400,000 miles... that's roughly $100,000 worth of gas he "didn't" buy.. not mention over 100 oil changes... and the list goes on. Even losing 20% of the range, is still a very usable car.

@joshn2342323

12 күн бұрын

Hilarious too that gasheads are fearmongering us about the cost of replacing the battery in an EV. LMAO, absolute fools!

@peterst111

7 күн бұрын

Where you see 400k miles?🤔🤷🏻‍♂️ ? In video from 5:57…☝️ look again pls … all interior dash scene shots is from same ‼️ car (same vin number)🤷🏻‍♂️‼️🤨 wth you talking about and all numbers is on KM …☝️🫣 that’s mean kilometres 🤦🏻👍

My 2007 golf has 440000 miles, engine still going but the rest is no longer due to age. Best engine ever 1.9tdi

My new 2017 model x with 80,000 miles never visited a service center. Only maintenance have been tires, 2 sets. I charge at home with Solar. Still looks, feels, and drives like new. No rattles or squeaks. I want to see how long it will last. I usually buy a new business car every 3-4 years but nothing better out there than my Tesla. Totally happy. Other previous cars ready to trade in 4 years. I have been spoiled by minimum maintenance. No oil filters in land fills and dealerships checkups every year. My wife owns a Porsche. Very dependable but yearly oil change/checkup/software update $1000.

@rvo8915

Ай бұрын

Free advice: Change your brake fluid at least once every 2 years, this fluid is hygroscopic, iaw, it absorbs water. This gives internal corrosion and mountain down with a full battery vapour lock in your brake callipers. That means, no brake power due to gas forming in the brake callipers due to heat.

@mvansb23

Ай бұрын

If you don’t charge during the day or don’t have a large storage system then you are charging on coal. The vast majority of EV drivers are charging on coal. You may not be. But most are. While idiots like our policy makers and this channel pretend they are helping the environment.

@MarkLauzonTheStoneGuy

Ай бұрын

My 2024 model X I love it kzread.info/dash/bejne/dX-hmMmcidSZoJs.htmlsi=2xKaLSvzK0CpwIi7

EV tires can last for as long as the tires on an ICE car. But EVs are more able to shred tires than ICE cars. That is because EVs have, on average, a whole lot more power than ICE cars do. EV owners who drive gently experience long tire life.

@GDM22

Ай бұрын

Yet over on the Tesla Plaid Channel he has done over 900 quarter mile sprints on his OEM tyres with over 21,000 miles on the clock.

@L1VE3V1L

Ай бұрын

I will go through tyres if I own a Tesla, and that’s fine. Fanging around in a M3P would be hard not to.

@Khanfuzed1

Ай бұрын

i had to replace mine at 21k… i do not drive crazy because i don’t actually enjoy the “torque” despite wasting the money on m3p lol

@kevinchadwick8993

Ай бұрын

Correct but a slight innaccuracy. Electric motors have high torque at low speeds which can shred tyres especially with the battery weight. This torque quickly falls away at higher speeds so high power isn't actually accurate.

@geemy9675

Ай бұрын

@@GDM22 900 1/4 miles is a lot and would be very hard on a gas car with clutch/torqeue converter/transmission etc. but its actually only 225 miles 😀 So even if it did wear the tires 50x quicker than regular driving, it would still only add ~10k of wear BTW tesla plaid never loses traction on a drag strip with the launch control software, so tire wear is not comparable to a RWD car sending 100% to the rear wheels and doing pre race burnouts also sticky surface = less tire slip so I'm not sure how hard it is on the tires. I think on regular road its the tire slip that rips small particles of rubber. on sticky road I don't know if its possible that some rubber gets removed just from the stickyness but its still impressive

I have a 2018 Model 3 Long Range rear wheel drive that I purchased new. Pushing 100k miles and have lost about 6% range. I had the upper control arms replaced just because the noise was annoying and to keep the car in good shape. Replaced the 12V battery after four years (it was surprising inexpensive). Other than that, three sets of tires (nails took out one of those sets) and my brake pads are still at nearly 90%. Never had anything so reliable, fun and maintenance free in over 40 years of driving!

Exactly this! I see so many comments from people referring to EVs as having short life spans when its the opposite that is true. Certainly for Tesla at any rate.

@alexandruilea915

Ай бұрын

I also see people saying the cars lose their value very fast, but that's just because there's not a lot of second-hand buyers yet. At 25k euros in Europe the long range model 3's that have under 100k miles are flying of the "shelf". I'm looking to buy one in about month and every single one that I've found and kept the tab opened to sold withing 5 days. That being said, I'm looking at VAT deductible once mostly but still. People buy them even as second-hand cars. Other "trashy" EVs like Nissan Leaf that has shitty battery management are definitely less looked for, I wouldn't trust a Nissan 6 years old battery too.

@geemy9675

Ай бұрын

@@alexandruilea915 Yeah nissan leaf no thermal management means its ok if you live in a mild climate like SF (lowest and highest ever recorded temps 40F-106F. In DC we sometimes get 60F difference in the same day 😂) but it doesn't like extremes. One good thing about the leaf if you're buying a used one though, is that you can see the approximate battery degradation straight on the dashboard with number of battery bars

@macrumpton

Ай бұрын

My eight year old Fiat 500 E with 65,000 miles still has over 95% of its original battery capacity.

@-whackd

Ай бұрын

The people making those comments have never owned an EV and never investigated one.

@alexandruilea915

Ай бұрын

@@geemy9675 The thing is that the thermal management also helps with faster charging so not having it means long charging times in road trips.

This is the kind of information that needs to be distributed. 420,000 miles on the same battery is a powerful, powerful, sales feature for EVs in general, particularly Teslas. The most I’ve been able to get out of my longest running ICE car was 230,000 miles. At that point the rubber seals on the transmission and engine failed, making the car junk. These rubber seals are the Achilles heels on ICE vehicles, and when they fail at that many miles the fix is more than the value of the car. I’ve got 72,000 miles on my Bolt. In 8 more years, I’ll be at 210,000. The car will probably outlive me. Let’s see how long our EV’s can go.

@tariqs2072

Ай бұрын

I've hit 398,000kms on '99 civic sedan Started heating up. No other major issues and the car was sold to a small dealer within 8hrs of posting my Ad. 355,000 kms on 2010 civic and this was ended with a collision, again was completely fine and had tons of life ahead. Just the a/c give you an issue at this point for civics and if you want to fix this issue it would have cost around $600-$1200 is what I was told. New parts. Used vs new. So the civic has been great. I bought another 2013 civic at 26k and now it has 167,000kms again no issues just regular oil change, tires, my brake pads last about 90k-100k, muffler had corrosion so I got a new one installed ($260 part+labour).

@renaissanceman5847

Ай бұрын

$100 worth of seals on your ice car would have given you another 100,000 miles.

@robsalvv5853

Ай бұрын

Does the fact that there have been BEV fires mean that this is the likely experience awaiting EV Owner’s? That’s the flip side of using statistical outliers as marketing examples - that marketing knife is double edged.

@zooker7507

Ай бұрын

I got 350,000 miles out of my honda when I sold it and it was in perfect working order. I just wanted something bigger.

@zooker7507

Ай бұрын

and I never once had to wait to charge it. I could fuel it up in under a minute and it had 400 miles of range. It was reliable dependable and a great car to drive.

The main advantages of LFP over Li-Ion are: Their cycle life is greater They’re cheaper The fire risk is reduced They don’t use cobalt They can be charged to 100% without degradation Disadvantages: They have a lower energy density

@keithoneill6273

Ай бұрын

Also lose some range in cold conditions.

@DannyPorsche

Ай бұрын

I have a 2021 model 3 SR+. Is that lfp or li-ion? I don’t know the difference. Thank you.

@fredbloggs5902

Ай бұрын

@@DannyPorsche My understanding is that if it recommends NOT charging to 100% then it’s Li-Ion, if it says it’s ok then it’s LFP. I don’t know the screen navigation to check that.

@ledzeppelin1212

Ай бұрын

@@fredbloggs5902I think you are correct. But the SR models after 2020 were pretty much guaranteed to be LFP.

Hi Sam, greetings from the U.K. I’m 58, I’ve owned many ICE cars in my time and I usually bought used cars and kept them as long as is viable. The best I got to was 193k miles in a BMW E36 (1998 3 Series), by this time the car had become a money pit, oil leaks, ignition problems, failing radiator, alternator, water pump. The last straw was the head gasket, which just put the car beyond economic repair. EVs have none of these parts!

@beyondalpha1072

Ай бұрын

How old was the 400k? ANd what % of them will go that? he just found a few handful? Space is a Lie, nothing floating in space Goyim, why not mention the year of the one that did it?

@TreDeuce-qw3kv

Ай бұрын

?... Unfortunate. My 96' 328is has 205,+++ miles with only the passenger side mirror and the drivers window switch(s) failing. I fixed both myself.

@frequentlycynical642

Ай бұрын

Well, it IS a BMW. Never known as an economy car.

@sebulban

Ай бұрын

I´ve had many ICE cars where the mileage has been last 300k km with no repairs other than periodic maintenance. In fact, none of my cars have had any engine related problems. I never bought a new car. Generally the miles when buying has been 50-100k and I’ve sold them when they’ve had 250-400k. I drive around 50k a year

@frequentlycynical642

Ай бұрын

@@sebulban Modern engines last "forever" with synthetic lubricants. Transmissions are a crap shoot. Failures have little to do with friction and wear if one follows the maintenance schedule. Often a sudden part failure.

I was watching a video on the Tesla Plaid Channel where the owner has undertaken over 900 1/4 mile sprints on drag strips (9.3 second quarter miles) and is still using the original OEM tyres that now have over 21,000 miles on them. Meanwhile we have comments over on the Mguy channel that Tesla tyres last around 5000kms.

@jetdigital

Ай бұрын

Must not be to fast if he doesnt need drag slicks So he has 250 miles drag racing his tires I dont get the math

@GDM22

Ай бұрын

@@jetdigital Yeah he does 9.3 second quarter miles, one after the other. The math is he done over 21,000 miles on the original OEM tyres in an extremely high performance car where he has demonstrably used the performance; what don't you understand.

@justinr9753

Ай бұрын

Dragstrip is sticky straight line.

@Gazza-rv8ud

Ай бұрын

MGUY makes many foolish claims. He has built a large subscriber base by cultivating fear and spreading misinformation about EV's. Most of his subscribers claim to know everything about EV's but have neither owned or driven one.

@GWAForUTBE

Ай бұрын

Andrew has a great show stomping wheel hopping drag cars.

The problem with the upper control arm Sam was actually the seal on the ball joint. Many of those seals failed fairly early or after only a few years, allowing water into the ball joint which of course meant it started to rust and then started to make noise. New seals from a different source has obviated this problem. And there are also aftermarket options. But you are right that is the most common point of mechanical difficulty. I wouldn't call it mechanical failure because it literally takes years of noise before the ball joint becomes unstable

There is an 2021 LFP battery SR+ on TeslaFi that has done 168,000 miles, and has only lost 5.5% of battery range. I think LFP will easily go to 500,000 miles!

@beyondalpha1072

Ай бұрын

How old was the 400k? ANd what % of them will go that? he just found a few handful? Space is a Lie, nothing floating in space Goyim, why not mention the year of the one that did it?

@dougwebb917

26 күн бұрын

I probably won't live long enough to 500k miles, I will pass the car down to one of my kids.

@jarehelt

12 күн бұрын

I got 170k on my long range awd and lost only 7% range. It might fail tomorrow for alll I know but so far so good

One year 22000km on my model 3 only one tyre rotation for me and that's it. Tesla told me my tyres are good for about 40000 or 50000km!!! So they last a long time if u regularly rotate them

From 5:59 mark, you're saying "miles" instead of "km"

@pvic6959

Ай бұрын

good callout for anyone who is only listening. im surprised it happened so many times

@jlm4836

Ай бұрын

Get a life. Our world has miles and klm’s. Mark is discussing vehicle(s), not just the one Tesla in the headline. 🧐

@Wardropulous

Ай бұрын

​@@jlm4836 he's saying miles when the content on screen reads kilometres, that's all that's been pointed out. 600 miles is quite different to 600 kilometres

30+ years in the tire business. We see 10k miles and sometimes less on a regular basis on EV’s. It all depends on driving style and rotations. All you have to do is rotate more frequently, say 3000miles instead of 5000miles.

@That-Guy_

Ай бұрын

Just changed the tires on my Tesla Model 3 rwd at 34k miles. Only 1 tire rotation at 10k miles.

@blanketwodahs6741

Ай бұрын

My wife and I have been through 5 teslas. Tire wear was no different than any of the other cars we have owned the prior 15 years.

@mylesgray3470

Ай бұрын

My model y tires have barely any wear at all at 15k miles. I think I will easily get 50k miles out of the original tires at this rate. I keep it in chill mode all the time and I think that’s the key.

@bryanwhitton1784

Ай бұрын

First set on my Model 3 LR RWD were replaced at 38K miles. Still had some usable tread on them but replaced them because the Michelin Sport Touring tires came on sale. I have about 85K on the car now and the Michelins still have tread on them. I rotate every 12.5K miles as the manual states. I use Tesla Stats to remind me when the tires need rotating. I don't drive slow but I don't drive harsh either.

Did 25.000 miles in my old tesla model 3 before selling it, tires were still good. I think that is pretty good in general.

@Ryan-ff2db

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the tire wear thing is vastly overstated. I get about 45,000 and I don't drive slow. My Toyota got somewhere between 50 and 60 so it is less but not much.

@bryanwhitton1784

Ай бұрын

@@Ryan-ff2db I'm working on 50K on my Model 3 using Michelin Sport Touring tires.

As more and more Teslas are on the road, people will see them easily going 300k and even skeptics will start doing the math. The overall cost of ownership is amazing with Teslas. I'm saving $250 per month vs a gas car, and 0 maintenance in over 2 years. Same tires.

@RandyP-jr1ek

Ай бұрын

If only the insurance rates would drop as well, then you could actually save some significant Mullah. Tesla offers insurance, but it is so big brotherish I’d hate it - personally.

@yeahbuddy92193911

Ай бұрын

@@RandyP-jr1ek I'm actually only paying $60 per month, in some states insurance isn't bonkers.

2018 Model 3 here w 372,000km. My current set of 20" Goodyear tires have 120,000+km on them. Piano Black lives near me in Ontario. I used to be #1 on the high mileage page, not anymore.

I’ve had the model Y since it released in 2020, first set of tires was at 25k miles. Second set just went on at 74k. So nearly 50k in between. I think it has to do owning a new car and getting that acceleration thrill which goes away after a while. Also battery is holding a -10% but I still feel that the computer adjusts on driving habits not actual degradation.

@alexandruilea915

Ай бұрын

Definitely that's the case. You don't do too many launches after you have done some hundreds when you bought the car. Also knowing it's harsh on tires you probably didn't pressure then that much in corners as well.

@bryanwhitton1784

Ай бұрын

I recommend Tesla Stats. It's an app that monitors your Tesla and reports on the battery degradation. I use it and love the detail it provides plus it reminds me to rotate tires and replace cabin filters. It isn't free but very reasonable.

I think the tyre wear story is out of date. Special tyres have been developed & this is no longer a problem.

I have owned my 2018 M3 LR for almost 6 years & have over 116K miles on it. I have lost about 15% of my range, but my initial year or so of charging wasn't very battery friendly. I drive pretty conservatively & take long X-country trips (Maine, Florida, San Diego, Seattle) to visit family & friends. I replaced my original tires @ 85K miles. Hard to even imagine owning any other car than a Tesla.

Premium taxi service from lax to Vegas offer MB(gas ICE) and Teslas in their fleets. Videos on line comparing cost of high mileage Tesla and high mileage gas MB. Many Tesla Model S and X with over 500,000 still running strong with primarily just tires for maintenance. The Gas MB taxis 10 times the costs by 500, ooo miles.

My Model x tires last 30,000 miles. If you have a heavy foot, yes you can wear them out faster as any high horsepower vehicle. Sport car tires rarely make it to 10,000 miles especially if unable to rotate tires. Companies now make long range/heavy mileage EV tires

In fairness to LFP they only been in Tesla's since around 2021, how could we expect to see such high mileage examples, it doesn't mean they won't be able to do those kms and more.

@Aggie4life77

Ай бұрын

True, but 300k miles is 300k miles🤷🏾‍♂️. Also, model S and X’s have been out there for 12+ years!

@GDM22

Ай бұрын

@@Aggie4life77 I don't understand the point you are trying to make, it was about Model 3's so exclude S & X's. How could an LFP car a maximum of 3 years old have that type of mileage, it is not because they can't it is because they haven't been around long enough.

@Ryan-ff2db

Ай бұрын

I agree. In theory LFP's have a much better cycle life, typically in the 6,000 cycle range at 80 percent. Whether this translates into real life time will tell, but since they are only a couple years old there's not many test cases yet. For reference 6,000 cycles is somewhere between 1.2 to 1.5 million miles but I'm doubting they'll last that long in a vehicle.

2019 Model 3 Performance - almost 5 years, around 50k miles, no mechanical issues and no maintenance other than replacing tires for the first time this year. I also had a taillight replaced for free in the first year because it got condensation in it. Electric is so incredibly superior to ICE, without even considering anything to do with the environment. My operating cost is almost nothing compared to an ICE and you have to spend $100's to get the performance I get. I'll beat almost anything out there. And I got FSD when I bought it (was only $5k at the time) and my car has gotten better over the years. The FSD is now stunning. It is actually "Full Self Driving" other than me having to babysit. It's amazing. I don't know why the media and many people are coming so hard at EVs and Musk. Makes no sense.

First hand experience - my tyres on my EVs last SIGNIFICANTLY LESS than on my ICE. But this may have to do a lot with me having a blast day in day out with the EV power rather than ICE. And it's the only cost anyway, so why not, still cheaper than maintenance of my ICE.

For all the goods, I gotta say the most expense maintenance would be tires, the instant torque and regen braking are brutal on the tires... here in Canada we require legally to have snow/winter tires too and where most people go through maybe 1 set every 4-5 years each.. if you got a Tesla get ready to have a set every 2-3 years

I got 286,000 miles (yes miles) from my VW Passat diesel in nearly 19 years, and would have kept it going but the tailgate catch jammed, and there are Low Emission Zones all over the place. It was pretty embarrassing to leave a cloud of soot everywhere I went, but it did 50 mpg. I have gone full electric now. This is a reassuring video for people worrying about making the switch.

Given that range in an EV is mainly about road trips (most people don't drive very far commuting), if you have an older high milage Tesla, it's actually gotten easier / faster to road trip as maybe your battery has gone down 10 or 15% but the number of Super Chargers has gone up and the distance between has gone down which is what is really important.

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

Depends on STATE. in CA average commuter travels 100 miles per day , some 100 miles one way.

My wife's ioniq 5 tires lasted 60,000 miles. 70% freeway driven. That is the key.

2:10 I am sorry to hear that you haven't had an ICE car that has lasted more than 200 000 miles. We had an old 240 diesel Mercedes that we sold because of rust troubles in the body when it had 670 000 km. The engine and transmission were fine but the car needed welding. Now we have two Toyota cars and both have 350 000 km on each and we are not selling those anytime soon. Cheers!

@frequentlycynical642

Ай бұрын

Hundreds of thousands of mile on a modern engine with synthetic lubricants is now ho hum. Common. I own such a critter.

@constantbuzz

18 күн бұрын

But, these cars lack performance, which makes such a feet not particularly difficult.

@frequentlycynical642

18 күн бұрын

@@constantbuzz How does one feet enter into the conversation, other than pressing on the Go Faster pedal.

@constantbuzz

18 күн бұрын

@@frequentlycynical642 Most EVs are a 0-100 KMH in less than 6 seconds, a great deal of them are less than 5 and 4 seconds, These cars are expected to pass the 200K mile mark if one treats the battery right. (Granted, many people have no idea of the laws of lithium- that is, how to care for the battery, but those who do can get the full potential of the battery pack service life). Doing the same with a ICE vehicle that has the same level of speed performance is a much more difficult feat- expensive. An ICE drivetrain with that kind of strain placed on it will require much more frequent replacing of failed parts at random times, especially after 100K miles. (And that is also assuming you have an owner that knows well the needed preventative maintenance an ICE vehicle needs).

@frequentlycynical642

17 күн бұрын

@@constantbuzzHow did you get that long off topic diatribe out of my simple comment saying that 200K miles on a maintained ICE is routine these days?

Tyre degradation is highly dependent on the type of tyre. My father drove Michelin PS5 for 10.000km and the tyres were slicks. Now he has Hankook tyres and they are still like new after 20.000km. I drove 116.000 km on my Skoda Enyaq (Pirelli) and they are still at 3.4mm.

My 2009 Ford Escape Hybrid has 886,000 km on it. Original engine and BATTERY PACK. So there!

193,900 mi on my 2020 M3 LR. Replaced upper control arms for under $300. 12 volt battery for $115. On my third set of tires. Yes only 2 sets fully used. Front window $0 ( insurance covered). I still have the original 2020 wiper blades on the vehicle.

This is exactly what I try to tell people. A 3 phase electric induction motor will just go on and on. The stator doesn't touch the rotor, it's just the bearings that rotate. No oil needed to lubricant metal surfaces moving against each other. More efficient, less complex and huge lifespan. It's interesting that the 21700 batteries are lasting so long, if they are lasting that long, then it's no wonder the lifepo4 batteries are getting incredible milage in Chinese Taxis.

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

thats FALSE the Tesla electric motors are Bathed in oil, and each motors has TWO oil filters. you might need to Replace the oil after 10 years.

@toriwatson9655

Ай бұрын

@@markplott4820 The motor has no oil, you are referring to the reduction gears and differential. The transmission oil in these are not contaminated by combustion, so don't need regular changing. Tesla used to recommend some intervals to change this oil, but no longer do, it was probably unnecessary.

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

@@toriwatson9655 - ALL Tesla Electric drive unit Motors have an OIL Jacket , and Dual OIL filters & oil pump. however , ZERO maintenance is needed for 10 years.

@toriwatson9655

Ай бұрын

@@markplott4820 This is why hub motors are an interesting alternative. I built my electric motorcycle with one, no chain, no drive train, simple as it gets. The penalty is unsprung weight, so not good for off road. I don't think any cars use them, too much unsprung weight and need to redesign brakes maybe.

@markplott4820

Ай бұрын

@@toriwatson9655 - still NOT as fast as a Tesla RWD single motor . also NOT as Efficient. 134 mpg. but Tesla not interested in Motorbikes.

Great stuff Sam. We love our M3. Oh ... and I love your hair ... LOL

People with a heavy right foot will Where the tyres out faster

Well my 2010 Roadster 2.5 has gone about 60,000km and the range at full charge has gone from 390km to 345km. I am very happy.

Love the video. Keep it up buddy 🙌

I’ve gone through 10 tires after 43,000 miles in my Tesla model three long range dual motor daily because of Californias deteriorating roads and lots holes . Everything was smooth. I’m sure it would last a lot longer.

Model 3 tyres last as long as you allow them to. Drive it like a WRX, get WRX wear. They go faster than a WRX. Drive it “normally” and get normal wear. But all tyres have a bias… handling, noise or longevity. You get to pick.

I have been saying this for a while. If a Tesla lasts 2X or more than an ICE car it is a bargain. Today you could buy a used Model S knowing that someday you might have to change the battery or a motor and have a great luxury car for 10 years or more.

Just Checked a BMW forum; the tyre of a BMW with similar performance to the Tesla Model 3 a BMW M3 says:- "dependent on your driving. Some folk can get close to 20k, some as little as 3-4k. On average, I'd guess 12-15k?". If people use the phenomenal acceleration available to a dual-motor Tesla regularly, the tyres will wear. Stick to chill mode if you want tyres to last.

@andreasl4507

Ай бұрын

Had same for 4500 km. One pair for summer and one for winter.

Another great vid Sam. Cheers from Canada.

Most of my vehicles I got rid of, usually scrapped, at about 10 years old and rarely over 100k miles. I was not meticulous in their up keep but they got their regular service. My mindset was always keep them until they were uneconomical to fix. I'm beginning to wonder about my present van. It's about 8 1/2 years old and done over 80k so on my previous history I should be starting to collect problems. But nothing is going wrong with it. I would like a van with longer range, it never had much and the modern EVs are so much better these days. But I'm not really used to getting rid of a vehicle that looks like it has many years left in it.

@danharold3087

Ай бұрын

People who turn their own wrenches generally buy the sort of cars your junking. A friend drove old BMWs out until literally everything was wrong out. Near the end they were like the old saw says, a loose collection of parts traveling in formation.

@Aggie4life77

Ай бұрын

It depends on the miles. At 100k miles, you can still sell albeit at a much reduced price. It’s not quite ready to scrap. At 200k, it’s over!

@kalebdaark100

Ай бұрын

@@danharold3087 Well I've not been in the position to buy a BMW, the cars I've driven most people wouldn't want at 10 years old. But as I said, that's is not the problem I have these days it seems.

@kalebdaark100

Ай бұрын

@@Aggie4life77 depends where the car lives. In the UK, where I live, it's not unusual for the weather to have got to them at the 10 year mark. As it was the cars I was getting rid of weren't worth the effort of chasing down a buyer to me. But this is not the problem I seem to be facing anymore. Even the bodywork on my van seems to be holding up.

@danharold3087

Ай бұрын

@@kalebdaark100 My point is that comparing new cars to the more or less discarded cars wrench turners drive is not useful. Unless we are pointing out that turning wrenches reduces cost of ownership to where keeping an older car is a reasonable thing to do.

The tyres would wear relative to the amount of power/punishment they put them through.

@stefan2796

Ай бұрын

Most Tesla drivers: "pedal to the metal"... See it all the time. They always want to arrive first at the next traffic light.

@pdloder

Ай бұрын

@@stefan2796 and I don't blame them for doing it, with all that extra power to play with... Jus don't do that and expect the same number of miles from your rubber as your old ICE car.

@bryanwhitton1784

Ай бұрын

It isn't quite as simple as that. The problem that I have seen with BEV tires is more of the result of the power delivery It is the same with motorcycle rear tires and standard crank vs. cross plane cranks. A cross plane crank eliminates the continuous engine torque and sets it up with more spacing between the power pulses. This gives the tire more time between pulses to regain traction and allow the tire to recover. The bike is more controllable and tires last longer. A BEV has continuous power deliver, there is no gap between pulses because there are no pulses. The tire has to deliver traction 100 percent of the time. This causes tires to wear faster. If it weren't for outstanding traction control the powered wheels could simply shred the tires.

My original michelin tires lasted 50.000 km. The nexst Hancock had the rear tiers worn out after 20.000 km

I keep my drive option in "Chill" mode to reduce tire wear on my TM3 LFP

I'm the next example? I did 145.000 km with my 2019 M3 LR , degradatin around 9% now and on my second set of tires! Tires last way, waaaayyyy longer than my former VW cars that eat tyres. No parts are replaced and the control arms are still in perfect condition. Just one issue with 1 seat heating (200 Euros to replace) and interior filters and windscreen wipers. That's all.

Tesla is good overall, they used to have coolant seal issues when getting older, I don't know about nowadays but thousands for a few seals is ridiculous. I'm curious about Tesla nowadays honestly, the motors seals and batteries seals and coolant line connectors there was a few older connections made of plastic, Tesla wanted the whole batteries to be replaced just for the cooling connections. I honestly hope people don't complain or have those issues nowadays.

Our 2021 M3 SR+ LFP has 45k miles, 93% slow (at home) charging 7% Supercharging; 1% Battery Degradation. only changed front tyres because of a pothole destroying one and being forced to change both for balancing. Rear tyres still look new. Zero regrets. Have driven many cars for personal / business Mercedes, BMW, Volvo, Range Rover, Toyota, etc. nothing comes close to the simplicity and seamless user experience of Tesla.

The way I drive and sort of roads I drive on results in me getting around 15000 miles out of the ‘drive’ tyres with my various ICE cars. I just replaced the first set of rear tyres on Model 3, LR. They lasted 14,700 miles, i.e. no difference.

Good point Sam, I’ve never driven a gas/ICE car 200,000 miles let alone heard of them not needing tons of maintenance ONE THING to remind people: take care of your battery! As Sandy Munro says, batteries like to be between 20%-80% For example I charge my iPhone 14 Pro Max (x2 personal and business) to 80% generally when they’re around 20% and they are lasting like new compared to when I used to leave my iPhones plugged in overnight Obviously charge your Tesla overnight but set the max to 80% and your battery will last forever + recharge around 20% not 0%

@toriwatson9655

Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure the BMS in Tesla's keep batteries in the 20 to 80% range, explaining the long battery life. I could be wrong. I'm the same with my phone, don't charge it over 80 and don't let it go flat.

My cousin's husband has a one year old M3 RWD with 43000 miles. He is still on the original set of tires.

Ive just recently changed my original factory tyres at 45k miles.

My TM3P 2020 had it December 2019 only 96,780 km I’m so happy 😃 a space rocket 🚀

There's a German somewhere with an S who does hundreds of thousands a year it seems. Tesla 2170 are quality Japanese (company) made. Hardly unexpected.

FYI I buy Merc E classes with 200k on them and run them until they die. The last one lasted 7 years and cost £400. Died because I had a hankering for a new one.

Changed tires @ 34k miles & were still legal in the UK. M3 LR

Tesla are just great vehicle. I purchased a used 2019 model x and I had to change the front half shafts and now upper controller arms. But that is not bad at all.

I've hit 398,000kms on '99 civic sedan Started heating up. No other major issues and the car was sold to a small dealer within 8hrs of posting my Ad. 355,000 kms on 2010 civic and this was ended with a collision, again was completely fine and had tons of life ahead. Just the a/c give you an issue at this point for civics and if you want to fix this issue it would have cost around $600-$1200 is what I was told. New parts. Used vs new. So the civic has been great. I bought another 2013 civic at 26k and now it has 167,000kms again no issues just regular oil change, tires, my brake pads last about 90k-100k, muffler had corrosion so I got a new one installed ($260 part+labour).

I never have a EV but people keep saying how tire wear out and not enough range and expensive to fix but if you manage your money very well you be alright im planning on getting a tesla for my business car that all

Great video I have seen a video from the US of a Model 3 that claimed to have done 1M&20K Miles not sure if its true , but given their Huge National Charging Network maybe it Could be possible 👍

21 m3 lr with acceleration boost: just like my mustang cobra, the more i enjoy the accelerator, hold your hat, the more work the tires do. Unlike my mustang, i do not suffer higher costs from brake usage.

Only 12K mostly city miles on my 23 MYP. I get the feeling my kids will inherit this car. I've done nothing to it but wash it. The tires are great and I expect at least 35K. They still look great. Any ICE car I've had needed new tires at that mileage.

It’s a lie that EV’s are so heavy. They are only slightly heavier than ICE cars on average. Currently, the average weight of new cars is around 4000 lbs. The Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor Long Range weighs 4000 lbs. The larger Model S weighs around 4800 lbs but that’s less than a new Mercedes S-class. The S-Class is a foot longer. A new Model S is 197” long. A new S class is 208” long. And the Tesla Model S weighs a few hundred pounds less. The only reason some people wear out their EV tires faster than average is because EV’s have more instant torque and it’s fun to give an EV the beans all the time. It feels free to do so. But it’s not free and it shreds tires faster, but that just comes down to how the car is being driven. If one drives an EV like it’s an ICE car, gentler acceleration and normal cruising speeds, the tires should last just as long.

@skipondowntheroad5833

Ай бұрын

I think it is more accurate to compare the Tesla model 3 to other mid-size cars. The Toyota Camry weighs 3,310 to 3,595 lbs. The Honda Accord weighs 3,239 to 3,280 lbs. The Chevrolet Mailibu weighs 3,135 to 3,223 lbs. So the model 3 at 4000 lbs is significantly heavier than those gas cars.

@barryduff9839

Ай бұрын

What about those grocery getting pickup trucks.

I have over 140k on a 2018 Model3. Range loss is about 8%. I’ve noticed the regen has decreased with higher mileage. The control arms were replaced under warranty at 35k miles. The new ones are a different part number. The only out of pocket expense was replacing one of the onboard chargers at $1000

2019 M3 Long Range here 100,000 miles only 5% degradation

@marq333

Ай бұрын

What’s your charging habits?

@Aggie4life77

Ай бұрын

This is a good example right here. 5 year old car with the typical 100k and only 5 percent battery degradation! That’s way more than I would except at that mileage. I just don’t think batteries will need to be replaced unless something goes faulty. An 8-10 year battery warranty is sufficient! They will also probably have extended battery warranties at some point for the used market!

I own a 2018 M3 LR with 108K miles. 280 mile range indicated. 3 sets of tires. Had to replace a fender repeater cam due to water ingress during Hurricane Hilary in Los Angeles. Upgraded HW 2.5 to HW 3.0 FSD computer.

We just sold our long range model 3 (got the new one), 97% battery health at 106,000 kms!

@michael99uk

Ай бұрын

How many years did it take to get to 106k Kms ?

I have a Long-Range RWD Model 3 (VIN in the 9000 range) that's over 6 years old. It only has 72,000 miles but it still charges up to 307 miles out of 310 miles original. I think it might go 400,000-600,000 miles!

My friend was an engineer at Tesla and now at Rivian. Per him, tires generally wear faster on EVs due to torque and weight of the car.

Another informative video Viking!!!!

@electricviking

Ай бұрын

Glad you think so!

I am new to Tesla, my model y is used everyday for long commutes, I am blown away how good the range is consistently

Awesome! Needed this information! This is far beyond what ICE can pull off!!

No one noticed that Sam read some of the km readings as miles? Especially the 500,000km one - if that actually miles instead it would have overtaken the “star” of the show he was talking about earlier.

@mickwreay3034

Ай бұрын

I did, but I guess it was an honest mistake.

@ghislainbourassa1906

Ай бұрын

That's the first thing I noticed. The second is that all 6 cars showed have the same VIN # 5YJ3E1EB7JF110822.

I drove taxis and it’s easy to see they are very viable. There’s always a lull in a shift to charge. And I dream of the reliability and lack of brake wear.

Just love my small Smart 451 ICE car even more. Lightweight / terrific gas-usage / parts are very cheap. AND it's 16 years! old.

If you've got a lead foot and do burnnout when you start rolling. Tires will wear quickly, and evs can really spin the tires if you floor it

Great to see you too. I really enjoy our chats.

My March 2019 Freemont LR awd have had the upper control arms replaced on warranty - thats after 50000 miles. But the battery is perfect - maximum 5% degradation (now 55000 miles).

Model S 306TKM 10 years old. Battery degradation at around 13%. Tires last around 50TKM, brakes around 250TKM. Still fun to drive.

The Panasonic 1865’s have been around for decades. The 2170 is just a larger version of same tried and true formula. I use my teslas for around town driving. I fly when I travel

im at 32000 miles on my ioniq5 and the original tyres still have 25% left

The tires that tires last 50,000 miles are probably 2wd . The awd ones won’t last more than 30,000. I’m a Toyota mechanic so I see this all the time.

Sam excellent videos, regarding front upper control arms it seems to me that they are not worn but they tighten up or bind due to lack of grease during manufacture which in turn puts pressure on upper control arm bushes, in the steering process. Mine had to be replaced at approx 36000 mls due to noisy opperation.

I have a 2022 MYP 50K miles and still on the original OEM Michelin tires.

A super video! This is utterly truthful… these cars are so reliable! *The MSM lie to us* that’s a fact.

The tire issues depends a lot on the model and driver. I drove a very early 2012 Model S Performance Rear Motor for 140.000 miles. Battery would be less than 5% degradation. But I'd got new rear tires every 10.000 miles. I also drove the brakes to the metal 😢😢😮 Drove it like a sports car. Now have a Model S Plaid... Still 1st set of tires. 12.000 miles. I guess it's true: "Your mileage may vary"

This is the kind of stats that need to get out there more. What dominates the 'news' is negative stories which are more likely people who ride their vehicles hard. We need real and actual stats to get into the mainstream, because between this story and various people in the comments, it is really apparent batteries can last a really long time and tires wear out faster, but not dramatically faster as people seem to report who are probably driving like a nut

Wow. I thought I had a lot of miles on my model 3 performance with 101,000 miles. Still less than 10% battery degradation. Nothing replaced except the back window for failed defroster wires. And the usual tires and wipers.

Jeff Dahn of Tesla, tested the 2170 cells which got 1 million miles/equivalent of range, and said it comes down to the BMS, keeping the batteries conditioned. Average ICE vehicle degrades range 5% after 100k miles, 10% after 200% miles, and keeps decking after that until the engine dies.

Ultra high mileage drivers don’t often have suspension issues because they are driving highways not 2 lane roads that aren’t as well maintained.

I've been looking at this casually too and almost every time i find a high mileage Tesla, it's on it's 3rd battery pack. Are you sure these are genuinely on one pack? Highly encouraging if true. Oh and a lot of the screenshots show km but you're saying miles!

Keep the videos coming! You helped my decision to buy an EV.👏👏👏

Got 65K miles out of the original tires on my LRMY. Tire wear is greatly determined by how you drive an EV.

@solentbum

Ай бұрын

AS with any car.

I don't have a Tesla, but a two year old Leaf was affordable to me. I was getting older and knew that a low maintenance, low fuel cost vehicle was a more practical option as I transition to a fixed income. It now has more than125,000 miles and the battery has degraded 25 percent. I can still get up to 50 miles on a good day. Usually don't drive it more than 40 miles a day. I know people who own Teslas, a Mustang Mach E4 and have talked to other EV owners and they are happy with their choices. I did see a Rivian on a tow truck though. Living on the left coast may be why I see so many EVs. The sad thing is that when I travel what used to work 8 years ago has been removed, or doesn't work and the new stations are occupied. Electrify America is undependable when it comes to Chademo, so I consider myself fortunate to be able to charge at home. If you're not up for the adventure, don't.

I couldn't help but notice that several of the screenshots you showed listed the mileage in km rather than miles, yet you were reading the mileage as miles rather than km. Since a mile is something like 1.6 km this does make a difference. The tesla shown at frame (6:02) with 300,000 km has gone a little more than 186,000 miles rather than 300,00 miles. The Tesla shown at frame (5:59) which you say has gone 500,000 miles has gone 500,000 km or about 310,685 miles. That is still impressive mileage, but Miles and Kilometers are not the same.

Got 33k miles on my MYL factory continental procontact rx tires. Got a set of yokohama 'EV' tires that are warrantied for 50k miles and cost less than continentals.

2018 model 3 310000 km dual motor just replaced brakes primarily because they rusted live in canada so lots of salt. ps no loss in performance same battery.