It helps to be precise in your language when describing perceived issues. When you switch the context by clicking the icons at the bottom, you are switching "spaces" not "profile layers". If you want the behavior where your favorites do not persist across spaces, create a new profile and assign it to that space. Each space has a profile with its favorites and its own independent "pinned" section. Favorites are shared across profiles, so what you want is for the favorites section to be linked to the space rather than the profile. But doing away with profiles altogether is a bad recommendation, imo. Profiles are useful when you can just switch a space and you're logged into all your work accounts and then in another space you're in all your personal accounts and content, searches and history etc don't bleed into each other. If arc did away with profiles I would uninstall it immediately. Also you can two finger slide gestures to switch spaces, just fyi.

@benjaminfortune2707

6 ай бұрын

Wish I could upvote this more than once. It seems quite straightforward to just have a separate profile for each space; I wonder if there's a reason Theo isn't doing that? Maybe sharing logins across profiles? Not sure how Chrome manages them, but could it result in multiple "saved logins" that need to be kept synchronised across profiles?

@avi7278

6 ай бұрын

This happens all the time. A person expresses an opinion about a product without taking the time to understand it. Admittedly Arc needs to do a better job of making it clear so that the person of average IQ can immediately get it. When you're developing a product, its use cases and intention is clear to you, but then your average person gets in there and starts mashing buttons and doing things you never expected, or expecting things you never expected. Remember, it's always your fault because obviously something isn't clear enough.

@devinosborne3396

6 ай бұрын

Fully agree 1000%. Well said and unfortunate he didn’t actually learn the product before reviewing it.

@joshandromidas

6 ай бұрын

Definitely agree. While I enjoyed Theo’s recent video with critiques and suggestions for Notion, this one was painful to watch because he obviously didn’t understand the app. I sincerely hope that the Arc team takes what he says with a grain of salt, because I really enjoy how spaces and profiles are currently handled.

@LC12345

6 ай бұрын

I came here to laugh, not to read

"I switched from Chromium to Chromium"

@iioxe

6 ай бұрын

this right here lol

@GabrielRodriguez-iz9ob

6 ай бұрын

Arc is chromium? Then what's holding them from releasing it for Linux and Windows?

@quintonashley5745

6 ай бұрын

@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9ob Swift lol

@masterflitzer

5 ай бұрын

@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9obdid you even watch the video?

@AdamPerkinsOneAndOnly

3 ай бұрын

@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9ob Swift. For Windows, they implemented WinUI in Swift on Windows. They took a huge risk and had to create the implementation of WinUI in Swift, and created a bunch of tooling around Swift on Windows that just didn't exist. Presumably they'd want to use Swift on Linux, which is okay, sort of. Gtk bindings for Swift do exist, but what would the implementation look like? Apple and WinUI have distinct, standardized layouts, standard components, with guidance on how an app SHOULD look. GTK and KDE don't exactly have this sort of dynamic, and which would you use?

This seems significantly less convenient than Firefox Multi-Account Containers for my use, but I'm very happy to see some innovation in the browser UI space. It has been stagnant for too long.

@lukivan8

6 ай бұрын

And vertical tabs.

@muhwyndham

6 ай бұрын

​@@lukivan8you can achieve vertical tab in Firefox with similar (or IMO better) implementation than arc does. Just browse around firefoxcss subreddit. You're most likely web engineers, CSS does not scare you.

@crowmanhusk5644

6 ай бұрын

i tried containers and they were meh. I did not find a usecase for having cookie isolation in the same window. also it doesn't isolate search, downloads or history. a separate profile for work and home is a much better flow for a majority of people.

@SpaceChicken

6 ай бұрын

As someone who’s used both, I actually find Arc’s management much more convenient (I haven’t found a way to break up bookmark bars in Firefox by container yet). Having my spaces with their bookmarks readily available is hugely helpful since I freelance for a few separate companies

@eliasgill2453

6 ай бұрын

​@@crowmanhusk5644 in cases when you have multiple accounts, lets say, an student account and your every day account. Is really anoying when you have to open another browser window only for 2, maybe 3 websites because you are using other account for that. Instead, containers open that page automatically with your "student" container. I mean, is a really specific use case, but is pretty handy and easy to use. For me, I have 3 containers: my main user account, my student account and the last one for youtube only 😂. Containers are the only extension that keeps me tied to Firefox

Never left Firefox

@PaulGrossmanTheDarkArtsWizard

6 ай бұрын

At least every test automation tool supports it.

@kapriolenpfeifer

5 ай бұрын

tree style tabs and removing tabs at top with custom css is just great. I love the options of firefox.

Definitely would like to see a reaction to that Arc video on how they approached building their windows platform in Swift.

@XeZrunner

6 ай бұрын

As far as I know, their GUI using Swift on Windows is already live and open-source, so people can build their own Swift GUI apps for Windows now too. Would be interesting to see someone trying it.

@kkkkkkq2

6 ай бұрын

Can't wait their windows buid

Also there is no conept of bookmarks where I just want to save some links without having a tab saved. because If I wanna move out of arc there is no way to export this list.

arc windows release kinda taking a while

@szmr

6 ай бұрын

Preach 😅

@samarthnagar2939

6 ай бұрын

Kek waiting for. linux

@drippindamnfaucet3309

6 ай бұрын

When will arc linux come out?

@s_shake

6 ай бұрын

I got windows access today, want an invite?

@whoisexaberri

6 ай бұрын

@@s_shakeCould I get that invite?

i tried Arc a long time ago, but the problem was: they use differnt shortcuts, so my muscle memory (settled from chrome usage) was against me, and Arc Support was not giving a solution, how to have shortcuts like in Chrome. I stopped then using Arc :/

Tabs in the sidebar is a really great feature. Before Arc I was that crazy person, who used Edge on Mac and Edge on Linux just because it has vertical tabs.

@spaceemotion1

6 ай бұрын

i am on windows, so arc isn't an option (yet) - but i also use edge for the vertical tabs and split panels. couldn't live without them anymore

@d3stinYwOw

6 ай бұрын

Have your heard about vertical tabs extensions for other browsers? ;)

@kamau6988

6 ай бұрын

I really like edge

@spaceemotion1

6 ай бұрын

@@d3stinYwOw I'm very open to trying those, but so far the ones I've tried haven't integrated into my workflow as easily as the native Edge way of doing things. Any good recommendations?

@lukivan8

6 ай бұрын

​@@spaceemotion1firefox vertical tabs extension is the reason I use firefox, edge felt so bad to use after them

I might switch to a sidebar for tabs because I am one of those people who has so many tabs open you can't even see what they are anymore.

There's an option to show the full URL on the toolbar, just right click the toolbar and it should be there

@mafiefa

6 ай бұрын

I forgot to mention that u have to unhide the toolbar first

While watching your video I agreed with your critique about spaces and profiles. But then I gave the spaces feature a go and having spaces not coupled to profiles makes a ton of sense. If you want the functionality of spaces being treated like different profiles, arc lets you do that. It's also very explicit when you create a new space about that. Moreover, I just wanted sectioning between work and non work but I still want a shared session between them. Spaces gives me that. I would rethink the critique there tbh. Not really a shortcoming of arc, but overall do agree that there are loose ends that they still need to tie up.

Theo is far too opinionated and brash without having formed his thoughts well enough and making sure he knows exactly what's going on

The Arc for Windows beta program is depressing to be honest, there has been only 72 persons enrolled in a month

@pastafanat

6 ай бұрын

OMG, it's only been 9 recently. Where do they get people so fast? They should slow down a little

@thenewdesign

6 ай бұрын

There is just nothing compelling about this browser at all. It's different for its own sake, and slows you down more than it improves anything

@dinckelman

6 ай бұрын

@@thenewdesign I'm all for trying new things, and so I did give Arc a shot, months ago. I just don't understand its workflow. It looks pretty, but I'm just not seeing the thought process behind how I'm intended to navigate through everything

@thenewdesign

6 ай бұрын

@@dinckelman Same, I was hyped on it before I actually tried it and on the waiting list for a seeming eternity. I have a bunch of ideas for making a browser myself, but never really dug into it. Arc's choices seem different for different's sake, without adding value. I can't blame Theo, his content path makes it super hard to come up w/ new video ideas so this is one he has to do. The fact that he didn't even know that Arc is canceled and the company is pivoting away from it is a bit surprising though

@Argylleagen

6 ай бұрын

If Arc was built on top of webkit, I would have been so much more excited; combine that with the sweet sweet unified Swift codebase and you have your audience cut out for you. But no, its just chrome with botox.

After getting used to Vivaldi, without even touching most of its features, the gestures became second nature so much so, that when using other browsers, I try to open or close a tab with a gesture and get confused for a second, haha

@mambans

6 ай бұрын

I've always used Gesturefy on Firefox for gestures. Tried vivaldi the last month and was nice seeing it natively implemented.

@nobytes2

6 ай бұрын

this is why I'm against using tools that require different shortcuts or gestures, muscle memory is pita. About 10 years ago I wrote a script for a program to make my own shortcuts via F key behavior. A few years back I ended up using the same program on someone laptop my first reaction was to use my shortcuts. Today I don't use any shortcuts aside from the obvious ctrl + c, etc.

The URL bar in full view is a MUST for any front end developer who works on multipage sites with dozens, hundreds or more routes. In fact, I wish I could increase the font size of the URL so can read more easily!! So Arc might work for personal use, but incognito chrome or firefox is a must for front end dev work

@nobytes2

6 ай бұрын

the url and secure icon should be shown all the time, maybe add a setting if you want to hide it but it should show up by default

Found out about arc a year ago and they seem to still have not released the windows version. lol

Could you use arc boost to solve your twitch chat profiles zoom issue. To get sidebar all the time you could use the dev mode with option d And I use cmd L also to see the full url when I need.

been seeing a lot of your videos recently and noticed you used Arc so huge dub i've used it for a while not (discovered it much longer ago when i was a Windows user and was wanting a macbook lmao)

i use Arc btw

the benefit of not using a profile is that you don't have login again in those profiles in all the accounts you want to access.

Is it open-source or is it yet another potential spyware?

In Windows we have the wonderful Edge browser (if you don't notice its obnoxiousness in advertising Microsoft products), which has borrowed some successful solutions from Arc and from other browsers (vertical tabs, window splitting, fast profiles switching for example).

Has anyone else tried Vivaldi? It's been my main for almost 2 years now and I love it

i dunno vivaldi can do vertical tabs too with sections

the first time i saw arc was way before even the beta for windows, and i LOVED the idea. and at the time i switched to edge (i was getting a new pc setup, and wanted to give it a shot). as soon as i found a feature of sidebar tabs in edge, i switched to it, and never could come back anymore. yes, there still were "old" bookmarks, but it helped me transition, too. when arc on windows came out, i immediately installed it and i wasn't feeling like i had to learn anything because i had basically the same browsing style in edge, except now it actually looked better and had color theme choices and spaces. i can never go back to the tabs on the top. i'm already used to a sidebar. and now, whenever i'm on someone else's pc, i use edge, but before using it i enable the sidebar mode. it's just so much more comfortable for me, and i don't even know why i used firefox before, too. when i got to firefox from google chrome, i could not come back to it ever again. i even tried. my brain just refused to use chrome. after going to edge, i didn't even bother getting any other browser, so i didn't try firefox or anything else because edge was my everything, it was enough. and then... arc. and im not even talking from a privacy standpoint - while yes, i am "for privacy", i still am what they call an armchair enthusiast, i don't do much to get to it, - and i went to firefox for the sole reason of trying something "new", not because ahh privacy omgomg. im always using arc now. i only upgraded to win11 because arc. i even showed it to my friend, and he loved it too, still uses it lol

I started using arc way back when it was fairly new for mac and needed an invite. I found that for dev work it wasn’t great and had a few issues - thankfully they’ve fixed these issues and I bloody love it (though I am mostly a windows user at the moment for work)

Does profile sync finally work? I need synced profiles, otherwise I cannot use arc productively 😔

Different zooms I want this desperately! I find it so so so so annoying. Zoom in on one tab and the other tabs get zoomed in too (chrome) idk if this is the same on Arc

im on the windows beta and tbh the worst part of it is how it adds a top bar for no apparent reason.

Not seeing the URL bar is SOOOOO fucking frustrating for me… If they at least added the option to enable developer mode globally (dev mode shows a blue bar with full url and some buttons, but only for a specific domain) I could swallow it, but the current state is not acceptable at all… Also, I’m daily driving Safari because the “tab overview” feature is a game changer for me and I can’t live without it, whenever I have like 15 tabs of docs open, I just zoom out and I see a grid of all my tabs and it’s perfectly readable (on retina screen anyway 😃), and I can find a tab I want in seconds… the closest thing to this was alt tabbing on windows when using Edge (it showed each tab in the window switcher), but even that is not that good. Sorry, rant over 😂

@itsbazyli

6 ай бұрын

View -> Show Toolbar, will persist the URL bar at the top, always.

I’m soooo tried of the Arc hype. Everyone makes it seem like the second coming of Christ. It’s a good browser but it’s still a browser.

I went to the Arc website to check out the product and it legit maxed out my CPU while I was there. What on *earth* are they doing with that site?

Spaces and profiles being separate concepts is a great feature IMO. It turns spaces into an organisational feature without forcing you into a different session. And you still get the option to tie profiles to your different spaces if you so choose.

I can't see anything special in Arc, Edge, Sidekick offer vertical tabs also and the experience are more intuitive than Arc exp.

3:00 oh nooo. Oh no. I currently have like 50-70+ tabs open (and try to keep it around that number all the time), and some of the tabs I have are open literally for MONTHS. They are not pinned(not static at all), they are more like "todo" but not as much strong as to put them somewhere in bookmarks, or a note. First group is like some github issues I currently have in work (maybe like 5-6), others is some immediately useful learning material, other music, and sometimes some random stuff as well. KZread does have "watch later", but it became so cluttered there that I just open it as a tab instead. I feel that I am, surprisingly, very productive with this setup, and overall with the chaotic style of organizing stuff.

If you shrink the bar the extensions pop out

i got 500+ tabs open in my firefox, closing after 7 days is a no go, i am not done with my work with the tabs in 7 days

@texloch1401

Ай бұрын

You can manually set this time to whatever you want, or disable the feature.

Would be really interested in the Swift on Windows video

I was going to try out Arch. But the concept of profiles is crucial for me. So I'll wait 😅

@itsbazyli

6 ай бұрын

Profiles are there, fully implemented. The complaint was that Spaces aren't by default linked to Profiles. You can customize it manually though.

I feel like Vivaldi already has it all and is around for a very long time compared to Arc, so honestly I'm quite sceptical about it. And hacking your way to build the Swift on Windows even though might be amazing, also sounds like trouble.

@GiacomoRebonato

6 ай бұрын

Vivaldi user here as well and I feel the same

@jazzymichael

6 ай бұрын

Im not a Vivaldi user, but I agree with the troublesome swift application on windows. Interesting, but not ideal.

@crustydev5561

6 ай бұрын

From a business point of view, I agree about Swift, but personally, I really hope that it becomes more of a mainstream language and stuff like this helps it

@probablykasper

6 ай бұрын

Building Swift on Windows is not hacky, Swift has officially supported that for over 3 years

made the move to a browser thats not even out yet.. great

@arc please fix the downloads section 😭

I would love to hear about your workflow and what is it exactly that constitutes a "browser gets out of my way" behaviour. What are your criteria? Also also also, wouldn't it be even better if someone else actually created another rendering / JS engine instead of reusing Chrome? Or since MS gave up, now everyone bar Apple and Mozilla have given up?

why does Brave install a vpn and enable it silently on systems? malware?

I don't understand, why don't you just use Vivaldi? They're both chromium based whilst Vivaldi is a free software (part of the Free Software Foundation, not open source completely, which is honestly still good), Vivaldi includes plethora of features that work phenomenally, and if you don't want it, you can turn it off. They have sidebars, workspaces, tab tiles, group tabs, tab hibernation, gestures, customisable keybinds, and so much more... Saying this as an ex Vivaldi user of 2+ years.

While we're at it can we get arc for linux please?

Dude! I love the sidebar setup here.

I've had access to the windows beta and its total booboo. It's unusably buggy/unstable and feels like it only has a fraction of a fraction of the features that mac has implemented.

I use Arc as well, and for me the biggest draw is that I can have multiple "spaces" (the icons at the bottom) instead of multiple windows open, which makes things soooo much easier.

Also, it’s very clear that spaces are for physical organization, profiles are for isolation

i cannot take the thumbnail selfies seriously

Installed it, it demanded a login, uninstalled. If i desire tab syncing then I would signup but don't force me.

I want to know about innovations that blocks ads i dont want new background colors

When you started talking about browsers that introduce meaningful features, I was sure you were going to say you switched to Vivaldi. If I was not a die hard Firefox user, that's what I'd use. If you haven't tried tiled tabs and stacked tabs, you are missing out

@dushtube

6 ай бұрын

Tiled tabs exist on Arc as well (its called split views). Haven't used stacks but I think that might be like folders in Arc? Either way, def agree that these are pretty killer features to have.

@Foenixcrafter

6 ай бұрын

for me its more the mouse gestures that I miss on other browsers, with a simpl swipe i close or re open a tab switch the tabs etc.

In Arc, wouldn't you just create a -new tab with a -different profile with the -same google sign-in.

How do they make money?

How to get invite?

Give me Cmd/Ctrl+B to hide/show the side bar. Wish the web was more resonsive in general in desktop. YT for example I generall have my browser at half width of my monitor and the experince is just garbage. I use the other half for coding or other stuff.

also i don't recall but did you ever mess with the Boost feature? it allows you to customize sites to an extent

@esnho

5 ай бұрын

I can’t see the advantage of using Boost, how do you use it ?

@ManWhoLostTheWar

5 ай бұрын

@@esnho it's just a neat little customization feature where you can create a preset style for each site. allows you to change the hue of the site and make it darker or lighter.

Arc is defintiely not perfect, but man it's a joy to use. I never expected to be ditching Chrome within a year when I got my Arc invite in 2022

What a programming influencer moved to Arc?! THIS IS UNHEARD OF! 😂

Arc is great! But yeah.. the download button is messed up 😅 Profiles is also weird, in the end I just have to use a different profile for each space

I hate the fact that you can't sync desktop Arc with your mobile Arc browser, I mean there is a mobile browser from Arc team but it is not working properly

It is a chrome... but it is written in Swift? Do I miss something?

yeah i don't think the persistence issue between spaces is a bug or an implementation problem. it's just not what it's meant to be imo

Is this the youtube's version of writer's block.

Why not just use Edge?

Swift on Windows video when?

Theo, onde little secret feature Chrome have is the F11 Key, Man, Thais is blow your mind, really.

That's weird, when i did the migration it brought over my chrome profiles as separate profiles and the pins on top are completely separate, and the zoom settings are separate. There must be a way to create separate spaces as profiles but I haven't looked into that since I haven't needed it. Then one can have multiple spaces under the same profile, but that can get a little crazy... do i create a space for each project under my profile? is that too much?

I switched to arc browser recently, it’s so worth it. It’s the basic browser experience so fun again

it's always good to have competition. nonetheless, one shouldn't consider "shipping new features" as a reason to ditch a browser. We all agree that a browser is just.. a browser. Honestly what I care the most is stability, efficient resource consumption and no anti consumer moves.

@gameplaychannel9435

6 ай бұрын

the forced anti adblock pushes on chrome was it for me , im a brave user now . I feel like google is abusing chrome for more profit now.

@pali122

6 ай бұрын

​@@gameplaychannel9435 Indidnt wanted to try brave and is amazing, just using youtube is a bliss

@declup

6 ай бұрын

Or, anyway, browsers should just be ... browsers. The more everybody kitchen-sinks them, the more maintenance, security, and usability problems for everybody.

@denysdorokhov6355

6 ай бұрын

No, we do not all "agree", please don't speak for everyone. For me layout, looks and customization are as important as stability

@declup

6 ай бұрын

@@denysdorokhov6355 -- But mascit didn't say that _we_ all agree to care most about stability. Mascit said "what _I_ care about most is stability."

If you right click on the url when you have it on top rather than in the sidebar there's an option to show the full url so you can keep that extra context. I moved the url to the top and have it showing the full url, I think it's minimal enough that it stays out of my way and I like being able to actually see the full url.

"I'm shilling your product-give me stuff, damnit!" Bro said the quiet part out loud 😂

using for some time already arc on mobile and mac - same opinion some stuff need to be fixed - for me the payment's is not the same that in chrome but i can live with it. Also gramarly is not integrated in it.Great content as usual.

Wish it could have been easier, but everything you get from Arc out of the box is very possible to achieve in Firefox. It takes some elbow grease, but I even managed to reach near-identical UI and UX experiences with extra capabilities and fixes (e.g. auto-hiding the sidebar to expand above the webpage, fixing the page width closer to standard aspect-ratios and preventing layout shifting risk) that I'm sure will land on Arc in later releases. Firefox does suffer from the same issue of feature prioritisation conflicting with reasonable expiations from the user-base, but it's still worth investing into as the most promising alternative to compete with Chrome and Google's monopolization of the web platform.

I am happily giving Arc another try when they are ready for windows. I use both, macos and windows regularly but as long as they aren't ready yet I still use brave

Just made the move.. loving it so far

On the waitlist for the Windows beta access. For now I am using Edge beta with vertical tabs, it's very convenient.

I'm not an expert in browsers or something but isn't chrome the biggest browser that's not open source? Can someone explain what he meant at the end?

@mukta5417

6 ай бұрын

Yep chrome is, just misspoke ig

I tend to default back to Safari, but I do really like Arc. I agree about disliking context being lost in the url, like right now I know I'm on youtube, the url should show the more relevant part (the channel/user). The side by side is really cool, not always a fan of disappearing tabs (as someone who opens then and only eventually closes them)

Arc is by no means perfect, but I still like it and they do address a lot of the concerns relatively quickly-again maybe not as requested, but at least they listen and try to come up with a general solution without bloating it with 500 settings. Something to get used to, but it has been my daily driver for the past year.

Memory management sucks still so I gave up on Arc for third time already. It slows my M1 mac with 16gb ram to a halt every time. The great suspender” works but if you split screen, it suspends the other window. This is only good if you have the patience to manually turn on/off tabs.

i have a similar setup using firefoxx extensions and css to make it completely side bar oriented, and whenever i watch your videos and that side bar comes up i have been wondering what browser were you using / setup you had. now i got my answer and i definitely going to be looking into this

I just dont understand why you would want to lose so much screen space to have a sidebar that you aren't using most of the time

I haven't looked at Arc but I hate the opinionated idea that tabs go away on their own. Anyway, I'm in the process of dropping Chrome for Vivaldi - have you looked at it?

@itsbazyli

6 ай бұрын

You can disable it if you want. I personally think it's brilliant, have it set to auto-close after 30 days.

I hope chrome will build a sidebar like this soon

They lost me at the point where making an account Is a requirement to use the damn thiing

Doesn't the Vivaldi browser basically have all those features, and more? Arc does look better tho.

Can't arc just put the side broswer on top of the website when hovered?

@texloch1401

Ай бұрын

correct. You can pin/unpin the sidebar with ctrl + s

2:00 This is why i never assume anything about the user's viewport when developing a site. And I always test ridiculous viewport sizes.

took you a while :)

I find a small url bar being very annoying.

I feel you fundamentally misunderstand the bookmarks. It is identical to chrome, in the sense one should be able to access them no matter where they are in the browser. As a college student, all my profiles are my different classes and the associated classes with them. The one common thing they have is a canvas page. Rather than pinning canvas to each profile, why would I not just bookmark canvas?

Been using Arc since it's first public Beta but may switch to Opera GX soon.

Persistent zoom levels would be so huge

who tf was the one who raised their hand and said "swift, we'll worry about cross platform later" wrappers on wrappers on wrappers

What you mean about, you don’t want to be open source?

Had the same experience, after a day I switched back to Firefox and Chrome on my first try. Now super happy with Arc and learned a thing or two from your video. Thanks Theo