I definitely wanna know how you guys feel about what I have to say. And please, when responding to other people, especially the ones commenting respectfully, REPLY RESPECTFULLY. Otherwise yall are just proving the point I made. Love yall

@DocQ-bumi218

9 күн бұрын

I agree with all your points. Especially the industry part of it

@RENDRAGNAYKKYANGARDNER

9 күн бұрын

I agree with all your points. I hope more people can see this video.

@Goku-m7t

9 күн бұрын

I Agree Man With Everything you Said in this Video man

@endahardman

9 күн бұрын

Bro you took the words outta my mouth

@scrappy5833

9 күн бұрын

This video was straight facts

You forgot the people that complained about Cody’s title reign in the FIRST WEEK

@lorenzana9668

9 күн бұрын

For me it’s about….. What Comes Next? I always look forward to a WWE Championship match. No matter what.

@TTV-Trixzy

9 күн бұрын

Fax it was so annoying because all the people that were complaining I feel like all wanted Cody to win then they complain straight away and didn’t give it a chance

@ProfessionalWreslingFan

8 күн бұрын

Fax like he literally cut a promo and that’s it, like did you expect him to run a 60 minute iron man match with solo the next day?

@P3TER_Official23

8 күн бұрын

People switched from "We want Cody" to "We want Roman" real quick after the title changed hands

@aaroncampbell9102

8 күн бұрын

Facts

One of my women friends once told me that the reason a lot of women like to sexualize themselves is because they like to look sexy while kicking ass and she compared to when men like to look bloody and scarred during a fight because it makes them look bad ass

@Schnirt

8 күн бұрын

That's lowkey kinda pathetic

@nkatekolebuso6143

8 күн бұрын

​@@SchnirtU just proved the point made about respecting people's opinions

@kittypryde571

8 күн бұрын

@@Schnirt How is it pathetic? Are you just an incel?

@CaptainKG23

8 күн бұрын

@@nkatekolebuso6143how did he disrespect his comment?

@wrestlingcaws17

7 күн бұрын

I guess that's one way to look at it and that's actually a fun way of seeing things

I firmly agree with this. I also hate this whole tribalism thing. Wrestling is wrestling. We should enjoy it all.

daniel bryan said it best, "FICKLE, THEYRE FICKLE!!!" in his promo

@uflstallions_dynasty

8 күн бұрын

Was just thinking about that the other day lol 😂

Wrestling's biggest problem has always been the fans. We're toxic, misogynistic, disrespectful, close minded, enablers and the whole tribalism thing is embarrassing af. Maybe if the community got better and we were allowed to have respectful conversations, give constructive criticism and were able to call people out on their stuff without being sent death threats, maybe then it could get better, maybe then people like Vince wouldn't feel so comfortable taking advantage of people or feel so comfortable playing god. Maybe then. But overall I agree with everything you're saying dude, this was a great video👍

I remember when jade Cargill botched the springboard at clash of the castle she got tons of hate but when breakker botched a move the next week on raw everyone just said it was OK because he was learning 😭 Obviously none of these people deserve hate for botching, my point is just how womens wrestlers get viewed differently to the men.

@harrymaguire5740

8 күн бұрын

I am not trying to defend the Jade hate but tbf it was on a bigger stage and WWE is painting her as one of the faces of the women's division. I myself have not heard the excuse that it is ok for Bron as he is learning but rather that he never messes up and always puts on great matches, so one botch is ok. Jade has been messing up and botching quite a bit before leading into that match and that botch was just the thing that drove fans over the edge. Bron is what he is made to look like where Jade is close, but not there yet. I also want to say I think the hate for Jade is stupid and we should not hate on her at all and I wish her all the best (I am actually a big fan of hers) but I just wanted to put some things into perspective. There is a major problem with wrestling fans hating a lot more on women then men for the same things but I think this case was a bit (not fully) different although still definitely wrong.

@toxiczombiewolf5692

5 күн бұрын

Fr because they change it to be more fair for women any time they mess up they get shamed far mire then the men. You see it it everywhere

@_Xds_

4 күн бұрын

There's a reason people look past Brons botch and not jades and it's not cause she's a woman lol. If u can't see the obvious difference in talent between the 2, one was at a ppv, one was at raw. Obviously the one on raw is gonna get a lot let less spotlight

@Kyle-fe8ul

3 күн бұрын

@@harrymaguire5740

The storyline with Liv Morgan is something we can’t criticize too heavily because we don’t know how this was set up. We don’t know if Liv came up with the idea, we don’t know how much control Liv has over this story. In a time of all of this social media, if Liv wasn’t comfortable with what she was doing then it would’ve been reported already. I do think there should have been a different route on this storyline but we don’t know all if the behind the scenes to be criticizing too much.

@Smallafro

9 күн бұрын

You’re absolutely right. I even said I can’t speak on how comfortable certain people are doing certain things, I can only talk from my perspective

@user-lp9ly7ot4n

8 күн бұрын

@@Smallafroto touch back on the womens part i kinda agree with you its okay to have a mix of hot women plus wrestling but when all i see on wwe tv and twitter is who is gonna have to tits or ass out, who is gonna have the biggest butt and it takes away from the wrestling like no hate but lola vice , her promo skills are meh but she screams im a latina and shakes ass now everyone loves her, i dont mind it but i would rather watch more than just ass yk?

@McQuicky310

7 күн бұрын

Dom's wife probably don't like it

@toxiczombiewolf5692

5 күн бұрын

​@McQuicky310 they probably had a conversation pretty sure liv is still in an irl relationship too

@thomasklein8564

5 күн бұрын

@@Smallafro exactly and I respect the perspective because it’s definitely getting a little over the top and the most recent match she had with Zelina wasn’t about the wrestling it was about the moment in the match where Dom fell on Liv.

Wrestling is just like that one addicting thing that sometime when it's at its lowest you want to just stop quit watching it, (*Ahem 2018-2019 RAW) but you just come back to it cause that's what your insticts tell you, It's part of your life that you can't just get rid of that easily, No matter it's state. And also definitely agree that not having an opinion is major reason for this.

@adsavage1276

9 күн бұрын

Agree

@jeffreyjohnson3179

8 күн бұрын

Was gonna like this but then it got 69 likes and now it has to stay that way

@RussellMcCabe

6 күн бұрын

​@@jeffreyjohnson3179 It's over 69 now my boy, you can like now 🙏🏻

OK, when the section about women's wrestling came up, I was wondering where this was going to go; also, it's cool that you put over the NXT Women's Division, which is one of the highlights of the show. There's so much depth in that women's division to the point where you can have a midcard title for the NXT women and go "Yeah, that makes sense" but actually mean it, instead of it being sarcastic.

@tayfuncoban7773

9 күн бұрын

current nxt womens division is the best division i have ever seen anywhere ever thats crazy and all of them are so young as well if they actually care abaout them we will see some bangers after bangers on the main roster for the next decade

The first part is just kinda life, any industry, movies, music etc.

@Smallafro

9 күн бұрын

Yep. It being the norm does not make it good

Once I became a fan. Wrestling is my life. Nothing comes close to WWE and Wrestling. No one carries Stars for decades like WWE does. People still talk trash like they can keep everything interesting all year long and decade. Bad or good, Wrestling is the best.

@cmproductions1217

8 күн бұрын

yes that may be true but think about all the disgusting things that go on backstage

I'm 24 yet i started watching wrestling since 2010-2011 so I've been a fan for about 14 years. It changed so much, it had it's ups and downs but finally i can say im enjoying wrestling again in this Triple H era.

I mostly agree with this video but saying "WWE and AEW know that men only watch womens wrestling because of their looks" is such a bad take. Yes the clips that go viral are of Lola Vice and Jaida Parker being hot but it's not like people are switching the channel to see some ass. NXT has had a growth but it's been a consistent growth because of how good the product is. Eva Marie is one of the hottest women to ever step in to a ring period. Her in-ring work didn't even work in the divas era, by 2016 with Charlotte, Sasha, Naomi, Bliss she felt like a relic of the late 90s. If AEW "knew how much men loved womens wrestling" they'd probably feature them more but they don't,

I don't have a problem with the Liv Morgan/Dom thing because it's one thing. It's not like back in the 2000s when every single Women's storyline had to be a love triangle or a romance angle. You don't see Iyo Sky or Bianca Belair being injected into a romance storyline with let's just say Austin Theory for example. That's literally the type of stuff they'd do on a weekly basis in the early 2000s where it got to the point that Trish Stratus was basically with every member of the men's roster at one point in time. Having one or two storylines in like this at one time is okay but I don't think we should revert back to where Lita was with Edge, Torrie Wilson with Tajiri, Stacy Keibler with Randy Orton and Trish Stratus with Christian like it literally was every single week during the ruthless aggression era.

@g.o.a.t.8168

8 күн бұрын

If Liv never said was going to take everything or if there was no easter eggs the last 2 months of her involvement with Dom & Finn & she just suddenly kissed Dom that would be a problem cz it doesn't make sense & it's just a desperate attempt for shock factor.

The way to described the fanbase, i think thats just twitter😂, most wrestling fans irl arent like that, and yes some people arent on social media all day(casuals) like my friend has been a wrestling fan for 10 years and every time i tell him about a rumor he asks where i got it from(he doesnt have twitter fsr)

See i had this weird revelation a while back because i see a bunch of people online getting upset that wrestlers vote this way, or support this, or act like this. it just came to a point where i say "once you realize everyone in the business is probably a terrible person, you save yourself a lot of trouble" because its not EXACTLY true, but its got a decent success rate 😭 and then at the same time its probably very similar if not worse in other industries (hello Hollywood) so if you cant trust the wrestling industry, then you probably cant trust much else, and then you cant trust shit 💀so i just still be watching cuz i love it

@StevenWatters

8 күн бұрын

Welp, I'm going to Daytona, bye Hollywood. 😒

13:20 Sol Ruca: moveset consists of high flying type moves like crossbody, springboards like clothlines, sentons etc Lola vice: she somewhat like Shayna, mix of striking/submission, like she has a back fist, spinning overhead kick like Mickie James mick kick, a leg submission, takedowns etc Jaida Parker (yeah lowkey this one is actually hard): she more of a brawler and a lot of her moveset involves her ass, like her finisher is kinda like Naomi but she uses the side instead, she does a sit down ass splash to the stomach (no idea what’s it called), powerslam, takedown, etc (again most her moveset is ass related)

@TheSupinesmokey

5 күн бұрын

Naomi hasn't used the Rear view as a regular finisher in nearly 10 years , that's more of a signature move at this point she wins most matches with the split leg moonsault, Jaida only has two moves she does here involve her booty,

@BigRion16

5 күн бұрын

@@TheSupinesmokey Naomi uses rear view, split leg moonsault, and rings of Saturn submission as her finishers

This video does a great job in highlighting the issues with pro wrestling as a whole and issues which SHOULD BE TALKED ABOUT WAY MORE BY THE WAY. However, I will never 'hate' wrestling for these things. I dont know how to describe it perfectly but it's like once you get invested in wrestling as much as me and I assume most of you reading this have, it's hard to just stop watching. It's like a weird addiction, I just love wrestling man.

I've been watching for 42 years now. Here's my pro tip: Log off of pro wrestling social media and just watch the product.

If I had to play the drinking game anytime I saw a female wrestler with tight shorts and a belt placed under their cheeks I'd have liver failure. I still remember Mandy Rose ushering in that look. And there was an interview where Athena AKA Ember Moon said she left the company because the producers told her to "dress sexy like Mandy Rose." Now damn near every women's wrestler is sporting the belts under the buttcheeks.

I’ll speak for myself. In the midst of everything that was said here (which I agreed with), the reason why I stay invested in professional wrestling is for moments like Cody Rhodes finishing the story. Moments and stories like this, I get emotionally invested and brought into it to a point where I’m in tears of joy. I can leave all the issues of the industry and the internet at the door if only for a little bit.

Spitting nothing but facts! Nobody hates hates wrestling more than professional wrestling fans, it’s a shame

I get what you’re saying, but to me if it has nothing to do with me personally I try to not care. Also ive never hated or disliked wrestling but one thing that has increased my enjoyment was laying off the insider scrolls, and reporter channels like I used to Ryan wretsltalk or culatholic video and know everything but I knew everything that was happening and was gonna come, irl and in ring- these days I barely watch those channels I feel more engaged with the sport and excited to watch it. Yeah I hear and see things in social media it’s inevitable but trying to know as little of what’s going on backstage helps I love this sport

I think one of the things that help me in my fandom of anything really, is kind of keeping myself at a little bit of a distance. I love pro wrestling, and I have for my entire life….but I don’t watch weekly wrestling. I like watching matches and watching matches with others, but I don’t watch the weekly shows. I think one of the issues in terms of fandom, is people who kind of base their whole identities around a promotion and feel that anything else is inferior and an insult to them. There are pockets of good stuff and good conversations out there, but that’s with so many fandoms in general. I’m also a massive comic book fan, and there’s a lot of shit in that industry and especially that fan base. Just gotta figure out where the boundaries are.

I saw the Bull Dempsey part and just reminded me of how badass that dude was/is he’s awesome

Smallafro: Who doesn’t have Twitter Me: I don’t

@Njyboss

8 күн бұрын

Neither do I I’ll never will

@user-kb7be2jt7u

8 күн бұрын

Well, clearly you do have KZread which he said a second later

My answer to the NXT Women's moves is no i can't name any, but it's because I really only watch NXT PLE's and not week-to-week

@harrymaguire5740

8 күн бұрын

tbf tho Lola Vice and Jaida Parker were not great examples because for the most part, they have very generic move sets but I was able to name some of their moves but for you I would not worry about it.

Dude i loved watching this, you are very passionate about this and i respect it. Great Job Jarren

This is why i watch u. U keep it 100. I agree with everything u said and ESPECIALLY ur take on having your own opinion.

thank you so much for making this video. i hope that people actually listen to this and check themselves.

I agree lot of those wrestlers wouldn’t be there if it weren’t for Vince McMahon. But sometimes you have to let go of the things that you love if they’re bad for you and everybody else

Great video man it feels really good seeing someone saying there own apinion

Love that you did this video. Appreciate the honesty and glad that you wish to nurture a community that respects each other

i agree for the most part on the women’s wrestling part but at the same time the women themselves are sexualizing themselves you can’t criticize people for sexualizing them when they do it themselves

Trust me this is gonna be controversial

I get where you're coming from mate. The business and the fans make it hard to defend. And truthfully the compulsion to walk away from it does exist. I did learn something new though, I wasn't aware Vince Russo had a fan base. Great video

I see the talent in the ring of women’s wrestlers not their body But you opened my eyes on how insane the wrestling industry really is

I say this knowing that your literal job is to be plugged into what's going on with the business, and so this may not be fully realistic... I think that occasionally unplugging and staying off social media/out of the wrestling fandom is extremely important. A lot of my frustrations with the business are at their worst when I'm constantly having wrestling discourse thrown in my face. I love wrestling so much more when I just watch the TV shows as a fan, and don't pay attention to the discussion surrounding them. Even a week away can do wonders. Also, as someone who works in my local indies as a camera guy, your assessment of the industry is accurate. I have zero interest in being an actual performer in the business at this point because it's just politics and weird backstage dynamics and breaking your body for not much in return... which sucks. I'm good behind the camera. Keep doing what you do, my man.

Not that it has to matter, but in my opinion you articulated yourself great and got your point across insanely well. There will always be people who view things differently and might get mad at your opinion but in my eyes you handled this topic amazing and I hope you do more videos like this

You know shit is real when it’s a 27 minute video

Though these topics were very hard to discuss (especially the women’s wrestling part) I know you have great intentions wuth this video. I’m just now starting my own KZread journey in this space of pro wrestling and I know all the feelings you’re talking about here. Great video.

Almost lost him with that bump

I thought at first this was a 30 minute Reddit video and I got hyped BUT this is a well put together and very well explained video ❤

Hey Jarren, on the women's wrestling topic usually on Cage match you will hear good things about women's wrestling usually and people rate matches and many other things. A lot of the people on there talk about how fun some of the women's matches are instead of looking at them in a weird way.

This is my 11th year as a wrestling fan

@trenton6954

8 күн бұрын

13 for me

@collinzcruel4190

8 күн бұрын

Going into year 10 come Royal rumble

Lola Vice that Backfist & that Spin Kick & Jaida Parker idk 🤣

dude. you're the man. this video rules. great job.

The attitude era is kinda the blueprint for whats happening now if you think about it. We all saw how bad PG stuff was. So its like the business doesnt want to go back to that. The internet just makes it all more of a dumpster fire because it didnt propely exist back in the 90s

Welp boys, time to switch to NASCAR, and other sports out there. 😂😂 Love the video btw. ❤

I fully agree what you had to say. I think toxicity of the industry has definitely increased with social media especially as some fans get carried away whether it’s their obsession over a specific wrestler(there’s a difference between looking up to someone and being so obsessed over someone that they and their family members/friends don’t feel safe leaving their home) or overthinking of wrestling. I do get that we’re all passionate about wrestling and we all have an opinion but you cross the line if you’re attacking wrestlers online, sending them creepy dms, stalking them at airports, spreading false info about them or trying to get them to lose their job. As some wrestlers have often said that these horrible things said to them online they would never hear in person or at meet and greets. The people say these things to them are basically protected by their computer, and phone but fail to realize that the wrestlers receiving the comments are people too just like the rest of us. They’re living their dream just like everyone else in the world is trying to do. The same goes for wrestling content creator they’re people too and don’t send them creepy dms. I used to never post on social media about wrestling because I didn’t want people to know that I was a wrestling fan because of all the negativity I would see online. Over my years being a fan I’ve slowly started posting on social media my enjoyment of wrestling and have gotten to a point where I don’t take wrestling seriously I’m just here for the ride and hope everyone is successful and treated correctly. Also it shouldn’t matter which company you’re a fan of. It’s all under the same category which is wrestling. Just have fun,be positive,have a great day!

13:23 Lola's backfist is a cool move

My biggest gripe with the fans is all the cursing chants. Yelling "STFU" with little kids around

@NOTC_V

2 күн бұрын

they bought a ticket so they could chant what ever they want to chant... guy!

@GroupConglomerate

2 күн бұрын

@@NOTC_V correct bud! Doesn't change my opinion lol.

@joshuaelder8983

10 сағат бұрын

Do you have a gripe with wrestlers swearing? It makes it fell more real and is better than chanting "can you please be quiet" also people bleed and hit each other, they are inappropriate for some children.

I hope more people see this, great video

Well spoken on the IWC part.

Excellent video with great points everyone should watch this

Just Wait Till This Gets A Million Views

Something that kind of pisses me off is that when a beloved wrestler dies, almost the ENTIRE IWC are on the same page for atleast a DAY and a half, saying how that wrestler impacted their lives before going back to comparing AEW and WWE's ratings. Like, genuinely WHY can't it be like that all the time. Just talking about positive things about our common interest instead of arguing about whether MJF is a bigger main event draw than Cody Rhodes or some dumb shit like that. And yeah, the fact that most of the IWC will either hype up a talent until said talent gets pushed or wait until people they don't like botch something so they can say how they're the worst wrestler ever is such dogshit. There were literally people calling Sami Zayn "Super Zayn" after winning against Bron and its only been 3 MONTHS since he won the title.

He keeps on making BANGER AFTER BANGER AFTER BANGER videos!!!

@Ash-x9m

8 күн бұрын

Burger after burger

See, I am a huge wrestling fan, but you, especially when talking about women’s wrestling and the fans, make a very strong point. I am going to Raw tomorrow, but you made me think with these points and like what you said with Truth and like, yeah, your speaking facts.

This video needs to be seen by more people

thanks for making this cuz it really makes me realize how toxic this world is and what i can do to make it better :)

Ok before I start this video brotha you said you watched wrestling for 17 years I’m bouta turn 20 in august😂

I started watching way back in the 80s with my grandma when I was a little kid. To me, 2006 was the cut-off. It's when I stopped loving it. I was talking about it with someone just yesterday. It will never be as great again as it used to be.

yo jarren thx for speaking out abt this bc a LOT of people can agree.

I'm a woman, and womans wrestling got me into the whole sport. The a women i first saw was Gigi in the indie scene, then Paige and Alexa Bliss in WWE in 2019. I grew to love the whole sport men and women. I'm glad the women got a chance to perform without the sex object storyline. I too would live to give it a try. Onecthing about wrestling rhat bothers me is that certain women are way too over sexualized and shamed for mistakes compared to the men. And how fickle the fans are with long term story telling. I can see it slowly changing for the better in HHH era but yeah. Unfortunately, a lot of fans are perverts. Ring The Belle is a great channel talking about women's wrestling only and the matches, stories and interviews. Really made me appreciate it more. Sorry for the long text hope it made sense.

Jarren can you tell when you will make your wrestling match debut

I hate smelly wrestling fans, always crying about fake fighting

Jaida parkers finisher is a hip attack and lola vice does a leg submission on their face

W small Afro he spitting the truth

The one move that Lola vice does 305 backfist

@Smallafro

9 күн бұрын

That move is genuinely insane. The one she hit on Roxanne was awesome

@RealSK2.0.

7 күн бұрын

I was thinking roundhouse kick

I've been a wrestling fan ever since I was like 10 years old watching it with my father, I never interacted with the IWC until last year, and dude, your vid actually mentioned every single problem I have with the community, especially on Twitter. from the tribalism to the weird gooning shit...thankfully I stay out of the community and only interact with like 2 or 3 people who also fans of wrestling every time there's a show and that's it. also, just wanna say based on the vinyl collection in the back u have an EXCELLENT music taste IMO Green Day, Kendrick, dua lipa, etc. all HITS

YOUR THE BEST KZreadR

By the way what happened to nikkita lyons I don't see her on nxt

@123abcDamion

21 сағат бұрын

Acl tear

The title alone is shocking

My lord brudda spoke ABSOLUTE FACTS GAH DAMN w afro

I wanted to try out wrestling for the first time and I wanted to get signed by a promotion but the industry is bad and it makes me not want to be a professional wrestler

@Johnny-fc3jb

9 күн бұрын

@@pleaseshutup7053 I know

As a fan of professional wrestling since the late 90s and a referee on the indies from 2019-2023 I back everything this man is saying. I'm actually getting ready to publish a book about my time in the industry and in one chapter I pretty much cover all the things this guy has as issues I've seen with professional wrestling. I worked for Atomic Championship Wrestling in Stevens, PA and as a Christian Straight Male I was in trouble for something most times that I posted on MY SOCIAL MEDIA page and forced to apologize. I was told on multiple occasions my ideas were stupid. This man hasn't told one lie in this entire video.

I thought about signing up for pro wrestling classes a year back. I did more research about the business, and it made me completely change my mind, lol. The only thing that appeals to me about being a pro wrestler is wearing cool outfits and being on camera. Turns out, I just want to cosplay.

People backstage complained about women doing better than the men, Jericho literally just said "Then the men need to step it up"

@heroncolby2842

4 күн бұрын

The people at the topped complained because the women (Michelle and Victoria) was stiffing punches that looked strong like the men. At that Time. So they was asked to toned it down. Here's the point a lot of people don't understand about this. There's a lot of spot's and maneuvers that are specially reserved for the top card. A lot of mid card wrestler's aren't allowed to use certain moves or even punch a certain way because it devalues the top card talent. Women at that time was the under card so they had a lot of restrictions of what they could do in the ring. Plus I don't think saying the men need to step up is good either. Because it's not about that. I also don't want to pressure women to over do it. They want to wrestle like the guy's but there's also drawbacks to that. Like more injuries and shorter career's due to injuries.

I saw this Video and thought it was a Smallafro2 Video

I HEAVILY agree with almost everything you said... and i dearly hope that this video didn't ruin professional wrestling for anybody... 😢😨

side note: i love the folklore album on the wall

just found your channel and your so funny and keep it real, keep up the content

With the women’s bit I agree especially with aew. Honestly the only person I can see who wasn’t Uber sexualized in aew was Britt

@josephthegamer157

9 күн бұрын

I don't feel that the women in wrestling have been over sexualized i think there natural beautiful i think problem is the creative that there giving and it's ok to be critical of the women division not ever thing about it is perfect there are good female wrestlers and bad female wrestlers not match is amazing nor segment but i want the division to be good

Ive been watching since 2002 and never stopped being a fan, we didnt grow up in the attitude era stage but like you said...sex sells, and you right now you have waaaayy more talented females for looks and can wrestle than you did back than, I can name literally like 4 they back than, idk if you're afraid that the attitude era is slowly possibly coming back but I mean its what sells, I love when they curse or even when there's blood in the match or segments its what sells....I love this video thank you for speaking out how you feel about it bro

In all honesty, this is exactly what I feel, it's a love hate relationship with it sometimes

Lola Vice is a true fighter. And she’s good looking as well. I thought it was for looks as well, but watching she’s getting better in the ring.

I couldn’t agree more with almost all these points. Very happy to see a guy with a very big audience be this vulnerable with how the toxicity of wrestling, wether it’s the industry or it’s fans, absolutely can harm the enjoyment of the product. It’s honestly why I refuse to watch weekly anymore because I’d much rather just enjoy it sparsely and not on a weekly.

I think you're right look at people like alexa bliss she is good looking but she is great at promos her wrestling is great and has great characterization. Nia jax is improving a hell a lot which not many people are giving her credit for and you are 100% correct about fans allowfans to have their own opinion and allow fans to react how they want react whether it's screaming and chanting or it's more mellow and calm.

I don't watch WWE or AEW I liked it back in the day

I say this as someone who has been interested in all kinds of entertainment for practically my whole life, but with social media within the last year, pro wrestling has become a lot more similar to nerd culture than it has ever been before, and I think that's why the fanbase has started to become the way it is. I've been a fan of other franchises like Marvel and Star Wars before I even got into wrestling, and as far as I could remember, all I wanted to do sometimes was to speculate on on how stories are going to end and other easter eggs that might be thrown into storylines. And this same community also becomes irrationally angry when these stories don't go the way they think they should and go about sharing their opinions the complete wrong way and start attacking people. Now that social media reveals more and more secrets about pro wrestling every day, it has become almost completely entertainment focused and the IWC continues to become more toxic and negative just like other franchises like Marvel and Star Wars do (To be fair, those franchises are facing other issues that wrestling is not, but you get the point). I think the best fix the fanbase would be to find other ways to enjoy things and be happy. I have been able to do that by finding other hobbies like drumming and hanging out with other friends, and I think you have been able to do that through this KZread channel. I think that is the best way to fix all of these fanbases, and I think people don't realize how similar they actually are. Once people begin to see that, then I think the fanbase will become better.

I’d like to hear the others thoughts on this in the podcast

I have been a fan of Pro Wrestling for over 40 years now. I have been around since the days of "Rock N' Wrestling", the last decade of "The Territories", and the first live event that I ever went to was a card that was for the AWA. I agree with your points about the current state of Women's Wrestling. Women's Wrestling has never been the draw that people think that it recently has been. It was always a special attraction/novelty portion of the show. In my honest opinion, if this is to ever really change, then the Women need to be portrayed in a similar presentation as the Men. Rhea Ripley is as great as she is, because she can work in the same style as a Man. She can blend in with anyone on the roster regardless of gender. It shows Her level of skill and dedication to the art. Many of the Women can perform on that level, but are not given the time to really showcase it. Lyra Valkiria, Julia Hart, Natalya, Iyo Sky, Asuka, Kairi Sane, Kris Statlander, Willow Nightengale, Bayley, etc. Could all fit that same compliment if they were allowed to have the breathing room i nthe ring that the Men are given... but they aren't and that is a pity. As far as the issues with the Fan's go... I honestly believe it is because Kayfabe is not a thing, and hasn't been for decades. I remember when "Dr. D" David Shultz slapped the taste out of John Stossel's mouth for calling the business fake. I remember a time where there were only a few "Smart Fans" and the general audiance could have that little bit of belief that what they were watching was an actual personal issue playing out in front of the camerea, and we get to see the fight that goes along with it. Ultimately, the business is over exposed, and the fans have been the main driver behind that happening. The primary audiance for Pro Wrestling now a days are too plugged in, and spends too much time on the "inside". And that has hurt the business. Remember, the biggest TV audience for Pro Wrestling was for "The Main Event" leading to Wrestlemania 4, when 33,000,000 watched on NBC for the rematch between Hogan and Andre (this was the evil twin ref angle) ... when we were less plugged in, and could just watch and enjoy the show for the show itself.

Bro finally stood on business 😂

When it comes to how wrestlers behave in the industry, I find it to be a very complicated situation. To be clear, I am not referring to any illegal activities, abuse etc. Those are clear cut evil. I don't have experience in the wrestling industry, but I do in the music industry. They share a lot criticisms. When it comes to preformers being selfish, it shouldn't have to be the case, but the nature of those businesses often encourages it. Where it gets complicated, is I have seen talent spend years sacrificing everything (friendships, relationships, potentially having kids and a spouse etc) to create a scene where revenue is generated in what was considered to be a dead town, county or genre. They'll miss birthdays, weddings and funerals, all to create a scene where people can learn their craft and get paid to do so. This often sees the person who created the scene, being on top. Most can agree, they've earned it. However, you have to work towards the future and that involves the next generation of talent coming in behind you. This is where things get tricky. I've seen dead towns be braught to life over the course of 5 years, only for the interest to dry up in under a year and a half. This is often due to the same top talent hogging the spotlight. So then they should just step aside when the time is right? But who is the right person/group to step aside for? Some peoples egos won't allow it. Some can argue (rightfully so) that there wouldn't even be a scene without them and they should always have at least a prominent place in it(not neccessarily at the very top). I could probably go on for another dozen or so paragraghs but I'll stop there. I understand the example I gave doesn't reflect on the WWE as much as they are the biggest company in the world, but I can imagine things get even more complicated the further up the ladder you go.

You cooked with this one. I didn’t even know half of this. I don’t even know if there’s anything I can disagree with anything on this video. Good shit bro🤞🏽

i feel you man, very good video

I agree with this a lot. I mean I will admit, I don't really like watching women's wrestling unless the superstar is hot imo (Naomi for example), and I'm a 15 turning 16 teenage boy, but I don't try to be weird or toxic about it. Thanks for this Jarren, you spoke some very true words and I respect it.

This man is spitting 🔥🔥🔥