Hey Everyone! Apologies if the first 6 mins occasionally have some bad/crackly audio, there were a lot of technical issues. Hopefully everyone enjoys, especially the middle segment. I may post it as its own video.

Matpat: *leaves Game Theorists* The FNAF Timeline: "Welp, time to get solved."

I really love your use of “what’s seen in shadows is often misunderstood in the mind of a child”. I feel like those 3 clues were kinda left alone as times gone on which is fair enough since who knows how accurate they still are but the idea that children are mistaking people putting the suits on as children being stuffed is creative. William could’ve also gotten the idea to stuff the kids based on the rumour

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

I also think the toy chica beak hint was pointing to the toy animatronics being based on actual toys, hence the name. (Also that Toy Chica did the bite of 87 but I’ll let people believe it’s mangle for now lol)

@0celot9

4 күн бұрын

@DeskFanMan87 Toy Chica definitely did the bite of 87 (If it exists). Glad you agree

I believe CC is first, and my reasons have to do with FNAF4's consistent theme of showing us the origins of the entire timeline. You got the four plushies referencing the MCI, you got the bullies in masks mirroring Happiest Day, you got a plethora of Happiest Day references in general, you got Fredbear plush being unique among the plushies like Golden Freddy will one day be, you got a reference to the Shadows, a reference to springlock victims, etc. And ofc... the Puppet is the only one who never shows up. Because CC is the Puppet stand-in. He has the stripes and tear streaks, he dies in the same pose as Shadow Puppet, he gives life to the plushies as his "friends", Fredbear pledging to put him back together mirrors Happiest Day when the Puppet helps Golden Freddy move on (since HD as a whole is a reflection/reversal of CC's tragic birthday), and he dies because of an act of bullying... like Charlie does. Perhaps even at the same exact location. So if FNAF4's theming is consistent, this is the "origin" or the foreshadowing of the Puppet, as with everything else in the game. Some believe it's a literal origin, in that CC's tremendous pain in life left a curse-like effect on the franchise and made everything in the timeline happen. But that's still a little out there for me. Of course, it is entirely possible that even if ALL this is accurate, it changed over time and is no longer relevant. But at the moment, I still believe this holds true. Of course, it could also be as simple as Puppet not being in 4 because it doesn't exist yet, and is created by Henry after CC dies for general security and safety of the kids. But that's not wordy enough. lol And also, there's nothing to suggest that, even if it does logically follow.

The case with Freddy being the Save Him Bear is intresting to me. Because the recent lore surrounding Fall Fest, and stories like "The Mimic" and "Dittophobia," might introduce the concept that the Freddy gang are much older than we thought. Being mascot suits from Fall Fest. Perhaps even making Phone Guy's "20 years" line be actually correct again after 10 years lol. So this could have implications when it comes to Charlotte's death date. But then again, this is a relatively new concept. It may or may not have been in Scott's mind since 2017.

13:30 I believe Elizabeth dies January 7th 1985. "1,5,7,8" ambience, from SL, HAS to be an important date for Elizabeth/Baby (Same ambience type as Phone Guy call in Fnaf 4, but with Baby). I believe it's Elizabeth's death date, and the only time that happens after 1983 is Jan 85, July 85, or dates in 87, and since July 1st 1985 is too soon after the MCI I believe it's Jan 7th 1985. As for Charlie's possession, the books have it as... (I believe these points are what happens in the games, hence why i made the points more... broad): 1. Charlie dies 2. Somehow Charlie returns (Henry creates Charlie bots/Charlie possesses the puppet) 3. William wants to replicate what happens to Charlie, so he creates Circus Baby (he steals 4th charlie/creates Baby from scratch) 4. Elizabeth dies from Baby. (Book Henry is said to have taken Baby back by the time of the MCI, meaning Elizabeth is already dead) 5. MCI happens June 85 6. Book Henry kills himself July 85 + Game Henry stays alive, might be the lack of illusion discs. Or something more.

I've never given much thought into why William didn't stuff Charlie.

I love this NARRATIVE SCENARIO section alot. (Also just the whole video) I feel the storytelling is something people forget about, instead focusing on timelines and dates and set events rather than the narrative and characters themselves. So, seeing a theory focusing on THAT aspect, as well as the details, was great to watch. Excellent work mate. 👍

My theory has always been MCI, Charlie, Elizabeth, Crying Child. Why did the security bot need to even exist prior to any murders happening? That has always bothered me in timeline where Charlie dies first. My theory has always been MCI happens, the MCI souls wander the restaurant until Charlie’s murder. Charlie helps each spirit find their body(inside the animatronics) and that’s what causes them to be able to possess them. William build Baby to kill more kids and Elizabeth is killed which is when he discovers remnant and the animatronics being possessed. Crying child is killed, and that is when William vows to use remnant to bring him back. William builds fun time animatronics to capture more kids and continue his remnant experiments. He gathers the MCI animatronics melts them down and injects them into the Funtime animatronics. Finally William gets Springtrapped after the MCI chase him into Spring Bonnie.

@AAmelia--___--Hankss

4 күн бұрын

Some interesting points but at 3:09 it shows that Charlie died in '83 and if I remember correctly the MCI was in '85

@devereauxrobxyahoo

4 күн бұрын

@@AAmelia--___--Hankss The books kinda flip flopped. There is clear implication that Charlie died at Fredbears.

@AAmelia--___--Hankss

4 күн бұрын

@@devereauxrobxyahoo I won't deny that I am a firm believer that Charlie died outside fredbears I think it would make the most sense. And yea the books aren't really the most accurate with game lore but it is the only death date we have for her. There is also the pizzeria sim ending with the missing children graves including one on a hill under a tree that im pretty sure matches the description from the books for Charlie's grave.

I believe Susie was first, after Mrs. Afton's death sparking evil. And wishing others to feel his pain. Then Jeremy, Gabriel, Fritz, Cassidy, and then Charlie, then Circus Baby, remade to hunt innocent kids, accidentally causing Elizabeth's death, hints to the her bedroom being empty in FNAF 4, and Crying Child followed Shadow Freddy to Freddy's and sees Charlie's lifeless body, and the puppet on top of her, sparking his fear of Animatronics.

I think BV's (Crying Childs) death and Charlie's death have 0 impact on each other. They kinda parallel each other (both got bullied), but whether Charlie died first or not, BV would've died anyways, and whether BV died first or not, Charlie would've died anyways. SImply 'cause while they deaths may look like they would be related, they absolutely aren't at all, it's completely different situations. I think unless we get something with Fall Fest that shows us more details about 1983, it doesn't really matter what you objectively believe in. Personally I think BVFirst is correct, but that's moreso in relation with me believing SparkVictim as well. CharlieFirst and BVFirst just kinda depends on what theories you want to believe in.

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

What you said at the beginning of the second paragraph is something I’ve been thinking for years. All these small details really don’t matter. We know the events happen, exactly how aren’t as important. It’s just fun to speculate. I really need to make a discussion video about that. I really appreciate your input

I like a lot about this theory especially the rebrand after the bite i think it makes a lot of sense!! I wanted to add one thing it made me think of: More evidence to why Charlie dies at Fredbear’s So from Ruin we know that the Pizzaplex is built on top of FnaF 6 location, and that the FnaF 6 location is built on top of Sister location. i agree it is very likely that FnaF 6 location is the same as where Charlie dies, due to the back alley similarity, and the poetic justice part from Henry. Therefore where Charlie dies is built on top of Sister location. In sister location we see that the crying child’s house is being powered/monitored. Which suggests that it is likely close by. We know that the pizzeria in FnaF 4 is close to the crying child’s house, therefore would be close to sister location, therefore likely the pizzeria that is built above sister location. Which overall makes it very likely in my opinion that Charlie dies at the FnaF 4 location.

Wow, I love the 8 bit parts it's very entertaining! And your commentary is very professional ☺️

Charlie then BV at least 5 days afterwards when he dies at his party.

I think the MCI happened before Elizabeth's death because otherwise why would he stuff the MCI kids in the Freddy's suits instead of the Funtime suits he had lying right there which were made specifically for holding children. Furthermore, if at that point he realized that Elizabeth was in Baby and so then the spirit transfer worked then that would also make it weird for him to stuff the kids in the Freddy's suits instead of the Funtimes. That said I think he got a taste for blood after killing charlie and either he knew charlie was in the puppet or he didn't but either way he went on to kill the MCI kids. At that point he realizes that the kids possessed the suits so he creates the Funtimes which he doesn't use because before the opening of Circus Baby's Elizabeth dies. William then gathers the old suits with the MCI kids possessing them and melts all of them in remnant and puts them in the Funtimes (or something idk this part is blurry to me). Anyways that's just my 2 cents

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

I try to address this in my sister location timeline video, but I think it’s fair that a lot of people still believe MCI was before Elizabeth. I did until like months ago.

That narration of how events unfolded + diving into the characters thoughts and motivations was just *chefs kiss* Hope you do more stuff like that in future Only part I disagree with timeline wise is crying child’s death - Curse of Dreadbear strongly implies it occurred during Fallfest 83 The update is overwhelmingly FNAF 4 themed, not just with the added levels but also the environment - FNAF 4 house in background of the hub world - Random mysterious car behind us…potentially Williams? - Bully masks in Trick or Treat (oh yeah, we get casual confirmation they’re halloween masks, likely sold at Fallfest) Not to mention the only new animatronics being Dreadbear and Grimm Foxy, aka perfect crying child and Michael symbolism - A version of Fredbear (crying child’s killer) based on Frankenstein’s monster (creature brought to life by a *mad scientist* who, in order to control the forces of life and death, steals body parts from the deceased and *puts them back together* as one) - Halloween themed Foxy you’re constantly on the lookout for + need to hide from in the Corn Maze level With all this in mind, rather than summer it’s more likely crying child was killed just weeks before Charlie and Henry didn’t bother to rebrand, only installing the Security Puppet. Hey, if they were willing to keep using Fredvear at their *main restaurant* after the diner closed, it’s entirely possible they didn’t see the bite as grounds enough to replace him. Freddy’s sprite in Take Cake is probably just a continuity error because at the time of making FNAF 2 Scott hadn’t decided Fredbear was Golden Freddy. Also, considering the FNAF 4 minigames are *sequential* (going day by day through the week of the bite) crying child’s coma probably only lasted that long - a day, not months.

@DeskFanMan87

2 күн бұрын

@@darkhumour741 I really appreciate people liking that section, even if they don’t 100 percent agree on the exact dates I put things. If anything, I do want the takeaway from the video to be the characterizations I presented, I feel really strongly about that, so glad you liked it😁 Also, that last point about using Fredbear at the main restaurant is a really great point that I kinda just glossed over. Someone else commented similar evidence about the Dreadbear DLC and I kinda came to this conclusion, 1) if you want cakebear to be Freddy, just use what I presented. 2) if you don’t care either way, push the bite to early October and Charlie end of October. One thing I will push back on is that CC had to die the next day due to the minigames being sequential. It’s presented that way because it’s counting down to the party, imo the final cutscene could be anytime after. I totally get people not liking him living that long after though so I get not wanting it to be summer. Thanks for commenting, I really like talking about stuff like this.

I thought it was the bite victim that got bit first and then put into a coma but whilst bite victim was alive but in coma William killed Charlie and then the bite victim died a few weeks after charlie died

Ive always been more of the idea that this is the order, in terms of narrative and logical deduction of how this kind of series of events would happen this is the one that makes the most sense. Mostly because you can't really have mci before charlie and definitely not before cc

This vid so SOOOOO GOOD!!! Hope to see more of your work!

I feel like you have the right vibe for William and Henry as characters.

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

That is something I wanted everyone to take away from this video, even if people disagree with my conclusions I’m like 99.99999% confident in these characterizations and I’m glad it’s coming across well.😁

This video is so well made!! Keep up the grind, this channel bouta blow up!

For an upstarting channel, your content is on par to the top dogs of youtubers. Can't wait to see this channel grow!

That's exactly how i think it is great video, charlie dies first but bite of 83 happens first

amazing video!!! I love the animations

this is so well edited

Yo man I really enjoyed the video! I like the way that you explain a lot of things very in depth. I really can’t wait to see where your channel goes!

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

Thank you, from one Spidey fan to another 😁🕸️

I love your animation style!! This reminds me of the RyeToast video where they discuss the order of deaths as well, so I was intrigued. I have to admit I like this one more ^-^ My only thing is- if Elizabeth Afton died before the MCI, then why would the Scooper exist? (I’ll be honest I haven’t seen your Sister Location video yet and I intend to check it out later today, so if you explain yourself there I apologize)

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

Thank you so much, I had a lot of fun doing that segment of the video (took forever tho) The scooper is strange, it’s a remnant injector but also clearly functional as just an endoskeleton removing device. I don’t think I fully try to make a good case for it existing, honestly as long as William knows SOMETHING about possession I think it’s possible for him to make it. And for the cover story it’s just an over complicated way to remove endos. Hopefully you like the Sister Location video when you check it out, it’s my personal favorite so far.

while i'm not the BIGGEST fan of CBPW being Pre-MCI (and even then i'm still flip-flopping on the idea), that concept isn't necessarily integral to this theory. this video has managed to free me of my doubts regarding Charlie's death location, and is one of the few theory videos i've seen on KZread that properly characterizes William Afton. also probably the only attempt to explain Pigtail Girl and "don't you remember what you saw?" i've seen in years.

good theory! i do think mci came before elizabeth but i have to see your theory first

@numetalOverlord

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, the MCI seems less sophisticated than the plan with the Funtime animatronics.

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

I really do recommend that video, even if you disagree it’s personally my favorite I’ve done so far.

Amazing video honestly, great theory and great editing. You deserve many more subs, I will definitely be subscribing and watchig your other videos! The only thing I disagree with is this interpretation of Afton being ''evil'' without a good reason, as in Steel Wool's interview with Dawko they said ''you want a villain that commits terrible acts, but they're a victim of other wrongdoings, they're not a force of evil who comes out of nowhere to torment people''. I get where you're coming from tho as in the books Afton is just straight up narcissistic and sociopathic.

@DeskFanMan87

2 күн бұрын

I tend to believe they were referencing the Mimic with that description, but yours is a fair takeaway. I’m glad ya liked the editing, that whole middle part took forever, thanks for the support😁

the editing is so gooooood

Another peak video just dropped holy shit. I agree with almost everything in it, especially Afton's motives for killing Charlie. The one thing I disagree on is BV surviving the bite long enough to outlast Charlie, in my interpretation of ShatterVictim, Charlie has to die after BV does, because the Puppet seemingly has a piece of BV and his memories in 3, specifically Mangles Quest. I also think Afton knew BV was broken, just through some feeling he had, like how he knew Henry's soul broke a piece off onto the Ella doll. William just knew somehow, possibly something paranormal happened with BV pre 4, which would give Afton a motive to spy on him (with WillPlush ofc)

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

Thanks! and totally fair perspective on BV living so long. I agree there is a good chance that William just somehow knew about supernatural stuff even without Charlie’s death, I just really like to try to fit as much together as I can. It’s a partial flaw in my theorizing, but it leads to some fun conclusions. It’s a weird loop for me. If Charlie dies before BV, I don’t think that SAVEHIM can be Fredbear’s, but if it’s after the bite you need to justify why Fredbear would stay in operation at that location. I guess it depends on how you view Midnight Motorist and who runaway is and all that. One day I’ll talk about it.

@_H1p0_

5 күн бұрын

@@DeskFanMan87 I think like you said it could just be chalked up to a freak accident and a case of bullying gone too far. I think that TakeCakeBear's black accessories were an attempt to distance Fredbear from the bite, "It was purple hat fredbear who did it, black hat fredbear would never" in the limbo period before Freddy's was set to open. The black accessories were probably based on the old "70s Freddy" we see in SB and Ruin. It also explains why Golden Freddy's hat and bow tie are black and not purple So for me it goes: Black Accessory Fredbear -> Purple Accessory Fredbear -> Bite of 87 tarnishes Fredbear's reputation -> Back to Black Accessory Fredbear, who's basically just Golden Freddy My Midnight Motorist views don't actually effect any of this because they're not the most orthodox. I currently believe there's tons of evidence that Gabriel was the runaway during the MCI lmao

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

@@_H1p0_ I like the hat timeline a lot. Also, haven’t we talked on twitter? I swear I knew I recognized you. If not imma look stupid but yeah, I’m definitely with you on midnight motorist being around the MCI. Who its exactly about, pshhh I dunno, either Gabriel, Andrew, or someone else. Honestly legitimately hoping the new racer game ties more into it. It won’t but a guy can dream.

@_H1p0_

5 күн бұрын

@@DeskFanMan87 Yeah we did!

@_H1p0_

3 күн бұрын

wait bo83 not 87 lmao

Honestly I dont even car if I end up agreeing with your theories. I just love hearing them, keep em coming and I'll keep watching them.

@DeskFanMan87

2 күн бұрын

@@emerson-biggons7078 that means a lot, I try to make sure the presentation is always nice for these vids so I really appreciate the support 😁

(New sub for your) I actually approve with this theory I think it seems right seeing more evidence I assume when chica in ucn saying “I was the first I have seen everything” maybe she can be the first animatronic or the first of the missing children’s incident but all wells they are all theory’s nice video.❤

I think midnight motorist tells us if cc or charlie die first. Due to “later that night” in the files, it seems to be the night charlie died. It just depends if you believe cc is the runaway or lump of dirt in the woods. Personally I think michael is the runaway and cc is dead, and responsible for the footprints, but it could go either way.

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

It could depend on that, but what if I don’t even believe Mustard Man is William 👀

@0celot9

Күн бұрын

Thats an interesting idea, I would like to see what you think the minigame is about.

I like your interpretation, but I disagree on Afton "putting CC back together". That line has a different color, and I believe that indicates that the one speaking is in fact Cassidy. I think the minigames where we play as CC are Cassidy watching through his memories, to figure out what happened, after he pulls CC's spirit into Golden Freddy with him. Or Cassidy maybe died /before/ CC, and speaks to him as William is pulling the plug on his life support after he's been comatose for a while. (This is why Mike is saying sorry. They've gone to the hospital and made the choice to take him off support after he doesn't wake up for a long time. This is Mike's goodbye to his brother, and William's. Then we hear the noise of the heart monitor going out.) I think Cassidy was likely William's first test subject, especially since the implication is that Cassidy was springlocked, likely in that spare Fredbear suit we see in the backroom in the CC minigames. Whether that's Cassidy's hair sticking out or just wires, that's likely the suit Cassidy eventually died in. This has been floating around in my head for a while and I don't know how well I'm putting it into words but if anyone has any questions, I'll elaborate.

@DeskFanMan87

Күн бұрын

@@sworishina I agree with you that the minigames in 4 are Cassidy watching memories of CC. That will be in my video whenever I cover the fredbear plush identity. I don’t think that the final speaker is William either, I think generally being put back together is a thing many people have said, Michael Brooks in the fourth closet, Michael Afton in sister location, and the fredbear plush. So yeah I was referencing the final line but I didn’t mean to imply William actually said it, totally get why it’s being taken that way though. I still think the line is along William’s intent, but he doesn’t say those lines. The way I’ve started to view the plush is this: think about how 4 starts. It’s in a black void with the fredbear plush and then the final scene (besides the box) is plush in black void with CC. We’re starting the game from CC’s perspective, then ending the game we get the side profile. I think we see the beginning of their interactions in FNAF World, the opening is when they first meet, FNAF 4 is then going through the memories, then plush leaves to put CC back together properly, by helping him pass on. The clock events happen in World, Happiest Day happens, and CC moves on. Anyway I don’t wanna spoil more of my theory, but I appreciate the comment, nice to see other people thinking the same thing about 4 being revisited memories, it’s reassuring I’m maybe on the right track lol.

i really like the presentation of this even tho i dont agree with 20% this i really like how you used the 8-bit to show and tell at the same time

It’s Evan dying making William kill so it’s Evan da crying boi

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

I shall now forever refer to CC as “da crying boi” because it’s really funny

this guy deserves more subs!

Hey, LOVE your vid I just have a desagreement with the placement of the bite. Curse of Dredbear heavely implies that something related to crying child happened in October or in the fall, and uh, here's something you didn't took a look properly. Who is Fredbear Plush? Yeah William, SL prooves it, blah blah blah, but outside William, who is Plushbear? Like- we see him be a flower, a reference to IT (be in a sewer) and literally teleport. He's not an imaginary friend, we literally see him in SL, so, what if he's possessed? Not by charlie, but by an agony entity. What if Plushbear is Shadow Freddy? like- not necesarily being created by CC, but by Charlie. Also, Freddy's is really implied to have opened AFTER Fredbear's closed, and that's confirmed by the Charlie Trilogy. My timeline goes something like this: 1983 * William, out of jealusy, kills Charlie - Halloween * the agony of Charlie creates Shadow Freddy, and mixed with the wickedness of William he starts being a mirror to him * SF ends up in Plushbear a doll of CC * William notices that Charlie possesses Puppet - a few days after her death * William creates the Nightmare chambers in his house * CC is in the nightmare chambers (that's what he saw) * FNaF 4 Minigames - early Winter - BO83 * CC dies in the hospital (I don't know where you got that he was sent to his home) * Michael is placed in the nightmare chambers 1985 * William creates CBPW * Elizabeth dies * CBPW is cancelled * MCI - June 26th * Freddy's Closes * CBEAR is created and opened! * Michael is set free of the chambers 'cuz they were moved into the bunker of CBEAR * William creates a springlock suit to kill the kids of the chambers * William creates the Scooper to use their remnant and inject it into the funtimes (shattering Elizabeth too) :b

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

I have…thoughts about the plush I’ll put out there one day, same for shadow Freddy, but I will address the whole summer vs fall setting. I agree there’s a lot of weird connections to 1983 and Halloween, but currently I see a lot of that more as something attributed to fall fest. Maybe it ties more into 4, dreadbear himself and the house being there are kinda hard to ignore as evidence points, but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see with whatever they come out with next. Then there’s the whole “4 was gonna release on Halloween originally” and the dlc it got really tying it more that way. But for me it’s this, I don’t think Charlie can die at Fredbear’s and it still be open before crying child’s death. The repeated theme of “children die--> close down” is hard for me to ignore. CC can be the exception because it was actually an accident. Here’s an off the top of my head compromise on that, just push the bite to early October/late September. Overall I like your timeline though, and we totally line up when it comes to sister location. Last thing is CC being brought home was creative license, it can still take place in an hospital it doesn’t really affect much. I kinda went with it because of “The Real Jake” not cus of the parallel thing or whatever, I’m not even gonna touch that, it’s just that there’s precedent for that kind of thing to happen in the series.

yes!! yes yes yeeees, im so glad this vid popped up on my feed, i spent the Entire video just going "EX👏AACT👏LYYYY" bahaha, dude- you got you a sub 👌 gotta check out your other vids now. the animations for the presentation of the story are smoooove too!

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

I’m glad people are liking that part, definitely took the longest to make out of the whole thing. There’s snippets of similar stuff in my other vids but not nearly as refined, I was learning still.

i appreciate the honesty bro

it all makes more logical sense to me in a professional way. tbh i wish scott would have just came out and said it a long time ago, but i don't even think he remembers now. the hole thing gives me vibes of oh i want to make a lot of money, so every time a plot hole gets pointed out re write the story so that we can work that in. which has a certain charm to it, but eventually its like just end it man.

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

Eh, I’m kinda grateful, I’m sure we’ll have an answer one day but I have a lot of fun overthinking this stuff at the moment 😅

dont even think the order truly matters at this point with these two but i still strongly belive charlie is first than bv and i still belive that physcic friend freadbear is possesed by puppet while also being use by william to spy on his kid l( i mean if golden freddy is possed by two souls why wont the plush be usued by the main forced of good and the main force of evil in the seires) or at the very least this is howi think it was meant to be in the orginal story (fnaf 1 - 3 and then fnaf 1 -4 since both were considered the final games when they were announced, good times ) and since the old games werent updated since then if that was changed i thinks its practically impossible to tell at this point

In my opinion, I don’t think The Puppet was at FredBear’s since he’s always at a Freddy’s location, as shown in F.N.A.F.2 and F.N.A.F.6 (Security Puppet). So the Give Cake would happen at Freddy’s not, FredBear’s.

First time seeing evidence of Charlie dying in Autumn . 3:00

The puppet had a twin and we just didn't know this I wish we read the books why didn't Henry mention this

@DeskFanMan87

2 күн бұрын

I don’t think Sammy is in the games, but it would be cool if he did ever show up. I think he’s solely a Silver Eyes trilogy character though.

i love this theory! 😄

Your my fav old fnaf theorist

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

Thanks, I hope to keep it up😁

Does cassette man confirm that Save Him and Green Wrist Band are the same event??

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

Yes, at the end during his speech both images flash back to back and are referred to under the same event. I guess he TECHNICALLY doesn’t say “hey that game and this one are the same” but it’s basically 99.99 percent confirmation

It’s definitely Charlie in my opinion It’s basically been confirmed at this point William doesn’t give a shit about his kids So he’s just pure evil. So he killed Charlie and then kidnaps Andrew, the midnight motors kid for the nightmare experiments Then the crying child dies after that

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

Well we definitely agree on who physically dies first. I didn’t include Andrew in this video. I do think the books are mostly in the same continuity, don’t worry, I have a reason for not putting him here just yet.

@Sonicmid

5 күн бұрын

@@DeskFanMan87 that’s great to hear

@SirStendar

5 күн бұрын

andrew is not canon in cames, and how do you explain the footsteps outside? why would "andrew" be sorry when he comes back if hes been kidnap? why would the name be "later that night"

@Sonicmid

3 күн бұрын

@@SirStendarwrong Here’s all the evidence Andrews the vengeful spirit . The menu of UCN is controlled by the spirit they crank up the AI this already shows that GF and toysnhk are separate entities. Proof of this is that there’s multiple occasions where spirit makes other spirit, more aggressive or calmer Golden Freddy in Fnaf 2 cutscenes makes chica and Bonnie more aggressive .William makes Andrew more aggressive in the epilogues .Also in the movie William seems to make the animatronics more aggressive there as well. According to Vanessa, he influences their behavior. “ the kids don’t want to hurt anyone it’s him he influences them somehow” And William quite literally revives the animatronics all of them get back up when he tells them to . Toy chica, anime cut scenes actually kill 7 people in the first there’s already a foxy hook, which likely represents Charlie (It’s also important to that the deaths are out of order but it’s mainly meant to show that William killed six kids with one he killed before Freddy’s) . Andrew’s representative is the puppet and is the 7th victim. This also indirectly confirms that he’s the midnight motorist kid due to the fact that toy chica does exactly what happens in that mini game . In the give gives give life recreation in ruin with glamrock Bonnie, there’s actually 6 wet floor, one outside area the area before entering and already deactivated, . Fnaf 6 as a poster of the hospital William gets sent to in the man in room 1280 meaning that it’s canon . The bear of vengeance is about William kids before the Fnaf 4 mini games Foxy is Mike Freddy is bite victim Mangle is Elizabeth as a reference to the toy in her room in Fnaf 4 . Into the pit is 100% canon at this point due to it getting another book which is a sequel to the week before which is confirmed to be canon and it also getting its own game . Void cut scene has classic golden Freddy but he’s not in UCN and it’s in the void like the Fnaf 4 box . Into the pit graphic novel shows that there are 6 kids 4 boys 2 girls (it’s also stated in the book, however graphic novel confirms it was not a mistake It is factual.) . Custom night is the 7 night and ucn is the 7 game so logically the 7 victim who would be the one who creates it . There’s 7 graves in Fnaf world next to purple guy implying their kids he killed. . In curse of dread bear, there is 8 graves surrounding Williams grave. (the 8 is tape girl while glitch trap isn’t William He thinks he is so he considers his kills on the same level as William) . Chica and mangle treat the one you should not have killed as a rarity like nobody has seen them before which doesn’t work for golden Freddy because they are literally a team. Chica was there when golden Freddy was born. And shown interacting with him in the Fnaf 2 opening cutscenes and mangle is literally influenced by them. (there’s an Easter egg in mangle fnaf 2 file with golden Freddy titled “yellow”) . Chica and mangle know the one you should not have killed it because they’re in the vents with him which means it can’t be golden Freddy because they never seen him before. . Golden Freddy and the one you should have killed her at the same location at the same time so they can’t be the same. . It said that he’s here and always watching implying he’s in every level of UCN Meanwhile, you can turn off golden Freddy anytime. . Ruin shows that the omc 100% happened as there’s multiple references to it .toysnhk is implied to not be participating in the torture he just watches. This is also further implied by nightmare Freddy “I am remade” he remade them just so he could watch William suffer . Golden Freddy actively tries to kill Afton. That’s not watching that’s participating. . By putting golden Freddy on 1 and using the death coin transforms them into Fredbear. “ 1 you should not have killed” however I believe this is meant to show the method Andrew dies by a springlock. . In the void cutscene golden Freddy is twitching just like spring trap in the Fnaf 3 cut scene . The void cutscene has Fnaf 1 golden Freddy, but he’s not in ucn main game he’s just in the void . Andrew was meant to parallel William strange way, so it could be possible that he died getting springlock. . The one you should not have killed voice is heard in the back of the mediocre melodies. Meanwhile, we hear FredBear’s voice and it’s literally just a bunch of distorted dialogue implying it different. . Scott himself confirmed that the one you should not have killed his male as he said, he used his son “Jason” as the picture for him. Cassidy is 100% a girl as proven the the fourth closet and the into the pit graphic novel . Nightmare, an entity tied to the Nightmare experiments stats that "THE SHADOW FEARS ME". . In the man in room 1280 Andrew is also referred to as a shadow meaning that yes nightmares talking about him . Mangle say “ and always watching” implying he’s not actually a part of the torment where golden Freddy is literally an opponent. . Toysnok and golden Freddy are treated as separate character. Toysnok is more of an Easter egg character. He appears rarely in game over screens. He also hides in the vents further adding to mangle statement of him always watching . Fred Bear’s voice by Kellen Goff while the one you should not have killed his voice by Tabatha skanes . The one you should not have killed uses the mediocre melodies to talk through characters golden Freddy/Cassidy has absolutely no connection to at all (you could argue happiest day, but they don’t really match up) . Andrew possesses William so him using the mediocre melodies makes sense as he doesn’t actually have an animatronic vessel (well not until William blows up) (Why wouldn’t they have the same voice if they were the same entity)

@SirStendar

3 күн бұрын

@@Sonicmid counter point, Andrew is not a thing in the games

Willly wonderland shirt

@Lunablues23

5 күн бұрын

Also did you make the herry sprite?

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

@@Lunablues23made the Henry, Charlie, and Freddy sprite.

I love fanfics 💜🤎💛

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

Ya gotta do what ya gotta do sometimes 😅🤷‍♂️

okay this title is sick

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

I try to be honest lol

👾

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

🎶 smashing windshields intensifies 🎶

Take cake obviously in FNAF 2 restaurant and in party room, look at that small room. Also Puppet moved from different restaurant are fans made up theory and no proof or anything that show Puppet ever in Family diner.

@echothesilent4693

5 күн бұрын

A common argument against what you say is that the playable version of Freddy in the mini game isn't toy Freddy. It's stated the withered gang never got repaired for a chance to perform at the fnaf2 location (reference phone guy call in fnaf2) so it can't be withered Freddy. It may not be at Fredbear's, but likely not in the f2 restaurant unless years before (pre original closing that allows for the fnaf 2 gameplay restaurant to be a grand reopening instead of an original opening).

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

Something I wish I put in the video as evidence for puppet coming from Fredbear’s is actually the paper pals in FNAF 2. A rabbit, a bear, and a humanoid with lanky limbs. I think that’s pretty strong. Take cake in general is very stylized, we don’t see the puppet box but FNAF 6 shows there was one, overall take cake is less reliable. Hope you liked the rest of the vid at least, I appreciate critiques tho 👍

@josuawhite2209

5 күн бұрын

@@DeskFanMan87 Charlotte die in Family Diner also just a theory based on Charlie kidnapped in book. There's no hard proof saying security puppet mini game in FNAF6 as Family Diner. Take cake deny it with brown bear. The Lefty scene just show connection about Lefty and Charlotte. Car track and trash can doesnt mean the minigame happen there, it just show extra info like poster around Scraptrap.

@josuawhite2209

5 күн бұрын

@@echothesilent4693 it's toy Freddy, he have advanced mobility and great finger to grab stuff. Not even normal freddy springsuit can serve cake, its pretty dangerous.

Wait… kids died in fnaf???

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

Why did I laugh at this?😂

This is such a based video! I love it. I'm not sure about MikeExperiment that you seem to imply, but I love the storytelling either way! I actually made up a theory that the reason Fredbear's didn't close was because of the Crying Child not being dead yet, and instead Charlie's death causes Fredbear's to close, the Crying Child dying the day after her death. Though the only problem I have with your timeline is the placement of CC's death. It feels like he died soon after the bite from the severe brain damage, which ultimately would place his death before Charlie's, not just the bite. The reason why I don't believe the theory anymore is because of that fact, so I would place both the bite and his death in Summer 1983, then Charlie's death October 31st 1983, Elizabeth in 1984 or 1985(before MCI) and MCI June 26th 1985.

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

Yeah him living so long is the major stretch, but I needed a reason for William to somehow know about possession already by the time he dies, so I kinda tried my best to make it work. I think narratively it works nicely but there is admittedly no solid in game evidence for that.

nah Elizabeth died first

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

Respect the bluntness lol

@FnaftheUltimateking2

4 күн бұрын

@@DeskFanMan87 but i don't understand William motive it's complicated everything in the time line if the crying child died first then what about the empty room and what the crying child saw if Elizabeth died first then what about William motive of creating circus baby

@0celot9

4 күн бұрын

@FnaftheUltimateking2 I think Elizabeth first is interesting, especially with the nightmare fredbear stomach mouth and remember what you saw, but I just can’t believe it because of motivations not working for william.

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

@@FnaftheUltimateking2 I don’t think the empty room is meaning that the occupant needs to be be dead, she could just be at daycare or anywhere else. I dunno if you’ve seen my Sister Location video but I think I make a good case for her dying after Charlie and CC, but before the MCI.

@FnaftheUltimateking2

4 күн бұрын

@@0celot9 I finally believed that Elizabeth died first it's because i saw a video about it it's proved to me that circus baby never developed to kill people when Elizabeth death it was mistake by non other then Henry he made circus baby with William after all he made the scooper thing to kill by incident with angry he was angry and remember baby endoskeleton it's the MIMIC he mimic Henry bad doing and then killed Elizabeth

Audio and Video out of sink in first 10 seconds. Literally unwatchable.

@DeskFanMan87

4 күн бұрын

😂Oh trust me I know, something got messed up in the final edit and with the music I couldn’t fix it without just remaking the whole intro. Thankfully the pain is quick😅

give up, fnaf lore is cooked.

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

🍳 🥞

dude trying to solve things that should be solved since 2015. are you serious?? were never gonna get any anwser cuz scott YES. just give up.

@DeskFanMan87

5 күн бұрын

It’s just for fun man, just a game.