The fact that people can be using someone else's art to do this is what really pisses me off. If an artist wants to do this themselves then I'm on the fence about it but if people are literally using artwork that's not theirs then it's legit theft.

@c.Orange

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah i would be all down to use my own art to do this, there are many things about it that sketch tho and I'm not fomo about this but if someone were to steal my art it's a big no no. So there is that as well, what if some kiddo steals my art and makes loads of cash from my property meanwhile I'm a starwing artist just trying to do what I have passion for.

@leonardoromero2000

3 жыл бұрын

that's just stealing. I think it can be sued if you prove the artwork the other one sold was made by you. No matter which justice applies to that wolrd, stealing is stealing, and the gulty has to be fined.

@Sammysapphira

3 жыл бұрын

Except....... this already happens with normal means of sale. Chinese bootleggers copy art and then put it on t-shirts and mugs without any royalties to the original artist. To use it as a knock againdt NFTs is nothing short of intellectual dishonesty.

@ThePalatineHill

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sammysapphira 1: Just because the crime occurs elsewhere doesn't mean we ignore or wave off the issue on hand when it involving a completely different system, it means we solve it before it becomes a major problem. (You also make it sound like I enjoy the existence Chinese bootleggers) 2 i don't know what you're getting at as you can clearly see my positioning on nft's in my original post (middle of the fence to reiterate) 3 When someone throws the phrase "intellectual dishonesty" out there so carelessly you know they are being snobbish, kinda like a pompous art house director using the word's ‘unsophistocated’ or ‘not real art’ to denigrate the work of others. This isn’t done out of honesty this is done because people are trying to protect their own skin in the game so others don’t ruin their place in the art world so I can only assume your usage of it makes you pretty invested in nft’s. In which when people criticize it its obvious you’re going to get butt hurt about it. 4 I got heavy problems with art bootleggers of any kind but the reason why that’s even allowed in china is literally because they are communists. Personal property, individuality, and respect of ownership means nothing to systems like that and it’s the government of china that allows it (i'm pretty sure they encourage it too) much to the contempt of the rest of the world. Trying to But What About the Chinese bootleggers is you attempting to ace in the hole shut down a conversation so people don’t counter your view on nft’s. Again, a completely different thing than an ENTIRE SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT that relies on totalitarianism to do business. Fixing that mess of worms is a farcry different story than dealing with a decentralized blockchain that doesn’t have strict rules on what can be made into a token. 5: Simple rule to add really, proof of ownership of original media before it can become a token so actual artists/legal owners can make the choice on whether their work becomes a token. Have it be a legal requirement for all nft’s (consider it a good-will benefit of making them). Its one thing to bring up all the other issues and benefits of decentralized currency but to make it a free for all where anyone can take anyone’s work and turn it into money for themselves is an incredibly bad look for nft’s so yes in truth it is a significant nock on nft’s. If they are doing shit that any reasonable person would say “that’s shitty” then you definitely got a problem on your hands and waving it off is going to get people like me who are on the fence to consider the system a sham.

@c.Orange

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sammysapphira just because it's already happening elsewhere doesn't mean you should make it worse you dingus.

Another problem is crypto miners have made hell for anyone wanting graphics cards, now it's nearly impossible to find many because they hoard them and buy them as soon as they hit for digital purchase to make more crypto farms and have spiked the prices up. GPU's were lowering in costs steadily until crypto miners started to proliferate and now their prices have spiked up thanks to them making them less accesible.

@EckosamaGhostTsushima

3 жыл бұрын

wait thats not a product of the massive shortage?

@MrDezokokotar

3 жыл бұрын

@@EckosamaGhostTsushima Its both. GPU's have been very highly demanded for several years before the virus due to crypto mining but it wasnt nearly as bad as it is now.

@EckosamaGhostTsushima

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDezokokotar thats true. my friend had one and he kept telling me the prices. but its worse now and will get better after this shortage. I would say wait til after its over

@Sammysapphira

3 жыл бұрын

You can't just blame everything on crypto mining. Gaming is in its biggest boom of all time with literally hundreds of millions of people entering into it as a major hobby. More people than ever before are building their own PCs.

@erineclair3446

3 жыл бұрын

@B. iez this was the thing i also brought up in ergojosh's vid. i talked with a friend who's techier than me and he told me of the huge demand for GPU especially now during the pandemic. so i can imagine miners purchasing 2 or more GPUs just to be able to mint coins to fill in the demand for NFTs​. also there's a low raw material in Silicon valley right now to be able to help produce the final output of GPUs, so it stems from that. @Sammysapphire no crypto mining is just another unessential addition to the GPU demand. gaming is well unessential too but with the world right now it weighs heavily than a collector art since it helps you alleviate anxiety due to coronavirus. however the priorities are to cater to the people suddenly needing to get their own PC because of WFH setup due to pandemic and other industries needing it to produce things useable to people imo.

It's art stock,the art doesn't really matter.

@misanthropiclusion

3 жыл бұрын

Speculative frenzy, it's the worst parts of the fine art world now coming to polute and ruin digital mediums

@BombaJead

3 жыл бұрын

@@misanthropiclusion exactly

@RegstarRogstar

3 жыл бұрын

Some people even admitted the art kinda sucks lmfao

@phibie8853

3 жыл бұрын

This is it. It's why I dont buy the argument that this is just to put trad and digital art on the same playin field, cause in this case, the art is literally just stock to the people. It degrades art imo

@anduro7448

3 жыл бұрын

@@phibie8853 its just stock with a pretty picture on it , there are even NTFs with pictures of models on them. Kinda like those rare pokemon cards , its not the art of the charizard itself that sells but the card.

The question is: If owning an art piece (digital or analog) is so desirable and/or supporting artists is such an important thing, where were these "art investors" hiding before NFT came around, did people always want to pay millions of dollars to buy art from a contemporary artist? If the digital artists wanted to find a way to authenticate an art piece and sell it, couldn't we come up with another way that didn't create such controversy?

@Hibernial

3 жыл бұрын

Must’ve been hiding on Facebook sending friends requests and IM’s about how great forex trading is 🙂.

@Sammysapphira

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. People have spent tens of thousands on things like adoptables. It's a multi million dollar market.

@shahabserwaty8685

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sammysapphira Interesting! But I don't see how these two are comparable.

@phibie8853

3 жыл бұрын

The way I see it, it isn't about them caring about the art, its caring about what these investments will bring them. In that sense, I feel like it devalues art to even more of a product than anything else has so far.

@shahabserwaty8685

3 жыл бұрын

@@phibie8853 I agree, it is even worse than that in a way that it uses art as a cover to a scheme that is only gonna cause big money losses for most people. At the end, when the heat cools down, only artists will be blamed for it.

Honestly I agree. NFTs are extremely new, and while some money can be made in selling your own art as NFTs, nobody really knows to what extent it will affect the digital art world as a whole. And that’s not even bringing up environmental implications! Also, they say that it’s to push the fact that digital art is real art, but I’ve never seen anyone say that it’s not! Digital art is a different kind of art, like sculpting, painting, photography, or anything else. I get that there is money to be made, and there’s nothing inherently wrong with wanting to make money as long as their own work and everyone knows what they’re getting into. But that’s just it: we DON’T know. We have no clue towards the full extent of NFTs, and it’s a risk that I don’t think is worth taking.

@yourah3

3 жыл бұрын

If youve never heard anyone say that digital art isnt real art then you must have clogged ears

@misanthropiclusion

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the problem is it brought the most ugly parts of the fine art world into a digital domain. There's a reason you have people like Lindsay Lohan or a tennis player selling a patch of her skin or wtv as an NFT, it's speculative nonsense, Simon Salenhag put it better, it doesn't make artists make money it only allowed a very extremely tiny amount to make millions and those are usually either people with conflicts of interest (Beeple owns 2% on an etherium and NFT dedicated companies so he WANTS this to catch on for personal benefit) or people that already had massive dedicated audiences that would follow them no matter what but the fees for smaller artists means death once your piece ends up going negative. Imagine making a drawing where you can actually LOSE money and go in debt after you already finished it without it actually making you have debt in the first place.

@yourah3

3 жыл бұрын

@@misanthropiclusion So you think its bad because only people who already have an audience can make money on it? Thats literally how everything works dude. Thats not exclusive to nft's, Instagram, patreon, youtube etc its all the same exact way. If you think that you deserve money even though you havent put any work into putting your work out and developing a following of your own then you will be dissapointed everywhere that you go. Also, every platform already has scammy artists selling scammy junk, thats also not exclusive to nft's either. The fine art world has that, youtube has that, patreon has that, etc etc etc. And the environment impact is negligible. Its the energy equivalent of a few days of 3d rendering to mint a token. Thats it. Your phone, tv, computer, cost 10 or more times the energy to produce (not to mention the precious metals mined with what is almost slave labor and the energy cost to continue to run them on a regular basis) than minting a token, and yet i dont see any of these anti NFT peeps starting a movement to convince everyone to get rid of their cell phones do you? How very convenient. In short, people who are hating on NFT's, are mostly just haters hating for the sake of hate. Crabs in a bucket jealously pulling others down just becausr they are having success. Its the "If I cant have it why should you?" mentality. Some others are people who really do care about the environment and have been misled by the haters to believe that NFTs really are significantly bad for the environment and didnt do their own research, which is exactly what the haters want, to grossly misinform and manipulate people to suit what they want. Theres nothing wrong with NFTs.

@Radintoriov

3 жыл бұрын

There's an important correction to make: NFTs are not new. They have been around the crypto community for 10-15 years and were dismissed then because there were better alternatives to what this particular NFT system works. Someone literally dug up an old and discarded system and marketed it as the "next new big thing" and is misusing what was designed to determine the quantitative value of something (like number of stocks in a company) and is now pretending it has a qualitative value, which given why it was created originally and passed over is ludicrous.

@depthbyvfx9604

3 жыл бұрын

@@yourah3 thank you man, I was going to say the same shit. And the crazy thing is everyone is dickriding the same medium/reddit post and didn’t do research on their own. If they did, they would learn there are NFT platforms that don’t use as much computing power. And these sheep don’t realize KZread releases way more carbon emissions. Artist always get jealous and instead of saying that like to hop on a bandwagon of hate. Just admit you don’t know how to sell your art/you’re not willing to put in the work. Stop crying about how unfair the world is just because you want to do everything the safe way

Doesn't it suck that we as artists have to think about these schemes instead of working on our drawing that we love.

@KoongYe

3 жыл бұрын

@@paddyotterness what are you on about? fucking chill and go draw sth.

@stephanieegbuawa9764

3 жыл бұрын

@@KoongYe he isnt wrong though .-.

@DragoonBoom

3 жыл бұрын

​@@paddyotterness theres nothing natural about money. its an abstraction meant to simplify the commodification and trading of labour. never mind the CEOs, board room directors and hedgefund managers who get rich sitting on their asses all day while we do all the actual work. we arent talking about that right now. everything blockchain technology, nfts and cryptocurrency brings to the table has already been done, in a manner thats simpler, more approachable and isn't horribly, HORRIBLY inefficient. all it has going for it is the *idea* that it might be valuable one day. its a speculative scam and a pyramid scheme.

@MrDezokokotar

3 жыл бұрын

Sure, its not ideal, but people replying to you have a point. Art is work but overall, we're lucky to have a job that we can enjoy much more than the average person enjoys theirs. Asking for even more seems a bit greedy.

@bradstoonz4703

3 жыл бұрын

@@KoongYe he ain't wrong. This statement he says that the society is like that is completely relatable

I'm not participating in nfts (just not what I need right now) but an artist I used to admire on twitter went on this weird childish ego trip about proclaiming his love for nfts and then calling everyone unfollowing him for it stupid. I didn't care that he liked nfts, I just couldn't stand how much of a brat he was being about it 😬

@poli_zgaming3616

3 жыл бұрын

You be surprised twitter mobs have started harassing artists that do nft art. To the point that they are then bragging on stealing said artists art... it's the reason why NFTs are becoming popular now Twitter folks bitching over stupid crap. I'm seeing shitty artist who make crap jumping on the artist hate towards other artists who even dare to make one artwork NFT. Cancel cultured them to Bolivian and bragged about stealing their artworks by daring to do NFT art.

@lincolny2220

3 жыл бұрын

was it Jagnjic Tomislav?

@Minty_Blitz

3 жыл бұрын

I think we were following the same person? Would be a pity if there is more than one person that believes their shit don't stink cos they use nfts

@poli_zgaming3616

3 жыл бұрын

@@aquaticso4933 then my good person, they are clearly self projecting onto others. Would you like me to recommend a talented 3d artist that does not discriminate based on petty politics? If so then I shall direct ya to him if ya want.

@RobotGlovesArt

3 жыл бұрын

@@poli_zgaming3616 Many popular artists privated their account when they first found out about NFT bots tokenizing their tweet and stealing their work.

Are people really that divided on NFTs? I feel like most people were like "whats the point, just take scrrenshot of jpeg" quickly followed by "Wait why the fuck is this taking up years worth of electricity for a single transaction this should be illegal"

@EckosamaGhostTsushima

3 жыл бұрын

it wouldnt be a big deal if beeple didnt make 69 million. Thats how it is. And people arent researching crypto. Its all kind of sad.

@DragoonBoom

3 жыл бұрын

@@EckosamaGhostTsushima blockchains right now are inherently broken. nothing should be using that much electricity. the whole thing in its current iteration is no more than a speculative scam

@EckosamaGhostTsushima

3 жыл бұрын

@@DragoonBoom all speculation is kind of that way to a certain degree though. Stocks are speculation, even if people can try and predict. Because of how much manipulation there is. But people still buy and sell. I know what you mean now, that aspect of it is sus, but so is gamestop and tesla being big. Doesnt stop me from buying though

@Hibernial

3 жыл бұрын

@@DragoonBoom Blockchain technology as a whole is a scam? I get people being cautious about it because it’s emerging, but all of it is a somehow a scam? And its power usage compared to what exactly, or how is that exactly being measured? It’s kind of the pot calling the kettle black when you’d see climate regulators criticize nft scammers for building up a ponzi scheme.

@DragoonBoom

3 жыл бұрын

​@@EckosamaGhostTsushima yeah stocks are also a stupid fucking scam. its magical thinking when you can create additional value out of something thats already in demand and in circulation. i guarantee you stuff like food and games or whatever will still exist even without big investors because these are things that people want. just a hunch but the stock market is completely redundant. im not making light of your own personal work and research investing in good stocks mind you, just that its a stupid system that only exists to make rich people even more money off of the backs of those who are doing real work. and given how stock market shenanigans can fuck over hundreds if not thousands of employees its not worth it in the slightest. your talents and labour can and will be better used in literally anything else. staring at a wall on your day off has more real life value than the stock market because there's no way you're gonna hurt anyone that way

the ONLY time an nft would make any sense to me is if it's attached to a single private commission to prove it was made specifically for you and you own it. otherwise it's just fake nonsense that people are using to scam money out of others. EDIT: i think framing it around values is a really good way to do it. other people can get into it if they think it's worth it. I'm gonna give it a pass. everybody makes a decision based on the information they have and the values they hold, like normal people with brains. That's probably the best way to do it.

@Sammysapphira

3 жыл бұрын

Except it already does that. All transactions are recorded and you can source the original person who sold the NFT. if it came from somebody that isn't the artist, then it's a knockoff. Something that's your own fault for buying, because knockoffs exist in all forms of sale.

@BombaJead

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sammysapphira but you still own nothing, it's just more speculative bullshit to trick the poor/ middle class into thinking they can get rich while doing fuck all,yay how helpful for society! (Sarcasm). It's a casino and no matter if you see some wins here and there just remember the house always wins in the end.

@therealjahovasthickness

3 жыл бұрын

@@BombaJead it’s authenticity. People value authenticity. You own the art. You own the code for the art. If a person is trying to buy some bunk ass fake shoes they will go search for fake shoes. If a person goes and buys shoes without knowing how to spot a fake, it’s their fault. Someone who actually values buying and reselling shoes will know how to spot a fake. For the environment part the method he’s talking about is proof of work. You can compare it to the giant rooms that the first computers were on. Proof of stake is your environmental friendly handheld super computer

@QWERTY-gp8fd

2 жыл бұрын

@@therealjahovasthickness u dont own the art.

*"Fast Money" and "Greed" is why it's appealing to some*

@hongminlee2010

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, that's unfortunate.. like lottery or something. For me, it's better to work that you love, then money will come along. Like Bob Ross!

@Piccoclolo

3 жыл бұрын

I don't see anything wrong with it. If anything it's giving money and power to "starving artists". Except the stolen stuff of course.

@deddrz2549

3 жыл бұрын

Looking for Fast money isn't always greedy. especially for a career choice that sometimes pays little to nothing, people need to find one way or another to monetize

@NeroCrucible

3 жыл бұрын

Some of us aren't middle class tho

@2dguy284

3 жыл бұрын

@@hongminlee2010 Bills and basic human needs(like hunger) are not going to wait until the money "come along".

Long story short: an nft is an embedded certificate of authenticity tied to a blockchain. Theres nothing stopping an artist from creating some similar art and minting a new nft. The community would have to police that sort of thing.

You're right this whole NFT thing is like a cult

@betweenthepanels9145

3 жыл бұрын

Much like Bitcoin

@bradstoonz4703

3 жыл бұрын

@@betweenthepanels9145 bitcoin has much safer transactions as well as the guidelines for security for trading.

@BombaJead

3 жыл бұрын

@@bradstoonz4703 ponzi scheme

@kloa4219

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@bolttracks

3 жыл бұрын

The ppl who defend it at every corner truly seem like cult members. "Well it'll be much more efficient soon", well, then wait till then you greedy jerk.

My main thing I try to get across with my art friends is that ANYTHING that promises "free money" or "quick money" should always be taken with a grain of salt. There is no such thing as "free money" without you having to sacrifice a chunk of your own money and energy to get it. All of these corporations and celebrities are promoting it because they have more than enough resources and connections to get that "quick money". The same cannot be said for the smaller artists, who usually lack those resources.

When I make animations in the future, I hope these selfish people don’t try and steal my animation and try to profit out of it. Art is not respected in this day and age. It just seems like one big competition instead of a unified community. That’s why I don’t really post drawings online. That’s why I want to do animation because, if it’s drawn and written well, then it has an impact on people and they admire both you and the animations.

@mikafizz1022

3 жыл бұрын

Not to sound depreciating but technically wasn't art ALWAYS not respected? Since art is subjective and illusions make it seem easy.

@inhuman_human6790

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikafizz1022 you’re right. Art wasn’t always respected in a way. It’s unfortunate, but that’s the reality. Artists don’t really respect other artists and people don’t respect artists. Kinda weird huh? It’s like you’re solo in a community. The irony is strong in this one lol.

@mikafizz1022

3 жыл бұрын

@@inhuman_human6790 nah you can't be that down on the whole medium! If anything it should make it that more precious! To value something so highly you'll spend years to learn skills that are meant to get an emotional reaction out of people? So fulfilling. Who cares if they don't get our happiness and hard work? XD by the way I am also an aspiring animator!

@inhuman_human6790

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikafizz1022 that’s a good point actually. I like the way you think. And that’s cool that you’re an animator! I can’t animate yet since I don’t have the supplies, but I will soon. I’d love to hear your animation ideas if you have any.

@mikafizz1022

3 жыл бұрын

@@inhuman_human6790 @SPEKZ what do you mean by animation ideas exactly? Mostly I just get scenes in my head that I want to recreate whether silly or cinematic. Most of my focus is on character design and developing consistency in tandem with practicing animation. And that's cool! What supplies are you getting? I can help if you need any advice!

I’m really glad you’re explaining what NFT’s are, because I think I finally understand it now ^^”

Seeing so many artist whos works i adored and inspired me, joining NFTs is nothing but Heartbreaking T_T

The only value of NFTs seems to be built on the hype. Where I'm concerned about the whole thing is what happens when the hype drops to a more normal level, or even a low level. It seems like we are seeing a very fragile bubble right now and I'm not willing to stake my money on the resilience of that bubble.

@maxgrey3694

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I see too. I feel like it's going to collapse sometime in the next few months and some people are gonna lose a hell of a lot of money!

@pczb2692

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, you'd be better off just commissioning the artists and making a deal on the copyrights of the piece with them.

@MyHollycow

3 жыл бұрын

ya it's not like bitcoin where it holds real value and has a limited supply, people can name whatever price they want with NFTs

I personally have written a contract that, any piece I sign with a certain signature that gets NFTd by anyone means that that person agreed to pay me 10grand per month (or equivalent of their currency in dollars) for life and by signing my piece, which is almost BETTER than a real signatur since its THAT infallible and unique and 'ultimate' they have read that contract and all that (it's actually quite the long document covering as many loopholes as possible to weasel out of it) and are 100000% behind that decision and the signature means they did their research and all that jazz. Edit: After all, why else would someone who is NOT I, put a NFT on something I! made? It's contracted and that's what they agreed on. 10k per month, forever. Otherwise you wouldn't just take ownership of someone elses work, without a contract.

@mikafizz1022

3 жыл бұрын

Wait are you serious??? You had a legal contract made? Do you think you can share the elements of it publicly so other artists can protect themselves?

@dorklymorkly3290

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikafizz1022 I am serious, but no lawyer made the contract, I did it ...not my fault if some NFT swashbuckler signs it anyway ;P Written contracts by laymen are valid too. I migh have it checked by a lawyer or similar at some point, though. If I do then I'll publish it. I did already specifically state that the contract is a contract, and not a license, though. It will never be a license.

NFTs are really sus

@UltimatePerfection

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I guess millions of dollars landing in your wallet are very sus. Just remember to notify IRS about your income.

@EckosamaGhostTsushima

3 жыл бұрын

@@UltimatePerfection lol yeah i dont get it, i dont get the hate

@KikiKagePro

3 жыл бұрын

It sounds like something that is going to crash and burn super hard.

@T4eva

3 жыл бұрын

Lolz

@Zconcern

3 жыл бұрын

nice pfp

I'm a vegetarian for moral reasons, but from my understanding, if you eat a bunch of meat sourced locally by small farmers, that is probably significantly better than me eating vegetarian food that is sourced from across the world--environmentally but also in terms of workers' rights, supporting small businesses, and not funding companies that cram meat animals into abusive crates. I think we've moved past "vegetarian/vegan = most moral way to eat" (which y'know, ethical consumption is a luxury, so I think the food industry as a whole is a better target than individual food choice). Thanks so much for the info though - you're super right, it DOES seem like an MLM / creating a bubble for profit.

@PHlophe

3 жыл бұрын

its guilt its not morals though. the majority of vegetarian goods you and millions of people eat can never grow in the western hemisphere and if you are popping supplement pills, same damned thang. .being a true vegetarian challenges western comfortable lifestyle and this despite the fact that you don't actually need to walk to go get your food. so its all plain performative Bullishit that y'all are indulging into . Eat your damned food , you are only creating less rubbish for yourself and your kitchen ain't cluttered. And that's cute but that's all there is, really. Eish !

@TomYeeha

3 жыл бұрын

Transport is only a tiny fraction of emissions for food. Locally-produced meat will still have a higher footprint than plant foods sources from around the world. Not to mention the amount of extra water, land and antibiotics it takes to raise meat. Double not to mention the killing of a sentient animal at a fraction of its natural lifespan. Best of all is locally-produced vegetables.

@blutygar

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomYeeha I'm gonna say this, but carnivores and omnivores in the wild don't care if they cut a fraction of their prays natural lifespan, so who cares.

@cloudshifter

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomYeeha That is not true. Firstly, emssions from burps are just like the rain cycle, it ultimately returns back to plants and back into the animals. 2nd The water that is being used is not edible water for humans, it's the majority of water which is called green water. Thridly, the land that is being used which is about 2/3 in the US is unsuitable for plant farming. Plants need very delicate and specific climate and earth conditions to grow. (Bonus): Almond production consume more clean edible to humans water than an entire city which have been a major problem to some states. In addition, you take antibiotic as well, they are supposed to keep an animal from becoming sick and dying. It's in our very own healthcare. Lastly, eating vegetables is not a bad thing but you need to also eat meat atleast once per week along with fish to remain healthy. Food Supplements are useful but are too expensive and also cause as much damage to the environment. There is ancient Greek saying "παν μέτρον άριστον". Do everything in a measure / inbalance. I am not saying to change your diet or anything, just some food for thought.

@laughatdarkness1286

2 жыл бұрын

Im a vegetarian for environmental reasons and bc im lazy. Its too much effort to constantly look into where my meat comes from. Also the environment stresses me out and its a way to make me feel a little better lol

I've mostly heard negative things about NFT's. About how they harm the environment and how people use them to steal art. 🛑Edit: Please don't shoot the messenger. Go after the person making the message. I only said what I've heard and read.

@UltimatePerfection

3 жыл бұрын

Positive thing about NFT: you can get veeeeery rich off NFTs. The environmental impact? Let our grandchildren worry about it.

@derainbo349

3 жыл бұрын

How does it affect the environment?

@PeppermintGentleman

3 жыл бұрын

@@derainbo349 There are timecodes in the description for this video if you want to skip around for a longer answer but the tldr is that this exchange of artificial ownership operates on the same principles of cryptocurrency but with none of the "reward" of the currency. The "ownership" of this means nothing in any way but still needs all the computer processing power used to back it and its transaction. So, we're just chugging more carbon into the atmosphere for literally no reason to say we "own" a gif of a Doritos bag driving a sports car or whatever. This explanation is also not mentioning the fact that the value of the crypotcurrency goes up with interest and exchange of it. To make or "mint" an NFT to even begin trying to sell it, you have to buy it with the cryptocurrency. It's all just a massive inflation/laundering scheme for crypto and the people who already possess the currency.

@beepboop7345

3 жыл бұрын

@Jagielski Gaming I'm not even going to bother with the let our grandchildren bit cause if your that flippant about something as large and all encompassing as the environment then it shows that you clearly are to far off to care. As for the money do you sincerely believe that everyone getting into nfts are gonna become rich cause that very much isnt the case. All of these big sales going on involve artists that are already huge to begin with or are often familiar with this scene. The fact that your pushing this hard for nfts on other people's comments as well with such unrealistic promises gives off serious mlm vibes. Its especially ironic considering how the video itself mentions nft people acting almost cult like lmao

@yourah3

3 жыл бұрын

@@derainbo349 its about the same power consumption of a few days of 3d rendering, people complaining about environmental concerns are crabs in a bucket/have ulterior motives/are repeating things theyve heard without doing any research. Andrew price(blender guru) has a youtube video where he breaks down the environmental impact, its insignificant

I think I mostly agree with this, but on the topic of meat: there’s a difference between necessities that hurt the environment and everything else. A lot of people including me have tried to be vegan or even vegetarian, but it makes us really sick. Trading cards of the real or digital sort aren’t really necessary. A better thing to put them up against would be other collectibles, or even fast fashion

@scribblecloud

3 жыл бұрын

im not vegan either (im just too picky to be) but unless its for another reason like a sickness or allergies or something it definitely does not make you sick, if it does youre not eating the right things

@FuzBrain

3 жыл бұрын

@@scribblecloud Turns out the "right things" are too expensive or something in my area. Tried to get protein and took vitamins but the last couple of times I tried I felt weak and nauseous for over a week. Similar things have happened to other people as well so I'm pretty sure it's not just a me thing

@pczb2692

3 жыл бұрын

@@FuzBrain Same here, I tried looking into vegan things a fee years ago and found a shop that sells just that in the capital of my state, but everything was 4x more expensive. It's just not accessible at all... :/

@TheDoomBlueShell

3 жыл бұрын

@@scribblecloud Most people are quite allergic to a vegan or vegetarian only diet and some bodies do not process protein from non-animal products, and you should never change what you eat suddenly without going to a nutritionist and allergist first, which makes it quite hard for people with lower income to transition without getting incredible sick in the process

@TomYeeha

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheDoomBlueShell It would be incredibly rare to be allergic to a vegan diet because there are literally thousands of edible plant foods and only a handful of the same animal products that people eat. Also everyone saying it's too expensive, you can tell they didn't really try because all the cheapest foods in the world are vegan - vegetables, lentils, pulses, rice etc. Countries eat more meat the richer they get.

I heard about how anyone can take for example your painting puppy and make a gif of it and sell it as an NFT and there is nothing you can do about it.

@mushroomcrepes4780

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, art has always been a huge risk of being stolen. NFTs are just an easier platform to do that.

@sddlol19

3 жыл бұрын

@@mushroomcrepes4780 So why the hell would artist want this to be reality?

@mushroomcrepes4780

3 жыл бұрын

@@sddlol19 💵💰 I do think its pretty cool when it's done right. There are collectables like virtual art, 3d models and more that are licensed by dc, marvel or whatever. I think it will be pretty cool once the technology gets better, to be owning virtual collectables that you can sell. Its cool to buy art for it to go up in value then sell it. Dunno how they will fix stolen art, guess a blacklist of the address or an ai to check the art before they tokenize it.

@lunamiku4166

3 жыл бұрын

@@mushroomcrepes4780 It's already hard to fix Art Theft. Heck even back in the old days they manage to replicate Mona Lisa and sell those frauds around (heck they manage to stole the Painting too and Mona Lisa Painting in the Museum might not even be the Original Piece) A lot of Artist already feels frustrated that their art gets stolen and be sold around some websites that they don't even know and most of the time they can't completely solve the theft that is happening. Pirated Movies, eBooks, Music and ect are all around the internet and no one can fully stop them from spreading around and not even Big Companies can fully stop this act of theft. *People would always find a loopholes for things and that's a Fact*

@Prajwal____

3 жыл бұрын

@@lunamiku4166 i have seen many artists struggling because of art theft, it looks like nobody cares about art theft there is no system build...

i dont buy the whole nft thing but god, some artists out there act like being broke in this field is a virtue or something, we barely have enough ways to monetize our work and here we are fighting over if you can be cool or hip if you sell your work with some weird developing technology. Its also hilarious how the defenders of nft are acting like they're not chasing that bag and pretending its for a bigger cause like bro

@EckosamaGhostTsushima

3 жыл бұрын

yeah i agree. i am extremely happy it was my boy beeple that got rich off nfts. its like we dont see our art as worth, when it is worth. nfts make you rich, and thats not bad.

@papasscooperiaworker3649

3 жыл бұрын

@@EckosamaGhostTsushima ?

@BombaJead

3 жыл бұрын

@@EckosamaGhostTsushima nfts make the already rich and or famous richer. Good luck turning a profit if you don't have a lot of clout already.

@EckosamaGhostTsushima

3 жыл бұрын

@@BombaJead beeple was not rich. he was just an artist

The whole 2nd Life prespective to justify the NFTs was the cringiest thing I've ever heard. They really think people are that dumb

@leonchi7796

3 жыл бұрын

_Well..._

@TheXavierfull

3 жыл бұрын

people are tho.

NFTs are a certificate of authenticity that only authenticates itself. I suppose the Microtransaction analogy is apt if you consider the idea that anyone who doesn't play that game will see no value in the DLC. Anyone who isn't already invested in Crypto has no use for NFTs because they won't be showing things off in the NFT space.

@Hibernial

3 жыл бұрын

So it’s just rehashed tech that in the crypto space is outdated already?

It's really hard to trust the "give power to the artists" point of NFT if there's a huge problem of people running around tokenizing random artist's work. If anything it just makes posting your digital artwork on the internet feel a lot more unsafe. I think art NFT would be a lot more solid if tech-bros were actively working with Clip studio art/Krita/Photoshop/etc. and give the option to create a token from the work file. You have a more secure way of preventing thief since a file with multiple layers and a lot of hours is going to be different then a file that just imported an image. I feel like a lot of issues with art NFT now is because of the lack of knowledge about how digital art works.

When it comes to the environment, one of the more prevalent points is actually that crypto was invented to be so wasteful from day one, when it didn't have to be (that is, if it were designed better, it just plain wouldn't be so wasteful.) We all do things that have a negative impact on the planet, and saying "well what are YOU doing to help?" doesn't address the endless gas being guzzled by cyrpto alone right now, *by it's intended design.* I mean hell, as digital artists we're literally using WAY more electricity than a traditional artist would to produce art, but I wouldn't say that the usage is highly disproportionate to the outcome product of what we make. While the energy costs for **just a single block of the blockchain** is freakin' unreal. This is the real issue about the environmental impact: the fact it's so disproportionate. The meat industry is an absolute abomination of pollution and disease, for sure, but that doesn't mean Crypto should just come along and drop it's problems onto the pile too. Imagine pointing at the factory dumping waste into the river and saying they must be stopped -- but hold on, just gotta dump a little in the river yourself first, one sec

@blueshark5072

3 жыл бұрын

You don't understand economics, the problem with energy consumption and nfts will be reduced due people innovating around the high cost of energy consumption by going towards renewable energy at the same time fiat currency such as the US dollar are backed up by oil which not only have an environmental risk but lack any incentive to be made more sustainable due to governments not having to worry about cost due to their monopoly on violence.

@jonathonchabluk5070

2 жыл бұрын

You literally don’t know what you’re talking about. The crypto space is actually going greener at a faster rate than conventional banking and data centres. PoW crypto has a high energy requirement, but Bitcoin doesn’t even have smart contracts, and Ethereum has already ditched PoW.

is it just me or does this remind anyone else of artists selling ''adoptables'' and rights to furry ''species'' ?

Fantastic video Toniko. The way everyone responded to NFTs really annoyed me. Very few people on either side actually did proper research and understood what they were talking about. Glad to see you actually go in depth on what it is, and how you feel about it.

I'm not going into NFTs myself because its no value to me financially + being a traditional artist. (Yes i prioritize money with my work sometimes. Though i have projects i have an emotional attachment to.) But really irks me are the big artists that act all high and mighty about the environment then turn around stating "these NFT artist should die! They deserve death." Then getting upset that smaller artists call them out on that toxic behavior. That to me screams entitlement rather than actually caring for the environment or someones well being

@shatayu14

2 жыл бұрын

A traditional piece of art can be made an NFT as well.

@SunsAnimationDump

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's rude and very unprofessional, but mean words on the internet hold no water compared to people actively choosing to directly harm the environment with their actions.

@lizotakuartist5117

2 жыл бұрын

@@SunsAnimationDump I agree tbh

I remember when popular artists on Twitter were privatizing their accounts because of the tokenizedtweets twitter and all the other NFT bots tokenizing the artists' posts and making money off of the tokenization, aka art theft.

Rich people when they see a digital artwork: what a garbage Rich people when they see digital artwork that has a bunch of encrypted data: TAKE MY 70 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

When it comes to making money selling art in NFTs is like selling art anywhere else digital or physical. If you have no following/base/marketing you won't sell.

I think there's too much money (and speculative earnings) for us to ever get rid of NFT. Especially with the new legislations on the sale of traditional Fine Art pushing a lot of the money-laundering onto NFTs. The genie is out of the bottle, there's no putting it back.

With the virtual gallery thing, it kinda reminds me of Animal Jam Masterpieces. They're art that you can make in game, and people will sell them in game. When you make one there is only one version of it and you can hang it in your 'den'. You can create another version of it if you have the save file, but it costs in game currency to create an piece that you can save in game and hang.

@scribblecloud

3 жыл бұрын

lmao thats great, i used to just make a bunch of copies of one art in the game, sell all those, and then make even more copies for the money off that, to try and earn diamonds lol

I nearly had a heart attack seeing the title. I didn't read the full thing and only saw "NFT and Cryptoart" and went "OH NO NOT TONIKO"

NFT is no joke and you ain’t FOOLIN’

Really loved your open ended criticism. And as you said you had this dillema for a month. You're not alone man. Literally my last month was lost in this dread. And somewhat FOMO. I must say, whatever decision we make we are descovering an essence of ourselves be it liberal or conservative and that as an artist is very valuable resource. Though we cannot deny the importance of money. But we can definitely internalise this idea of how much and what are we as an artist with that amount. So, if NFT is for money be it. Those who work in darkness, the lone wolfs, the originals they will always shine when the right moment will strike. And I personally believe they are also not the one looking after this shine to arrive. They make art to art. Let's appreciate this wonderful community.

Great video! A lot of my friends have been taking part and I have serious FMO. My art reflects the environment and protecting the environment is the main drive in my art. I won't be taking part until this is addressed in NFTs, despite the money I may be missing out on.

Or...Hear me out...Just buy the art from the artist. You know commissions to directly pay said artist? No? Okay I'll take my leave.

The thing about this I don't get is that you "own" the token but all you need to do is right click and Save Image As... It's not like a piece of traditional art in a museum because digital copies are identical 🤷 also I heard that a bunch of really expensive ones are disappearing and the links are dead now

@Sammysapphira

3 жыл бұрын

Why by the Mona Lisa when you can just Google it and save it and print it out Your argument is terrible.

@inhuman_human6790

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sammysapphira girl relax it’s not that deep 🤣🤣🤣

@SheepUndefined

3 жыл бұрын

​@@Sammysapphira Because the printed version is in a different medium to the original? If the original was a digital piece that was made into a print, that'd be a valid argument, but part of the value of a painting lies in the quality of canvas used, as well as the fact that it was painted.

@inhuman_human6790

3 жыл бұрын

@@SheepUndefined dude don’t stress yourself trying to explain it to her...or explain at all lol. I know you’re trying to clear it up but...just done lol😂 like I said...it’s really not that deep. Keep it simple

@SheepUndefined

3 жыл бұрын

​@@inhuman_human6790 I'm not stressing about it, and if someone else comes across this and is similarly confused as them, then maybe my comment will be helpful to that person. Also I'm bored af and it killed a few minutes.

I don't think its fair to call out people for being a "hypocrite" because they're against NFT's but also partake in meat consumption or not adopting a green lifestyle. Not everyone has the privilege to adopt a green lifestyle as it costs money and requires education which a lot of people do not have access to especially in poor countries. As a result, people will have no choice but to partake in something that may not be environmentally friendly, but they lack the education to know better, and/or it's the only thing that they can afford to do. And as of now, green alternatives for things like meat consumption are still limited and costly, although it has been improving recently which we hope should improve to the point where everyone has access to it someday and everyone can start to adopt a green lifestyle.

@Shrimpcake

3 жыл бұрын

I strongly agree with this. At least by not getting into NFTs, I'm not participating into the already growing problem. It's something I can actually avoid as it's not a necessity like riding a car or taking a flight (as people often bring this up in NFT environmental discussions).

@manuelmanes829

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shrimpcake Yes, exactly!

@monster3339

3 жыл бұрын

absolutely. honestly? i think the thing thats most ridiculous about that criticism is that its a meaningless "gotcha!!!" and nothing more like? are the people who ARE getting into NFTs all vegans? no, of course not. a non-vegan person who makes NFTs is still going to be doing more environmental harm than a non-vegan who doesnt. hell, lets get into the animal agriculture conversation for a brief moment. i was vegan for 11 years (had to stop for health reasons a few years back. id still like to try it again someday if im eventually able to tho), and even vegans cant claim "purity" irt their carbon footprint, ethics, etc. some products are easier to avoid than others. some vegan products still cause significant harm because of how/where theyre harvested and the abuse/exploitation the workers harvesting it suffer through (fuck that). some people are going to have a harder time accessing/avoiding certain things than others (for various reasons, including financially). its impossible to truly "do no harm" no matter how extreme your approach to veganism is. but thats not the POINT of it. the point is harm REDUCTION. at the end of the day, the person producing NFTs is contributing to a source of environmental harm that is 100% avoidable. diets and nutrition are complicated. the environmental cost of the ways we transport people (and things) is complicated. so many "green" discussions involve our way of life and our health and classism and ableism etc etc etc. theyre highly nuanced topics. but NFTs? totally unnecessary. nobody is relying on NFTs to live. its an entirely unnecessary system with an environmental cost that is 100% unavoidable, and the average person really isnt a hypocrite for calling that out. sorry if this is long-winded and poorly worded. im tired and shouldve been asleep long ago, but i saw this and got really irked by that part of the video

@monster3339

3 жыл бұрын

also realizing in hindsight im kinda just rewording a lot of whats already been said here, buuuuuuut... oops.

@manuelmanes829

3 жыл бұрын

@@monster3339 True. I'm from the Philippines, and our country is one of the most affected by climate change and global warming. People die from the 20 typhoons that hit us every year and the poor communities are the ones most affected. Typhoons are getting worse here because of climate change. The average family here does not have the financial resources to adopt a green lifestyle. Are we supposed to be hypocrites if we want to fight climate change when people are literally dying from natural catastrophes that got worse due to carbon emissions from countries like US and China?

This is all about money at the end of the day, people don't care about the environment. People want to get rich and this is an easy way. You can't convince poor people to stay poor.

I really appreciate your honestly. This video is helpful!

I have very similar opinions and thoughts on the matter, and I thank you for going through the effort to research and explain NFTs, and weighing the pros and cons, and going through what your own experience tells you in this matter.

Great work u r doing that was running during the talk. Agree in general with your take. I didn't think of making available for sale any of my work until the NFT craze came along. Sold a few here/there, though happily retired and do the art for my Zen-time and not for $ake.

A very balanced analysis on the matter. Great work!

Thank you for not just belting out the same criticism and condemning artists for being in it This is a genuinely good video that explains it very well

im really glad you're talking about this. i've already said my piece at ergojosh's video but i won't be getting into it since i enjoy trad + digi art together. even tho im really in need of cash right now to keep my family afloat this pandemic, i thankfully haven't sold my soul into things i dislike/ find uncomfortable drawing and even this nft art. i also enjoy selling into conventions and seeing that precious interaction with my "fans" and customers. its something i don't see thru the tech wall. i have friends into it but they seem like intelligent people and thought this through. so i leave them to it.

17:20 Ramon lmaoo I ended up unfollowing him on Twitter tbh Nothing against people "chasing the bag", I just don't want my TL to turn into some sort of crypto market lol

@GhostedbyHer

3 жыл бұрын

im so disappointed, he was my idol...

I definitely saw dollar signs when I first heard of NFTs, but the more I learned, the more disappointed I became. This video sums it up pretty well!

This was very interesting, it was just the first discussion that highlighted both sides in a clear way.

Me, who isn't a part of any art community, despite being an artist:

18:48 yeah honestly if I get into this, im going to be honest, its taking advantage of people. The art that makes money being an NFT does not deserve that kind of money, if I do it i would aknowedge this. 23:45 im gonna have to say it doesnt. I might in the short term but it seems like a gamble if it did. Like, essentially one goal I have right now is just to prove that I can make money doing something I want to do... I think I can say that I technically havnt made a cent doing something I genuinely want to do, like creating art. So ive been really wanting to get paid, just so I know it is possible for it to be a job for me. The problem is that this way seems like its taking advantage of people, and its a gamble, so I dont know if its the right way to, I guess prove that to myself.

Personally one of those people for NFTs but not for artist trading cards that it's being used for. I have seen interesting ideas of using NFTs for things like property records so you could look up what the average water cost over the past 4 years a building had before you buy it as well as a few other things in the scene and it's cool it's being tested in proof of concepts but that's not something being used yet. As for artists for NFTs but against putting a big environmental footprint like seriously there are other cryptocoins with smart contracts to make NFTs (Like soon Polkadot) that don't currently use PoW mining so why don't you use your audience to popularize these coins instead of ETH cause if the notion of environmental impact is important to you then don't use ETH as your primary market till it DOES make the switch to PoS mining you legit don't have an excuse for that other then trying to hop on one of the big 3 coins. As for environmental impact though I've seen research all over the place including the most popular one saying it uses energy amounting to a country also having an article from the same university saying most mining is done with something like 74.1% renewable energy to which whenever this gets pointed out the goal post is moved to. "Well that energy could be used elsewhere" true but now your missing the point.

I'm glad you made this video! You really explained it well and it's great to hear from a professional artist. It's personally kind of disappointing to see artists I like participate in this since I know they're well off and have a large following. Idk sounds very scammy and greedy in general just as the observing fan of these artists. Just seems like we're headed into a future where there's going to be less sharing of art and growing the community and we'll be charged to look at art. The environmental impact is a big deal, but for me its the idea of greed coming from these artists that are well enough off that really makes me not like the NFT concept. I monetarily support artists I like and just dont see what the value is for me to bid on on art from an artist I like. I'd rather just commission the artist I like

This opinion is well grounded ^^ Thank you for mentioning doing actual work on art being more important. Blender Guru (who doesn't plan NFTs thankfully) did admit in a recent podcast that rendering 3D overnight with two RTX2080s and eating beef is equally bad, if not worse... but advised against joining the bandwagon anyway. ducky3d on the other hand...

@DarthBiomech

3 жыл бұрын

I've never understood that defence of "but X is just as bad or worse!" It's like confronting a guy who burns a fuel truck worth of oil on the street as an art stunt, and he retorts "but I bet you own a car, eh, eeeeeh? Don't dare criticize me, you hypocrite!"

@EckosamaGhostTsushima

3 жыл бұрын

i dont know, for me driving a car is equally bad. glad we're switching to electric

@MrDezokokotar

3 жыл бұрын

@@DarthBiomech Interesting analogy. However douchy that retort may sound, what do you think is actually wrong with it? Do you mean that the latter (owning a car) has enough utility for it to be worth it in exchange for the enviromental damage it causes whereas the art stunt does not? Because if so, i dont see how that relates to NFTs vs. lets say 3D rendering. Both can have a lot of utility for the person doing it (making money) and as such, doing one while criticizing the other is just hypocrisy. Neither is better or worse.

@DarthBiomech

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrDezokokotar Except that 3d rendering is not done by a person for shit and giggles, it's _a product_ that can be _used_ in a hollywood film, or in a youtube video, or somewhere else. NFTs, on the other hand, are not a product, or a resource, they're virtual collectibles that you can do absolutely nothing with except only exactly three things: buy, sell, brag about "owning" them. How's that "a lot of utility" I have no idea, when you buy NFTs you aren't even buying copyrights to the thing you bought, you can't legally use the actual content your NFT links to. Thankfully. Else the whole lot of the bots stealing people's hard work to mint would instantly become much *MUCH* uglier.

@MrDezokokotar

3 жыл бұрын

@@DarthBiomech Fair enough points. However the utility i was talking about is simply making money. Thats what its all about in the end - whether its selling a NFT or a 3D render. Sure, the render could be used in a movie and bring joy to many people that way. Or it could be used as some concept for a advertising company and noone in the public will ever see it. Still, the artist makes money and thats sometimes good enough reason to do it - people have to eat after all. In that sense making money off of a NTF sale or a render could be equally valid.

It is hard not to have FOMO with this insane craze going on.

Woah, you really did your homework. Thanks for the informational vid!

Informative and thoughtful video, thanks!

Great video!! Really liked hearing your opinions, and was cool how you gave a pretty comprehensive look at the whole topic for those who don't know anything about it. I really agree with pretty much everything you said. As a stock trader, I super agree with the "pyramid scheme" and FOMO parts. A lot of what's going on is just typical pump n dump mentality, and manipulating people into it by making them feel FOMO. I imagine the art community is one that would be less familiar with trading and the market than others, and also tend to be a community that might be less financially well off, so they seem like a prime target for this kind of pump n dump targetting. I imagine much of the trading that is going on is done by traders trying to make money, not art collectors or artists who actually find hundreds or thousands of dollars in value in some 2d pixel art. (Seeing that "French art" pixel art piece at 9:43 having a current bid price of 36 ETH was actually maddening, you could make that in 1 minute. But you know what, the last person to hold on to it may end up having wasted $60k+ buying that if the bubble pops and no one else wants to buy it off of them). Anyway, thanks for making such a good video, with good research and covering both arguments for and against, and logical arguments and criticism on both sides. I agree with your conclusions, the world of crypto and NFT is still way up in the air, we have no idea how things will turn out; cryptos can change, ETH can change, NFT can change, the government's laws and what rights you may have when owning a NFT may change, etc. If ETH dies then all your NFTs are basically dead and you lose all your money, etc. If there is a glitch found where ETH is no longer considered secure, then it and NFT using ETH dies, etc. I also had no idea that 1 NFT transaction could burn so much energy, that is ridiculous. I was going to say it would be fine if we used renewable energy, but even if the energy burned was 90% clean, the remaining 10% is still stupidly high. If you want to support artists, instead of buying a piece of data that you can only either trade or display in a virtual gallery for thousands of dollars, why not pay an artist thousands for a special animation, very high quality art commission, etc. You would be helping to increase the value of art in the eyes of the world and normalizing paying high amounts of money for the creation of something that took many years of hard work, experience, and skill to create. It's something tangible that you would actually own or have some part in the creation process, since you get credited for the commission. And doing so would also not disproportionately only benefit those who are already big or rich artists.

Thanks for explaining this! I was going crazy trying to understand lol

Subbed. Love your values and art.

Very well spoken. A solid discussion of the subject.

I saw an article where a newly wed couple had NFT rings. Like wtf, not even real but just something not real. I am for digital artist to make mooney but when theft is involved, and that bizarre stuff like a rotating cube get like 20k in price, I found it really ridiculous.

The idea of NFTs is simply fantastic, however what I care is to sell the NFT, not how much impact has. The problem is, because of NFTs have got popular, now it is difficult to get recognised and have people who buy it. (Can you make a video of how to sell art?)

Even usual art gallery sale would be a gold rush for any digital artist. Let’s head there. Saatci art (online gallery) sells art pieces for thousands of dollars regularly, whereas digital artists get just tens of dollars for their commissions

Such an amazing video, and all the stuff properly arranged.. thanks for making and posting all the info ! totally superb :) Bad or Good, depends upon thinking and position you are and why you doing it if its reasonable.. I want to do it just to get out of the debt circle.. but anyways it still a reason again - valid or not its upto observance while on the opposite site it won't look good.. But what it depends on is only on the Money $$$$ so this is the only thing its making it important, otherwise it would not stay or happen !

It would be better if twitter and other sites integrate these systems within their products so that the person posting art and such can have some piece of mind.

@EckosamaGhostTsushima

3 жыл бұрын

alot of people dont know how nfts work because they dont know how crypto works, but i guess thats how the world works. if you know the crypto space you would know dorsey would implement that right away if he had everything lined up. but he actually wants to get crypto integrated first. he has already done so with other apps. safe to say nft will be coming to square way before it comes to twitter. nfts are like the wild west when it comes to digital integration with art, and the only absolute way to protect yourself from theft is to sell your work as nfts yourself. the whole controversy happened because an actual artist sold his original himself. i follow beeples story. but because it was so much money, it became big news.

@pup4301

3 жыл бұрын

@@EckosamaGhostTsushima This new infursturct should not be considered a form of making money, though it is, but instead a digital receipt that gains you money and ownership of your work. A true receipt of ownership that could become a standard. The creators of NFTs did this as a way to force the hand of the people and to change the way digital rights are constructed. Companies could uses NFTs for more than art but also a license of encryption where you own partial rights to anything like a game or car. It will just add value to your game and allow you to sell it off to other people when digtal goods are no longer being sold a.k.a game companies. It will be like a digital game stop (stock). All we need is the world to turn to nuclear fuel.

@pup4301

3 жыл бұрын

@Nobody comments are not funny you troglodyte Yes.

Hey! This was a great explenation thx!

Good detailed analysis. I think the utility of NFTs/crypto art would be much higher if they can be used like virtual skins or virtual art pieces in a game like setting like Roblox or Fortnite, but unfortunately we're not there yet. I definitely agree there's a ton of moving parts to this world

@therealjahovasthickness

3 жыл бұрын

We are. Sandbox, gala games, ENJ, wax, anything Litterally anything this video is just shitting on eth based NFT platforms because eth is just dog ass. There are other platforms that consume about as much energy as taking a Snapchat.

The best thing to do for the environment is start using public transport first and foremost. It will far outweigh ANYTHING you could do as an individual to save to environment. Second most would be lower consumption of good and repair don’t replace. Third most important is try to buy and shop local to reduce transportation emissions.

Good discussions! You've covered many sides of it.

as much as I agree with your points, the sudden meat pull up is a bit out of pocket, and very first world, respectfully from someone who lives in a 3rd world country with a lot of dietary issues (sensory issues to food and anemia) and is an artist yes, the meat industry is terrible, having a lot of animals being mistreated and usually a large portion of POC/mignrant workers working in terrible conditions, it is bad for the environment when done on the usual large factory scale that's bred in the curent world, most food being wasted because people can't even afford it, food waste being one of the biggest issues worldwide causing methane gas that's just as bad, you talk about this in a very individual person issue way despite it being far more systematic. shaming people for what they eat is not equal to people being against nfts but not doing big scales to help the environment. not everyone can save the planet perfectly but we should try to do what we can without sacraficing ourselves. here in other countries meat is a luxury and some used for cultural reasons, not to mention not everyone can go for a vegan/vegetarian, a real-life example is me growing up hardly ever eating meat and a good portion of my diet being vegetarian (lots of eggs, lotta iron), I've been admitted to the hospital multiple times for malnutrition because of this even with suplemments until I started eating more meat, there exists people who have it far worse than me who cant take supplements due to medical conditions I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong please just be more mindful of what you're saying :) i respect you as an artist and a person so aknowalging this part of the conversation while making your standpoint is appriciated

@TonikoPantoja

3 жыл бұрын

That is fair and I do admit that bringing the meat industry without including living circumstances is a stretch. I also could have brought up the arguments of carbon costs of fiat and such.

@TomYeeha

3 жыл бұрын

yeah it is first world, because the first world consumes the majority of the meat which is what is causing the environmental problems. The impact of meat consumption will hit third-world countries much harder than first-world, so it absolutely should be brought up and everyone who CAN go plant-based right now but isn't, should be held to account and never be allowed to forget the impact they're having.

@stellardisposal

3 жыл бұрын

@@TomYeeha isnt it more of the system of how the meat is produced more than the people who do consume it, as much as supply and demand does change how the system is (and i agree, enough people do it the less there will be production of it=less carbon footprint) in the first world theres also minorities that eat meat because of culture and preservation, of it usually sustainably gotten by hunting it themselves(and i hope that's what you're getting at because you seem like you understand the issue well too) And your argument really seems to come from more from the fact people domt usually know where their food comes from or how it's produced, and i agree, the main issue is that people dont know how they get their food and where they put their money, that means becoming aware of where it comes from so you can give what you have to people who are trying to do the right thing I agree that theres a responsibility for people to eat sustainably but there has to be thought for smaller local meat producers that arent doing it on the ozone ripping scale that factory systems do The issue is more of feeding the monopoly of cheap fast foods, so to say its ok to eat meat if you can get it from a sustainable source which usually is more expensive, sometimes not but a great alternative would be fish! Much more easy to be sustainable than red meat (yes, over fishing is also an issue on wildlife, you have to also delve into reserch to find good sources, or take up the hobby and go fishing) and the only exclusion to that is people who need it because their bodies cant do so Because the main issue isnt people's eating habits, it's the monopoly and this rouge capitalism we have as a whole, it's hard to get people on one side or another because of the issue when they're fully able to go plant base or atleast vegetarian/pescatarian, as much as there is a climate emergency, the general agriculture emissions about 16% according to WRI of 2020 also still come the same from plant based items like rice, 16 is a big number, yes but that number will much more be affected by knowing where your food comes from and acting accordingly rather than just eating plant based without knowing where it's from and we havent gotten to the consumption of power to send plant based items that are out of season, but i wont continue to delve into power consumption too much because it's not the main topic of the conversation which also stems from not knowing where your food comes from, again The issue isnt of choice on what you eat is, yes partially individual, please be aware of what you eat for the love of god, it's also much more systematic, and the best thing people who can eat meat and can be able to go for a more sustainable diet, step by step is knowing where their produce comes from and make choice from there to be better, they shouldn't forget the responsibility they hold, but most people in these issues that make choices are adults (not many teens or kids being able to make choices on what they eat cause their parents choose for them) and can make choices that arent perfect, but better for their lifestyles and the environment, and respecting that part of them enough while educating them will pull them in the right direction. we're all tired and fucked up but thats the very least we can do when it comes to individual choices

@stellardisposal

3 жыл бұрын

@@TonikoPantoja thank you for being understanding about it :) its appriciated

This is getting more and more relevant in my art friends circles nowadays. I always value your opinion mann! 😁

Fantastic video, very balanced. Big respect for your honest and multi angle approach! Too many are: NFT bad or NFT good!

Surprise Rock and Rule fanart made me giddy.

I was gonna watch this yesterday cus i was like"when does he upload? Oh weekly. No monthly? Idk" then later"oh shit he uploaded time to watch my dude and that cute intro with bonbon :)

Awesome content! NFFT will be a great way to showcase NFT’s. you should explore it!

I really enjoyed this video! It really put a lot of perspecitive for me, thanks for sharing!!

I have nothing much to say about fomo, I'm not gonna do this with my art and I'm more furious about art theft. What I have to say though is that there is nothing, literally nothing to be ashamed about liking money, it's healthy and good not to be starwing and having a roof over your head. Your life is the no1 thing to you, it's fair, it's okay.

@HJ700

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah nothings wrong about liking money because we literally need it to survive- capitalism is an issue in its own right . The problem raised in the video is that NFTs are being pitched as this thing to get smaller artists a lot of money, but the biggest winners are always going to be the people who already have clout and already can afford to keep a roof over their head- i.e, those who would be doing perfectly fine if they stayed out of NFT. But these bigger artists / corporations are greedy so they want as much money as they can possibly get and will jump on the NFT bandwagon because they KNOW theyll make millions easily, and this overshadows smaller and possibly struggling artists

i rlly like how you included your thoughts on the disagreeing sides of artists for or against NFTs

The thumbnail is making me emotional... Is this how fans attached to Marvel characters felt when Civil War came out?

Honestly bruh I just want to create cool stuff and shere it with people, not this business nft stuff

What am I doing to reduce my own carbon footprint? Not getting into NFTs. Jokes aside, though, the environmental discussion in this video is just...honestly, it's based entirely on logical fallacy. People who say "don't change the subject" are demanding that you make an actual defense of the carbon footprint of NFTs, because saying that "other things are bad for the environment too" does nothing to address that. And frankly, the reason it's such a big issue with NFTs is because the impact they have is so massive compared to anything a person could do to change their emissions in their day-to-day lives. My personal qualm with NFTs, though, is more in regards to the theft. I've seen way more people upset about their art being stolen for NFTs than I have for actual artists getting into NFTs themselves, but maybe that's just the circles I run in. I also just don't really think we *should* try to make the digital art space more like the traditional art space. Making the value of art more widely accepted is a good thing, but the traditional art world...I'm not really convinced that that's what it's doing. The traditional art market and the NFT market are pretty much the same, just a group of insanely wealthy people deciding to elevate specific artists or works so that they can play a social game of exclusivity. It has very little to do with the value of art itself. Most people I know still think that modern art is literal trash, no matter how much it sells for. The way that we elevate art, traditional or digital, is by spreading knowledge of the craft itself. The time and effort it takes, the techniques employed, the meaning behind things. Ultimately I don't really disagree with anything in this video aside from downplaying the environmental factor, I'm just responding to the points raised on either side. But I really can't support the existence of NFTs, personally, when the only good they seem to be doing is making some people a lot of money.

I think being honest is what needed . Trying to earn money when the oppurtunity is there isnt wrong . But just sugarcoating is the wrong thing

If I want to make money off my art, I'll sell prints or make a tangible printed product, like a book or an album or something. NFT's are just another speculative market that will probably crash and burn once the bubble bursts. Just ask the Dutch about the time they tried this with Tulip bulbs. It never works out in the end.

I'm more concerned about how to protect my art now, haha 😄 I wouldn't mind getting into it but much later. I've been studying crypto for a long time. I've always wanted to look into and improve upon it.

I think that the “small artists will get screwed over while the big people will benefit” depend on the platform you are hosting your art on. For example, my friend made her NFT by herself with one person as the dev and make 24k. She never knew anything about NFTs. And it was this May, way after the “gold rush” was supposed to be “over.”

Dude meat is food CHEAP food theres people that can't have a enviromental friendly life bc of lack of money. NFT is people that already have money and just want even more :/

@MrDezokokotar

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you can compare NFT/crypto to many things that also cause environmental damage but comparing it to food production is completely unreasonable.

@TomYeeha

3 жыл бұрын

The cheapest foods are plants. Meat is only artificially cheap thanks to subsidies - that's your tax money the government gives to animal agriculture to 'prepay' for your meat, could be spent on actually improving your life and your country.

@aranchachu9659

3 жыл бұрын

@@TomYeeha yeah okey but it's still at the end the cheap thing in the supermarket right now in the world we are living. It could be the other way? Yes but it is not

@qazwsxedc562

3 жыл бұрын

@@aranchachu9659 no what their saying is that meat isn't cheep but the goverment uses subsidies to *TRICK* you into thinking it's cheap. You just pay the rest of the bill in taxes. If meat didn't have subsidies people would just buy less meat and have more money in their pockets. But since modern diets are so unnecessarily meat focused. then farmers and ranchers would be less profitable and shut down. Making the agriculture industry much smaller. Plus that doesn't inclued the horrible enviormental impact and energy usage the meat industry creates. Also the fact that meat is the least nutritious food we eat and too much leads to health problems. Basicaly Meat is the NTF of food. Regardless if you're rich or poor you don't need meat as much as you think you do.

@QWERTY-gp8fd

2 жыл бұрын

@@TomYeeha have u lived in mongolia? 1kg of potato cost more than 1kg of mutton. turns out not everyone can grow edible plants in a fucking desert.

I appreciate your views on this. Thank you for addressing both sides. So many folks in the Twitter sphere only want to address one side to twist things to fit their personal narrative, along with the endless virtue signalling. I've thought about getting into NFTs, and I just might in the future. I've got a lot to study on it and the blockchain in general. Yes I am a capitalist, as I own a business of my own. However, I want it to become more efficient, and iron out it's issues first before jumping full ahead into it. Your reasons are pretty much my same reasons for not readily jumping into crypto art. Until then, I'll just sit back and watch things.

NFT art is literally a scam. Buying an NFT isn't buying art, it's paying someone to have your password on a copy of some data that's necessarily available in the open. It provides no ownership rights, no copyright or license, and no control over other copies of that data in the open. They're not even necessarily unique, you can just go and mint one with any content you want, no matter who it belongs to. It's anything from money laundering to a pyramid scheme. That's not to say there won't be legitimate uses for the tech in the future, like trading ingame items for online games, but it's not there now.

I was a little bit nervous when I saw this video's Thumbnail, but I'm glad I took my time to watch, read and listen. I'm part of a local environmental activism group so I was refusing to read or listen to even why so much people were getting into it, I wasn't surprised to listen to the answer: capitalism. I wouldn't be so angry at these artists if they were honest that they just want to make money, I'd just unfollow and that's it, but as you said, they are promoting it like it is the water they need in the dessert to younger unexperienced artists who don't know how tokens work, they only see the bright side and they'll regret it later on.

Personally I don't care which side wins, I just want us to PLEASE STOP THE ARGUMENTS AND JUST MAKE MORE ART! A proof of authenticity is a nice idea, but it's not necessary. And yeah, signed, one-of-a-kind digital trading cards is a pretty good explanation. Why is a signed trading card valuable? It's just a card with some ink on it. The token combined with the art is the value. I (personally) expect this to be like a niche-er form of trading cards. Would someone who's not into cards care that your card is signed? Probably not. So why is it valuable? Answer: Because other people in this community care. The fake tokens thing is really bad, though. I atleast would like this to be figured out before I start buying them. (I'm not good enough to have anyone wanna buy my art yet)

13:55 that is defenitely the biggest aspect of this I dont get. But if you think about it, this is essentially piracy VS not pirating something. You could pirate stuff, for free, or you could pay for it. When it comes to stuff that can be shared online there isnt really a difference.

best video about NFT so far

i made one of my drawings an NFT a while ago before i knew about the controversies, I thought it was a really cool concept but found out about all the dark stuff about it. I haven't gotten any bids or anything and I don't feel comfortable promoting it. never getting that $85 minting fee back 🙃

ive been wondering about this 😂 i do art and animation commissions on fiverr and there have been buyers asking to buy something from me specifically for this and its so bizarre

thank you and sorry for the headaches