For the people saying it's the same as in PoE: I've found myself in maps still wearing items I found in early Acts to cover Resistances as one VERY common prime-example. When you find an upgrade in PoE it's exciting, at least for me. The concern I have with the current system that I'm talking about in the video is that when you find an upgrade in D4 you know that you will replace that very soon after equipping it which minimizes the enjoyment of character progression on the gearing front drastically.

@dakai4992

14 күн бұрын

So basically you couldn't be bothered to update your item beyond basic stats, because progression and itemization pre red maps is so shit it's practically meaningless. No need to upgrade, no interaction. Sounds actually somehow worse. For real. Except for SSF HC you are not gonna interact with any itemization outside of 1c trades until you hit your ilevel bases. You are not gonna craft, you are mostly not gonna interact with league mechanics, and so on until you hit your baseline level (probably red maps) where the time you invest in those mechanics is actually worth the outcome. That this is actually kinda common is kinda sad, no? Same thing with D4 according to the notes. Maybe it's a softcore problem, but the thing is we already had a different take with Harvest. You could for example start melee without feeling like shit. Buy the best base from the vendor, roll it a few times, even though you knew it would be obsolete (as in you could craft something better) in 15 minutes (or later in maps). The hook was that it just wasn't total ass (I hated the farm, but that's on me) and ressources were plentiful. It was also great for casuals, because they had an easily accessible and available crafting systems that let them upgrade at their leisure. So whenever they felt they needed an upgrade they could hit the farm. In contrast we have Necropolis which gives you an item editor, but everything around it is so dogshit that we have one of the worst leagues in poe history.

@anba9499

14 күн бұрын

can't make a dirt person not eat dirt

@Redrum_ZA

14 күн бұрын

I agree, it might take that excitement out of a drop that usually would have given that joyful jump since you get an upgrade for the slot every 10mins.

@DOTABaddie

13 күн бұрын

I kinda like it. It feels like it fixes finding tons of useless stuff and needing to scan it in detail to confirm its useless. It might have problems but I do feel like it's better than what we had

That's basically like every ARPG AND MMORPG... Nobody cares about low level items until you reach the point where levels take longer and the stats start to matter for the build. You can be level 50 in a few hours. I like how I don't need to waste time with item filtering until WT4.

I understand what you are saying here, I guess this is the 'cursed problem' Adam spoke about in the interview. However just because something seems pointless to engage with, it doesn't make it less fun, and my opinion is that ill still enjoy upgrading my gear, even if it happens on a faster basis, As ill still be getting the feeling of progression and power. As a side note i watcbed all the interviews with Devs and i feel it gave a good insight into things, we, as players dont always think about or reaslise

This whole video is basically why is d4 items progression like POE items progression, without saying it explicitly. Maybe make a video asking why POE's item progression is exactly like this as well??

How is it any different than PoE, you don't really engage with endgame crafting until you get to the right base, really not seeing the complaint here, NMD 41 will take the same or less time as t16 maps to hit.

@smenkinsa

14 күн бұрын

yea if ur playing trade, if ur playing ssf tho everything matters at all stages of the game

@rennac9666

14 күн бұрын

You don't look at a just one line on equipment in PoE and equip it if its a higher number (maybe life sometimes). Ghazzy's point is that is probably just 'feels' more meaningless because it doesn't have nuance until you get to NMD41. You can literally randomly equip any higher item power gear in d4 and get to NMD41. Should be pretty fun once you get there though.

@TwujStary69420

14 күн бұрын

You guys equip items in poe based on the item level or something? not based on stats on the item? that's weird cuz that's exactly how it works early in D4

@cbairforce4886

14 күн бұрын

I just meant that you don't really engage with the crafting system until later, honestly I'm not attached to leveling items and prefer the "slap it on" way of equipment while leveling because leveling is the last important part of the game.

@rennac9666

14 күн бұрын

@@cbairforce4886 Once youre out of campaign in PoE you can interact with crafting in a lot of different ways to make gear that lasts far into T16s. essence, rog, old veiled chaos, etc. If youre just buying stuff off trade, your buying items from people that do those methods. Right now D4 S4 gearing is basically "slap it on" until 925 ilvl. Ilvl matters too much in D4 imo.

Is POE not the same though? I mean from 1-90 most builds are solved (gear and passive wise) so your just picking up items on your filter/purchasing from trade and putting them on if they have marginal stat increases and your whole goal is to unlock the power of the atlas to make farming more efficient and have access to better loot/currency per hour. It feels like it should be similar, whether they get the timing and feel of it correct well ill be there to judge for myself as well, but I don't see how this should be that much of a concern as its sort of the norm for every arpg that runs seasonal refreshes I've played. There is always a point at which things start to "matter more" and its not usually until you unlock a certain level of efficiency. We'll see how it turns out, I haven't touched D4 since season 0 and this is the first time that the game is looking like what I had hoped for at launch lol Hope its a good experience for you as well ghazzy!

This is the same in PoE lol

@Redrum_ZA

14 күн бұрын

Not really, it's much more difficult to get the bis gear. They have more modifiers and getting them with higher tiers is also more difficult. The only way to achieve bis, is to engage in high investment crafting.

@skyler1469

14 күн бұрын

Soo just mirror crafting with extra steps​@@Redrum_ZA

@Tdiehl717

14 күн бұрын

@@Redrum_ZAdid you watch the video? He is talking about just the check mark to get from point A to point B to then farm Bis. This guys comment is accurate. Poe is definitely in the same that your check marking the whole way till your atlas is finished (for the most part. Not going to go into non atlas league starts)

I started playing d4 s3 and I was already feeling this way about legendary aspects. Having to imprint them every time I found a new upgrade was a bit of a chore. I was in town way more than I wanted to be. Being able to keep them in the codex will be nice, but I would rather it was more like a skull tree that I could setup separately from gear.

It's exactly the same in every ARPG, if you want to fix this problem then there should not be leveling in ARPG and everyone would start at lvl 100.

you play d3 until you get to their endgame and then d4 starts 👍

If I am to play a game where the ONLY thing new is a remake of the loot, I'll either continue playing POE or Last Epoch where both the craft is more fun (except for the necropolis) but also where I have a loot filters to hide the junk...

What im most scared of is finding an uber rare multi perf greater affix roll just to have tempering fail and brick my item

@markopamparelo9101

14 күн бұрын

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!😮

@MikkiZHskDK

14 күн бұрын

@@markopamparelo9101 indeeeeeeed!!

@michaelyohn5026

14 күн бұрын

It no longer fails

@MikkiZHskDK

14 күн бұрын

@@michaelyohn5026 you only have 5-6 attempts to temper an item with the desired stat you want dont you? and if you dont get that with high rolls its a bricked item i heard

I have no idea your point.. Poe is a race to red maps.. the game doesn't start for blasters til then.. or is it 90? I have no idea. I suck at Poe.

@boblogiii8869

14 күн бұрын

We can tell

It’s a mixed bag there are some good things but there’s still an awful lot they are doing wrong.

I dunno man. I didn't hear any of these concerns from the ccs that played the PTR.

so they should remove world tiers? and just make like poe just run through areas and get to maps...i feel thats exactly the same thing at the end of the day...get to 90+ and then you can start playing the endgame...idk, feels exactly the same for me.

@JesuslsASamurai

14 күн бұрын

lol we had the exact same thought i guess xD

@kmaguire7161

14 күн бұрын

Like should both games just start everyone at level 100 and forget about any sort of leveling and leveling gear progression. I'm not even sure what people want at this point. For me leveling I just as decent loot as I can without putting too much effort or gold into it until I can start getting 925 gear. Seems good enough to me.

@Earthboundmike

14 күн бұрын

I mean, world tiers got added in diablo 3 and I've hated them since. Half the reason why I replay diablo 2 is going through on normal, then nightmare, then grinding a bit to find some specific things to get through hell if I didn't find them. I should note, I did not rebuy diablo 2.

@dakai4992

14 күн бұрын

@@kmaguire7161Yeah, decent loot / crafting without having the feeling of wasting it.

Then ask ggg if they have any plans for diablo5 and lmk

exactly like D3 :D:D:D

I can't think of an arpg doing that part better than D2 with the low level runewords, getting stealth,spirit, leaf etc can carry you a lot through of the game difficulties, but it also add other balance issues with how powerful some are making others item slots options irrelevant. Last Epoch isn't bad but you need to balance early mats acquisition with crafting too much so that when a good base drop you can work on it. Referring to Adam Jackson interview I'm guessing this isn't something worth putting too much effort into if the idea is to streamline players journey to endgame and with leveling being so much faster now.

Don't actually care, I played Diablo since D1 and it is obvious they made D4 for consoles and casual gamers who probably never played D1 and D2. So of course many will defend D4. This update will not change the core of D4. There is a reason the game is zoomed in, the way skills are the UI is. All relates to the same, which none seems to be address. Look, I don't mind consoles, but regardless took blizzard 4 years to make and release D2 and that was a a true upgrade... now 11 years since D3 you would expect somewhat of a greater difference than D3 but nope, besides a darker tone. pretty much the same... the BASE game is expensive AF and they have the audacity to launch an expansion that is the same cost. Sorry, no matter what, I am done with D4, I expected they would fix D4, they did not, besides not going to install the game made for consoles, because I a PC. If I knew this I would not have purchased it. Damn zoomed gameplay

He’s literally saying what Poe does lmao

@boblogiii8869

14 күн бұрын

Not sure maybe you are watching a different video but the one I was watching was talking about a really bad RPG where they have no idea what they're doing...

@polowbornfly3862

14 күн бұрын

@@boblogiii8869 I get it you hate d4 don’t change the facts that he’s describing the same thing you do In Poe lol

@boblogiii8869

14 күн бұрын

@@polowbornfly3862 I don't hate D4 at all I hate what they've done to d4 and what they're continue to do with it..... they just don't have a clue what its sad

@polowbornfly3862

14 күн бұрын

@@boblogiii8869your not wrong but that point isn’t the point of my comment it’s the fact that Poe fundamentally is the exact same till red maps when it comes to the looting/crafting

A video in search of a purpose.

Poe xdd

Better question is the game even worth caring about his much

Im doing a slow thorough campaign run with my brother as its his first time playing through D4. Im getting popcorn and watching all those awesome cinamatics again. So not gonna worry about all these miner arpg efficiencies. Poe allthough great stil has the most tedious and repititive campaign 1-70 start atleast we getting different ways to level.

why is this video tagged POE lol click bate bullshit

You do realize that ONLY sacred items drop in WT3 and ONLY ancestral items in WT4 right?

@jf2849

14 күн бұрын

Unless they changed it sacreds still drop in wt4.

@Jsheesh

14 күн бұрын

@@jf2849 they 100% changed it. They spoke about this in the first campfire chat for season 4 a few months ago.

@nomad7537

10 күн бұрын

​@@jf2849no they don't anymore

Make like epoch so we can craft for free basically> those glyphs and runes are abundant as F.

@TheDravic

14 күн бұрын

Tempering recipes are permanent and infinite, you don't lose them. You will get tons of mats to Temper throughout your leveling process, in my opinion this isn't a problem. And Sacred items break down into double the salvage, while Ancestral into triple. This is a change after PTR. It's going to be a breeze

I really do not understand why anyone wastes their time with d4

@Dartagnion73

13 күн бұрын

I don't understand how people can enjoy something I don't enjoy...

@anba9499

12 күн бұрын

@@Dartagnion73 true, some people love playing in dirt

Cool

Just ask Adam why the game fucking sucks all this new bs is just bs empty bland pointless bullshit

@TheDravic

14 күн бұрын

Diablo 4 Season 4 will be really fun based on my PTR experiences, you're trippin' brah.

@boblogiii8869

14 күн бұрын

Yeah really fun lmao.... they clearly have no idea what they're doing....

@MrmuffLobsterknuckle

14 күн бұрын

@@TheDravic fun for who and how long 3 days ?till u realize everything to do in the game is pointless af sure it’s fun for a week new shit there is no substance to any of it why am I playing ? What’s my task ? What’s the mission ? No economy no currency trading is useless itemization is trash what’s the goal here? Hit 100 in 16 hrs fully geared in 2 or 3 days then what? Play pit for gear I don’t need? That no one will buy?? That’s worthless other than for gold ? What’s the incentive to push n grind for end game ? PvP ? Top the gr leaderboard? Tell me

@MrmuffLobsterknuckle

14 күн бұрын

@@TheDravic some explain the fucking game part of the game because I don’t see one.. I collect gear for what? I kill harder monsters for what? I’ll wait

@MrmuffLobsterknuckle

14 күн бұрын

@@TheDravic d3 task u know the mission blast content top the leaderboards that’s the goal number 1 … diablo2 itemization grind collect get rich sell trade PvP items have value time spend never felt useless or wasted chasing godly gear … d4 uh kill stuff u just kill stuff faster that’s it.. and if u play longer then 2 hrs a week u will get to this point of why am I still playing because there is literally nothing to do not like im hunting for a suped up shako with 4 greater stats to sell for 60 sojs to build a PvP char to hunt noobs down and ruin ppls days in PvP or clr300 pit in sub 2 for number 1 spot for the season wtf are we going man