So what do you think? Too easy? Too hard? Just right?? 😅

@steemlenn8797

Жыл бұрын

Funny is when e.g. AfD people fail the test. Strangely they don't insist on losing German citizenship then.

@rhalleballe

Жыл бұрын

To be honest, I find the test kind of funny. Why do you need to know these things, why are you a "good" German if you know who built the Berlin Wall? There are certainly masses of Germans who don't know that (anymore). For me personally, it would only be important that the applicant can speak and understand good German. That is surely the most important quality one should possess. Ask any American on the street in the USA what "Independence Day" (4th July) means exactly.... according to which at least half of all Americans are not Americans, because they cannot answer such questions correctly. Certainly, many Germans also do not know what is celebrated in Germany on October 3. Nevertheless, they are Germans.

@steemlenn8797

Жыл бұрын

@@rhalleballe Yeah, those tests are only made by the "conservative" to make it harder to come to the country (or to be able to say so to their voters). The content of the test is actually less important than it's existance.

@maxbarko8717

Жыл бұрын

@@rhalleballeor my Canadian citizenship I also had to take a test about Canadian history, society and politics. And I am convinced that someone becoming a citizen should have some basic knowledge about the new country .

@matthiaslang87

Жыл бұрын

I think it is just right. In fact in some countries only a few questions are asked when applying to the cititzenship.

I've never seen "a scantron" in my life. Multiple choice isn't that common in german education, probably that's why. We had some exams in uni that where partly multiple choice though. These were evaluated automatically but printed on normal printer paper.

@arnodobler1096

Жыл бұрын

For each form there is a template that you put on the boxes, like in the old days with the driver's license.

@arnodobler1096

Жыл бұрын

Well, even an immigrant, of other denominations, has holidays like Easter, Christmas, and free. Ok not in the US, but here it is. A bit of general education about the new country and culture should be there.

@ohauss

11 ай бұрын

Some chamber of commerce (IHK) exams are multiple choice, but they are not graded automatically, either. The choice is made on a transparent sheed and correctors will have a template solution they put under it to see if correct answers have been chosen. The advantage over automated grading is that there's more leeway in interpreting corrections.

@nichfra

11 ай бұрын

​@@ohaussthere are also digital ones but even then the last time I took one I still had to wait a couple hours for results so they might still manually grade the digital ones. Also fun fact a lot of what's called multiple choice tests (at least on Germany) aren't actually multiple choice but are single choice.

@martinstubs6203

11 ай бұрын

Ich habe mal vor ca. 30 Jahren ein Fernstudium an der Fernunivrsität Hagen versucht. Da haben sie das Verfahren ausgiebig verwendet.

Scantrons and Multiple Choice exams are almost non-existent in Germany… Exams in schools and at university are usually essay-based questions.

And yes: Germany's tradition comes from Christianity, but decorating a tree and colouring eggs are not very religious;)

@holger_p

Жыл бұрын

It's a bit like: we forget about god, but we keep the rest.

@DeltaCortis

Жыл бұрын

Both traditions technically predate Christianity and were adopted from Germanic paganism

@arnodobler1096

Жыл бұрын

Hauptsache Feiertag 😂

@connectingthedots100

Жыл бұрын

Actually not very Christian 😅

@fairphoneuser9009

Жыл бұрын

​@@DeltaCortisThey were adopted in Christianity to make the transition smoother. Just like having guides for Mac users how to convert to Windows and vice versa.

Such a test is not necessarly to check you knowledge. It's to show you are willing to put in some effort to become german. This principle is quiet common in education. If you have a degree in something, you show you are able to learn something, to finish a project in your life. This qualifies you to work on another project, not based on the subject of your education. With limits, but that's the idea.

@samael7867

Жыл бұрын

I dont have a degree in beeing german, it came totaly natural to me, cause i was born here, so if a forgain person gets the citicenship does he can call him self phd germanicus as a name addition?

@swanpride

11 ай бұрын

Plus, surprisingly there are people who don't pass the test because they actually manage to reveal that they have ideas which don't fit with our basic law at all - so you won't catch those smart enough to pretend for a little bit, but at least those who are so fanatic that they won't be able to do that.

Scantrons are basically unknown in Germany. The only time I encountered something similar in Germany was, when I took the Mensa IQ-test. 🤣

@rhalleballe

Жыл бұрын

And? Big difference to outdoor temperature?

@amrimi8371

Жыл бұрын

@@rhalleballe yes, because the result was higher.

@insulanerin7601

Жыл бұрын

@@rhalleballe We measure temperature in Celsius, so above 30 is a heatwave ...

@rhalleballe

Жыл бұрын

@@insulanerin7601 I know, I am german. Anyway ....

7:00 No, scantrons aren't a thing in Germany. I doubt most germans would even know what they are.

@PassportTwo

Жыл бұрын

Super interesting as this is THE way to give tests in schools in the US. Thanks for the info 😃

@solaccursio

Жыл бұрын

here in Italy I never saw a single one, and before today I ignored the word.

@holger_p

Жыл бұрын

@@PassportTwo It's the manual homework of teachers. But multiple choice in schools are not so common anyway. There are essays evalutated or mathematical transformations.

@seylaw

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen one in Germany and never heared of the word as a German, to be honest. But in our schools, multiple-choice tests are not common at all. It makes the job of the teachers and pupils harder, but as there are subject matters that cannot be easily transformed into multiple-choices, there is more diversity in tasks to solve in our tests which is IMHO a more profound and flexible way of testing. (This is a bit different in university, as in medical school the state examinations are done by multiple-choice tests which are standardized over the whole country; in law school however, you typically have to write legal opinions and there are some state-specific parts - guess where it is harder to pass in the end; if the presented case in our law exams is too exotic, you fail pretty quickly as in multiple-choice tests you can always skip the ones you don't know and can still answer the others).

@insulanerin7601

Жыл бұрын

Right, I am a teacher and I've never heard of a scantron.

I think the tests are supposed to be easy and simply check if a candidate for citizenship has the motivation to study a few questions by heart (so they really want to be German). With the added benefit that after studying for the test, they know at least a few things about how Germany works. Those that are eligible to apply for citizenship already had to live a few years (not sure how many) in Germany and that comes with the requirement to have been able to finance themselves. For most people that means having a job and thus being somewhat integrated into society.

pertaining to the Christmas question: from my perspectiv this isn't really a question about religion but on tradition and culture. I think that's a general difference when it comes to the topic of religion. In germany religious tradition and faith are seen kind of seperate. We are fine with religious traditions (mostly christian ones) being part of our culture even if we don't actually believe and therefore this is fine in politics as well. What we seperate from politics is faith. RQOTW: sour

@juns3554

Жыл бұрын

I agree, many non-christian Germans are getting a christmas tree. That dead-tree-decorating predates christs in Germany to begin with.

@aoeuable

Жыл бұрын

Then taking evergreen plants inside and decorating them is a Yuletide custom that simply got repurposed for Christianity. For the longest time it wasn't whole trees but you had branches on the wall and stuff. The Vatican only recently (couple of years ago) relented and got a Christmas tree for themselves. Same thing applies to painting eggs, or hiding chocolate eggs: The tradition itself isn't Christian at all. Probably derived from old spring customs, think fertility.

@EloNaj

Жыл бұрын

@@aoeuable Christmas trees were not a thing before the 16th century and became popular in the 19th century. So they are not an old tradition (Like many 19th century traditions that claim to be old).

@insulanerin7601

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It is purely a cultural question - there is no christmas tree in the bible ...

@klarasee806

11 ай бұрын

Also, the mentioned traditions (decorating a tree, painting eggs) are actually pagan traditions.

As a German I think it's weird that you're making such a big fuss out of getting letters and doing the test with a pen. 😅

@tic-tacdrin-drinn1505

Жыл бұрын

As a "non American" I find it weird too.

@ohauss

11 ай бұрын

Especially when in America, they often still use cheques/checks to pay bills....

The weirdness with the printing just comes from old, poorly maintained printers. The rubber on the paper rollers gets covered in paper dust and toner and hardens with age, so the paper slips around as it tries to feed it through the machine. That makes it hard to keep everything lined up as it prints.

no, the print quality has nothing to do with security, just with sh*tty IT. Welcome to Germany,

I guess Christmas and Easter are not seen as a religious undertaking, but part of the culture.

Bubble Sheets are an American thing. Not used here in general. I only know them from the USAF. Edit: Fallersleben. As A German, you learn that in school.

That is pretty much how I would prepare for these kinds of tests. Assume they offer a pen (to make sure you're not cheating) but bring one anyone just on case. And that "quietly leaving the class once you're done" is how I remember it from school. Students that stay in the room will obviously get bored and might disturb the class. And they're done, so why should they keep sitting there. And obviously it's on paper, how else would they fax it back to the office.

@Matty0311MMS

Жыл бұрын

I had to remain in the classroom during one "Klausur", because it was a 3 "hour" test, and I was finished after 1 "hour". I had to stay, in case someone had to go to the toilet.

I learned about scantron for the first time in my life 🙈 We didn't have that at school either, we very rarely had multiple choice tests.

Multiple choice is considered an easy form of tests (medical school would be excluded here) thats why in school there are usually near to no multiple choice tests. In Bavaria every test in school has to have three parts: 1. Reproducation of learned facts 2. Reorganisation of learned facts 3. Transfer of knowledge 4. Problem solving (not in all subjects) 1. is the lowest bar to not be so bad getting grad 6 , 3+4. the highest bar you have to be able to do, to earn grade 1

fun fact… many of my German friends didn’t know all the answers on those test questions 😅

Als ich meine Geburtsurkunde das erste mal angefordert habe, dachte ich auch dass ich eine Urkunde bekomme aus hochwertigem Papier mit sauberem klarem Druck. Am Ende bekam ich ein 08 15 Papier mit billigem Druck. Dazu noch 2 mal gefaltet. Das alles für 10 Euro.

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

Aber mit Stempel und Unterschrift von "irgendwem" ;)

The national anthem question is really kinda tricky... yes, fallersleben wrote the text, but the music is from haydn and was written for emperor franz II of austria. the original text was "gott erhalte franz den kaiser..." etc. i really found that funny when i learned that as a kid.

@martinkasper197

Жыл бұрын

The original Text was: Hopfen und Malz, Gott erhalts...:-)))

Fyi, 50% actually is a passing score in Germany. Though contrary to the citizenship test, you don't get multiple choice questions in school (there might be a true/false section or similar but it's never entirely multiple choice) Also never seen a scantron before. Just printing tests on ordinary printing paper is the norm

@arthur_p_dent

Жыл бұрын

Actually Multiple Choice is permitted at schools in Germany. However, it is very rare indeed. Also, the scoring would then be done in a manner to eliminate advantages by just guessing. For example, instead of just awarding points for correct answers, you may also have points deducted for incorrect answers. So when you really have no clue, not answering at all would be better than guessing.

@1vader

11 ай бұрын

They definitely are rare but I think we did have a handful of multiple choice tests in school (though only for smaller tests) and we also had a few in university. And yeah, at my university, the exam regulations even specifed minimum requirements to make it unlikely to pass by chance. Though it didn't require stuff like negative points for wrong answers (which sucks and doesn't qualitatively reduce the chances to pass by guessing more than just having more questions or answer choices). Iirc the regulations just required the chance to pass by guessing to be below a threshold. Also, in some university exams, we did have automated grading done by scanning, though most of the time, the questions were still corrected manually (most of the questions didn't have a single answer anyways) and the scanners only summed up the points. Tbh not sure how much time that really saves but I guess it also allows reviewing the exams online and maybe avoids biases better, since the exams got QR-code stickers instead of our names.

If you waited over 5 years to start naturalization, you can wait few more months for Einbürgerungstest result. :)

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

He'll do fine. I suppose most of his "this is weird" is more for us to engage rather than it's really weird for him ;)

German national anthem: lyrics by Fallesleben, music by Haydn. That's common knowledge in Germany I think.

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

Also BASS-Remix by Dj.Bobo ;) No wait. He's swiss isn't he? ;)

I see. It's easier to get german citizenship than to get the german drivers licence.

@rhalleballe

Жыл бұрын

If the same questions where in Mandarin (Chinese) - would you unterstand these? So what is easier - Chinese drivers licence or Chinise citizenship?

@Stinkehund

Жыл бұрын

As it should be. A car can be a danger to yourself and others. Bit harder to hurt or kill someone with a german ID.

I thought the US test is more difficult e g naming the judges on Scotus. I doubt Germans can name the judges on Verfassungsgericht. I couldn't.

That is so typical German, economize on the paper ... don't even think about it as beeing part of the test to be able to read the bad prints. They centralise the rating of the test, but they never ever consider that it might be cheaper to print all the tests at a big print house. Yes I am allowed to write like that 😂 because I am a German who lives already years abroad and that opened my eyes to see how inefficient the oh so efficient German system is. And what did you dream about, tablets for the Einbürgerungstest? in a country where a lot of schools have not enough computers? 😂

@erikweber8514

Жыл бұрын

Better they would have no computers at all. What amount of money is needed to keep this... Scrap... up to date?

When I was going through the naturalization process almost 10 years ago, I went through the 311 questions online and missed exactly 2 (true, at that time I had already lived here for almost 40 years and have always been interested in history and politics). Ultimately, I did not have to take either the language or the civics test because I had certificates from the university from 3 1/2 years of law studies. The driving license test (written) is the same thing; you can go through all the possible questions online until you have them down if necessary. One slight difference; there is not always only one right answer to a question. Still, I finished the test in less than 10 minutes (this was about 20 years ago) and it was graded on the spot. I got everything right.The amusing thing was that my best friend congratulated me and gave me a present because for him that was the hard part of the test; driving was a snap. I, on the other hand, failed the driving test the first time and had to retake it (even though I had had a Texas driving license since I was 14). I think my problem was trying too hard to drive perfectly. Not a great fan of pickles of any sort.

If there is some device to check multiple choice questions, it's a card with holes, layed over the answers, and they count the checkmarks visible in the holes (the correct checkmarks). That's it. There are almost no scanners for anything. Even although passports are machine readable , I have never seen machines reading them.

@eastfrisianguy

Жыл бұрын

Ah yes, the theoretical part of the driving test. Those stupid practice sheets with the templates 😂At least in that respect, Germany is digital these days.

Als Deutscher finde ich den Einbürgerungstest sehr einfach. Ich habe mehrere Online-Tests für verschiedene Bundesländer gemacht und immer alles richtig beantwortet. 9:52 Reichsbürger certainly have problems answering this question.😄

@Ph34rNoB33r

Жыл бұрын

It's missing the "GmbH" option 🤪

@tosa2522

Жыл бұрын

@@Ph34rNoB33r 😂

I think the 6 month waiting period is the real test, to see how accustomed you are to German bureaucracy. The questionnaire is just a pretence for that.

Maybe a reason for the lack of efficiency in the process of “naturalization” is that it doesn’t impact Germans who are already citizens so that group doesn’t see the need to improve the process (although it does seem like a pretty easy exam to pass, although I’m guessing that one has to take it in German which would doom many non-native speakers in general)

@karinland8533

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it has to be taken in German

@chrisk5651

Жыл бұрын

@@karinland8533 thanks! I kinda figured. But I guess that that’s part of the test as well!

Love love love the image of the scantron and that you mentioned it’s name.

8:02 in German school you are lucky to get such good printing quality hahah

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

I bet they're still using those blue printing rotational copier machines they had since the 50th ;)

Multiple choice tests are very rare in germany and with the exception of my Führerscheinprüfung I never had a test which had only multiple choice questions. Maybe it's just not worth it to invest in a system nobody knows, when somebody can do it manually within minutes. (Edit: I thought they would grade the test locally. With a centralised grading system they could also invest in one scantron.) And the reason for the blurry font is most likely just a badly maintained printer. Most germans won't go to church every sunday, but things like christmas are still a big thing in our culture. I might even argue that it is more important to know things about our local, regional and national culture than to know all chancellors(Adenauer, Erhard, Kießinger, Brandt, Scheel, Schmitt, Kohl, Schröder, Merkel, Scholz). And in my opinion it's a cultural question and not a religious one. A religious question would ask why we celebrate christmas or eastern.

Fallersleben without looking it up. We learned it at school, using a "snaily" paper....

Never heard of Scantron and multiple choice questions were banned in my school

I don’t like any pickles - the only vinegar that I like is Balsamic.

You have heard about the concept of Vergangenheitsverwaltigung? Which clearly has no equivalent in the USA; a country mainly in denial about slavery, the Civil War and US imperialism all over the world, but especially in Mexico and the rest of Spanish speaking America.

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

They're even banishing/burning books about that in some states now. History repeats itself i guess :(

Using a computer or laptop for the questions In Germany? Maybe we still have a few punch cards for it... But the officers have to be busy so that they can't learn such complicated techniques. It is already difficult enough for the officers to read the printouts and compare them with the results.

It's not even just regional pride. Unified Germany is so young we even still have ethnic pride. Eg. in Saxony some people consider themselves Sorbian first, Saxon second and German after that. With multi-regional ethnics it becomes even more complex. For example I as an ethnic Prussian from Saxony though I was born and raised there, cuturally have more in common with Brandenburgians or even Slesians (situated in Poland) than I have with my fellow Saxons. Differences have eroded over time and by now are mostly lost in more recent generations. That said especially in more rural areas the sentiment of ethnic tribalism and prejudice against cultural outsiders is still very much alive 🤨 There probably aren't a lot of questions about older German history or culture because well .. Germany as an entitiy is technically only 152 years old. The germany of the past was so fragmented that asking questions about our history before the unification would probably be an overkill for applicants. Not to mention a lot of it isn't even taught in school, so where would prospective nationals even learn about it in the first place ^^ Eg. Who was the reigning Grand Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach at the time of the "Silver Ages"?

That "name one problem that led to the Civil War" question is INFURIATING.

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

Also a rhetorical mine to step on if asked by the wrong person in the interview ;)

I like what Schopenhauer said about national pride: “The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.”

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

National pride was "educated out" of the germans born after the war for a reason. Didn't take in eastern germany it seems though ;)

@maxbarko8717

Жыл бұрын

@@peterpain6625 Yes, they were told that they were the „good Germans“ and the fascist lived on the other side of the wall. Today we see the results of that.

Honestly, I'm surprised that it's a multiple choice test at all. Throughout school and most examinations thereafter, those are the exception. You are supossed to show critical thinking and either illustrate the big picture or hone in on the details from memory. That's probably a big factor towards the lack of digitalization for the test. About the pickles, recently I've fallen in love with sour chili ones. Those from Aldi, which lead to my appreciation of hot dog style bratwurst. Just in time for the two student BBQs I had this week.

@peterpain6625

Жыл бұрын

I suppose it's not all. Good friend (from scotland) just took this test a couple of months ago and now has an appointment with someone at the local Rathaus for some kind of "interview". We'll see how that turns out.

Funfact. I once came im hand of an original DDR Einbürgerungsformular. About 50 sheets of paper asking your whole life and in which way you are willing to support/join the secret services.

I had the complete opposite test to take - I was German and became a US Citizen in 2006, lol. I think, the test I was given was waaaaay too easy. They asked for the different branches of our Govenment, how many stars on the flag, who do they represent - same with the stripes on the flag...who is the President, who is the current Governor of my State, how many Senators to a State, etc. I had one single question wrong from all the 10 questions I got, which was who is the newest member of the Supreme Court is (back then, the newest Judge was just 2 weeks in office, and the Homeland Security guy that tested me told me right away, I mostlikely get the question wrong, lol). After the writing sample was done, he congratulated me and said ( and jokingly scolded me), that he does not understand, why it took me so long to finally become a US Citizen, lol. I have been living in the States since 1986 already...It was just an awesome experience and I looked through the "Learning Booklet" once - right before my test, in other words: I didn't study at all. But again - I had previously lived in the States so long, that it wasn't a big deal to answer the somewhat very easy to me questions...and to answer the question of why I took my test so late - well, every 10 years to go for the green card again and pay the fees, well the citizenship cost me slightly more then to renew my greencard again, and I always felt like an American anyways !

That was interesting. Thank you for testing the test! :-)

Why do people want to be citizens? To keep a backdoor open (dual citizenship) is probably not the answer.

Scantron is not a thing in Germany. The first and last time I saw these tests was in my exchange student year in the USA in the 90s. Wow. It’s crazy that the results for this simple tests takes months ! 🤯That’s really ridiculous. It’s as if they try to be as inefficiently possible.

😀German efficiency relates to industry rather than bureaucracy. German offices (Ämter) have always been very slow and cumbersome

@barefoot2470

Жыл бұрын

Und für diese Lahmarschigkeit kriegen die n fettes Gehalt und Rente und sie gängeln noch Menschen, wie man bei „Realer Irrsinn“ sehen kann.

Scantrons are not a thing in Germany. Multiple choice tests are extremely rare and if you come across parts of a test that are MCish, it is most often still expected to write one or two sentences in addition to ticking the box.

The lack of efficiency in a lot of processes in Germany is a result of the lack of digitalisation and just keeping the old ways it's always been done. İt's often painful to watch...

I was naturalised 3 years ago. But I can't say that my test looked cheap like that example. So that seems to vary. Yes, I took my time, but I don't think it took me longer than 10 minutes or so. Sour pickles of course 😀

@argaz_nifri

9 ай бұрын

Hello, may i ask you how long did the processing time take after you submitted your application?

@Mamaki1987

9 ай бұрын

@@argaz_nifri About six Month

@argaz_nifri

9 ай бұрын

@@Mamaki1987 thank you for replying. I read on the internet that the process takes up to three years in states with high populations and about one year in states with lower ones. Do you mind telling us in which state do you live? Also, congratulations on getting your citizenship!

About the question at the end: I thought sour and dill pickles were the same thing, only with some dill in one kind.

Test questions - it's like the German Driving Test. Years ago (don't know what it's like today), you would buy test packets with all of the questions - and answers - like Donnie described for the Citizen's test. You 'study' them - meaning memorizing and practicing as much as you could and then take the test. Yes, it was relatively easy. I would have to say, you don't really learn the rules and regulations to pass the test - just how to pass the test. You can and should buy some extra documents/brochures that actually explain the laws. But, don't get carried away. The full Straßenverkehrsrecht-Ordnung is roughly 3300 pages.

I don't see why the test should be difficult or overly patriotic. He should only clarify whether the person was willing to deal with German culture and history. And let's be honest: I would say that the majority of German-born would fail this test. I even think it's a good thing that the test is evaluated externally. Prevents corruption and "personal rejection" because there is no direct contact between the evaluating and the tested. And question of the week: Rather sour dill.

RQotW: both, but I think I like sweet relish best. 🤭 As to the citizenship questions to become Austrian, I read somewhere that not even half of those who are Austrian, long time i.e. 3rd 4th generation could pass the test. Not sure what the questions are, and if would pass the test, but now I am curious.

The real test is whether you complain about the quality of the print and the questions. If you complain enough you'll pass 😂

No, I don't think a german child has ever seen a scantron in school. Standardized tests every year aren't a thing here.

The chance to pass the test by guessing at random on every question is less than 0.1% i.e. less than 1 in 1000. Though it definitely still makes it easier. If you knew 16 questions and only need to guess one, the chance to guess correctly at least once on the remaining questions is above 99%. If you need 2, it's 96%, and for 5, it's still above 50%. And ofc, even if you don't know the answer, you often at least know that some of the options are definitely wrong, which increases the chances further (though I guess if you know that little, it's also possible you misjudge and think an answer is definitely wrong when it's not, which would bring the chances down).

Welcome to Germany, the inefficient analog way of doing things and the total lack of transparency of how local officials handle these things is actually the hard part of the process to get that German citizenship. To get 52% of the questions right is easy-peasy in comparison!

@teilzeitbernd

Жыл бұрын

You could say, the real test is taking the test, and to experience German bureaucracy (like waiting half a year for the result).

@rhalleballe

Жыл бұрын

@@teilzeitbernd >To get 52% of the questions right is easy-peasy in comparison! No, if multiple choice, its not easy-peasy. Its only easy-peasy when only ONE answer fits, But with multiple choice it very hard to get it right by random access.

It's really strange how this test is so ridiculously easy.

@jhbadger

Жыл бұрын

A lot of these tests are. Like the examples given from the American test about "The Father of Our Country' (Washington) and what was a major accomplishment of Lincoln (Emancipation Proclamation). The only one that would require a bit of history was the one that the guy missed about who was President during WWI (Woodrow Wilson for the record).

@emilwandel

Жыл бұрын

Why though? It should'nt be an intelligence pass and a German should be able to pass without studying.

@martinkasper197

Жыл бұрын

@@jhbadger And the USA joined WW1 in 1917 under Wilson. I even know that as a German. :-)

The quality of the questions paper is meaningless so long as you can read it as at the end of the day it goes in the bin.

My guess on this: You are trying to make sense of the questions themselves. This does not exist. As far as I have seen, there is always one correct, two possible and one completely absurd answer. If it's filled in purely at random, you'll inevitably catch a few absurd ones, which shows that you didn't understand the question. Ah yes, and reading a completely unknown language in miserable printed quality is even more difficult and adds the final touch. Which then means you don't know German. And THAT is the real test. It's all about whether you know the language and know the culture. Because those are the only relevant criteria. And that's why the tests have to be evaluated by a person, which then takes longer. So the whole thing would make sense to me.

@karlheinz9432

Жыл бұрын

the " miserable printed quality" is probably not part of the test - either the printer was just broken or the setup of the printer was not right. And they were to lazy to reprint b/c "ach... geht schon".

I think the German Einbürgerungstest should be about history and social peculiarities in Germany but even more about the German language. I guess that would really show if you're willing to live and adapt to a foreign country if you make an effort to learn and understand the local language.

@karinland8533

Жыл бұрын

There are extra language tests!

Ok, just did the internetversion of the test for fun. I needed 5 min and had 32 of 33 questions correct. The one I missed , I missclicked and didn't realize it until I hit confirm. So yeah, the test might be a tad easy.

No scantrons anywhere in Germany.

Both, to decorate a christmas tree and to paint easter eggs are not christian but pagan traditions.

2:30 "a ton of questions" - That is part of the test: Germans plan ahead and are prepared. (As you did.) 7:13 "low quality print": Again, part of the test. (The applicants can read this? - And they give the correct answer? - Let them come in.) (10:33 I know that, I know that: Herr Hoffmann von Fallersleben!) Answer to "Question of the week": What? - That depends on the weather, my mood and many other things. (As I said: Be preprared.) Anyway, have a good time!

Sour/dill/sweet pickles? Horseradish mustard pickles from the Spreewald, of course.

9:18 if you just guess the correct answer out of 4 alternatives without knowing, you will, on average, get 1 in 4 answers right. So, the expected outcome is 33/4 = 8.25 correct answers, with a standard deviation of a little under 2.5. In order to pass, you need 17, which is 8.75, or about 3.5 standard deviations, above the expected value. Looking up in a standard normal distribution table, it turns out that the probability that a completely clueless person will pass the test by simply guessing is about 0.023 per cent. So not particularly good, actually.

Pickles - it's not an either/or; it's - for what purpose. For all of my 'salads', it's sweet. For munching-down it's sour - BUT, sour is not sour is not sour. My favorite in Germany is Specht's Bayerische Gewürz Gurken. num, num, num!

Decorating a Christmas tree or Easter eggs is not really a religious thing, in my opinion. Even German atheists might do it. It's more like a tradition or folk religion.

The instructions are the first test.

Frage 301: "Wie lange dauert durchschnittlich die Auswertung eines Einbürgerungstests in Deutschland?"

Scantron sheets are not at all a thing in Germany. The first time I ever saw one was during a year abroad in grade 11. Also, multiple choice is very rare in Germany. I never encountered it in school and when my mom, who was a teacher and got a bit inspired by my experiences during my year abroad, tried using multiple choice questions as part of exams she gave her students she found that they found them super hard simply because they had never done multiple choice questions before. The only situation in Germany that I know of where they use multiple choice questions is the driver’s license theory test.

I would have answered the question about the author of the national anthem correctly, but only, because I pretty sure, that 3 of them were wrong, and the 4th one sounded vaguely familiar in that context.

Sounds a bit like the test (theory part) for the driving license ...

No no they grade that stuff by hand. That is also how you do it in university with multiplechoice tests.

Pickled red beet is the best.

As someone with strong beliefs concerning religion (I prefer to phrase it that way to avoid offending anyone), even I didn't read that Christmas tree question as a question on religion. Maybe that's bc Christians are now in the minority in Germany but everyone still celebrates Christmas, at least in some fashion. It's just a cultural thing. That said, I personally think most citizenship test questions are useless. How would knowing a specific thing about history really, truly qualify you to contribute to our society? There should be a lot more questions about the general goings on, how systems work, how to do your taxes and the like bc having to know that will actually help people integrate into society.

Pickles? I have a sweet tooth, so I like the sweet and sour sandwich slices and the cornichons. Now a real pickle has been fermented, like sauerkraut, and is naturally sour, traditionally flavored with dill and garlic. It is still alive! I grew up in New York, you would find them in the Jewish deli in a big wooden barrel - back in the 50s. There has been a renaissance of farmers markets and cultured food in some areas of the US (we were living in Washington State). We could get real pickled - that is fermented - cucumbers and sauerkraut direct from the farmer, and we could buy their products in the fridge section only of some supermarkets and natural food stores as well. But most people think a pickle is made by cooking it in vinegar... that is what you find in stores. They can sit on the shelf (or in your fridge) for years because they are embalmed. It is said that eating live fermented foods is good for your digestive tract, they have friendly bacteria, like yogurt. Most vinegar has had the life distilled out of it. If anyone has gotten this far in the video - I mean Comment - where do you find live pickles in Germany? Or must you make them yourself? I see "fermentierte Gurken" but if they are not in the fridge, they are no longer alive... gell?

Christmas isn't really a religious holiday nowadays in many households in Europe. It's more of a family celebration than anything else. I'm an atheist and anti-theist and I celebrate Christmas...

@kenninast

11 ай бұрын

"Not showing national pride" is not a German thing, nor is it a remnance of our shameful WW2 legacy. Most European countries fortunately are equally liberated from the concept of patriotism.

@kenninast

11 ай бұрын

Two more things: How can there be a "reading and writing requirement" in the USA, when the USA do not have an official language? I think that's odd... And the pickles thing: sour. Of course.

Es ist ja schwieriger den Angelschein in Deutschland zu bekommen 🤦‍♂️🤯

@alexanderbecker7399

Жыл бұрын

...wobei man da auch bei vielen Fragen die Regel "längste Antwort ist korrekt" gut anwenden kann.

Efficiency is one thing, absoute reliability and being justiciable is another. That is why hand-written and signed documents are still used. It does not take too long to look through a piece of paper like that test.

I think the printer was just broken.

Well, you probably nailed it about the print quality: they're cheap. I'd guess their printers are as old as the founding of the resp. department. You can't just have a budget for working tools and buy some if necessary, can you? For all I have experienced with buerocracy, surely the internal paperwork procedure for replacing a printer is even worse than getting access ticket A 38. - ah, about the pickles: neither sour, dill or sweet. Salted. Mjam mjam!

Hoffman von Fallersleben. In case you forgot.

I thought like you did that there were unlikely to have controversial issues or things that could make the USA. The questions that you showed were really not that controversial (as you predicted they didn’t demand knowledge of the Trail of Tears. Also they allowed States Right as justification for the South going to war to preserve slavery in perpetuity.

The printing being warped is probably because they bought a €50 consumer grade printer and mishandled it for ages printing thousands of pages :) There is probably no money "available" for a new one. Scantrons are not "a thing" anywhere but the us. This test is more about your willingness to learn and understand german in context i suppose.

As a German, whenever I enter the US and have to show my papers at the airport, I feel like I'm being deliberately treated unkindly and coldly. Instead of a warm welcome, I always feel a bit like an exceptionally tolerated intruder or even a suspect. At least like someone you don't trust in the first place. I can imagine that the US has a similar attitude when it comes to US citizenship. From the US perspective, they are the best country in the world, so basically everyone wants to be an American. It’s a great honor to be an American, so the citizenship test has to be not easy to pass, and you should also be a little afraid of taking it. The German citizenship test is probably more about seeing whether someone is motivated and willing to engage.

@brigitteschaefers

11 ай бұрын

The real German Citizen Test is: Can you bear the lengthy, bureaucratic way of the while procedure …

I like to have my legal texts on paper. Papier ist geduldig, but also sturdy compared to any electronics. And I also vastly prefer to make tests on paper. And no, l there are no scantrons. But a lot of very old printers. It's more likely it was a printout of a low-res .pdf though. Have you ever seen the maps they put in the "Amtsblatt"? I swear some of them have single digit dpi.

@HappyBeezerStudios

Жыл бұрын

Good old needle printer like thy have them in doctors offices :D

Did Aubrey also take the test?

"Not a passing score, just half the answers correct" Half the answers correct is a passing score in most tests, pretty much precisely.

@karinland8533

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Obviously thats passing score🤷‍♀️

@PassportTwo

Жыл бұрын

In the US, a passing score would typically only be 70% and up (sometimes 60% and up). Anything below that is considered failing 😊

@emilwandel

Жыл бұрын

​@@PassportTwopassing score is the score you need to pass no standard here.

@karinland8533

Жыл бұрын

@@PassportTwo there are different passing scores in school we have grades from 1-6 with a score of 51% you would pass = grade 4 In other circumstances 40% might be enough to pass or 60% might not so . Gor us the passing score is what ever is required to pass, not ONE persentage

You have to wait 5 months for the results of your test? Another example of our beautiful and inefficient German bureaucracy …

7:50 That is being done to make you prove you can read and understand German. The questions are the easy part. But honestly, I think they just have an old printer because computers and modern things are frowned upon. (In reality the administration doesn't have the money to buy new things.)

6:52 The only thing that reminds me of something similar in Germany is a "Lottoschein". Do you play Lotto in Germany? That could or should be a necessity for getting the citizenship in the future. So, be prepared! 😊

13:48 😳🙄😖

Saure Gurken, obviously 👋

If you take a citizenship of any country in eruope your a european citizen and travel through Europe with just Ur ID and access to EU benefits

As long as the office which regulates the naturalisation of new citizens is named "Ausländerbehörde" I do not have much hope that Germany will gain the Race for qualified immigrants. In the USA the same institution is called "immigration service", asaik?