He's avoiding Orc unit tierlist. GET HIM!

@HellecticMojo

24 күн бұрын

How? He's camping in the central healing fountain. You can't contest that

@Hellwolf36

24 күн бұрын

I can probably guess at least 2 units that will be S: Peons and Raiders.

@undead._

24 күн бұрын

​@@Hellwolf36tauren 100% c tier

@Thelegoterrapin

24 күн бұрын

I was about to go check and see how I missed it. Maybe he’s waiting on the PTR to finalize so they don’t immediately outdate it🤔

@poilboiler

24 күн бұрын

Mass kodo S tier.

Babe wake up grubby is talking again

@nabilrahman8243

24 күн бұрын

He's about to TAAAAAAAAALK 🥵🤯🫨

@masonrockwood7732

24 күн бұрын

This 'comment' format really needs to die. It wasn't even funny the first time.

@Boudie96

24 күн бұрын

I don’t understand why my gf doesn’t want to listen to grubby with me

@DivineBanana

24 күн бұрын

Babe wake up, ​@@masonrockwood7732is talking.

@user-nb8qn2eh1n

24 күн бұрын

​@@masonrockwood7732 babe wake up someone's getting mad about a meme format again

At this point, we need a tier list of the tier lists

@stormbravetale1656

24 күн бұрын

Only after a tier list of tech tiers

@KeMeEscupaUnPollo

24 күн бұрын

Tier list of Warcraft competitive players

@nmmeswey3584

24 күн бұрын

the orc tier list in the tier list tier list is just gonna be a 404 error code xd

@ratomorto5

24 күн бұрын

How about a list of tiers about the tier of Replies?

@Thelegoterrapin

24 күн бұрын

Grubby wondering about Olympic sports was S tier for sure

Grubby flying around the screen to point at stuff gives me life

@ItsMySpaceship

24 күн бұрын

It was novel for a few minutes but found it a bit disorienting. I still enjoyed the vid overall but would have preferred a regular pointer.

@toptenanime

23 күн бұрын

+1 for more flying grubby

@tabula_rosa

21 күн бұрын

for mirrored maps grubby should put the map in the center of the screen and then mirror himself, even if it has to be diagonally

Grubby stalling on the Orc unit tier list because he knows he needs at least 4 hours to discuss it.

@jphysics

24 күн бұрын

I always let the orcs finish me off

@Jack_Rakan

24 күн бұрын

He needs the time to come up with reasons to put every unit in S tier

Goddamn Grubby leaving Orc unit ranking for last

I love weatherman Grubby. I could also listen to Grubby talk about WC3 history basically forever.

These tierlists got me back into WC3 after...about 17 years lmao

@sharpasacueball

24 күн бұрын

I miss playing custom maps with friends

@tanzenderbuchstabe9539

24 күн бұрын

@@sharpasacueball I feel that. We had great lan parties where we played all kinds of fun maps.

@SirDebest

24 күн бұрын

Same

@Garviel_Loken.

24 күн бұрын

They got me playing campaign again 😂

@primary2630

23 күн бұрын

Same but I'm just playing the campaigns

I havent played this game in like 15 years and I still have positive associations with Twisted Meadows

@xPeej

24 күн бұрын

Best map! 🙏

@ericmartin70287

24 күн бұрын

I think its a great 2v2 map. I hated playing maps like this as an orc who didnt scout well, as orcs must be reactionary.

if only i had a way to show these ranking videos to my 2003-2004 self

I've been waiting for the Orc tier list and was a bit dissapointed when I see this video. But 15 minutes in, man this is even BETTER than a units tier list.

I think I remember the Moon vs Grubby game. And the other game vs Moon, 2008 in Cologne, I watched it live. I WAS THERE. Moon and Grubby started on the opposite side of the grid, so a finals with there two would theoretically be possible. And then, they both went to the finals. Going to the venue, I saw Grubby and Cassandra, both smiling but slightly tense. I held my "Grubby FTW" sign high during the match, and the night before I added "2004 2008" hoping for another Grubby championship.

damn it man.... I only have 60 min a day for watching videos of games i don't play anymore and now I gotta put 2 slots in for this? shiet. ok, I guess.

I almost never comment but I love your channels! Also, we need an item tier list

@umamifriends

24 күн бұрын

something about this channel is incredibly compelling; I'm so hype for these tier lists and I haven't played in like 15 years hahah

For those who are curious, the teammate that grubby is talking about is ToD. During 2006, Grubby and ToD quite surprisingly met each other quite often in the grandfinals despite being a teammate which may be the reason why he didn't want to practice with grubby.

Create a hero using abilities of the already existing heroes so that you create your ideal hero

@sergritm

24 күн бұрын

sooo, ability draft?

@elrondmcbong6392

24 күн бұрын

Warstomp + blink + endurance aura or cleave + avatar

@jerryguo2695

24 күн бұрын

Brilliance+endurance+unholy pog

@antarath517

24 күн бұрын

Scout, Death Pact, Engineering Upgrade, and Reincarnation (so that you get to keep using this awesome hero)

@HellecticMojo

24 күн бұрын

Panda ult, arch mage aura, hex, stormbolt.

“He lifted me and I felt more limbs than two” what did you mean by this grubby 😂

I haven't played in 20 years but this still of great interest to the little cluster of neurons i have buried in my brain somewhere. I love these talks while I'm on the bike or treadmill.

We need a tier list of neutral creeps!

I humbly request a summonable units (from spells and items) tier list.

Loved the acting, you are very good at enacting the murlock!. Lovely 2 hours of watch. I did not do it all in one go, but it's cool to come back to aswell and watch after I've played a certain map :)

Listening to Grubby is making me want to play WC3 again, I wasn't very good but so many good memories of it, and it would be cool to learn NE properly haha

1:51:22 My God Grubby! I love the way you express yourself! Hillarious! Love all of your content and I'm learning soo much that I had no idea about when it comes to Good 'Ol WC3!

That market place insight and creep camp item drop is some next level game knowledge. I'm not even playing the game anymore since 2014, but boy do I want to know more about it.

These tier lists are great Grubby. I love the trips down memory lane of the history of the game, the meta and your experiences you touch on in these videos. I would love a dedicated video on the evolution of the meta and innovations in the competive space from 2002 onwards. You're such an innovator yourself you could discuss how and why you approached certain challenges, but also your experience and reaction to early pioneers such as Insomnia, DayFly and MaDFroG. Like at the start of this video you said that UD would rather race swap to Orc mirror on Maelstrom in 2004 and my question is why? I know this was a trend even on Lost Temple that UD would raceswap to avoid Orc, but what specifically about the matchup/map were they trying to avoid?

1:16:55 this was such an iconic moment. Was live in the crowd cheering for you :). Had never imagined you could really win this, always hoped, but moon was just that strong and night elf so much better than orc. You lost the first game and the second was on a knives edge, but hell you played so amazing. Khaldor screaming was the cherry on top, one of my favourite casters of all time. Seeing you at the end standing there with the durch flag around your shoulders and a pretty devastated moon. So long back in the past, how time flys by, I just recently started my study at this point in 2008 :).

@GrubbyTalks

24 күн бұрын

One of the best memories ever. Thank you for being there sharing the moment haha

@aleksitjvladica.

23 күн бұрын

How can I find that to watch?!

@jesuseinstein4706

23 күн бұрын

​@@aleksitjvladica. Just search in youtube, dont know if it is allowed to post links. grubby vs moon wcg 2008 You will find even a rehearseal from Grubby himself on his channel of all 3 games. Do not know if there is an english version, but the german one is the most legendary with the live stage commentary from Khaldor.

@aleksitjvladica.

23 күн бұрын

@@jesuseinstein4706 Thank you. I know German enough.

I didn't realize the new Echo Isles changed so much! I will have to give it a try.

One issue Grubby didn’t mention about TurtleRock was a lightning shield drop from the second spot on the default creeproute. That single drop was instantly turning HvH mirror into a terrible mess. You just LS your footmen into your opponents base and their peasants are just dead, especially on closer respawns. And everyone was aware about it. It was addressed later in patches, but while it was with us TR was a Russian roulette for human.

I saw the title and thought "Twisted Meadows better be at the top", such a great map with so many dynamics and variety. Not surprised it's alone at the top, and interesting it's a 4-players map that has the #1 spot too

Since a healing fountain heals ALL the units around it it also scales with the number of units being healed which evens itself out. During a fight near a healing fountain however high hp units have an advantage because of focus fire.

Thank you so much sensei for those vids! Starting my journey with w3 and already learned a lot thanks to you

I am not at all surprised that Turtle Rock is the longest segment in this video lol.. loved that rant. Those adjacent spawns were wild times.

I'm working on an Altered Melee map rn, and the amount of info in this vid is so much helpful for me especially the balancing aspect!

I think it's interesting/a bit of a shame that we had so few classic competitive maps that used different tilesets. WC3 has such a wide range of tilesets but between creep balance and just the fact that outlands, barrens, snow, etc. aren't as easy on the eyes, my memories of WC3 will always just be green.

@GrubbyTalks

24 күн бұрын

WC3, truly is, evergreen

Man this is the best series you ever made. Keep the tier lists coming. 💪💪💪

I know it isnt a 1v1 map, but I loved back then to play "friends" as a 4v4. It had some issues with creep camps (because there are like no camps ;D), but still like the concept of having a mate directly nearby.

17:13 I love how you compare a good map the same way as how chess openings work, where you have options for sequential creeping routes and expansion (in Chess's case: positioning your pieces for strong area coverage) or harassing your opponents in an early rush which all depends on your play style! 😄

grubby do you know the cheesy red creep spot strat with human archmage at lvl 1 on Last Refuge? You rush hero + shop buy two critters. Bring your critters in position next to the goldmine to block the melee creeps, but let a gap for your hero. pull the creeps with 1-2 units away. get your hero in position behind the goldmine and start casting blizzard on the range units until they die. the critters block the melee units from reaching your hero. this strat is really risky but really fun to pull of.

You talking about gnoll wood and peon scouting brought back memories of similar frestration. I generally thumbs down maps I had to scout as orc, but if I played 2v2 with my brother, I would have to scout. Countless peons were sacrificed.

In addition to a tier list, a “map review” series would be incredible. Pointing things out for each race to look out for. Timings, particulars about the creep camps, and so forth.

Its so cool learning about the marketplace. I never knew it worked that way.

Grubby restoring lost memories from my childhood

I love this format. I never would have thought about a map tier list. But here it is. Very entertaining! I wish I knew it years ago when I was trying to join local competitive tournaments...

i love these tier lists. randomly fell into your channel after watching Artosis lose his mind after getting spanked by a 4pool. now I'm itching to replay wc3, which I haven't done since it was released.

Man this was so entertaining as well as informative! It's so interesting to learn about all these strategies on the pro level. Are there any more maps that could be ranked haha But what about Rusty Creek, Tidehunters, Hammerfall etc?

Turtle Rock also had the 3 archer solo creeping the big turtle strategy. Truely a broken map but super fun

This channel is exactly what I needed at work. Great job 👏

Amazing job with this video especially having both the map + the name in the tier list!

This was so entertaining and nostalgic! Thanks Grubby. ❤

Nice video Grubb! But could u try next time open maps in editor and show everything inside? items, models ways and etc. would be so cool!

such a detailed tier list, at first I didn't think that it will be longer than 30 min vid... tbh never thought about all these map's specifics.. God I love this game.

This is more of a Grubby rant in (almost) every single map and I'm enjoying it 🤣

Heh 😈- Word on the street is…Your opponent has been creeping claw of attack!… 🤜🏻🦀 🤣 beautifully delivered. S tier.

Man I love this analysis. When Grubby said one of his big passions is teaching, I totally see! Awesome insights!

Turtle Rock is my favorite map ever. It was very interesting to learn pro players perspective, and I get why some things are problematic, but for me there is nothing more fun than Turtle Rock. The fact that you could spawn right next to each other just added to fun for me. On the level I used to play nobody was doing militia rush or crazy stuff like that. But tower rush? All the time. And it was always fine with me.

Dude your passion and knowledge is heckin compelling, really appreciate the insight Grubby. I can't not learn something lol

This will be a perfect accompaniment to my walk later. Thanks Grubbo!

At first: "2 hour video sounds way too long" At the end: "WE WANT MORE!"

Loving all these tier lists! Can't wait for the items and creeps tier lists XD

52:20 is Grubby’s resident evil merchant impression and i love it

These are fun to listen to while I am doing the dishes or cleaning. Thanks

I learned a lot about RTS in from this video that I was not aware when I played as a little kid. However, I'd put Turtle Rock in negative F tier.

51:45 what the heck, that part sounded like a 180IQ postdoc talking about his research into rotating black holes

I am loving the tier lists!

Grubby should do an entire video on why Twisted is the WC3 map GOAT.

Love this content :)

Awesome video!! :-) But what about Hammerfall, Tidehunters and Gloom Stalker?

Surprised to see no Tidehunters on the list considering how much tournament play it's had and great games it's produced over the last few years.

The moving finger pointer is absolutely amazing. I see Grubby tier list, I instantly stop working and watch in entirety.

This is my favorite tier list so far. Especially like hearing the reasons why the map is balanced or not And the history of it

These tier lists have gotten me and my bro back into WC3. I think these tier lists have been some of the most effective advertising WC3 has seen in a long time

Hey Grubby please make a GrubbyTalks about different damage and armor types and maybe the most common units for each!, thank you for the content

i came here to check how the editor managed all the movement by grubby back there

Nice, I had been wondering why creep pulling had changed!!

im doing weights in the gym and almost dropped them mid-set because i couldnt stop laughing at the marketplace joke 😂

He really went all in into that tier list stuff :D

shortest tier list ever but grubby could make it a 2 hour video.... Race tier list

God i enjoy you explaining stuff so much. I hope you start to rank StarCraft units and maps too❤

Instead of the final race tier list, he should do a meta-shift tier list, detailing the largest shifts in multiplayer builds and counters due to major balance patches.

Grubby if you're trying to delay the orc tier list maybe make a neutral unit/merc unit tier list

My favourite map is Turtle Rock. It's best for fast expo, multi-lane and good creeping. Undead and Human win rates are good on this map, which are my favourite races.

THIS IS THE CONTENT WE WANT BABY!!

Your insight to these maps is interesting. Unfortunately, I quit Blizzard about 7 years ago and I don't regret it.

Going out for a bike ride, but I think I'm going to PLAY WC3 all day because of you.😂

YO I GOT AN IDEA after you make the final Orc unit tier list maybe you can take all the races in one video and add to those tier lists the merc camp and goblin shop units?? And ofc talk about why and when to buy them and stuff :D Also it would be an awesome bait for anyone who didn't watch the previous tier list to go watch it :DD

Well, I asked for this in one of the previous videos, I would be glad to make one for the maps that aren't for tournaments.

This is probably going to be my favorite list you do because I have NO IDEA what makes a map better or worse for a particular race I already learned I probably shouldn't play Amazonia as Undead 🙃

No matter the subject I love hearing someone passionate talking about things they are intimately familiar about.

Impatiently waiting for orc tier list

Never thought I'd hear "bad feng-shui" as a point of criticism against Warcraft 3 maps.

I would love to see a possession/charm target unit tier list.

Whenever I play on the Last Refuge I have an irresistible urge to go full Annoying Warcraft 3. The overlooking hills are just asking for some cheese.

Where can I watch the Grubby Undead vs Le mysterious human player on Turtle rock? I cannot find it anywhere.

Turtle rock is a place near Blizzard HQ in Irvine, California. 😊

I could watch a movie. Or I could listen to Grubby talk about maps for two hours. Grubby it is.

I will never forget grubby vs moon, at wcg 2008 Köln Germany.

I literally asked for this Honestly i wasnt expecing this,thank you man ❤

The tier list era just keeps on giving

I've been loving these tier lists. What about an item tier list? 😄

"Who cut the cheese" - after living 8 years in the Netherlands, yes. I concur.