Also, "because Blizzard doesn't deserve your time or money" would be the rest of the argument.

@ULTRAOutdoorsman

9 ай бұрын

They haven't deserved it since they closed Blizzard North, less than 9 months after WoW released.

@echomjp

9 ай бұрын

@@ULTRAOutdoorsmanI would argue that they had a significant amount of good quality staff even a bit after that, but World of Warcraft was devoid of good new ideas by the time of the second major expansion, and Starcraft 2 was a mixed bag (though overall still pretty good). Diablo 3 was a greedy mediocre game that didn't live up to what it should have been, and everything since then has been along those lines - mediocre. Of course, if you're taking a moral high ground you might be right, but from a quality perspective I feel they lasted a bit longer.

@ultimaxkom8728

9 ай бұрын

It's likely directed at people who doesn't care about who makes them and only care about what they can get out of the game itself.

@DrGashingtons

9 ай бұрын

Tbf DF is the best game they have made since legion. I just think they need to make the game overall easier for most people. Mythic raiding is too hard for people and people don’t wanna do the “easy” version of the raid. It’s the same as with m+

@kylehumble4793

9 ай бұрын

^^^ and I've been playing blizzard games since a wee lad and I don't think they deserve my dedication to their products. Which hurts but they aren't passionate about making games anymore, just do it to make money and not to make a game they themselves enjoy playing. Multi dollar company just focused on getting more penny's.

Now for Asmongold to make a 1hr+ response video to this.

@Roflstab

9 ай бұрын

Looking forward to it ❤

@sandrothenecromancer6810

9 ай бұрын

"Common guys it is not that bad"

@LosKiwa

9 ай бұрын

He prolly would agree tbf, he doesn't play anymore, or as much as he used to.

@Resi1ience

6 ай бұрын

What, where he agrees with every single word?

@molochz

6 ай бұрын

I can't believe people watch Asmongold. Just can't see why he's popular.

I was a WoW player starting with OG beta, left around Pandaria (edit). Felt that eventually all sense of wonder/excitement had been sucked out of the game and I was just logging on to farm. Tried several of the later expansions briefly, but they all seemed like "same sh*t different skin." In contrast: Elden Ring was an absolute joy, and can't wait to start Baldur's Gate.

@radaro.9682

9 ай бұрын

Try the private server scene. Ascension, Vanilla+, TurtleWoW and several others are doing some really neat stuff.

@newnamesameperson397

9 ай бұрын

I kinda liked cataclysm for changing the world and thought they would be doing similar things to keep the world from feeling stagnant. In wrath and burning crusade we saw similar changes but smaller. With cata it felt like something was happening in the world....then they left the world stagnant for close to a decade now. I hate how wow is so expansion centric and how each of those expansions are just bubbles that become stuck in time. Doesn't feel like a world anymore, just a theme park. I hate going to old zones and seeing old problems which seemingly haven't been resolved, like the plague lands. Really reminds me that this game is dated and if I want that level of developers who care and want to make their game feel alive I gotta look elsewhere

@radaro.9682

9 ай бұрын

@@newnamesameperson397 yeah, changing the world wasn't the issue. It was essentially resetting the game every expansion. Literally nothing you did had any kind of permanence.which made all your time feel wasted. Didn't make garrisons a growing feature, didn't keep class halls relevant, change how builds play every few patches, basically give up on professions, don't bother to curate a theme park experience but instead funnel directly into play loops that encourage repetition over enjoyment. And all that started with Cata. "This is your build and you get to make six choices, no more".

@newnamesameperson397

9 ай бұрын

@@radaro.9682 completely agree there. It's why I never bothered maxing gear or rep because "I'm like what's the point"

@HnHSaitou

9 ай бұрын

"same sh*t different skin" Kinda feel like every single game out there for me, doesn't mean I can't have fun on games anymore but I definetely don't play games in the same way I did back then.

The release of Classic was one of the most profoundly agonising instances of nostalgia I've ever had. I recreated my toon from Vanilla, and relevelled him in the same locations. The whole time, about a month or so, I remembered how it was in 2005. All the people I played with, all the funny shit that had us laughing for hours on vent, all the idiots and ninjas and pointless wipes… all gone into the past.

@LordSadCat

9 ай бұрын

Once you become an adult you can't have fun. Not allowed to have friends or laughing. /s The thing isn't the game it's you.

@Elariesel

9 ай бұрын

​@@LordSadCatwhat do you mean? Obviously it's games fault that he is no longer living in 2004, when he was younger and had those experiences. Blizzard advertised this as bringing back the Vanila experience, so they were supposed to provide him with guild, ninja looters, raid to wipe with and time to play :)))))

@LordSadCat

9 ай бұрын

Damn it Bobby Kotick. He strikes again!@@Elariesel

@Elariesel

9 ай бұрын

@@LordSadCat l hope Kotaku keeps making fair and umbiased artocles and finally ruins this company and it's evil CEO

@jasonfitzpatrick2197

9 ай бұрын

You guys all appear to think I said it was bad. I said it made me profoundly nostalgic. My point, which I thought was relatively obvious, is that it's the people you play with who are the most important factor in your enjoyment of WoW.

As a WoW fan I still don't recommend it - because its got a horrendous community that's hostile to new players.

@ArgoIo

9 ай бұрын

The entire new player experience is kind of a mess.

@Niimsy

9 ай бұрын

Genuinely. People who think league of legends is the most toxic game community clearly have never played classic wow

@Demoinsete

9 ай бұрын

Poeple are in the rush didn't explain anythink they. For them, these are things that have been taken for granted for years, which may not necessarily be the case for other players, apart from a few individuals who are willing to guide you well. It's really hell; there is very little teamwork, only to know if you're doing your 'job' correctly."

@kyotanaka920

9 ай бұрын

Not to mention the new player experience of the game itself is also a big mess. You have this massive story, yet only the last and current one matters. Timewalking is a joke, and there is no real way to dive into this mess of a story that continues to find ways to retcon itself. The biggest petpeeve for me is being called a hero with having nothing done to earn it. There is a huge disconnect from the story that it makes the most basic thing ever the most difficult thing to get into. And it only gets worse the longer it isn't addressed.

@DarkScreamGames

9 ай бұрын

@@kyotanaka920I mean.. Story is not an issue for new players. They get exile's reach and BFA. The problem happens when they cross from BFA to DF, because Blizzard swept SL under the rug, so there's no real connection from BFA to DF. DF will be the base levelling expansion soon though, and that will largely solve the new player onboarding issues, the quests are good, plentiful and mostly make sense.

I haven't played World of Warcraft in it's golden years. I wasn't even aware of it then. I feel quite sad about it as nowadays it honestly doesn't feel worth investing time or money into. Not just because Blizzard bad, it just feels like even from an outside perspective that it lost something over the years.

@tchzaelous8144

9 ай бұрын

I played from launch to WoD. Was good for the first few expansions, then became about stripping your pockets and cultivating a cult-like atmosphere between all their games/cross promotion. All that was good about the company is long gone.

@ldezzer3950

9 ай бұрын

I started playing in BFA, which almost every WoW keyboard veteran called 'the worst expansion'. Played for the whole expansion up until the Shadowlands release. Its not as bad of a game as people on social media make it look like - trying it for 1 month is just about enough to form your own opinion on the game.

@monalisa-bs4zs

9 ай бұрын

Free is not cheap enough for me to download a blizzard product. they would have to pay me.@@ldezzer3950

@Klyttorius

9 ай бұрын

I dunno. I played it for a month when it released and just couldn't get into it. It could just be that most people were all younger, and it was a game that did what existing games did, but more.. But I played a couple dozen hours of Guild Wars 1 but just couldn't get into WoW. Maybe it was the music of GW because that sound track is up there with TES god level of musical poetry. Plus paying $15 a month for a game you already had to buy the disk for has always been ludicrous to me.

@synmad3638

9 ай бұрын

I seriously got into WoW during some of its worst years and I had a great time. I also really enjoy Classic despite being a zoomer. Give it a shot.

I like to imagine that lots of people are queuing up to ask Josh what sport they should play. "Ah yes, let's ask that vest suit guy."

I played since launch until about March of 2020. After Cataclysm I started taking breaks for a month or two. When "time gate" started becoming a bullet point for expansions, it was easy to notice how little the game respected players times. BfA was like having a second job. Log in, grind out to level cap, grind out your daily allotment of world quest, faction quests, table quests, repeat for a month to a month and a half, get nothing else done in game, rinse repeat for 4-5 hours every night after work. Theres better ways for players to spend their time.

@csguy3223

9 ай бұрын

Time gating killed the game. Started in Wrath. There was unintentional time gating designed into the game for vanilla and tbc but the devs started weaponizing it around the time Activision entered the picture.

@TheFartan

9 ай бұрын

They got rid of time gating, for the most part, in Dragonflight. So right now you don't really have to log in if you don't want to. If you're interested in cutting edge content (like clearing mythic raid or pushing super high keys in M+), time commitment for the first month or two is still very high.

@cattysplat

9 ай бұрын

@@csguy3223 Wrath is pretty insanely casual in time compared to the retail mythic+ and daily quest farm game, also the power levels and nerfed open world compared to TBC and vanilla which had dangerous open world. You just do your raids and heroics for the week and that's it. The real problem was the introduction of 10 and 25 man raids for every raid that you HAD to do to stay competitively geared. Now you had to raid the same places twice a week, not necessarily long in time but very boring. The real grind didn't start until Legion with infinite AP grind you HAD to do to be allowed to raid.

@mrvoldis6688

3 ай бұрын

​@@TheFartan They didn't get rid of time gating. If you log a new character in dragonflight, you will still need renown to view parts of the story. Meaning you can actively do the start of the story, the end of the story that came with patches like the emerald dream and world tree. But the middle of the story you require renown for that will be impossible to grind out in anything less than a week or 2. So time gating is there, and it makes the entire story experience of dragonflight an even worse disjointed mess than the bad writing had it be anyway

That one chat message at 1:44 "It's like recommending D&D for your next tabletop campaign..." Man, MOOD

@Morec0

9 ай бұрын

Play Blades in the Dark.

@thatpoemguy2083

9 ай бұрын

@@Morec0 My guy, I am perfectly aware that there are other systems out there. I'm partial to 'Masks: a new Generation' myself, but my point was that very few others seem to want to play other systems.

its such a shame i did not know boldering exists as a kid. im totaly hooked

@Buggolious

9 ай бұрын

I tried bouldering a few times with friends, it was fun for sure but it's not for me as a regular hobby. Some time after I found padel which is amazing. No shade to bouldering just wanted to share my experience

@Matt_the_pirate

9 ай бұрын

Omg yeah, I'd love to do it more but I panic and get paralyzed when I have to jump down

@ripplecutter233

9 ай бұрын

pricey tho. but yeah fun as heck. literally monkey bars for adults

@tuliomesquita1294

9 ай бұрын

Oh Man, me too fr

I used to be a big Blizzard guy. But it's really safe to say that it just isn't worth it anymore. Not worth the time or money. There's just nothing worth it left anymore. Gameplay, lore, so forth. WoW has sadly become more akin to an abusive relationship. Dropping the game was the hardest thing I ever did, but I felt so much better after a time. It's one thing to say the game sucks. It's another thing to actually follow through and vote with your wallet.

I think the only people who should play World of Warcraft are people who want to play World of Warcraft 😂 That's basically the main selling point.

@DirtCheapFU

9 ай бұрын

That's kinda where I'm at. I go off and play and binge another or new mmo/rpg then when I have my fill, I find myself back on wow complaining not being able to find a good Guild and soft capping a 3rd Warlock and hating the time I waste leveling and gearing my priest because they have the Lord of War title...

@Tommy_The_Gun

9 ай бұрын

Recently I was thinning that maybe I should give WoW a try and see why it is considered "Best mmo" out there. So I did some research and was kinda shocked when I saw what kind of business model WoW has... still in 2023. Also weirdly, it collided with info that WoW is loosing players and is not attracting new ones either. So, yeah I agree. It seams that Blizzy does not care at all about potential new players, but rather they keep making stuff to milk whales who already play the game since long time ago. It is most likely one of the most "unfriendly" mmos when it comes to new players. So, I agree. WoW is for WoW players and WoW players only.

@donksta4197

9 ай бұрын

I just started back playing Classic WoW with my friends I played it with 20 years ago. I'm having a great time but I get folks not wanting to play it.

@kubasniak

9 ай бұрын

@@Tommy_The_Gun Lmao WHALES? Bro what is you talking about... 15$ a month that is a big mac combo is whaling? Give me a break and who FORCES you to buy couple available garbage mounts from the in-game cash shop, other than that, what? Buying tokens for gold? If you play you get gold passively for raiding mats basically. If you wanna talk about whaling a good example would be players in Maple Story on regular servers... now that's whaling and plenty of other games like that which are "free" but with insane cash shop.

@cattysplat

9 ай бұрын

@@kubasniak Collectors will buy everything in the shop to have everything. This is what you don't understand, that is the entire purpose of these things in the first place. People don't just want 1 mount, pet, cosmetic, else people would just stick with default. So they still make money from whaling collectors, which happens to be a huge number of players still playing WoW.

Josh looks like a Elder Scrolls vampire here.

@bloodsports94

4 ай бұрын

LOL

"Hey Josh, what sport should I get into?" What a common, natural thing to ask someone

@The_Yukki

9 ай бұрын

The difference is that you can play 1 game/go to one practice of most sports and tell if it's for you. To say if an mmo is for you you need to spend plenty of time.

I just started Classic again with folks I played 20 years ago with and I'm having so much fun. My buddies 70 year old mom is playing with us again. I get folks not wanting to play though.

As somebody who started in legion, the combat, transmogs, and overall art style + feel of the game keeps me coming back. I don’t raid, I don’t PvP, but I can spend 12+ hours easily playing. Whether it’s a mage tower attempt for the 700th time, or running old raids for transmogs. Or just chillin in Goldshire messing with toys and showing off mounts and outfits. This game isn’t a sweaty competition, nor is it a 100 hour a week commitment. It’s a flippin game, it’s not meant to consume your soul. If you’re interested in it, there’s no harm in trying it out. More than plenty to do especially considering all the expansions, zones, classes, armors, weapons, mounts, the list goes on.

I don't play retail, I don't play wotlk...but goddamn, I am so hooked on classic hardcore. It's old, clunky and not designed for permadeath...but it feels exactly like how I remember playing wow 20ish years ago felt. Mobs are scary, dungeons are risky, loot feels rewarding. I guess this is how the old school runescape addicts feel?!

I always wanted to try wow for pvp back then but my parents nvr wanted to pay sub for me. Now i ask my friends if i should get into it and they dont recommend it.

I regret no playing wow when it was at its peak. Now I can't play it due to lack of time and extremely toxic community

@vearheart42

9 ай бұрын

I don't know what guild you are or communities you are a part of but most guilds/communities I interact with are very nice and friendly.

@slanderpop8771

9 ай бұрын

its not any more or less toxic than any online or mmo community. I think people say things like that after a few bad experiences or just not playing it in a while. Ive had bad experience in ESo, ffxiv

@anteprs7908

9 ай бұрын

@@vearheart42 yeah that bs

@anteprs7908

9 ай бұрын

@@slanderpop8771yes it is sure it not lol or fps game toxic but it the most toxic mmo out on the market community wise

What other MMOs are you referring to at the end, Josh?

I like World of Warcraft but I also like that there's enough options these days that others can try looking for something that suits their tastes

@iyaramonk

9 ай бұрын

@@asicveg The mmo's that copied wow all died for the most part. So they can blame themselves for that. If they offer something wow doesn't, then they can thrive.

@Tommy_The_Gun

9 ай бұрын

@@asicveg True, there are tons of dead MMOs. Too many games simply tried to copy wow, but they did not innovate. I think that the ones that are still alive are the ones that were were successfully. Take ESO for example. No one thought that MMO based on Elder Scrolls would work... but it did and next year there should be 10th (11th if you count beta) anniversary. There is also Star Wars and Star Trek mmos for the fans of those franchise.

@AmongRevenants

9 ай бұрын

Inside the wow environment itself, there's often something to suit anyone's game style. Many different benchmarks to measure the worth of your toon. Raiding, all the way down to Saturday nights slap and tickle in GoldenShower. My benchmark was crafting and stacks of coins. All my friends raided. I'd supply the coin to finance repairs, supply them with pot and food. At only a raid item per week vig. Or I would have them do rip and runs, at the cross-faction auction houses.

@Seoul_Soldier

9 ай бұрын

@@iyaramonk That's bullshit. There are so many unique MMO's like WildStar, City of Heroes, and Anarchy just to name a few, that failed BECAUSE they were nothing like WoW. Companies copied World of Warcraft because that's all that brain-rotted MMO players were willing to play. Every western MMO still alive right now is just WoW with a slight innovation. World of Warcraft destroyed the MMO space.

@iyaramonk

9 ай бұрын

@@Seoul_Soldier Interesting take. Blaming the players not the game. Can't say I agree.

Is there any free shard that worth playing? Never played wow, just want to finish the story

How often does someone ask you which sport you reccomend? i have never been asked that question.

I used to play WoW all the time from 2007 to 2015. Then my PC broke and I have been too lazy/broke to replace it.

You can tell how many people just saw the title of the video but not watched it, judging at the number of comments that missed the whole point 🤭

the saddest part.. is that the OLD wow that everyone fell in love with, was essentially just E.Q. 1.5.

@cattysplat

9 ай бұрын

Because it was made by hardcore raiders of EQ. Who wanted the same but better. This changed with the Activision buyout from Cataclysm onwards.

As a former WoW player, who loved it for many years. I don't recommend it either. It doesn't respect your time, or even pretend to. The community is also awful.

Im trapped in the wow spiral for years :(

I actually returned to Retail WoW (sort of) for the first time in 4.5 years when they offered the recent half-price sale. I've been taking my time going through the Dragonflight story. It's been okay so far but I only playing one character so I am not sure how long I will stick around.

I played WoW consistently since open beta up until shortly after Dragonflight's launch. I've also been consistently playing it with a friend of mine since late Wrath, and we both came to the same conclusion. It just isn't the same game it used to be and doesn't draw us in the same way it once did. I thought I would be sad about having zero desire to play it anymore, but considering I've been playing it for nearly 20 years, I'm actually ok with not playing it ever again. Not because I hate it or because I think it's bad. I think I'm just done with MMOs in general. I think what would suit WoW the best is just starting over and having a WoW2. Although I likely won't jump in anymore. I'm closer to 40 than I am 30 and just don't have the drive to want to waste my time in WoW. It was a good run.

@bugmilk9182

9 ай бұрын

Problem with WoW 2 concept unfortunately is the fact it would be made by the same people who are developing current WoW. Dark times for mmo's indeed

@Mineral4r7s

9 ай бұрын

IT doesnt matter if they make a WoW2 its still blizzard.

@-Believeinyourself-

9 ай бұрын

@@Mineral4r7sblizzard is dead. Microsoft/Activision cancer is alive and well

@Bat_Boy

7 ай бұрын

🎯💯 I miss it, but that’s exactly the problem. It can easily consume your time and life.

I wouldn't say you should play it on a private server, but there are ones that exist that are just genuinely better than what Blizzard offers.

@torum6448

9 ай бұрын

Indeed, Turtle wow offered me a more fun experience than either Retail or Classic WoW. I really wish Blizzard would have taken a similar approach to Classic WoW. With their resources, you could have had even more extra content and have it be more seamlessly integratted into the game

@masterpain7742

9 ай бұрын

Lmao how does turtle wow offer more when u can play retail classic wotlk and hardcore lol u turtle people are delusional with ur Chinese overpopulated servers

@diamondhamster4320

9 ай бұрын

So basically WoW Classic Plus Expanded???

@torum6448

9 ай бұрын

@@diamondhamster4320 Yeah, pretty much new races, new raids, new quests, new dungeons and they still have a vanilla wow feel to ti. They also have a hardcore mode if you're interested in it.

@ArmageddonEvil

9 ай бұрын

Retail/Classic World of Warcraft doesn't even stop hackers, gold sellers, etc. All the while, those private servers do. Seems like the only thing at the head of Blizzard's mind is what Activision and its shareholders want.

I stopped playing WoW just before WotLK, because work and life in general made the commitment untenable, and I was too used to playing the top end of the game to want to just become a casual. Picked it up again at Classic launch, and it was fun for.. a few months. Real nostalgia trip. HC is keeping me interested longer than the classic relaunch could. I'm a casual now, taking my time, but I also get the thrill of failure being around every corner, without having to spend every day prepping for a raid. Just doing regular quests takes planning and thought. I like that.

Now I wanna know which sport Josh would recommend I’d get into

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

That analogy makes no sense.... because you're not playing that sport, you're sitting in a chair yelling for no reason about other people who play the sport. Whereas the mmo is a game you have to participate in and earn the stuff.

@Grrimhildr

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed what? have you never played a sport yourself? he wasnt talking about what sport josh would recommend getting into watching he meant what sport he would recommend playing

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@Grrimhildr Totally the opposite of what you just typed...... he very clearly specified "be a fan of" for what sport. You need to get your hearing checked.

@Grrimhildr

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed he literally says nowhere about being a fan of a sport. Also did you like your own comment 💀

@Grrimhildr

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed he says "which sport josh would recommend ID get into". never anything about being a fan of a sport 💀💀

We are so close to a wow video josh strife video...so f close.

the mini vest

I feel like WoW isn’t friendly to new players. The story is incomprehensible, all gear that isn’t max level focused for that particular expansion is useless. Some of the older content isn’t even strictly speaking accessible and yet the game does nothing to warn you when you’re on a quest line that’s been glitched since the devs abandoned it. It’s a game filled with abandonware for seemingly no good reason.

Do you recommend Runescape's Hero Pass? Been waiting awhile now for you to weigh in on the subject Josh. Your opinion on Jagex is valued. Or did I miss your vid on the matter. Are season passes good or bad?

@AmongRevenants

9 ай бұрын

When Jagex invited you for a visit. Did they tease the release of their upcoming Hero Pass to you? I probably missed your expose. I saw Callum's vids on the matter. Now what does the old runescape dude have to say on the matter?

@AmongRevenants

9 ай бұрын

Hardcore Warcraft: not recommended, Runescape Hero Pass: recommended?

@H41030v3rki110ny0u

9 ай бұрын

i dont think he even runs this channel lol

@AmongRevenants

9 ай бұрын

@@H41030v3rki110ny0u this is the clip channel and last week said to probably expect something soon.

@AmongRevenants

9 ай бұрын

@@H41030v3rki110ny0u Influencers have people. Better chance of getting a response. Going through the proper channels.

this didn't age well, as WoW Classic Season of Discovery is probably the most innovation the mmorpg genre had in ages

"I played it a long time ago... I enjoyed being a demon hunter tank" Is a reminder of how far removed I am from when I enjoyed it and where it is now. Thank god for, ahem, 'alternative' servers, where I can play the game I used to know, even if only for a bit at a time.

@snick0o0

9 ай бұрын

i lold too

@owenreynolds8718

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, I played "a long time ago" as well, through 3 expansions, and at first I thought he said "Hunter Tank". Like sometimes when the tank goes down near the end of a boss a really good hunter can buy a few seconds and save things by grabbing threat with a tank pet. Then I was thinking "what race is Demon?" Finally it clicked: "Demon Hunter" -- I heard that was one of those desperate new emo classes after kung-fu pandas. Then came the sad "I'm old" moment when I checked and ... this "new" Demon Hunter class is 7 years old. But it's fine. If Josh had said a Paladin or Druid tank I'd have been "come-on man -- those are for filthy casuals" and lost respect. But by the Legion expansion Warriors tanks were a shadow. Anyone could tank ... "playing the Mailman class? Sure, here's a 2-button tank spec". He didn't know any better.

@Michael-bn1oi

9 ай бұрын

​@@owenreynolds8718 you should deal with some personal stuff if you care so strongly about what class someone plays in a video game. Lose respect? Come on lol don't be a clown.

@Outplayedqt

9 ай бұрын

@@owenreynolds8718If you played WoW and hadn’t heard of demon hunters until now, you never really played WoW

@csguy3223

9 ай бұрын

Legion was by far the best modern expansion. I’ve tried every version of the game since December 2004. The only versions I didn’t quit, for more than half of the duration, were vanilla, legion and burning crusade. My favorite content was Emerald Nightmare through Tomb of Sargeras in Legion. Blizzard had a very high hit rate during that 7.0-7.2 period. Demon hunters are whatever as a class, but lots of people wanted that class fantasy because of the popularity of Illidan. I played balance and resto druid throughout Legion and it felt amazing.

Basketball 2s and 3s. Easy to get into - your local court and a ball - doesn't take many people, 4 or 6. Rules can be swapped and changed or added as you get better. Hella fun to play and the core principal is just put the ball through the hoop. For those considering sports ofc.

I don't recommend anyone to Destiny 2 either.

Josh looking absolutely ghostly today, you alright, man?

I'll never recommend WoW to people, I actively tell them to stay away and play something else worth their time and energy.

ultimate frisbee i what i would recommend as sport

Yeah, box+$180/year+expansions not worth in the current year for the same game we all played 15 years ago

I think I played World of Warcraft on November 26, 27, and 28, 2004, and then I never played it again

If we're talking about football. Can anyone explain to me in 2-3 sentences why the hell football is called soccer in the States and what American Football has to do with feet?

I've played World of Warcraft since Vanilla WoW back in '04. Hell, I still play World of Warcraft regularly and I still don't recommend it to anyone looking for a new game. The game has come a long way towards being MORE new player-friendly (Emphasis on the more), but it's still not very approachable. Maybe next expac once the Dragon Isles are the new player experience it will be better, but there is still a lot more Blizzard needs to do.

@divinecomedian2

9 ай бұрын

It's so casual now for new players. How can you say it's not new user friendly?

@networknomad5600

9 ай бұрын

@@divinecomedian2It somehow manages to be very casual while also being obtuse af for new players

@dosbilliam

9 ай бұрын

@@divinecomedian2 The same reason why Dan Olson was able to reference a location from Cataclysm, the Molten Front, as a place newer players might get involved in when it's overall irrelevant to anything current. Without a guild or someone to point you in the right direction, a new player's going to be very confused. For reference, that very same Molten Front is one of the things I'm going to eventually be working on since I didn't get that far in the game when Cata was actually out. :P

I've enjoyed playing on turtle wow which is a Vanilla plus like experience.

Curve raid in the first day on the when the new raid come up totaly killing me lol

I tried to give WoW a shot just before Dragonflight came out after a couple of buddies talked me into it and I couldn't even make it to one month. I thought I'd quite enjoy it since I put years into other MMO's like Runescape and Elder Scrolls Online but something about WoW just kept rubbing me the wrong way.

@TheVenhammer

9 ай бұрын

Its because WoW is designed for engagement, not fun

I agree with his point in context to retail. but not to Classic Era

Warcraft: Orvs & Humans was legit my first PC game ever. I have nothing but sorrow looking at it now.

Old WoW friends told me about hardcore classic the other day, talking about how you can die permanently and how great it is.... I'm just sitting there pretending to understand what their version of "fun" entails at this point. It's so weird trying to talk to one of them about other games and it's like it doesn't compute in his head. "Other... games...? There are others besides WoW?" I just don't understand how anyone can have absolutely no interest in any other games ever. Did y'all not play anything before WoW?? How does one cling to WoW for almost 20 years and never get bored enough to try any other game, ever? Then again, I experienced the height of BC and Wrath, even getting to Sunwell as a girl tank and surpassing Illidan was beyond my wildest dreams at the time. Sunwell wasn't that great, eitther, so even though my guiild didn't fully clear it, I think we all felt like we got to see what we really wanted to, especially when all I heard from friends in the best guild on my server is they kinda hated Sunwell lol. One of my oldest WoW friends who actually taught me how to tank properly didn't get so lucky in BC nor Wrath, and it feels like he has always tried to capture those moments he missed out on in the early days. That was the biggest issue early on, even talented players had to rely on luck a bit and be willing to leave friends behind to progress in a new guild that was able to clear content. I had a really good excuse for leaving my first raiding guild when my ex-bf asked me to tank the new guild he was forming and the guild I left was already stuck in progression at Gruul's Lair. Then when my ex didn't move quickly enough to start raiding within the first week I left the first guild, I got antsy real quick and was accepted into a guild already progging SSC. I got lucky and was able to raid with that guild up to Cata. That guild fizzled out, I got into the best guild on my server through friends, and lost interest a month into Cata. Turns out you still wipe in the best guild on your server lol. That and you could feel WoW dying even a month into Cata. Somewhere around there I got hooked on DAO and also dabbled in other MMOs like AION and Tera befor settling on single player RPGs as my fave games just before the huge drought in Bioware single player games started after Andromeda.

this is a really good point. When someone is looking for game suggestions they aren't looking for you to recommend Zelda. Everyone knows the biggest game of the year. Tell them about that great game you love that nobody has ever heard of.

Orienteering is the sport for me. It's running in nature but you also have somewhere to go, and I'm pretty good at navigation.

WoW gets infinitely better when you are part of a guild. I mean you could say that about any multiplayer game but the factor is so much bigger in WoW. Most of the downsides for beginners just vanish and there are a lot of chill guilds who just want to level and chat. Not saying that it fundamentally changes the game. Diving into new content with my guild and taking challenges with snappy gameplay is just enough for me. Hopefully they take the wheel around regarding lore and some systems.

@cattysplat

9 ай бұрын

The problem is the WoW playerbase itself pushes new players away with hostility and elitism. It's a far cry from the old days where we just turned up to raids and wiped laughing all the way whilst learning mechanics, now winning first time every time is the only option or it's a kick.

@joshuameadows4922

4 ай бұрын

​@cattysplat Honestly as a new player the community has been pretty chill outside of a couple raid wipes

Each time I quit WoW was when I didn't like that game and community pissed me off. The last time I quit, I just stopped giving a crap. Seems like every Blizzard game is a public beta until they get it right for one patch and then screw everything up all over again.

Im so american.. he said football and I was like "football is popular worldwide?"

Do I miss WoW.....ya but that's mainly for sentimental reasons. I met my fiancé playing it and I do miss all my toons cause of all the 1000s of hours I've spent lvling and gathering things for them. I actually tried for a little while to play when the new expansion came out. I got a free month from Blizzard but it just wasn't the same :(

MMOs and sports and an interesting comparisons. Both take large commitments and a person's experience is really their own. Some people will love a certain game and immediately under its complexity, others take time develop and discover all of its nuanced mechanics. It comes down to how much of your time are you willing to give it.

I do enjoy retail world of warcraft but not as an RPG. I enjoy it the same way I enjoy CS these days. I think retail is at it’s best when you’re playing difficult content with your friends and trying to push your character to the limit. So I see modern retail more as a faster paced action game. I think that’s the best way to think about WoW these days because as a casual player there is very little enjoyment to be had in the world. I would also recommend other games if the person wants an MMORPG experience.

Started playing WoW Ascension which is classless and they've changed a lot about the game. It's a private server though, so there's that caveat if you don't trust them, but I'm personally having a blast.

@chrisironland7050

9 ай бұрын

I'd try it, but I've no clue what's the worst that can happen with it. I rather not lose my actual WoW account or anything. But if worst thing that can happen is like "you lose Ascension account because someone decided you're a prick" then I'll give it a shot. Sounds interesting and I did check build calculator already just to see if I can come up with something ridiculously powerful or just funny :D

I was nodding along ... but I didn't except that particular reason for not recommending it lol.

I've been having an amazing time on HC with my friends in WoW

I'm a Wrath Baby. Even though that was 15 years ago, I will admit that on each return to the game has been less and less each time. It has it's defining points, I will always love how the classes play, but the rest of it - my tastes have outgrown what it can offer.

WoW is such a weird game for me in recent years. I used to be a hardcore raider but now a days i find myself mount collecting most of the time.

If I was to start an MMORPG, I'd go with SWTOR just for the storylines alone.

I gotta say i really really am enjoy wow classic hardcore. it reminds me of LotR The Fellowship of the ring. A group of friends on an adventure to hit level 60 and to not see one of us die. Absolutly amazing.

@akubel33t

9 ай бұрын

I am addicted to HC right now. literally forcing myself to not play too much. 7 dead warriors before lvl 23, still trying xD

@zedrico8577

9 ай бұрын

@@akubel33t Ya i have died 4 times and it some how motivates me to keep playing. When josh says there are better choices on the market i think he might be wrong this time.

“ oh hes talking about soccer “ Imagine not knowing soccer is slang for association football

Just remember for every leveled up MMO character you have you could have played like 20 other single player campaigns instead. I realized this after the first month of Wow but everyone fell for the trap.

So, what other MMO's are you talking about?

Josh, play Anachronox. I'd love to see your take.

I seriously tried last year..just couldn't get the big deal

Whenever i play at a low level, the world is _dead_. If i boost to a high level i have no idea what im doing and everyone seems to have better gear than i do. I started at WOTLK, fell off at Pandaria, enjoyed the setting of Warlords. But not the daily grind of the outpost. If itnwent F2P maybe id come back, but i doubt it.

If I was asking for mmorpg recs, I know about wow, final fantasy and that's about it. I'd be looking for other examples to compare to the ones I already know.

As someone playing HC WoW, if you don't currently play WoW in any of the versions and you are curious, play either Classic era NON-Hardcore, or play with a group of friends in Wrath Classic. Otherwise don't bother, retail requires too many extra out of game things to install or set up and they break every week, and that isn't even touching the story design or just the feeling of gear permanence being empty. Wrath classic by yourself is just depressing with the gold seller market and now the WoW token having been added. Classic era at the very least can be played like a real MMO, HC or otherwise.

I quit at the Pandoria expansion, i draw the line at Kung Fu Panda.

I have started playing wow in legion and it was very good i really enjoyed the game and stoped after (bfa) i think blizzard lost it

It's all about Everquest Project Quarm for me atm.

came back to retail recently, currently having fun not trying to min max everything , i will never play classic HC simply because the game was not built for it and i'm not dying on a char with 200 hours of playtime due to a not properly coded bridge from 2005

"I played it a long time ago" vengeance demonhunter tank lol

@GothixZa

9 ай бұрын

2016 wasn't that long ago, but it isn't that close ether...

Wow is a good game at it's core, but a bad product which is why it's not recommandable. Being a monthly paid game + paid dlc + cash shop + p2f battle pass + token + no customer support anymore, barely no game master to help + full bot + scripter in wotlk + GDKP + Unfriendly and toxic environnement. Why would you recommand a defective product to anyone?

Is any MMO doing it? Nobody's talking about ESO, players are starting to turn on FF14. So what's left?

I have played WoW since vanilla, but didn't like it and didn't really get into it until WotLK. To be clear to people looking in from the outside: the game is undeniably still very good, but very different from the old days. BFA and Shadowlands had some pretty glaring weaknesses so people are right to hate on them, but they did some things well. The modern pillars of the game - raiding, mythic+ dungeons, PVP have only gotten better and better. The problem is, people who loved the old WoW don't care for how the current game is, no matter how good it is. It's just a fundamentally different game - far more complex, analytical, and competitive. It is less of an MMO and more of a game lobby between dungeons and raids. For me, who loves raids and dungeons and min/maxing all games, I like WoW way more now and I actually really disliked vanilla.

Dam

The wonder of WoW has been sucked out of it by systems obsession, rampant datamining, poor storytelling, and a hyperfixation on mythic+ and being optimal. I do think Classic Hardcore is worth a play, but retail just doesn't really feel good.

Lol, as an American is analogy is somehow still applicable even though he is referring to a different football (most popular in the U.S. tho, not the world)

As someone who enjoys the journey the most, the leveling, I hate one thing about WoW: Old content is irrelevant. I think my idea would be easy to implement and would work on normal retail servers: In the start, give me the option to play as a adventurer (or what ever) this means that you will level in the eastern kingdoms and kalimdor as fast as you did in Vanilla WoW. And when you hit 60, you can go to the Outlands and there leveling takes as long as it did in BC. And when you hit 70 you go to Northend and so on. As someone who didn't really play back then and two months ago started playing Wrath Classic, I was so amazed by the fact that I needed to explore nearly the whole of Northend. And I think that this would be easy to implement. Just give me the option to basically need more exp to level up. I am not a hardcore player and it took me roughly a month to level from 70 - 80 in Wrath and it would be so awesome to play for half a year and then you are in Pandaria. And the thing that I hate the most about not having that option is that everything is there. The content is already there, you just level too fast to actually play through it.

I do recommend you turn down the gain and noise gate on your microphone. 😅

Has someone here ever played Wakfu or Dofus? They're really popular here in latin america, and the community is really nice

People who prefer WoW Classic over WoW Retail never played WoW at launch. I played it in 2004 and it is absolutely a better game now even just mechanically. I just don't see any competitors beyond Guild Wars 2 and ESO that come close. But I also hated Runescape and grew up when it first came out so moral of the story everyone has an opinion.

The whole die once and you are dead forever from Hardcore just doesn't work for me. It makes more sense in games like POE or Diablo. I'd rather it be more like you die and you loose your items then get teleported back to stormwind.

@wowwar2

9 ай бұрын

Same, It is fun if you are playing with a friend for a few hours, but once you have made enough progress, it is gonna suck once you eventually die

Got in when I was a kid, then left. Came back for years later for Panderia got to max level…and then left because I enjoyed leveling more than actual endgame content. Even then I could tell it peaked with Outland and WotLK. Idly considered rejoining classic because of Barmy, but their videos are actually a strong argument to NOT do that

When I was a kid I didn't have the money to pay the monthly fee for Wow, but I watched a lot of people playing it, but nowadays I can afford it, and that's what I did, I paid the monthly fee, I downloaded the game, I played for 2 weeks, straight, and that's when I realised that there was no right line to follow, I know that many people may find this stupid, but for me, who doesn't have time to go through each of the quests in each area and just wants to read the main story, it's horrible, I got through the tutorial and everything, and I was thrown into a world with hundreds of quests that had no end, I would start one hoping to finish it in a few missions, but every time I finished one there was another and another and another, with no end, and I asked myself "Okay, where am I? I can't even remember how I got here, someone help me." I went on forums to try to find the main quest line and it simply doesn't exist (I think), each quest has its own lore, each character and so on. That's incredible, but I really just wanted to know about the lich, not the sailor pig who wants to kill a giant fish. Basically I abandoned the game because I didn't know who to turn to, or where to go. And that's why I like Final Fantasy 14, apart from a few problems, it has a separate, even tonne of content (not as extensive as World Of Warcraft, but it has it). My experience as a new player, which was with the intention of having a story to follow and explore as the game progresses, as in FF14, was poor, and I would rather have left it in my memory. I still love watching WOW content and this experience won't stop me loving the game, but the game itself apparently isn't for me.

As someone who has thousands of hours in several MMOs. A lot being in the bigger ones. I'd easily say that if you enjoy dungeons and raids and to push your skill in them, there is no MMO that comes close to how well WoW does it. They probably also has the most customisations of any MMO.

I completely agree with both the reasoning and the assessment in this video.

I'm not a teenager anymore. I don't want to play games that take a lot of time. Like in wow classic where a dungeon like zul farrak takes 3 hours.

I guess i am gonna be that guy " Vagrant Story - Was it any good?"

Fighting Fantasy Classics. Nice! Love FF.