It passed...pull your kids out of public school.

@zacharysiple629

Жыл бұрын

I'm sad it passed but why pull them out of public school?

@anntastic1532

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharysiple629 in the public school system, kids are given access to medical care without parental consent, and they are taught about their "right" to change gender, have an abortion, and other progressive ideas. Math, reading, science, etc are on the backburner.

@zacharysiple629

Жыл бұрын

@@anntastic1532 Oh, yeah. I see videos on that all the time on Matt Walsh and Brett Cooper's channels. I can't imagine it happening at Davison Community Schools. However, WOKE wasn't a thing 5 years ago when I graduated.

@anntastic1532

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharysiple629 if it's a public school, it's there :( I thought the same until I got on a board in our rural school district.

@zacharysiple629

Жыл бұрын

@@anntastic1532 :(

So glad it passed! We've got a bright future ahead of us 🙂

I think women need education on how to prevent pregnancy again..

So with birth control and contraceptive methods to stop pregnancy all over store shelves and at doctors offices could you explain why you think you need an abortion up to and at birth? They make stuff you can put in your arms to stop pregnancy etc..

I noticed some are calling this propaganda and untrue but the text of the proposal is provided for every example.

@chanmanarthur8068

Жыл бұрын

There is such a thing as deliberate misinterpretation or mis contextualization as propaganda. You're right , all of those quotes exist, but that doesn't mean how they're framed is honest, like, at all

@5ilver42

Жыл бұрын

@@chanmanarthur8068 I've seen enough dishonest backhandedness in the actions and words of politicians, lawyers, judges, and prosecuting attorneys in this state to find it fully believable that the text of this proposal would be used by some enterprising scumbag to strip away the rights a parent has over their children.

@chanmanarthur8068

Жыл бұрын

@@5ilver42 what rights would be stripped in what scenario. Lack of prosecution for botched medical procedures and medication complications isn't controversial. Children getting access to medical care outside the consent and knowledge is neither controversial, but necessary. I've seen more than enough horror stories online about mental health crises and fucking pulmonary embolisms that were ignored by the parents to be firm in that position. Not to mention the lack of restriction for reproductive services will only be a service to the tens of thousands of women and trans men who are denied hysterectomy procedures when men get almost no pushback on a vasectomy. Hell my own friends and I had echoes of just such a scenario. My trans dude friend was denied a hysterectomy for endometriosis and being trans while I only got mild warnings before my own vasectomy and I'm only 20. Sure there might be some way for a corrupt lawyer or judge or something to prosecute on an immoral basis, but as compared to the potential good in the form of granting medical freedom and combating abusive child neglect, there's no contest

Vote NO

Educate yourselves on why they need abortion up to nine months when there plenty of ways to abort before nine months.

Wish i could post this pictogram that basically completely destroyed this false representation.. glad more people read and comprehend than dont. This makes me laugh

Wow. Disingenuous at best and flat out lies and misrepresentation at worst

Here is the wording in Proposal: If passed Proposal 3 would provide for a state constitutional right to reproductive freedom. The term reproductive freedom would be defined as "the right to make and effectuate decisions about all matters relating to pregnancy, including but not limited to prenatal care, childbirth, postpartum care, contraception, sterilization, abortion care, miscarriage management, and infertility care."[1] The ballot initiative would provide that the state can regulate abortion after fetal viability, except that the state could not ban the use of abortion to "protect the life or physical or mental health of the pregnant individual," as determined by an attending health care professional.[1] For more information on what that could mean go to michigandistrict.org/resource...

VOTE NO ON PROPOSAL 3

@hbfrek7535

Жыл бұрын

Too late 😢

Vote NO on Prop 3. If you are a parent, this should scare you

@wielandba

Жыл бұрын

I dunno,it gave me a good laugh.

@eightacrehomestead

Жыл бұрын

Barbara Wieland passing abortion without restrictions is dangerous. Terminating a pregnancy up to birth is so immoral and parental rights do matter. There needs to be common sense restrictions if abortion is allowed and proposal 3 will erase all restrictions including those who perform the abortion. It could be a medical assistant who performs it and guess what….if they mess up there is nothing you can do. The waiting period would be erased and so much more. Not too laughable to me. Women, children, and parents….no one wins if this passes.

@chanmanarthur8068

Жыл бұрын

It did not, it has been reported as misleading content due to several reasons outlined in a comment outside of this thread

@chanmanarthur8068

Жыл бұрын

@@eightacrehomestead you should take a look at the statistics regarding the rate of death from childbirth and post partum depression as opposed to the most common forms of birth control. There is no comparison. And don't even get me started on the mortality rates of birth sub 16.

@willywonka2164

Жыл бұрын

@@chanmanarthur8068 death rates of aborted babies is 100%. But lets not concern ourselves with that...

I'd love to have a level headed conversation about how dangerous it will be if we vote no. It's not just about YOUR choice, it's about everyone's choice.

lmaoooo i didn’t know the onion news changed their name, good one lmao

@atlymc15

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@ericpoindexter5177

Жыл бұрын

Everything said in the video is true but so many don’t know.

@titanaboa1ch337

Жыл бұрын

​@Eric Poindexter it literally is not, for example the transgender one under the law they would still need parent concent as they are minors (under the laws around minors), the person who died would still be able to be prosecuted under malpractice not abortion, they can't force people to perform the abortion just that the law can't limit it (businesses can), the doctor wouldn't terminate with that little danger as it wouldn't be advisable, and so on

@ericpoindexter5177

Жыл бұрын

@@titanaboa1ch337 You must not have read the full text of Prop 3. Here is the last line: “Invalidate state laws conflicting with this amendment.”

@Weltall8000

Жыл бұрын

@@ericpoindexter5177 As per the proposal, the attending has to sign off on it as a legit medical necessity and, of course, the one carrying the pregnancy needs to decide that they want the abortion...before any laws prohibiting late term abortions can be nullified by utilizing this proposed amendment's ability to override them. This video makes an absurd scenario. If this woman was like, "nah, I want to have my baby." This conversation is dead. If the attending isn't insane, they aren't even discussing this in the final trimester. And because this amendment hypothetically is in place, abortions are available and can be done far, far earlier when it is way less invasive and there is substantially less fetal development. The longer this woman waits the harder and more painful it is to do. So choosing to do so then, unless it threatens her life, is probably not even legal after other laws are passed and "just why?" Yours and this video are just awful strawman arguments for what this issue is about.

I sent this to all my Facebook friends. Only on challenged it veracity. When I showed her that each point was actually in the Proposal she had nothing else to say.

Good on you, LCMS for producing this video. There is no "freedom" in the defiance of the laws of God which are for preserving life in this world.

Damn right it's her right. This video tried tho.

individuals should have the power to make choices over their own autonomy. separate church and state and protect the women of michigan. this is not “too confusing” or “too extreme” - this ad is BS

@chanmanarthur8068

Жыл бұрын

Seriously dude, you should report this for misinformation and spread the word to do so. I'm gonna post it to r/childfree to do the same

@johnnymonoxide9220

Жыл бұрын

By "individuals" you're not including the babies, are you? If you actually believe in " autonomy" which no one does, then surely the baby's autonomy must mean something, no?

@chanmanarthur8068

Жыл бұрын

@@johnnymonoxide9220 one heads the ability/autonomy to make choices as to who intrudes on their own personal property. Whether that's forcefully or non forcefully evicting someone or even defending with deadly force is irrelevant, even and especially with regards to age. Even if you grant personhood to the fetus/baby, etc, the point stands. One could even go so far as to claim a second amendment right to bear arms to defend property. Just swap the arms with abortion pills and let the property be ones own body and you have effectively the same argument for defending your house but for abortion.

@CinematicSoulQuest

Жыл бұрын

@@chanmanarthur8068 Bro are you really trying to say you want to put a potential person into or treated as such property. Is this the 1800s 🤨

@chanmanarthur8068

Жыл бұрын

@@CinematicSoulQuest I honestly don't know what you're trying to say. If it's implying women are property, yes, they are property....to themselves

Christian propaganda 😂