"Star Wars is the only fandom where you can love all the movies and not be considered a real fan" Damn, that summarizes everything.

@Terapagos3000

4 жыл бұрын

That's untrue however. That becomes true with every huge community, which necessarily had to get all that fame in many years, and therefore there will be the old nostalgia products to praise. (It's not a fandom anyway, since it's praising the old and hating full heartedly any single new thing that came later)

@Stan-gd5jo

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, what do people have to do to be considered a real fan?

@bluepearl_22

4 жыл бұрын

@@Terapagos3000 Nope, that statement will be true until the first few generations of Star Wars fans dies off. They have literally taken this franchise hostage over the past 40 years by making it into something it never was.

@BossGaming-sf3ch

4 жыл бұрын

Glank then why do people like the mandalorian? Or rogue one?

@janhommer

4 жыл бұрын

There's also Game of Thrones, though... seriously Game of Thrones "fans" to me are officially worse than Star Wars "fans" now and that's saying something... XD

My favourite thing about Star Wars is how it's all about not giving into anger and hatred, but the fans are all angry and hateful.

@ef-5tornado495

3 жыл бұрын

@Glory to Croatia good man!

@darkninja2772

3 жыл бұрын

If you change the word "fans" to "haters" I will 100% agree with you. It's kind of insulting as a Star Wars fan to be called hateful for doing nothing wrong.....I mean not every fan is like this!

@albertthepeacock8020

3 жыл бұрын

Its also kind of crazy how 10 years ago as of this comment you'd get bullied out of the YT comment section for saying one good thing about the Prequels from the Prequel haters but fast forward to present day those same people will give you a pat on the back for overestimating the Prequels saying its the best of cinema has to offer while directing the Prequel hate to the Sequels

@Blue-Apple-fc9eo

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkninja2772 he probably didn’t mean it

@rmn070

2 жыл бұрын

Ironic…

George Lucas: Creates Star Wars. Star Wars Fans: Bullies George Lucas. George Lucas: Gives Star Wars to Disney. Star Wars Fans: gIvE iT BaCk tO GeOrGe!

@RandomSkyeRoses

3 жыл бұрын

The toxic fans deserve to have Star Wars ruined

@darkninja2772

3 жыл бұрын

Those people are the minority. A lot of fans liked the prequels and didn't insult George or any cast member! You can't generalize that!

@NaschAzure

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkninja2772 *majority

@tholidae

3 жыл бұрын

@@darkninja2772 stop lying you shrim punk

@noahlat8478

3 жыл бұрын

@Soon to Be Deleted, And I Don't Care and Jake Lloyd's life was ruined

I'm a Star Wars fan, but I don't like Star Wars. -Star Wars Fans

@jokingbr

4 жыл бұрын

True

@e1532

4 жыл бұрын

ikr

@django07000

4 жыл бұрын

It really be like that

@Zuriishere

4 жыл бұрын

Fax

@mrmemes3887

4 жыл бұрын

No people don’t like some starwars movies dumbass

The prequels are great. The originals are amazing. The sequels are fun. Honestly loved every single movie. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion as to what they like watching. If you don't like Star Wars, that's completely fine. If you love Star Wars, that's completely fine too. Bullying, however, is not okay. Ever.

@brandenmanuel2037

4 жыл бұрын

U need more likes

@randomgamer625

4 жыл бұрын

I love all Star Wars movies and last jedi is so far my favorite out of all of them

@marti3074

4 жыл бұрын

MUIZ you could of just said it less like that. Like a simple I don’t like or hate that move was enough

@cristianbarbosa6951

4 жыл бұрын

@@Stackali can a man just have an opinion jeez

@uaintevenvibin9168

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Stacks Yep, just another fucker who can’t respect someone’s opinion.

I'm done with the fandom. Forever, I'll be a fan but I no longer associate myself with the actual fandom itself. I can't take it anymore.

@tristanhartup4936

4 жыл бұрын

I'm with you on that one

@friedrice7876

4 жыл бұрын

You people actually have a brain unlike most

@muteddeer

3 жыл бұрын

after seeing the comments of bigots on their women’s day post, I completely agree.

@bradley8575

2 жыл бұрын

Amen F*ck this fandom I will always be a fan of this Franchise and like Everything in the Star Wars franchise al the Movies all the Tv Shows all the Video Games and all the Books and Comics but I will never like or be a part of the Star Wars Fandom they have lost their way they all have been taken over by the Sith not all of them many of them the toxic one the only good fans are only ones that are remained as Jedi knights.

@silverioabreu6370

2 жыл бұрын

I don't blame you there so toxic

Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans

@dark0ssx

4 жыл бұрын

@Snehil Shrey The toxic fans are people like you that will like/except any shit with the IP branding on it You enable the crap

@bretonfou7046

4 жыл бұрын

Noobius I’m sick and tired of that quote, what about The Mandalorian ? Do people hate that too ? Fans don’t like it when it’s shit, like TLJ. End of story.

@krzyszwojciech

4 жыл бұрын

People often use hyperbolic language, especially when they are passionate about something. I try to be understanding of that and cut to the essence of the meaning. "Eating shit and enabling crap" are charged phrases - and people using those should also understand they may hinder communication and/or persuasion about the point - but they have some merit to them.

@LoverLikeNoOther

4 жыл бұрын

Snehil Shrey your the definition of an idiot

@denizyeter4935

4 жыл бұрын

Man i have heared this statement for multiple times yet it is so true. I am a star wars fan myself but i don't hate anything star wars does. I know there are fans who are toxic. Though not to confuse with "disliking" things. I don't like the sequel triology but i don't hate them.

My biggest issue is how abusive the fandom is toward the cast, crew, and everyone involved. The same people who shit-talked George Lucas for years and made him wash his hands of it are now saying that they want to see his vision for the new trilogy. Also, when you factor in the amount of hate geared towards the cast of these movies even before the Internet became as huge as it is now, yeah, I don’t like associating with the fandom; the reputation it has I feel is very valid.

@HoundsBane

4 жыл бұрын

KLightningBolt Underrated Comment. This is the same fandom that bullied Jake Lloyd & Ahmed Best.

@imperial_crest6809

4 жыл бұрын

You know whats the irony? They want George Lucas back to do or fix the sequel trilogy but they seem to forget the fact their responsible for threatening George Lucas after the Prequel Trilogy which resulted him leaving Star Wars

@calebbarrick1983

4 жыл бұрын

FACTS bro. I totally understand not liking a movie, but a lot of Star Wars fans have crossed the line when it comes to bullying. I feel really bad for Kelly Marie Tran seeing as the bullying got so bad that she deleted her social media accounts. And then with the death threats that Rian Johnson got? The toxic fans are always looking for someone to blame for the divided community when most of it is their own fault.

@bluepearl_22

4 жыл бұрын

@@imperial_crest6809 Lucas' outlines for the sequels even parallels Luke's storyline in TLJ, yet people claim that this wasn't "their Luke". This franchise honestly deserves better.

@bengray6219

4 жыл бұрын

Don't complain about something because it could always be worse. A saying I live by. I love all of star wars and the cast and crew are the ones who make the magic happen.

“I’m a Star Wars fan, but I hate Episodes 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, Rogue One, Solo, The comics and videogames” - Star Wars Fandom

@ImTheReverse

4 жыл бұрын

Also Star Wars Fans: “You like Star Wars?!?!? You’re not a real fan..

@shaunbarbee2087

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the shows and the ewok movies...

@BVelky83

4 жыл бұрын

You got the order wrong! You’re not even a real fan

@sirglotzeur

4 жыл бұрын

Dont forget Rebels and Clone wars!

@BossGaming-sf3ch

4 жыл бұрын

Bearded Emperor please tell me this is satire. This is so untrue it's physically painful to look at.

They’re just extra for no reason, they claim “Disney ruined our childhood!” When really they ruined their own childhood.

@samjames6714

4 жыл бұрын

“Disney killed Star Wars”, um no Disney did the literal exact opposite of that by continuing the franchise, if the “fans” had their way it would be dead as hell

@namik0644

4 жыл бұрын

I honestly don't think anyone wanted sequels, the story was complete

@ef-5tornado495

3 жыл бұрын

@@namik0644 everyone I know wanted more movies because it was just the 6 main ones for 10 years

@minaminastheanimationfan7909

3 жыл бұрын

It wasn’t Disney that ruined Star Wars, it was the toxic fans.

@davidshockley3565

3 жыл бұрын

I don't like sequel trilogy but it made no sense but you're allowed to have your own opionion

I love them all. I don't care about the toxic fans anymore

@watermelonbanana1772

3 жыл бұрын

This is the way

@thatsabingo6695

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@jeremyanderson6789

3 жыл бұрын

I love toxic fans too?

@egontokessy1610

Жыл бұрын

Getting there.

@deshawnwinn9454

10 ай бұрын

Say it with me ya'll: "This is the way."

Apparently, Star Wars is one of the things you can't discuss with people, like religion, politics and how much you get paid. So strange.

@somegeekguy

4 жыл бұрын

OverlordDystroy lmaoooo facts

@dimetime99

4 жыл бұрын

Perfect!! That's exactly how it is!

@bluepearl_22

4 жыл бұрын

That's because the majority of the fanbase has elivated it to become a religion.

@ImTheReverse

4 жыл бұрын

@@bluepearl_22 yet those people only like 10% of it lol.

@maliantt

4 жыл бұрын

@@ImTheReverse You talking about people who say that only the movies are canon and that nothing else should be? Yeah, those people....

Said it many times: I will never give up on Star Wars, but I have utterly given up on Star Wars fans.

Hayden Christensen "it's the negatives that are usually the loudest , so dont think too much of it"

@micahwright5901

4 жыл бұрын

GTR BOY Darn liberals...

@caseybarrett8352

4 жыл бұрын

Micah Wright you have small pp

@micahwright5901

4 жыл бұрын

Casey Barrett But you still want it, don’t ya?

@felipecosta-kv2fx

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, hayden really said that?

@thatsabingo6695

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewbates3683 it’s not a competition but I’d say it’s equal because for some reason now people like the prequels.

"Young anakin was bullied so badly he had to leave school" He was bullied so badly he developed schizophrenia, never acted again and his mother was driven to suicide. Star Wars is the most toxic fandom, period.

@kevinnelson66

11 ай бұрын

Jake ended up in a mental ward on suicide watch for awhile.

@Isaacthebiggestmoviefan57

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I feel bad for Jake

I honestly dont get why people are so obsessed with hating something

@friedrice7876

4 жыл бұрын

Cause their iq is below -9

@nikolaibelinski3433

4 жыл бұрын

@@friedrice7876 and they like to hate everything they see in daily basis

@friedrice7876

4 жыл бұрын

@@nikolaibelinski3433 pretty much

@Jar_Jar_Binks194

4 жыл бұрын

You're a ducking shill think for yourself

@yachiyous9110

3 жыл бұрын

Well if star wars has taught me anything, it's that hate enables you to shoot lightning soo

Imagine gatekeeping what people can like in a fictional universe

@bluepearl_22

4 жыл бұрын

The way the OG fanbase treats this franchise is like being in a relationship with a narcissistic sociopath.

@HugeTheWarningFan

4 жыл бұрын

@@bluepearl_22 "The way the OG fanbase treats this franchise is like being in a relationship with a narcissistic sociopath." This again? Your exaggeration is limitless. Try taking the generalizations out of your every day curriculum. I'm part of the OG fanbase, yet I don't behave as such. I can question your opinion without you misconstruing my intent as an attack, right? If you find something you don't like, you can easily state such a thought without being belittled by me. If I think you're belittling me, I might jab back a little, give you what-for. But then again, I guess you aren't talking about me. I have been in a relationship with a narcissistic sociopath. But I guess I was strong enough to state my own opinion despite their antagonistic behavior getting the best of me. I understand it's hard, but I guess I simply disagree. Or haven't been around too many OG fans.

@friedrice7876

4 жыл бұрын

@@HugeTheWarningFan Why you writing novels out here Shut yo bitch ass up

@bubbachildsupport4535

3 жыл бұрын

Lance Lust yeah agree with valo no need to put your fucking essay in here no one is going to read dat shit shut yo bitch ass up

@mikemiller820

3 жыл бұрын

@@bubbachildsupport4535 lol and OG star wars fans are the toxic ones lmao Your hypocrisy is now complete.

There are Star Wars movies I don’t like, but I’m not gonna attack people who like those movies. It’s a movie. It’s not that big of a deal. And this is coming from someone who runs a Star Wars page on Instagram 😂

@intellectualhybrid2

4 жыл бұрын

That's the attitude we need around here, thanks for that

@nicholasleclerc1583

4 жыл бұрын

@PoisonedHive Not caring about things ? Not caring about your kind of movies going away, to get into the mindeset of these fans hating on the Disney movies, so as to empathize with them ?

@rigby117

4 жыл бұрын

Wish more people thought like this

@jonaskristiansen781

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasleclerc1583 Bullying people to suicide isn't the same as caring for things. Some people mistake passion for hate speech.

@HugeTheWarningFan

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonaskristiansen781 And hate speech should be legal, as it's censorship if it's jailed. I understand behaving badly is reprehensible, however if you're simply using the typed word, you shouldn't prescribe opinion and forums your own brand of medicine when dealing with such people. If someone is calling for an actor to kill themselves, said actor should be able to ridicule the bully for such displays of attitude, and then go about the day. I've been attacked online numerous times. I try to take it to heart as little as possible. I must not be privy to this bullying to actually take it into consideration past the written word. Because it's easy to shake your head and advise the cruelty without allowing it to lose control. Now with class mates of Jake Lloyd, there's clear indication the problem lies within the school system. It lacks discipline. But anyone who has gone through the American system knows. Possibly take a moment to detain the children who inflict said pain, and stop allowing negativity. Upon a person screaming derogatorily at another peer, this should be counseled. School normally doesn't plan for this. And if they do, it's lack of follow through is critical to curb. Usually, people aren't successful enough with moral aptitude to perform punishments. Instances of questioning one's own moral code can be misconstrued into bullying, though. I've been through this as well. Questioning authority comes with consequences, and is often placed into the same category as bullying. The moral fiber of America, and of other countries, isn't often very thoroughly protected. One person might be deemed morally reprehensible by the majority but is actually simply making statements allowed by the rights of a country...

I literally feel this way about Christianity. It’s not a fandom BUT if it were...I really like Jesus but his fans, man, they’re a tough crowd. 😆

@HoldenHardman

4 жыл бұрын

I literally had a whole spiel about that that I cut from the video. Comparing the same thing. I love Jesus...not always a big fan of his more vocal "supporters."

@ReporterRed

3 жыл бұрын

Huh... you know, as someone who loves Star Wars but has tried to cognitively separate it from the toxic fandom I hate, and as someone who is vehemently opposed to organized religion, which has bled into my overall perception of religion as a whole, this is actually a really interesting and eye opening metaphor/comparison you made. Thanks!

@AJ_Jingco

3 жыл бұрын

@@HoldenHardman Well the HATEFUL ones are the Protestants like Baptists, Seventh Day Adventists etc. But we Catholics are PRETTY CHILL except Traditional Catholics.

@authorbhattacharjee4957

3 жыл бұрын

I like Jesus But not his followers and their instruction manual ( although I do agree most the things written in the Bible except the you know "Yikes" ones)

@NaschAzure

3 жыл бұрын

@@AJ_Jingco yeah. My family is evangelical and they pretty much hate everything but the bible

I can't even say I like Force Awakens without getting attacked.

@ImTheReverse

4 жыл бұрын

HOW DARE YOU HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION?!?!?!?!?

@jaredhouseholder1979

4 жыл бұрын

Tell me about it. I loved the last Jedi. Can't we just love each other, of not all love star wars?

@jimmydcriket4086

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine saying it about the last Jedi or rise of Skywalker, I legit got told to leave a comment section once for defending tros

@mingQWERTY

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly, like I enjoyed Rise of Skywalker but I can't share it without getting flamed on by the toxic community.

@legogeneralgrievous4218

4 жыл бұрын

@@mingQWERTY sorry if a dislike notification appears I meant to like the comment

At this point I'm embarassed to be in any fandom at all. The lone enjoyment is the best enjoyment for me now. I guess that happens when you grow up or when you watch at things with a more mature attitude

@HugeTheWarningFan

4 жыл бұрын

Yep. I don't align myself with any fandom, really. I am loathe to even have friends, because they can be very temperamental. I have my bad days as well, but to attack someone for their own business is very much today's societal norm. One cannot be who they want to be without it.

@kylemorello4787

4 жыл бұрын

"Mature attitude" Ha! I laugh! 😂🤣😂🤣

@lapersianaperta

4 жыл бұрын

@@kylemorello4787 It means realizing screenwriters and producers don't really own fans anything, they do their job for money and hopely for passion too. It means also not really caring about who's mating with who in fiction like is relevant for your well-being. You can be satisfied or disappointed by a movie, but it is what it is

@kylemorello4787

4 жыл бұрын

@@lapersianaperta oh! You were referring to enjoying a work of art by yourself as mature! Sorry. I thought you were referring to the exact opposite of what you were talking about. The people who don't take what they can get and act entitled. Keep doing what you're doing. It is mature. And don't worry. For every bad apple in a fanbase, there's always a good fan who knows these movies don't belong to them, and them alone. You just have to look for them. Sorry for the confusion.

@kylemorello4787

4 жыл бұрын

I can delete that first comment if you want.

"I LOVE Star Wars, but I don't like Star Wars fans..." Truer words have never been uttered!

Starwars fans seem to be sorted in 4 categories. 1. Loves everything, digs deep into the series appreciates all the work 2. Fandom menace toxicity 3. Film goers that will only watch the films and complain it doesn’t make sense 4. Blame everything on the Mouse and Kennedy

@Mac14329

3 жыл бұрын

I aim to be in the number 1 category.

@calebcorrea7556

2 ай бұрын

This is pretty accurate but I feel like 2 and 4 are normally in the same category or their is a least a little bit of overlap. Also I know a lot of film goers that or people that only watch live action who understand the story pretty well, like obviously their are references they miss but I think Star Wars does a pretty good job of appealing to multiple different kinds of Star Wars fans.

I love the originals prequels and rogue one. Hate the sequels but if you like them more power to you. Like what you like and may the force be with you!

@HoldenHardman

4 жыл бұрын

May the Force be with you.

@evanj7195

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with everything that you said

@sarlacc66

4 жыл бұрын

Same !

@DarthVader-gq4ks

4 жыл бұрын

@@sarlacc66 I agree

@amoggers2961

4 жыл бұрын

OmG yOu LiKe ThE pReQuElS NoOoOoOb

--A History of Star Wars Fandom, from The Journals of the Whills Vol. 8, Issue 12, Pg. 9, Subheader 3-- 1977: Fans fall in love with Star Wars. 1978: Fans riot over the Holiday Special. 1980: Fans reject The Empire Strikes Back for its darker tone and controversial twist. 1983: Fans spew vitriol over Return of the Jedi and the Ewoks. 1984: Fans send out death threats over The Ewok Adventure. 1985: Fans take to the streets over The Battle for Endor. 1997: Fans go postal over the Special Editions. 1999: Fans kill everyone involved with The Phantom Menace. 2002: Fans hold a small town ransom over Attack of the Clones. 2005: Fans destroy half of Hollywood over Revenge of the Sith. 2008: Fans blow up Argentina in retaliation against The Clone Wars. 2015: Fans storm across Europe to stop The Force Awakens. 2016: Fans melt the polar ice caps to drown out Rogue One. 2017: Fans blot out all sunlight to hide The Last Jedi. 2018: Fans burn down all cinemas to silence Solo. 2019: Fans nuke Paris in protest of The Rise of Skywalker. 2020: Fans share cute pictures of Baby Yoda from The Mandalorian.

@samjames6714

4 жыл бұрын

iTs NoT a FiLm AnD iT hAs OriGiNaL tRiLoGy StOrmTrOoPErs So ItS gOoD

@mattwong5403

4 жыл бұрын

"But Rey is a mary sue. I know Anakin flew a starfighter into combat with no training and Baby Yoda can force heal and force choke, but it's only a problem when Rey is overpowered"

@ninjaked1265

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattwong5403 to be fair Baby Yoda is 50 years old

@MyNameIsBlank...

6 ай бұрын

Original Star Wars: wow cool movie Everything afterwards: sTaR wArS iS dEaD

Whenever someone says the fandom is awful, people always pipe up and say "not ALL the fans are awful!" Of course that's true, but it doesn't really matter. There is not a single Star Wars related thread or comment section on the internet that doesn't quickly devolve into sh*t slinging, ignorance and frustration. It's just inevitable. So while there are some respectful fans, the entity that is the Fandom itself is awful and toxic. Which is really sad.

@movieswithmatticus5469

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, there's even videos that AREN'T Star Wars related where it gets brought up.

@MyNameIsBlank...

7 ай бұрын

A fandom in denial of it's toxicity are the worst kind of fandom, they will never learn.

Daisy Ridley also got MASSIVE hate, she was forced to leave all social media, and she changed completely (at least publicly), if you watch her interviews for tfa and early ones for tlj she seems really positive, funny and genuinely happy, the ones for ros, are just rough, in most of the she’s very serious, and that makes me sad because she is amazing

@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722

Жыл бұрын

Daisy just do me favor and sell this fandom to so many Dragon Ball villains who are humanity haters like: Zamasu, Buu, Omega Shenron, Frieza, Cell, etc. I mean that is what the fandom wanted all this time, huh?? They would get their wish

Idk whats everybody's saying about the rise of skywalker, I was enjoying it.

@masztaarc

4 жыл бұрын

I liked it too, the only one I hate with a passion is The Last Jedi.

@triphlikesmemes1078

4 жыл бұрын

lol fam me too!

@ricardososa7534

4 жыл бұрын

Pretty fun movie experience

@irenevoutsa3653

4 жыл бұрын

True , and the last jedi is my favourite star wars movie I don't care what others say , I love it

@tripled2505

4 жыл бұрын

@@irenevoutsa3653 that's ur opinion and I respect it. I j didnt like it bc of the whole rose and finn relationship, luke disrespecting a ancient weapon, nothing rly happening in the movie the fact that they trusted DJ and hes literally the only reason y they lose, captain phasma dying, and that captains name. Like I hated her, even after she said bye to leia. The only time I considered her gud character was when she destroyed there ships even tho she could've done that earlier. The throne scene wasnt well choreographed bu ttg I accepted it and I enjoy how luke dies. But I j hate this film bc it does nothing to build on the plot besides Luke and snoke r dead

Star Wars fans have affected many people negatively. From the toxic spewing “Fandom Menace” to people who attack other fans for liking or disliking a movie on social media. The actor of Anakin in episode 1 has ended up in an asylum, the actor of Jar Jar nearly killed himself, racist slurs and other names have driven actors off social media. And when this new trilogy comes out, the minority who has the loudest voice in the Star Wars fandom restart the hate cycle. “We want George Lucas back!” Okay, so the man you hated and claimed “ruined” your childhood is now a saint and should make the new movies? He sold Star Wars because he knew the cycle that the fandom had gone through with the prequels would repeat, and I don’t blame him for selling the license. Toxic Star Wars fans sadly have the biggest and loudest voice on the internet, and with a fandom this large, it’s sad to see that.

@maliantt

4 жыл бұрын

As much as I REALLY hate the negativity towards star wars fans because of those toxic ones, it's true. Most hardcore fans are awful, but you should never consider everyone in the fandom that way.

@alexslusher16

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, can I just clarify that the Fandom Menace is not toxic. It's not what you think. We don't mind if people have an opinion or not. What we don't like is when Hollywood & the MSM attack fans for their opinions. They called Star Wars fans racist & sexist because they didn't like a Star Wars movie & we are just calling Hollywood & SJWs out when they do something stupid. Now am I calling you an SJW? No I'm not.you're free to have an opinion. The Fandom Menace is not bad. I should know because I'm apart of the Fandom Menace. A lot of the people I've interracted with are pretty cool. I'm even in a group chat with them & we have fun.

@hermes7330

4 жыл бұрын

The actor for young Skywalker had schizophrenia.

@hermes7330

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Slusher yeah isn’t the fandom menace made to fight against toxic fans? But now they are seen as the toxic fans because of the comments towards the sequels, the fans and the actors? I’m pretty sure it was made for the prequels but was then turned bad for the sequels.

@HugeTheWarningFan

4 жыл бұрын

“We want George Lucas back!” Okay, so the man you hated and claimed “ruined” your childhood is now a saint..." Are you using this as hyperbole, or do you personally know this as fact? I've noticed people making such statements and I often wonder if it is true, or a carpet statement.

Ya know, I used to be one of those hateful Star Wars fans myself, but it was videos like this that made me realize we should be much more accepting of all opinions of Star Wars. So thank you Holden for trying to make this fandom better!

In my opinion, the worst fans are the ones who say "Disney ruined Star Wars" or "Disney can't make good Star Wars movies". The reality is that Disney barely had anything to do with making them apart from distribution right and copyright protection. It's all Lucasfilm's doing. Same goes for all the exact same complaints I see on every single Star Wars video I've seen. "Boohoo, this one single minute is better than all of the sequel trilogy." "Boohoo, Vader died for nothing." "Boohoo, Ma-Rey Sue." "Boohoo, Rey stole the Skywalker name." "Boohoo, watching a dog poop is more entertaining than the sequel trilogy." Lather, rinse and repeat ad nauseam. The ridiculous amount of salt and deliberate hyperbole gets old fast. And it gets depressing just as fast.

@rustyshackleford6874

3 жыл бұрын

I really dislike a lot of things about the sequels tbh but these people are just completely hysterical. You can't tell me you think they are absolute trash with no redeeming features and the death of Star Wars blah blah, but that the prequels and all the hilarious shit in the EU (which I can still like despite having major problems with) were just all fine and dandy and expect to be taken seriously. They're just looking through rose tinted spectacles back to a time when they weren't utterly bitter yet and were still capable of enjoying things.

@joec7217

3 жыл бұрын

@@rustyshackleford6874 How ironic that most of the Star Wars fans are part of the Dark Side. They just constantly hate

@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722

Жыл бұрын

@@joec7217 I swear to god most metalheads are dark by default but never this dark. At least most of them are truly caring and believe heavy metal may not be their only world

@baloowailey6278

21 күн бұрын

They aren't original either. People made those same comments about the prequels too. "George Lucas ruined Star Wars" and "Better than the prequel trilogy" were all over KZread back in the early 10's. Worst part is, it's the prequel fans who are doing it now. Imagine being that ignorant.

Holden -- You should start a new video series: "Matt Reads Mean Comments from Star Wars Fans" ...

@yashabreslove8276

4 жыл бұрын

Turning a potentially incendiary reality of the feedback into content for the channel to defuse the tension? Brilliant.

@HoldenHardman

4 жыл бұрын

I love it! Maybe we will, lol

@hashtheduck

4 жыл бұрын

@@HoldenHardman Some day can you show him the clone wars show?

@bilbine5766

4 жыл бұрын

@@yashabreslove8276 stop trying to sound smart

@josephwood8274

4 жыл бұрын

@@yashabreslove8276 you would make a great writer for doctor who lmao

Star Wars. You will never find a more wretched fandom of hate and misery.

While Star Wars fandom is the biggest example of toxic fandom, they are not the only ones. Anime, Marvel, DC and Harry Potter fandom are also notorious for their abuse and viciousness, especially the former. The lesson here is that we should respect all opinions and we are allowed to watch anything we want and we should not be told we are wrong for watching it.

@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722

Жыл бұрын

What's worse than the Marvel Fanbase per se?? She Hulk's fanbase. Not kidding

People consider themselves “true” star wars fans but hate 2/3 of it lol.

@franchisefanatic4142

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a true fan. Love all of it

@yggdrasil2911

4 жыл бұрын

Franchise Fanatic yea same I love all of them

@Rounderyathecruel

3 жыл бұрын

@@yggdrasil2911 first of there is a difference between real Star Wars and Disney Star Wars. Real Star Wars was lead by George, and the story came from his heart, he cared about the story and characters, Disney Star Wars is a corporate dumpster fire. Therefore if someone hates the Disney shit then, and loves the real Star Wars they are a Star Wars fan, if someone hates real Star Wars, but sucks up to the corporate overlords than they are a Disney Star Wars fan. Get it?

@antidelusionalpeeps

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rounderyathecruel George Lucas made the prequels and yet it got tons and tons of hate, it has nothing to do with Disney taking the franchise. A lot of people only love the OT and they'll bash everything else, that's it.

@Rounderyathecruel

3 жыл бұрын

@@antidelusionalpeeps nope. It’s because after the Disney trilogy people finally had seen a bad Star Wars movie

Fanatism - excessive intolerance of opposing views. Pretty much defines Star Wars fandom in a nutshell.

One of the worst things is when people act like Disney is responsible for ALL of the bad and that Lucas never did anything wrong. They act like Disney does anything more than open a checkbook. Lucas film is in charge of itself same as marvel studios outside of approving projects really. And with anything Star Wars nowadays, you physically can’t have an og trilogy or prequel character show up for more than a scene or two no matter what or they’ll screech that the films are ruined

I totally agree with you as a diehard Star Wars fan.

Back when the Last Jedi came out I was the only person in my friend group that was "okay" with the movie. This in turn led some of them to use that against me whenever I gave my opinion on ANYTHING, even non Star Wars stuff! "Well.. you liked the Last Jedi so you can't have an opinion!" That's what I had to put up with for a time and honestly... it angered me. Just because I "liked" a film that means any future opinions I had on ANYTHING was suddenly null and void. It was mind boggling! Star Wars fans are a fickle bunch and sects of them just seem intolerant to different opinions.

@PumpkinPanic

10 ай бұрын

doesn't sound like friends, hope you find better

It's crazy how a fandom about movies that are supposed to fight the dark side is so dark. The force awakens? Too much like episode 4. The Last Jedi? Too Different. The Rise of Skywalker? Too fast. Snoke's a nobody? How dare you. Oh, you bring Palpatine? What, did you run out of bad guys??? We want more star wars... stop shoving star wars down our throat. You talk about the actors that played Jar Jar and Jake. same happened to the actress that played Rose and Rian Johnson. HELL, EVEN GEORGE LUCAS, THE F*CKING CREATOR, WAS TOLD HE RUINED HIS OWN F*CKING CREATION AND HE GOT SO FED UP HE JUST SOLD THE WHOLE THING. And the sad thing is, people who should be supposed to watch this particular video and realize you're talking about them won't realize you're talking about them. Because in their mind, they are right to say that kind of stuff to another human being. They are not the majority, they are just the loudest, obnoxious people. I think I read once that 98% of all twitter tweets come from 5% of all the accounts or something. So no, they are not the majority. I watched the video you are talking about, and I chuckled at his reaction. and I liked the video. and I moved on. My Godson doesn't like star wars and even if I tease him that I'm going to disown him and never talk to him again, he KNOWS I'm kidding. And I don't understand how in an era where you have to walk on eggshells about everything, that kind of behavior is getting to be the norm

Star Wars fans confuse the hell out of me I remember everybody bashing the prequel’s before the Force Awakens came out and now there begging for George Lucas back after they did not like the sequels either what do they want lol 😂🤣

@seanimusprime9849

4 жыл бұрын

Robo no... no they don’t.

@larniieplayz6285

4 жыл бұрын

Not everyone did that

@larniieplayz6285

4 жыл бұрын

Warpathimus yes they do

@Keanine

4 жыл бұрын

People wanting Lucas back after TFA were ridiculous. After TLJ I can understand that because it's the only Star Wars movie I genuinely hate. Lucas made bad prequel films but there was an overarching interesting story and you got something out of it that I don't think TLJ provided at all. TROS has tried to clean up after TLJ and I enjoyed it, but it's made the whole trilogy a complete mess without a real thread to follow. I'm not worried if we don't have Lucas anymore, but what I would absolutely love is if George was convinced to help write a Legends book trilogy in a few years for his ideas for the sequel trilogy where he has full creative control

@pwnster8597

4 жыл бұрын

@Robo The same people who bitched about the Prequels and told George Lucas to go away (which he then did - understandable since he received a LOT of hate, selling Lucasfilm to Disney) now want him back. If Lucas actually did come back and make something, people would still hate it because a lot of Star Wars "fans" (more like haters at this point) will always find something to complain about. People forget that the overwhelming majority of people thought the prequels were not "quality movies" - bringing back Lucas wouldn't change anything. The Star Wars fandom is toxic.

I hate when you’re talking about Star Wars with someone and they’re like “oH lAsT JeDi SuCks!!¡¡” and they base there opinion of the whole saga on that movie

@somegeekguy

4 жыл бұрын

Woop doop _ I loved TLJ... best episode since ESB for me.

@masztaarc

4 жыл бұрын

It did suck big time. The rest of them are good, great and epic.

@Ajaws

4 жыл бұрын

Parents React I thought it was fantastic. TFA was better in my opinion but TLJ wasn’t as bad as the prequels and Rise of Skywalker wasn’t great

@somegeekguy

4 жыл бұрын

Ajaws2414 I agree with you 100% and thanks for not bashing me for my opinion. I get so much shit for it. I like TFA, I remember watching it opening day, crazy hype, I think it borrows way too much and relies on nostalgia often but it does deliver when it needs to. And the new cast set up is swiftly done, I guess I’m just a fan more of the experimental story telling TLJ had to offer

@revan5097

4 жыл бұрын

i dont wanna be rude but the last jedi does suck, but that doesnt mean there wasnt gud scenes in it, i was really into that scene where Rey went in that dark side hole thing, demn(reminded me of kotor 2 korriban cave), theres other gud scenes but i forgot, my biggest problem with it is it feels like 2 complete movies, idunno how to explain it, it doesnt continue its story properly? i guess its more accurate to say its a bad continuation. i really loved the force awakens, even tho it had its slight problems, felt like it was writing itself in a corner but oh well, i loved the beginning of it where Rey was in that ship looking for salvage. Oh i re-watched the force awakens a week ago and maybe i have some huge PTSD problems, but when Rey and gang were going to that place where the criminals were, i panicked when i saw that droid walking by, but they didnt react at all, so i felt stupid lol, cos that same droid looked the same from that game jedi fallen order, that droid bounty hunter lmao (i kept getting killed by that droid bounty hunter on grandmaster difficulty everytime i came across them, or killed the main bounty hunter, but its sidekick wud disappear for no reason, so i'd feel inadequate even if i managed to kill the droid :( i cant parry on grandmaster so i have to win in a different way conclusion, they made a mess of this trilogy, especially linear-wise, but i enjoyed both movies, and i cant wait to download the rise of skywalker, i agree our star wars fandm is 70% ignorant toxic ppl, and im gonna quote Carth Onasi "i guess stupidity & ignorance never gets out of style" and its 100% true, but even tho i enjoyed this sequel trilogy, i believe the disney people were testing the waters and seeing how much they can get away with, agenda & political-identity-wise in the place of gud story-telling, so they are trying to sacrifice the best story telling they can give for their own agenda, thats why disney was trying to sabotage Rian Johnson's movie, so "the rise of skywalker" wouldn't prove that 'the last jedi' really is crap, they didnt want to be proven wrong about the last jedi. sry i made this too long

I consider myself a Star Wars fan, I love all of the movies, originals, prequels, sequels, Star Wars stories, etc. they mean so much to me, they’ve brought me so much joy. But, yeah, the other fans absolutely take all the fun out of Star Wars. You have to like the specific things they enjoy and nothing more. Have the same objective opinion. If you don’t agree with them, they’ll pile on you and we get that whole ‘you’re not a real fan’. They take it all too seriously, they’ve spent too much of their lives absorbing as much content as they can, and have become inflexible to options other than their own head canon or personal need for nostalgic vindication. And it’s so toxic. Looking at the effects, Ahmed Best almost killing himself because of fans, Jake Lloyd retiring from acting because of fans, Daisy Ridley and Kelly Marie Tran leaving social media because of fans, George Lucas himself walking away from the franchise because of fans. That’s not to mention the countless normal people at home who’re harassed and bullied online. It’s so toxic. But you point these things out, and they never take the responsibility, it’s the actor’s/George Lucas/Disney/Rian Johnson/JJ/Kathleen Kennedy/etc fault...no it isn’t. They just made something, the fans decide with their own personal voice to be dicks about it. I’m so often ashamed of the fans. But, I’ve made so many friends through the Disney era of this fandom, we have a large group that meet up for every big Star Wars release. We also have charity events that the 501st raise money for, book drives, etc. so I guess there is a small silver lining. But, the old adage still stands ‘no one hates Star Wars like a Star Wars fan’.

@leonie4322

4 жыл бұрын

i just want to say that you're an amazing fan. i wholeheartedly agree with you. i'm very new to the fandom, but even i know to say i love the prequels, originals, sequels, etc would basically be social suicide. it sucks because i want to meet some fan around my age who's respectful and have conversations about things we liked/disliked etc. it's very heartwarming to hear you've made friends via star wars and you meet up for the movies, i love that. i envy that in the best way possible. may the force be with you :D

@Monkeyboy1138

4 жыл бұрын

leonie rose the only advice I can give you in this fandom is to enjoy what you enjoy and fan how you want to fan. If there’s stuff you dislike, that’s fine, if there’s stuff you adore with all of your heart, that’s amazing. Preach about what you love - you’ll have to wade through a lot of toxic gatekeeping douchery - but keep the faith, keep at it, keep hope, make plenty use of mute, block and report, and you’ll find your fan family. I’m always excited for the new fans, there’s so much great stuff out there to pick up and watch, read, play, experience. Welcome to the fandom, you are very much wanted, valued and appreciated by this fan. May the Force be with you, always.

@leonie4322

3 жыл бұрын

@Shillyvk Sshilly yeah, it’s so tragic. they don’t deserve that. even little things like the fans saying daisy ridley is a bad actress because she made like two microscopic mistakes, just shows how much they nitpick and are willing to drag out any enjoyment. it’s pathetic, actually. the fans are so toxic - yet there are good ones out there! actual fans! i’ve made friends with people through star wars & now my best friend is watching it :)) following ^^ this advice really helped me, so yeah! i just try to ignore the (toxic) fans and enjoy what you enjoy no matter what! :))

@phoenixwolf15kamsieneda73

3 жыл бұрын

@@leonie4322 honestly, i’m inclined to agree with you both a Star Wars FANDOM is so toxic ugh it honestly hurts to enjoy star wars but feel berated by many. Many of their hate is mostly stretched out on Disney. Because they all whine about the expanding universe not being canon but fun fact: IT NEVER WAS!!! Plus that in the sequel trilogy they constantly say things like it’s the actors and Disney’s fault. The actors did not read the film they just starred in it. Plus Disney does not write the films they only publish and distribute it but the fans blame down since they are the parent company. I honestly find it difficult to enjoy Star Wars cause of these people. You guys agree right?

@leonie4322

3 жыл бұрын

@@phoenixwolf15kamsieneda73 100% agree with you. it doesn’t make sense. and like you said, they will make it difficult to like star wars - but at this point i treat those fans like white noise otherwise it will suck the fun out of it !! :D

As a life long Star Wars nut, I feel this so strongly. Like I loved The Last Jedi and I mean loved and people who don't agree that's perfect fine, but like I get told you aren't a real Star Wars fan if I even like it and then when I say I've been a Star Wars fan all my life to the point I don't even remember the first time I watched it because that's how young I was and I read the books and watch the shows and The Last Jedi is no joke my actual favourite Star Wars movie, the only response I get is "are you stupid?" Like I don't take any of those comments seriously, but like it's just so offpointing to be a part of the Star Wars fandom especially when it's about a movie that means a lot to me on a personal level. If you wanna hear why it means so much to me (beyond all the many different things I love in film from the Akira Kurosawa inspirations to the overall themes) then I'll just talk about it here if you're interested: What they did with Luke in TLJ is far more inspirational to me than any perfect legend could have been. I have me own personal struggles that I won't go into detail on, but often it feels like I'm hopeless, life is hopeless, I'm a mess and there's nothing I can do about it. Luke is favourite Star Wars character and to see him fall into a similar state as me helps me because it says, hey you aren't that pathetic for being and feeling this way, even heroes as great as Luke Skywalker can fall this low. What's even more inspirational is that at the end he finds new hope in himself and the galaxy at large and sacrifices himself in order to preserve hope for the future and inspire the galaxy. This says that no matter how low you feel, how far you have fallen, there's hope for you yet. On top of that the portrayal of self loathing in that movie is so incredibly accurate to my experience, I don't even know where I'd start, but it's just so real and human and as a massive Luke fan he was always the real down to earth everyday human farmboy and we still got to see him be the ultimate hero at the end in a way that is truly more Luke and lightside in his higher power of self control rather than dominance. And like I said the fact that he found that through all the pain and guilt of self loathing that I myself have experienced is just so ridiculously inspirational to me. Luke Skywalker has never been more heroic to me than he was in The Last Jedi and I stand by that. Again I totally agree, the fanbase can just be so cruel to each other and like I don't think anyone is an idiot for not liking The Last Jedi, like that's their opinion and there's nothing wrong with that just as my personal love for it is mine, so I just don't understand how people can go around attacking people for liking something that personally means something to them. Like clearly those people have a personal attachment to some piece of Star Wars so why would you attack someone else's as if they don't feel as passionately about it as you do.

@cutlerwalton7313

4 жыл бұрын

It's nice to know that mess of a movie made somebody feel good.

@danielmcneese3908

4 жыл бұрын

Fine, you like the choice done with Luke's character. I disagree and think it is antithetical to everything Luke was setup to be in the OT (Mark Hamill thinks so too), but whatever, let's brush over that as a difference of opinion. What about the rest of the movie? If you are as big a fan of SW as you say you are, does RJ breaking the universe not bother you? The introduction of flying ships into objects at light speed to destroy them literally broke the entire universe, and made the entire series incoherent when every single ship, no matter how small, now has the power of the Death Star. Which, hilariously, was actually made even more true in TRoS when JJ literally did that. Rey is still ultra powerful for no reason (don't give me the lineage stuff, because Anakin still needed years of training even as the greatest force user of all time). Leia magicked herself back onto the ship. Rose saved Finn for some nonsensical reason and somehow escapes death. I understand liking parts of TLJ. It wasn't all bad. I don't see how anyone could like the complete product, though. I would like someone to explain to me what about this movie makes it the best SW movie.

@ClintBandito

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielmcneese3908 I was just not going to respond to this because I don't have the time or energy, but it'll bug me if I don't. The Holdo Manuver does not break the Star Wars universe and does not have the power of the Death Star, but this video will explain it far better than I could in a rushed comment: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aaSAxsyfYrG5mbg.html On the Rey stuff first of all I wouldn't give you any lineage nonsense because Rey being nobody is one of the many things I love about TLJ. Honestly my main feelings is I don't give a crap about how powerful characters are. Like it's the least interesting element of Star Wars, I care far more a about a character's journey such as Rey's journey to find her place and wanting someone else to define her place for her but learning that nobody is going to provide that and will have to forge one on her own. Now if you really want explanations for Rey's abilities then from my perspective is that A.in regards to her fighting ability, she has literally been fighting for her life every day since she was 6, that's literally her backstory B. In terms of force abilities she actually showed no consistent skill in any area, whilst yes she probably also grew up consistently using it without realising you'd be right in thinking she shouldn't really be showing any real control over it, but she doesn't. Rey uses a mind trick once in sheer belief and desperation and doesn't do it again in either TFA or TLJ, she pulls the lightsaber to her in similar desperation and uses dark side rage to defeat a severely wounded Kylo. In TLJ for most of the movie doesn't deliberately use the force at all, until near the end. I would go on with comments about size matters not and force philosophies, but honest all this is just semantics. The force is mystical and works in mysterious ways and I really don't care how powerful a character is as long as they have a story I find compelling. Leia just magics herself back to the ship... yeah... using the force, Star Wars is a fantasy with it's own version of magic that is most interesting when it's mystical, we've seem people use it to survive in space before, we've seem it used, to pull, push, lift ect objects, people and one's self. Space has no counter force or Gravity so it'd arguably be easier. Honestly I loved seeing Leia use the force like that. The force is magic. It's a mystical energy feild. It's way more interesting when it's mystical in my opinion "That's the difference between the Rebels and the Empire, it's possible to fight because you love not just because you hate" - Irvin Kershner (Once Upon a Galaxy: A Journal of the Making of The Empire Strikes Back) Look we could argue this stuff black and blue for months. But I'll get to the root of what I actually personally loved about it in my second reply.

@ClintBandito

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielmcneese3908 Now best Star Wars movie is a nonsense statement because everyone has different parameters for what that means to them and either way there are serval Star Wars movies I think are amazing and I don't really have much interest in saying which is better. But yes The Last Jedi is my personal favourite. Why? Where do I start? How about Luke getting not only another character arch, like I loved him for in first place, but one that was personally very real and impactful to me and depicted my experience with self loathing to shocking accuracy. It forgoes the trappings and iconography of Star Wars and pushes it into new original territory whilst actually upholding the themes and values the Saga has always preached because what made Star Wars great back in 1977 was that it was new and inventive. George wasn't trying to please anyone but himself and pushed the inventiveness of cinema. Whilst pushing into new ideas it's looks to inspiration from the sources of inspiration taking the Luke/Rey/Kylo side from Akira Kurosawa films just as George did this time taking mixed inspiration from Ikiru and Ran with sprinklings of Rashomon. Whilst the Poe/Finn/Rose side took from George's other source of inspiration sci fi adventure serials like Buck Rodgers and Flash Gordon. Everyone gets character archs!!! Rey, Ben, Luke, Finn & Poe all have character archs that I would consider well developed and interesting. Rey's denial and struggle of finding how she fits into the ongoing events ultimately hearing the hardest answer of no one will give it to you, you have to forge it for yourself. Assessing that to Finn's own admittence he did not go to Starkiller for the cause, but rather just for Rey, Finn now gets a journey to understand the value of fighter for a greater cause than just yourself and things that immediately effect you. (That's what the Fauthier stuff is about by the way, it's not a sudden animal rights thing, it's Finn learning the value of saving something that doesn't have an impact on his personal life) fighting for a cause is one thing, fighting for a cause is another. Luke I've talked about in great deal already. Poe learns to be less wreckless and how to be a better leader. Which is one of the most interesting archs because it teaches Poe all Star Wars/Jedi preached principles in patients, thoughtfulness and non violence where possible, but confronts with the other Star Wars archetype of the flyboy underdog who just runs ins and gets things done despite the risk and lack of plan (See The Last Jedi isn't trying to take down the values or things we love about it, but rather refine it. Like it questions the Jedi legends, but ultimately says through all the mistakes and failings they were preaching the right thing and we should believe them and Luke embraces the legend and says "I will not be The Last Jedi"). Kylo's arch is mostly a decent, whilst like everyone else he moments of push and pull from both sides at every turn he pushes forward on his path to darkness and is left hollow and screaming at the end of TLJ (I also love that we got to see a darkside apprentice betray his master and become the supreme dark lord, it's something we've heard about, but never seen and I really wanted to see it with Kylo) OK I could go on and talk about favourite scenes and moments, how different plotlines parallel and clarify each other and so on, but I've already been responding to you for an hour so I think that'll do. Look I don't mind you disliking or liking whatever, but to me as a Star Wars fan it gave me everything I wanted and honestly I'm already thinking about tones of other stuff I haven't even brought up yet, but yeah I'll leave it here

@danielmcneese3908

4 жыл бұрын

@@ClintBandito Just because a guy made a KZread video out if it doesn't make what he says true. People show obvious flaws in his logic in the comments. It breaks the universe, there is no other way around that. As for Rey, she doesn't have an arc, that's the problem. Her "finding herself" is nothing more than a thin veil over a character who never lost, never tried at anything, never faced adversity. I don't care if she was a fighter her whole life (which isn't part of her backstory, btw, she was a scavenger), she competed with a ridiculously powerful force user who has been trained his entire life by two different masters, and she won. That's not character development. You can't have character development without struggle and hardship. Mirror her story and growth with Luke in the OT, they don't even compare. I wasn't going to go into the Luke stuff but you brought it up again, so OK, here we go. Luke had flaws in the OT. He was arrogant, he had anger, but one thing he did not have was a loss of hope about the redeemability of people. He demonstrated loyality to his family and those he loved, to a fault. He literally challenged the emperor because he had faith in his father, arguably the most evil being in the universe, save the emperor himself. A person who murdered countless millions, he had faith in. You are telling me THAT character raised his lightsaber against his nephew while he was sleeping because he had some bad dreams about him? That's not a second character arc, that's a completely different character. If RJ wanted to make a consistent character with a similar storyline, it isn't even difficult. All he would have to do is give Luke some hubris at Kylo challenging him in his training methods, and Luke throwing Kylo out of his school, which pushed him into the arms of Snoke. Consistent character, same result. Failure does make for a good character arc, which is why the OT, and Luke, were so beloved, and why changing who his character is at the core was devastating to so many people (again, including Mark Hamill).

Star Wars fan: In my opinion... Star Wars fans: So you have chosen death

And thats why i dipped out of the online fandom

@ImTheReverse

4 жыл бұрын

Good idea.

@ms.muffin7592

4 жыл бұрын

I REALLY should do that too but I just can’t pull myself away for some reason. Any advice?

@boredom2842

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewbates3683 the most passive aggressive comment i have ever read.

Star Wars has been my favorite fiction franchise since I was like 6, but the fandom is literal trash. I just want to talk about star Wars with people who actually like star Wars, not some neckbeard pissbabies that are angry at everything all the time

@GrimmReaper53320

4 жыл бұрын

Give it time and you'll be able to talk about the sequels as if they were the Prequels. It's the infamous star wars cycle. Hate the new love the old.

@ms.muffin7592

4 жыл бұрын

THIS! This is exactly how I’ve felt! Ever since seeing TFA in theatres and feeling more into Star Wars all I’ve wanted to do was talk about what I loved so much about the films and the games and the novels and just everything! But you just can’t seem to anymore without someone coming along and telling you your opinions are just wrong. I wish more people were like you Alice.

@kylemorello4787

4 жыл бұрын

@@GrimmReaper53320 that's why I try to be open-minded about new things.

@DarthLolly

4 жыл бұрын

Alice Spages try Star Wars reddit, it’s a generally positive community. If you like the prequels, don’t go to r/sequelmemes tho and same thing goes for liking the sequels, don’t go on r/prequelmemes or else they are going to either make funny memes attack about your opinion or just use prequel quotes to bully you.

@iskandermartens8744

4 жыл бұрын

@@DarthLolly just go to r/starwarscantina, its a subreddit for people who like everything to do with star wars

Star Wars fans are way worse now.

@vampsith

4 ай бұрын

I was coming from the future to say this 😂😂😂

My issue is with Star Wars fans is how toxic and repulsive they are towards other franchises fanbases. I mean it's just at a level that I've never seen before.

I like all the films. Nothing is perfect, they all have their problems, I don't walk into the theater with impossible demands. I enjoyed the sequel trilogy, including rise of Skywalker. I just want to enjoy the movie and we all have our own opinion, just everyone respect it

@ackminecrer9165

4 жыл бұрын

Robo Shut Zup, won’t you? No one wants to listen to your stupid ranting.

@topaz6995

4 жыл бұрын

@Robo you want to know what else is hilarious? You purposefully looked in the comments, saw this one and said, huh... maybe if i shit on this one comment saying that this one guy loves all the movies, ill be praised like some sort of saint, or cause a mass contoversy and seem like the smart guy. Well smart ass, you may want to rethink uour trainbof thought before you target someone for the hell of it.

@topaz6995

4 жыл бұрын

Spideygame88 agreed

@uaintevenvibin9168

4 жыл бұрын

Snehil Shrey Well you can’t really hate Disney for ONE three movie trilogy they “Ruined”. I’m not brushing off your opinion or anything or even attacking you for having an opinion but you’re forgetting the great hits Disney made, they’ve been around way longer than StarWars.

@thatsabingo6695

3 жыл бұрын

@Robo the prequels must be destroyed first though

I’ve always known that the prequels and sequels had a lot of bad feedback, but I never knew it was THIS bad! TurfNation talks about how the Amazing Lucas’ hypocritical review of the Last Jedi, how he wished cancer upon anyone who liked it. It’s a disgrace. If you have different opinions on a movie, that’s perfectly fine. But if these people attack those with different opinions, they immediately forfeit their Nerd Cred. Disney didn’t ruin Star Wars, the fans did. Don’t be a toxic fan people

Don’t let comments get to you man just put out the content you’re into and keep it up

@donjohngonzo5103

3 жыл бұрын

@Shillyvk Sshilly I mean that comments can negatively affect your mindset of what your attempting to believe or portray and not to let it influence you in the wrong way and to continue doing what he likes and thinks his fan base like

A lot of SW fans seem to be fans of the OT only, to them Star Wars = the OT. Everything that isn't the OT, they'll hate. If you say you like the prequels more than the OT you'll get bullied, if you dare saying you like the sequels at all get ready for your funeral. SW fans are so toxic, they dedicate their time and energy bashing bashing and bashing, it's ruined the SW experience for me.

@nickcopley606

3 жыл бұрын

The toxic prequel fans are just as worse have you seen them spamming tik tok fyps.

@virgogaming6488

3 жыл бұрын

The OT is overrated and set up impossible standards for the PT and the ST to reach.

A lot of star wars fans made up their minds about the rise of skywalker before it even came out

@Whateveridksomething

4 жыл бұрын

TBH i am new to star wars i starting watching the movies like 7months ago it was because of the mandalorian and because of the rise of Skywalker trailer it looked awesome, so I've watched the movies and became a huge star wars fan after that i watched rise of skywaler i really didn't want it to suck but it was very dissapointing for me but now i decided to rewatch it because I'm beginning to like it but it's still disappointing to me

@r2-kt743

4 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure rotten tomatoes shut down the want to see thingy

@titanrex0513

4 жыл бұрын

@@r2-kt743 True, they probably did contribute a little.

@alexmaverick6647

4 жыл бұрын

I was hoping and praying desperately for Rise of Skywalker to be good and to finally make me care about our new heroes. Long story short, I hated it. Despite how much I wanted to love it, it was still bad. Sometimes, that just happens.

@Whateveridksomething

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexmaverick6647 that's fine dude i like it sometimes but sometimes i don't idk why I'm just really disappointed i liked the lasg jedi and i adore the force awakens

I love Star Wars but I hate the fandom because it’s toxic and just hateful which I don’t want to be part of the fandom I just want to a fan of Star Wars and not be part of this hateful fandom

I agree. I love all the movies (yes they have their problems) but a good amount of the fans are mean.

Nobody likes them. These are the same people who whine about cancel culture over Carano, yet are the same ones who tried to cancel Brie Larson. These are the same people who didn't even like Carano or her character in the beginning of the show.

I really don’t like Rise of Skywalker. But the people calling it a cinematic failure probably haven’t seen any other movie that is t Star Wars.

@joec7217

3 жыл бұрын

The people that call it a Cinematic failure haven't seen many movies

@paulipaz

3 жыл бұрын

Same. It was my least favorite of the new trilogy but calling it a cinematic failure is so hyperbolic. Most of the toxic fans speak only in hyperbole anyway.

@joec7217

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulipaz Yeah. And no lie, it's my favorite of the trilogy

@virgogaming6488

3 жыл бұрын

It's bad but an entertaining popcorn movie.

The mind of a Star Wars fan. Harassment, bullying, and driving people to insanity or suicide and doing so to a (child).= That's just fine. Making, being in, or having a neutral or higher opinion of a movie.= Worse than Hitler.

Man, you called it. I’m loving everything about the Obi-wan series, but it’s so hard to tune out negative and toxic voices. And I just love that everyone who comments acts like they’re a certified film critic and not just couch potatoes like the rest of us.

@michaeldacunto1158

2 жыл бұрын

I’m with you, I love Obi-wan, and I see so much hate and it really angers me

@centerofstar

2 жыл бұрын

Totally, its my favourite disney+ show ever and yet it has the largest critic that surpasses the book of boba fett. I give it the next 10-20 years and see if the opinions change or not

Never understood why Rey being a mary sue was an issue after seeing overpowered characters such as Anakin in the prequel films, Neo from The Matrix, and every Will Smith action movie

And now the new thing is Andor raised the bar too high so now The Mandalorian sucks because it’s not a masterpiece like Andor. Seriously people are starting to shit in The Mandalorian. I’m not joking.

You know HH, I’ve been a hardcore Star Wars fan all my life and I have been to 4 (yes, FOUR) Star Wars Celebration Conventions, and I’ve got to tell you: _none_ of the countless Star Wars fans I met at the con are like the toxic fans that hound the internet. They are friendly, sociable, and open-minded people who love Star Wars and enjoy all the films (to varying degrees, of course). The problem is that a small minority of fans try to control the internet to paint a different picture than reality.

Is the reason I tell my kids don't become obsessed with the movies and other forms of entertainment material. You can like them but keep it to a certain extent.

I'm one of those apologetic Star Wars fans who likes all 9 films. Its sad how fans have ruined the fun of talking about Star Wars. There's a few problems that have lead to this. Number 1 is the Internet. People will type things on here that they would never say in real life to someone's face. Number 2 is hatred. A lot of KZread channels will complain about Lucasfilm, but the reality is that 'fans' have hated on Star Wars and Lucasfilm for years, there's so much immaturity. Number 3 is being narrow-minded. This idea that Star Wars should only be this one way only, there's no acceptance for new characters or ideas. If you dislike one of the new films, why hate on it and ruin the experience for everyone else? I'm done with Star Wars on KZread. This video highlights the problem really well.

"I like your Star Wars. I don't like your Star Wars fans. They are so unlike your Star Wars." ~ Gandhi

It’s 2024 now, and The Acolyte is out. So far, the show is good, but the “Fans” are review bombing the show on IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes with their racist, sexist, and homophobic remarks towards the actors. It sucks that The Fandom Menace has become so insufferable, that it’s affecting the lives of actors and Star Wars Fans. I love all the Star Wars movies and shows, but I try my best to disassociate myself from online communities.

It’s tough. I’m working hard to be a positive in this fandom but it feels like the toxic is so much louder. Hopefully the trolls go back to their dark bridges and we can all just enjoy SW for whatever reason we enjoy it.

@samjames6714

4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes I just go to hateful comments and calmly give a counterpoint to the usually dumb argument, in the hope that I might change someone’s perspective and make this hell hole of a community just a tiny fraction more positive, but every time I get a load of insults. I’ve been told to shut up, called a child, called stupid, been sworn at, been called a simp (for who, Disney?), and all sorts of others. For fans of a franchise almost entirely about fighting back against hatred and darkness, they sure do love it. It’s a real shame

Between the negativity, nitpicking, and racism it really gets tiring sometimes

Everyone who says, disney killed Star Wars, is wrong. Those people, who are saying this, are about to kill it.

@dr_clive7622

4 жыл бұрын

It’s not dead yet, but like it or not there’s no denying that Disney divided the fan base with TLJ. And dividing your fan base is a great way to kill off a franchise.

@joec7217

4 жыл бұрын

@@dr_clive7622 The fanbase was divided before The Last Jedi came out

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

Well i dont have to financially support it anymore you do realize that. When people said "If you dont like it only watch and support that you like" well we did and the merchandise dried up etc. TROS struggled to barely make a billion ffs you people Ahmed Best just fucking threw shade on the DT and Jake Lloyd are you gonna blame people for his Schizophrenia

@samjames6714

4 жыл бұрын

Disney _revived_ Star Wars and the “fans” beat it back to death and then blamed Disney

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

@@samjames6714 baaaaaaaahahahahahahahah no in no way did they revive it but they did create things the fans hated

Person: Do you like Star Wars? Star Wars Fan: Well yes, but actually no.

@heathhersom6579

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on if you like lazy story telling or not. Original trilogy and prequels were original and had a plan unlike the sequels.

@caseybarrett8352

4 жыл бұрын

Heath Hersom cool no one asked

@heathhersom6579

4 жыл бұрын

@@caseybarrett8352 Well he's implying that if if I say I don't like everything about Star Wars then do I really like Star Wars. So in a sense he is. So I broke it down for him.

@friedrice7876

4 жыл бұрын

@@heathhersom6579 That is cool and all and i respect your opinion but even tho that was a cool story nobody asked

@heathhersom6579

4 жыл бұрын

@@friedrice7876 Lol go read a comic or a book to solve plot holes

Those comments towards Matt were totally uncalled for

Being a big fan of Last Jedi made me realize that I don’t belong in this fanbase 😂

@paulipaz

3 жыл бұрын

Same. Simply liking the Last Jedi made me feel that way. ha

@MediaLoverChris02

2 жыл бұрын

You belong here. I love The Last Jedi. It’s the haters that DON’T belong… that being said words cannot describe how much I hate them.

@baloowailey6278

21 күн бұрын

I left after seeing TLJ fans bully TROS fans for liking their movie.

Its ridiculous how fans ruined some the lives of Star Wars cast. Why cant fans just be happy for the efforts of these people to entertain them but fans themselves hate what their a fan of. And thats just weird :(

@starwarsprequelsandsequels7582

3 жыл бұрын

Tell me about it

This is the fandom where the issue of “my opinion on movies is factual and everyone else’s opinions are wrong” is the WORST! I guarantee you if you go on a Star Wars social media page and say literally any Star Wars movie is your favourite (other than maybe the Empire Strikes back), there’s gonna be at LEAST one person telling you you’re wrong and insulting you.

I loved Jar Jar so much as a young teen, I had a puppet of him. My dog hated it.

@samjames6714

4 жыл бұрын

damn I guess your dog is a stereotypical Star Wars ‘fan’

Look, Star Wars is Star Wars. Yes, with the amount of content, characters, etc they have, are creating and will create, there will be things that are great and situations where they are not. We are all consumers of this special privilege that has been brought to us but it does not give us the right to be narcissistic in any form. Seriously? Ahmad Best considering suicide? There's not enough words to understand the term sad. Like Qui-Gon Ginn said "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent."

Its so ironic how the movies teach us to stay centered, don't use your hatred and rage. Yet every corner of the fandom can have more anger than Darth Maul in season 4 of the clone wars. Guess what? Its OK that other people like/dislike stuff different from you. Let people be. I do my best to find positives in everything. I like the prequels, I adore the originals, I love the sequels, I love the anthologies, I love the TV shows, I enjoy the books and comics, and I play the video games constantly. Just, chill guys. Let people enjoy things.

I also have a friend who doesn't like Star Wars and where still friends. To be completely honest if I had to choose between giving up Star Wars and my friend, I would choose her because I value are friendship much more than a fictional world. I'm a Star Wars fan who loves pretty much everything Star Wars and I respect those that have different opinions on it, I actually have had some very peaceful interactions with people that don't agree with me on some aspects of Star Wars.

its honestly sad that nobody can say that they love something in star wars without being criticized

Which is why I avoid the comment sections of Star Wars videos on YT.

@verdar3662

Жыл бұрын

One time I was trying to enjoy a dude perfect stereotype video, but because Darth carder was in it, people started bullying sequel fans.

It truly is the Fandom Menace I love Star Wars and I absolutely agree the Star Wars fandom is incredibly toxic. The amount of animosity that the prequel actors received was horrible. Ahmed Best almost committed suicide because these so called "fans" tormented him. I hate seeing sequel fans getting attacked, I dislike the sequels, but it's wrong to bash people for enjoying something

I've been called not a real Star Wars fan for liking the prequels and The Last Jedi, for liking all the Star Wars movies to varying degrees since they are "so different from eachother" as if something must be wrong with my taste for liking a wide range. Cinema isn't supposed to be the same movie over and over again, I like progression and different styles. That's why Star Wars and Harry Potter are my favorite large franchises by far, the entries didn't just repeat tone from the same original two or three movies over and over again. There's a saying "nobody hates Star Wars movies as much as Star Wars fans", this is why Lucas ultimately sold the franchise and stopped directing films himself. Think about this, George Lucas was so despondent over Star Wars fans trashing his Star Wars movies that he stopped making films.

Toxic Star Wars fans:Kill him He:No Palpatine:Do it

@maliantt

4 жыл бұрын

Finally, someone who doesn't categorize all Star Wars fans as toxic.

it's so much worse, now.

We need to take the fandom back from the haters because so many people like and enjoy Star Wars and everybody should get to participate in the community no matter what movies you like or dislike.

I like some of them more than others but I have respect for every film in the saga (even the sequels and Prequels)

@starwarsprequelsandsequels7582

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the resistance

@thatsabingo6695

3 жыл бұрын

oH WeLl ThEN YOu’rE noT A ReAL faN LikE ME

I love it all. But this fandom is toxic

@larniieplayz6285

4 жыл бұрын

Some parts

I can’t bring myself to hate Rise of Skywalker, I feel guilty to admit that I liked the film and that it’s my 6th favorite Star Wars film. I know why it’s hated but after Last Jedi leaving me underwhelmed I came in expecting not much from TROS but enjoyed it for entertainment value mostly and seeing Palpatine again.

@Pokey_Puni_

2 жыл бұрын

Thats awesome though, I may not have liked the same movie but hearing a positive opinion for once is pretty refreshing to see, the sequels are overhated but if I learned something from years of prequels hate, we shouldn't be so harsh on those who actually liked said movies. Don't let anyone change your view on what you like.

@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722

Жыл бұрын

@@Pokey_Puni_ And most importantly, have the courage to forgive, even if the damage will never be fixed

It's kinda funny how a lot of them only see their views as the right one and anybody who doesn't agree is just stupid and should never watch SW again. These people don't understanding what an opinion is. I mean if they making logical arguments (which oftentimes they don't) there is room for a discussion but these people don't wanna discuss they just tell you that you're stupid for liking this or liking that simply because they don't like it.

I hate the fact that when you meet a Star Wars fan they’ll ask you questions to suss out if they think your opinion is right by them. I love all the films. I’m telling you I love Star Wars why the fuck are you trying to prove to me you are a purest fan and prove your opinion is correct on the sequels, on the choices just on anything! I just wanna love it all man leave me be

The problem is not criticism, but the form of criticism. Btw, out of curiosity, what about the Mandalorian? Will your friend watch/react to it?

@HoldenHardman

4 жыл бұрын

I LOVE the Mandalorian! And yes, I think we will watch that one. We're currently in the middle of all the Harry Potter's so we're about to finish that. After that, I think we'll spend a lot of next week on Mandalorian.

@ackminecrer9165

4 жыл бұрын

Holden Hardman Will it be a video?

@noahfortner2

4 жыл бұрын

Holden Hardman Looking forward to that!

@krzyszwojciech

4 жыл бұрын

@@HoldenHardman Ok, cool. Are those gonna be reactions, or just weekends with friends? Personally, I think the Mandalorian killed the franchise... just kidding! It's really great overall, even if has some little issues sprinkled here and there. 8/10 Gives me hope for SW after the last trilogy [of which I'm not a fan; it's pretty terrible, respectfully :) ]. Cheers!

@Yoda-wf6bu

4 жыл бұрын

krzyszwojciech you clearly tried to be polite but then you ended your comment with the most random shit I’ve ever seen saying the sequels were terrible. Like no one asked.

Growing up as a kid people hated the prequels but now people love them, I don’t get how people switch just like that

@mitziixoxo

4 жыл бұрын

It's because all of the people who grew up with the prequels, like me (I've liked Star Wars since I was like 7 and now I'm 16) are old enough to actually give an intellectual opinion on the prequels. There's a really good video on how the prequels are actually really good, and why people initially hated them. To sum it up though, the prequels aren't perfect, but they follow the Star Wars film style and tell a good story, but people at the time had such high expectations that they automatically hated the movie just because it wasn't what they theorized when the OT came out. Basically the zoomers are finally outnumbering the boomers in this fanbase.

@MrGeoff-iv6re

4 жыл бұрын

Ren_the_person_thing please, go back and watch the prequels. They really are bad. I enjoy them because it’s Star Wars but they are badly written and acted.

@Yoda-wf6bu

4 жыл бұрын

Ren_the_person_thing i mean the prequels sucks ass. But I love them. They are my children. Revenge of the Sith is my favorite sw movie. Still awful acting and bad dialogue.

@mitziixoxo

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrGeoff-iv6re I've watched them several times through, and while I agree the script isn't the best, I think the acting is fine. The actors did the best they could with the script they were given. I still think the prequels are really enjoyable, but they do have flaws. I never discounted that. There are countless videos though defending them and the actors. Not to mention if you watch Clone Wars, they're even better due to new knowledge of what happens between 2 and 3.

@mitziixoxo

4 жыл бұрын

@H H You're literally one of the boomers I'm talking about my dude

If someone asked me to describe Star Wars in one word I'd say "Which part of it? The fandom? The actual universe? The movies?" And they'd say "Just... Like all of it." My one word that describes Star Wars most accurately would be: _Sigh._

Toxic fan: All I’m trying to do is to save the Star Wars franchise, and you still don’t like me. How can you not like me? Me: Okay, I’ll tell you. You’re one of the worst people I know. You constantly bashed George Lucas when the prequels came out. The guy created Star Wars, thus creating your childhood and that’s how you repaid him? And to add insult to injury, you sang about how he supposedly “raped your childhood”. And you’re such a sponge. You expected Disney and Lucasfilm to make something completely new and original after The Force Awakens, but after The Last Jedi came out, you said it wasn’t what you expected it to be. And what really bothers me, is that you worship the originals like they’re the second coming of Jesus Christ, while complain about the other trilogies “ruining your childhood”. Yes, it’s okay to dislike certain movies, but at least be mature about it. Don’t go on social media and harass Rian Johnson about how he “ruined” the character of Luke Skywalker. He didn’t! He understood how Luke and his views could change over the years! But that’s why you hate him so much. He didn’t turn Luke into the version from Legends. God, you’re pretentious! And you delude yourself by thinking you’re saving Star Wars, even though you’re not saving squat. You know Kathleen Kennedy is not going to get fired just because you disliked a few movies. You should’ve known that she’s been a competent filmmaker collaborating with Spielberg in the past. And I think what else annoys me, is your raving paranoia about “SJW propaganda”, and you complaining about your fan theories not coming true, and you treating your opinions like objective facts. Well, what have you done to help?! Harassment and bullying will only make things worse. They’re certainly not getting better! You wanna help?! Grow the hell up! And by the way, just because you had a fan theory about a character’s lineage, that doesn’t mean it’s going to be in the actual movies. One more thing! You call people “shills” or “fake fans” for liking the movies you hate, “Because people who like the movies I don’t like are idiots”! Well, who the hell are you to talk down to anyone?! You bullied and harassed actors and actresses for playing characters they didn’t even write! Not to mention your pathetic attempts to “fix” the movies you hate. How’s that last Jedi remake nobody will ever see? But, you know what? I can forgive all of that, ALL OF IT, if you weren’t such a hypocrite. That’s the worst of it. You’re just a big, sad, pathetic, immature, hypocrite. (Exhale) Well, I’ll see you never. Thanks for (bleeping) nothing.

@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722

2 ай бұрын

You forgot to say that even if Kennedy DID get fired will the fandom be satisfied???????

@lukespillman1313

Ай бұрын

@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722The easy answer to that question is an emphatic no. Because nothing will ever make them happy. The only thing that has ever made them happy is bullying people online.

The issue with Star Wars, and more importantly, the fans is that many view it as something "sacred" from their childhood (or adulthood if you were old enough to see it the first time round). This rose tinted view is held incredibly closely to some people and if someone criticises the films, it seems like an affront to their childhood and entire being. That said, I was disappointed that Disney bought LucasFilm and knew (off the success of this whole MCU thing) that they'd try flooding the market with new films and spin offs. I watched The Force Awakens with some anticipation & excitement, but felt quite flat when the film finished. And with that, I decided not to view the other films. I loved eps 4/5/6 as a kid but for me, not going to be something I'll watch again. Maybe some of the "toxic fandom" should also realise it makes them look ridiculous from the outside observer.

We romanticize movies from our childhoods. SW movies span generations and we are all lucky to have trilogies of our own to claim as the best. But love only the originals? Then you are just a fan of 3 SW movies.. A true SW fan loves them all. Can’t get enough myself.

@randomgamer625

4 жыл бұрын

Katrina Bancroft there’s no such thing as a true Star Wars fan a Star Wars fan just likes Star Wars

FINALLY! Someone has said it!

@heyron3554

4 жыл бұрын

Warpathimus a lot of people do. However, they’re overshadowed by the hive mind of most social media platforms. If your opinion differs from the common train of thought, you won’t be noticed.

@larniieplayz6285

4 жыл бұрын

Lots of people say this

@reno.rodolfo3089

4 жыл бұрын

I always said it, but I don't have a camera

I never even heard that Jake lloyd was getting harassed by fans till LONG after I first saw the phantom menace. Feel bad for him. I really liked young Anikan. 😢

You seem like a really nice civil fan. I've really enjoyed all the Star Wars movies flaws and all. Yeah each movie has some issues but they are some fun space fantasy films. Nice to see that there are other fans that are good and decent people. :)