, not to mention it actually occasionally overheats and stops working (literally a notification pops up that says "your controllers are too warm, let them rest for a bit"). 4. Touch Plus (Quest 3) - maybe updates will fix this, but I'm guessing due to the lack of rings like the Q2 controllers, the tracking quality is far less precise. Routinely jumps several inches in random directions, which is terrible for BS. Quest 3 also doesn't have top-facing cameras like the Q2. 5. Knuckles - haven't seriously tested this one yet but lighthouse tracked means it does have good tracking, it's just... heavy and not balanced well, and requires a whole different set of grip settings.

Ok, i’m hopefully attending a augmented reality meet up at the end of the week and went to do a little extra research and I found this video helpful. So here you are: banana.

did you do PS4 vr?

Maybe its because you developed a muscle memory due to the inertia of the heavier headset which is now missing in the lighter bigscreen beyond?

Its because latency on standalone headsets like Quest 3 is lower. Plus the Quest 3 Controllers are lighter and smaller.

The reason you scored better on the quest headsets is because of swing bug, where the headset predicts position between frames. This means higher scores. The swing bug is more powerful on low refresh rate headsets. This means you’d probably do even better on the quest 1

S-tier content yet again Professor Naysy!!! 🙌💙 At least I now have an excuse for my PS VR2 Beat Saber scores 😅

Hope you get the Apple 🍎 Vision Pro and give us a review.

Banana. Also I was trying to decide if beat saber is something I should consider paying for. If you could do a video on that, that would be cool, or point me to the video you did or someone else who did that

the fact that you can do expert+ is good enough. i can't go higher than normal 🤣😂