Bro be glad you didn't do P8S in PF....so many broken people, so many shattered statics, so many wipes...

@Kyle-gj6oc

10 ай бұрын

I can attest to this. I ended up getting kicked out of my static because I couldn’t hit enrage after like our 3rd time doing the fight and PF just killed my motivation to clear the tier

@Bon-Gi

7 ай бұрын

P8 wasn’t a hard fight. P12S is definitely more difficult.

Congratulations for clearing the tier! I only have cleared p9 and p10 but I’m proud of myself because this is my first raid tier and I even did it in PF. Going to take a break for a couple of months for grad school but I hope to clear a whole road tier when I come back! You definitely inspired me to start savage so thank you!

I'm about 2 minutes in and you talking about the pf tanking experience is very on point. I ragequit tanking yesterday due to the constant hassle with your co-tank in pf and i'm gearing up drg/rpr. I love this partyfinder series, it gives good insight and sets expectations right for anyone considering going lone wolf.

Congrats! My static is finishing up dragonsong ultimate (finally at p6) before jumping blind into savage, so I'll put this video on hold for now.

On the RDM thing, some people just decide to not attack at all while progging because, well to be real the damage does not matter if you know for a fact that the pull isn't going to be a clear. If the group is progging for example Classical 2, well there's next to no reason to actually attack because you're more than likely going to wipe to caloric 2 anyway. Most people rule of thumb is, once the party is progging the last mechanic/has seen second pot window that's when they start actually trying. It's technically not greifing because they're still doing the mechanics (and mitigating usually). For some people it helps them focus on mechanics/other people which can be useful for upping group consistency

@iemmatcheslol

Жыл бұрын

truth, i got griefed way harder by healers too busy glaring/dosis to pay attention to mechanics or party hp, and dpses and tanks too busy pressing dps and killing people in caloric and beyond prog parties . There is no real use in dps until you can do the mechanics until enrage

@manwithnoname4346

Жыл бұрын

I've found that doing my rotation while progging helps me way more than pushing nothing. I can remember where I am in the fight based on where I am in my rotation. If I were to do what this RDM did, I'd effectively have to learn the fight twice.

@bigbluepurple

Жыл бұрын

This kind of makes sense but at the same time I feel half the difficulty of playing a dps role is pumping damage under the pressure of mechanics. Idk how I would get better at 2 mins under mechanical stress if I didn’t even make an effort to press the buttons until I saw enrage.

@Saeedsc

Жыл бұрын

I did this as black mage for a lockout too. Of course I warned the party of my intentions. Basically my static had to deal with a lot of memes from me since I had just started to play BLM this tier and after causing several mechanical wipes I volunteered to do this, so that my group can prog more of the fight more consistently. And for me it was a chance to go back to the basics. I was still thinking about my rotation the whole time and doing this helped me clear this fight so much more easily. People just learn differently and it’s okay. Also this tier humbled me again. I always thought I am this god like player who rarely makes mistakes but I always played dancer and white mage. BLM hits differently lol

@schmidth

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbluepurple Don't knock it till you've tried it. Some people learn that way, yes they could do some dmg, but since the dmg doesn't matter at all you might as well focus 100% on learning the actual fight. Even optimizing dmg doesn't matter in any shape or form this tier.

I progged and cleared the tier purely through Party Finder, same as I did in Abyssos, but later when I got recruited into some statics to help them get their clears, very often I'm thinking, "I think party finder was actually faster to adapt and learn than this group." When you've got a static that's spinning their wheels in the sand for weeks, there's a lot more drama involved in reshuffling the roster with new players, when in PF that's the default state of things.

@bigbluepurple

10 ай бұрын

This is ultimately why I raid in pf tbh. If I feel like I’m being held back just leave and find a new group, no drama or scheduling issues, I just raid when I feel like it. That being said pf absolutely has its downsides and many sources of frustration but overall it’s a fantastic tool.

the way u explain stuff has made it way easier and less intimidating for me to start raiding, just starting progging p9s recently (finally built up the balls) hoping to get a clear sooner or later

Gz man. This was my first tier that i fully completed. I progged up to phase1 p8s. And i also had to do it in pf. P12s is a bloody nightmare. I had to join clear party's for almost 3 weeks straight every day. And i got my clear at 1 am on a monday. Unfortunately it soured my opnion on pf tremendously.

Eyy was looking forward to this one, cant wait for the inevitable caloric theory in pf crying section

My static broke up to irl issues with one more mech in p12s. Decided to switch back to ultimates and finished up DSR. Starting top this week. Good luck with both ultimates! DSR was one heck of a fight to finish. Consistency in pf and statics is hard to find.

Last weekend I was in P12S Phase 1 LC prog and there was ALSO a red mage also did not attack the boss at all aside from autoattacking. When called out on it they said, “if you want me to do damage let me switch to summoner.” (It was 1 player per job and we already had a summoner). It was so weird, like why join a party as a class you refuse to play? It’s probably a different RDM from yours since it was Phase 1, but still - PF is wild sometimes 😂

What the RDM was doing is commonly known as JP progging and is just focusing entirely on the mech lots of reasons for and against it but its not really trolling. My group did HC hours this tier and cleared early sat week 1 while doing splits. After 5 days of 14 hour days people were tired and pretty much everybody asside from us healers were JP progging (kinda hard to do on a healer considering that you gotta still figure out slidecasting and healing timings for weave windows) and its to no detriment to anybody in the raid group if youre wiping to mechanics that are miles away from enrage. Its a lot less accepted in NA but JP progging imo as a high end raider is valid for a myriad of reasons like saving your hands saving energy for later while progging mech stuff like that.

I honestly love p11s after such hard and unlucky time from p10s think we all needed something more relax and this was worth it.

I'm on an extended brake from multiplayer games. Good luck with the re clears man.

Man I feel your comment about playing with PF tanks. Some of them want to do stuff that makes absolutely ZERO sense and requires a fair amount of adjusting. So we try it, I obviously make a mistake and they lose their shit "Hurrr durr I told you at the beginning I was doing x, y or z" and I'm like yes, but WHY - and give me a few wipes to adjust holy shit. Tanking this tier in PF is pure pain

Thanks for your video! This is my first time doing raids in PF and my first time getting to the final fight (my last two attempts were with statics that imploded before we got there and I didn't have the energy to continue). I'm progging the door boss right now and your comments have confirmed something I was worried about: P2 prog groups that can't get to P2. Is there a point where you look at the timer and just give up and reset the instance because even if you get to P2, there's not enough time left to prog? (I'm really not looking forward to that part of the fight...)

@bigbluepurple

Жыл бұрын

Most people give it the duration of 1 food buff to get to p2 so 30 minutes. I’ve had some groups try for longer but generally that’s the rule of thumb in party finder. On the bright side, when you do get into a solid p2 party, they usually stay the whole lockout.

@cailee9820

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbluepurple Good to know. BTW, your P11 experience was much like mine. Prog was so fast -- I cleared with a LotL practice party. I'm also not bothering with P9 anymore either so I can reclear faster and get back to P12 prog. Thanks again for the tips!

@bigbluepurple

Жыл бұрын

Good luck with your prog! It will be frustrating at times but p12 is a really great fight.

I fucking love your channel, please keep making content.

DAWG, I also got to a POINT where I saw the SAME RDM, where they did noting but mechanics, I called them out and no one said anything about them as well, but they said "Why does it matter I'm not dying, I just want to see if you people can do the mechanic", BRO IT'S A PROG HELP WITH DAMAGE LMAO

I took a break from the game to finish FF16 and Baldur’s Gate 3. Huge mistake… progging P12S right now is an absolute nightmare

Congrats on clearing! Now it's time to: reclear or another ultimate or criterion mount rokkon savage (For 9 and 10 you can just skip if you already BiS, because they're not worth the pain, and straight joining 11-12 parties)

@bigbluepurple

Жыл бұрын

I still need a shine from 10 so no skipping yet, but I don’t have to touch 9 anymore thankfully. Hoping to win the weapon somewhat quickly and not spend 8 weeks getting books lmao but we will see.

@hammsuke3981

Жыл бұрын

you only need to roll 99!!! xD

I cleared the tier before reset and did recreate the following day and man, I am glad that I am done progging. I clear on tank (specifically on GNB) and man it was a ride. I started the tier with a static but it got to the point where I essentially left as I was way too far ahead of them and sticking with the static just delayed me progging. Honestly if I didn’t have a static, I would probably cleared like 2-3 weeks ago. P9S was alright. Nothing too noteworthy other than the limit cuts. I actually like archaic rock breaker 1 as it was fun to weave in and out of the donut/chariot while dodging the cracks and maintaining uptime in the process. Didn’t care too much about the behemoth phase because to me it felt like filler and honestly the normal version of behemoth was more fun than this. P10S gives me anxiety. I enjoy the fight but man those tank towers. I love the idea of them but position off by a centimeter and it is a wipe and you got to do it 3 times. It’s gotten to the point where I have to bring up a reference photo of where to stand. Bonds3 and Harrowing Hell are still pf bands and it takes a few tries to get past it sometimes. Fun fight but ugh those towers. P11S is pretty sleeper for tanks but those autos hurt. I actually enjoyed progging this fight as I learned that you can actually invuln the first 2 tank buster as a GNB if you time it correctly and when I discovered that, it blew my mind. Unfortunately PLD can’t do that. P12S…. So many trap parties and players who lie on where they were at. MT phase 1 as a GNB kinda sucks as for the tank swaps, you are in the middle of your burst and provoking during that sucks. It’s doable but you gotta either drift something or triple weave. Super chain theory 1 is fun except when you get those MT that accidentally take your spread spot so they can have the boss face a cardinal to mane the following trinity slightly easier. Para 3 kinda sucks on tank depending on what debuff you get. If you get towers or cross is alright but the plus sucks as you lose uptime as you gotta be in the corner to drop it so you don’t prevent a dps from getting their tower. If you lose 2 people to lock, you can tank lb2 to save the party provided additional mitigation is up as well. Phase 2 is pretty sleeper as well but progging it sucked mainly because of cal1 and pangensis. Trying to get to cal2 took way too long because people either move too soon or mismatch their debuffs during cal1 or were too slow to either take a tower or failed to make a blob on pangensis. Classic 2 is easy when you just need to know that you just swap you column and be on the opposite side of your shape. Cal2 is sleeper as well but for the final uav depending on tank comp, you can invuln in the middle of one of the tether set to help reduce damage taken by everyone which is neat.

Omg please tell me the red mage who did nothing was ‘Rimuru Tempest’ I progged p10s with them for a bit and they also did nothing the whole fight, and when called out on it refused to do any dps at all until seeing enrage. They were promptly kicked ofc but I think it would be hilarious if it was the same guy.

@bigbluepurple

Жыл бұрын

I'd have to go back and check but that's hilarious to imagine this absolute menace running around in pf not damaging the boss.

I like how your description of how horrible p12s was and how phase1 was IMPOSSIBLE consistant; Ye... That's like every single tier, welcome to PF last fight :') I've only reached LC for p12s phase1 prog, but I'm also not pushing my prog that much, I'm doing lots of crafting/gathering, relic, DRS, Deep Dungeons grind stuff =w= But ye, I remember for p8s for example, took me 2-3 weeks to clears phase 2 when phase 2 was my prog point. I never wanna live that again, so I'm being very slow progging for this last fight this tier :) -Congrats on the clear btw!!! May I someday get help in a C41 too QvQ Now that Savage is done; Got any plan to maybe check out Criterion dungeon? :3c Or some Deep dungeon solo ôwô [If interested, tanks are usually the recommended job for Heaven-On-High and for Orthos DPS is pretty neat ;) ]

@bigbluepurple

Жыл бұрын

Taking it slow is definitely the right choice this tier. No real rush to get gear for anything either. Good luck with your prog! I do want to give criterion a shot since I didn’t touch the last one much. I also want to get all the new blu spells so that’s also probably my next focus. I do want to solo all the deep dungeons eventually but I’m not sure when I plan to start that. Might end up pushing for another ultimate first while I have the free time.

PF Dawntrail first tier in 2 months! Let's goooooo!

Still haven’t seen past Levinstrike in P9S (on Crystal, gave up after week 1 for months) Got nostalgic for Mage and Martialist so I joined a fresh group the other night Got talked down to, blamed for the MT dying to the bleed on the Martialist TB when I know I provoked, received an unwanted ELI5 about tank swaps when I have Fending accessories from P5S in my GD INVENTORY, got yelled opposing commands when I fucked up a shirk once because I was tired and autopiloting And still, I never was the reason we wiped on Levinstrike. Always a victim, never a criminal, and never learning anything. Might visit Aether and see how that goes? More likely I’ll just go back to PotD or Mogrocks.

@nekroz_of_super_dora3477

10 ай бұрын

Have finally gotten 3 clears for the necklace, went to Aether for the first clear and the others were for time reasons, always parties on Aether Todays was the wildest. P9S always needs 3 pulls apparently, and this one Sage was being weird. Claimed we died on LC2 to “healer PvP” because they were Defam 4, so it couldn’t be them, had to be the other healer Said other healer died to the Firestrikes stack Also claimed “I can’t teleport behind the boss” As a Sage All my willpower went into not typing Icarus in chat Then they died to LC2 on the clear which was cathartic. And then painful as they got multiple loot drops. But I have my necklace so I’m done unless I start going in on Samurai. And now for P10S. Not sure if I should be excited or terrified. Maybe both.

In every p12s p2 prog party there's at least 2 ppl lying about their prog point. Always. Has made it unproggable unless u just brute force it, but such is pf, did like 4 lockouts on pf's that I started where no one could do Pangen on a Classical 2/ Caloric 2 party

If you liked P12s go back and try to do P8s (door boss, not final). Probably the best fight in the whole pandemonium

It's kinda sad to see because this savage tier in Elemental JP DC is pretty much DEAD. You want to prog a certain mech and you have to wait 6+ hours just to fill, and it won't fill up at all. I'm stuck in phase 2 of P12S and I don't know if I want to clear it anymore because of the state of PF in my DC

@bigbluepurple

10 ай бұрын

On NA everybody DC hops over to Aether for raiding at the moment, so Primal and Crystal pfs are very dead. I imagine a similar situation is going on over there?

P11s saves the tier imho, the other fights, while cool, can frankly go to hell. Also harrowing hell isn't the wall it's bonds 3

Congrats but if you’re progging a phase or certain mechanic it’s a viable thing to not press any buttons and learn mechanics as damage comes naturally. However in a clear party that’s a different situation, I’m not sure if that was prog or clear but if it was prog it is not trolling. This also has also been said but please don’t promote prog skipping if you’re gonna do it just do it and don’t say anything, some players have the skill to execute mechs just after watching povs or seeing it a few times but not everyone can do that. Try and make PF a better place

P11 isn't helped by the fact that it's VERY similar to E11, so if you did that fight, the repetition is even more grating.

I feel like you'd enjoy blind progging more, you seem unhappy when learning the strats is too quick. Untangling Dark and Light without a guide was fun if a little frustrating at times due to our static having smooth brains but it certainly wasn't quick!

@bigbluepurple

Жыл бұрын

I think this is certainly true for p12s p2 as well. A lot of those mechanics lose their excitement factor when already solved. Maybe next tier I’ll look for a proper static and try a full blind prog.

Trying to clear P1 of P12S in party finder has been the absolute worst experience I've had in FFXIV.

:)

I respect you greatly Blue, but I very strongly disagree that SC1 is harder than SC2. I've been in a shit ton of P1 groups, and even bad groups can usually get through SC1 clean. SC2A specifically is way harder in PF. SC2B seems easier to me, but the problem is most people are dead by that point, or the group has wiped on SC2A.

@bigbluepurple

11 ай бұрын

SC2A is 100% no joke. It’s a very tight dodge especially how late it is into the fight. I do believe most of its difficulty is simply a result of its position in the fight though. Imagine if SC1 was swapped with SC2A, I personally think it would’ve been MUCH harder to learn sc1 if it wasn’t so early in the fight.

Duck the party finder

One of the most interesting things about P12 for me is the fact that the names of the major mechanics are old/disproven scientific theories. Superchain/Superstring Theory: An attempt to explain all particles and fundamental forces of nature with one single theory by modeling them as vibration of tiny supersymmetring strings. There is no experimental evidence so its unproven. Gaiaochos/Geocentrism: The belief that Earth was the center of the universe, why it is disproven is self-explanatory. Caloric Theory: The theory that heat consists of a self-repellent fluid called caloric that flows from hotter and to colder objects. Disproven by the formulation of 19th century heat mechanics and the laws of thermodynamic. Classical Concepts: The classical theory implies that every complex concept has a classical analysis, where a classical analysis of a concept is a proposition giving metaphysically necessary and jointly sufficient conditions for being in the extension across possible worlds for that concept. The equivalent of trying to explain Quantum Mechanics using High-School level Maths, borderline impossible. Ekpyrosis-Ekpyrotic Universe: A cosmological model about the beginning and end of the universe in which it is caught in an eternal cycle of fiery birth, gradual cooling and rebirth. Neither proven nor disproven. Pangenesis: It was Charles Darwin's hypothetical mechanism for heredity, in which he proposed that each part of the body continually emitted its own type of small organic particles called gemmules that aggregated in the gonads, contributing heritable information to the gametes. Disproven by doing blood transfusion in rabbits causing no change in the offspring. Which the leads to the Enrage:Ignorabimus, coming from the Latin phrase "Ignoramus et Ignorabimus" meaning "we do not know and we will not know" representing the idea that scientifc knowledge is in fact, limited, a terrible realization that Athena must and does comes to term with in the end of the fight.

Install the pregnant Athena Mod

woooo got here early... also 1st

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24:30 that part about the RDM not doing dps... I don't agree it's griefing. Say you are progging the middle of the fight. You have no reasonable expectation to kill the boss. DMG DOES NOT MATTER BEFORE YOU CAN DO THE MECHANICS. If that's how the RDM practices a fight that's his deal. It doesn't hurt you or the party in any way. It's only griefing if the party was a last mechanic or kill party.

Duck the party finder