Love these videos! Makes you think that its probably the crossover and tweeter. If they are going bad, 40 years is a solid run!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Darrell. Glad you’re enjoying the content. Yes I can’t complain that they have lasted for 40 years. That’s pretty awesome

Great video I like how you show the overall side of things including your trials and tribulations You have great equipment and your smart I wouldn't be surprised if next video You figured it out good luck keep the great content coming 👍👍👍👍

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Abe glad you’re enjoying the content

@pcgold944

5 ай бұрын

It sounds like a sample error. You might want to completely start over and run the speaker with the original tweeter and see if you get the same results. The other possibilities you could buy the higher inversion of direc live with multiple base management which could help you I think as well Cheers

Kudos for chasing down that free Dirac bass control trial! I'm eagerly awaiting your/Tony's thoughts and REW measurements compared to your current setup. Hope your speaker issues get sorted quickly!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I’m excited too!

Very interesting video Michael. I just got my minidsp and umik1 mic delivered so I’ll need to dive into the REW and start learning it for my new speakers. I’ve been hearing a lot about Dirac Live of late. Thanks for sharing. U have a lot of space behind your screen as well!

@Siick_GradySHORTS

3 жыл бұрын

When’s the new theatre tour BM, I’ve been waiting for 3 days haha, no rush.

@BuildMontage

3 жыл бұрын

@@Siick_GradySHORTS u mean of my theater? My theater is in pieces lol! It will be a while before it’s ready to be toured. But I’ll be filming a few updates as well soon :)

@Siick_GradySHORTS

3 жыл бұрын

Build Montage did you get the wife’s approval on the living room? Btw love the channel.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

You will like REW. It’s a great tool

@BuildMontage

3 жыл бұрын

@@Siick_GradySHORTS haha yep the speakers got installed today in the living room! She’s not seen it yet. Pray for me!

Great video man! I love the tutorial videos.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you hi-fi

i just updated my htp-1 this morning to the latest and reran dirac with the bass management control, wow what a big difference, it sounded decent before but always sounded a little off. my older onkyo sounded almost better until this update, it blends everything so much better. and it's nice you now have the 3 options, dirac off, htp control and dirac control, hopefully you get your issue sorted out and get to enjoy a movie

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Greg I ran some more test tonight and tomorrow I will have have another video with what I found

Hello :) Question: have you tried to do sweeps with and without the screen on viewing position? :) curious to see if the results deffer much or not :)

Try placeing the tweeters back to the original positions. It could be there was a bad contact that made the tweeter behave irradically.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I thought about doing that but honestly it’s such a pain in the butt to disassemble and reassemble. But I definitely have considered it

@louisd95714

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Yes, I saw how difficuilt that appeared to be. If that was me, I would have turned around the speakers and work from a different angle. I could not have reconnected them the way you did, and kudos to you. :) I work in the service industry, and judgeing by the outcome, I think you might have resolved the issue by simply reconnecting them. Being they are metal connections there could have been an oxidation build up that was causing the eroneous readings

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

As I mentioned in the video, I did not want to turn the speakers around because I wanted them to remain in the exact same place at the results would not change based on being in a new position. I ran some additional test tonight and will have another video tomorrow

@louisd95714

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Yes, I cought what you said in the video. Good luck with the additonal tests. I hope it worked well for you

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks I have another video with more testing going live today at noon Eastern standard time

Yep it was me who advised you get Everest Youthman :).

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Still haven’t watched it yet. Just finished calibrating the Monolith HTP-1 with Dirac.

Is there anyway to see how the room correction compensates for this ??

Believe it or not, Mr Reverand, this was a great video. We all go thru some troubleshooting issues and it is great to see you trying to work out bugs. I enjoyed it.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Commish. This was something of that new for me but I figured it was something I was going through so why not share it with the community

Love your videos! Thanks for sharing your experience and for being so honest. I am looking forward to purchasing the HPT-1 later this year (hopefully). So, I am very interested in your full review :)

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Francisco glad you’re enjoying the content

@danyalreyaz7503

3 жыл бұрын

How much does the HTP-1 cost ? I remember seeing 4 grand for it, which is in line with the competition from Emotiva.. doesn't seem that affordable :p or maybe I'm missing something

@mongef

3 жыл бұрын

Danyal Reyaz Hello! About $4000 plus tax in Amazon or on Monoprice’s website. So yeah, it is relatively expensive. Plus, you would need amplifiers for your speakers

@danyalreyaz7503

3 жыл бұрын

@@mongef yes, and the monoprice 11 channel amp costs 2.5 grand. That's.. 6.5 K I'm still wondering why @Youthman says it's affordable, are 16 channel processors really expensive ? I've seen Emotiva ones go for anywhere from 3 grand to 5 grand which is comparable.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

The reason I say affordable is in context of other 16 channel processors. Trinnov 16ch processor is $16,000 and it’s 32ch processor is over $20,000. Storm Audio are way up there as well. Emotiva is the only processor is comparable in price. Aside from them, you might be taking out a loan. Anyone looking to purchase a 16 channel processor is going to spend some money regardless. It just depends on how much money are you willing to spend.

My guess is there is a bad connection somewhere, look at the capacitors in the crossover. Capacitors are high pass filters, you could have discharged it and it isnt recharging correctly, or same and vise versa. I would bet crossover, loose connection or corrosion. You could make a video about going through the 40 year old crossover boards...

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I’m probably not that guy. I would rather just buy another crossover then to try to troubleshoot was wrong with the crossover LOL

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Original Klipsch LaScalas made in 1980.

Check your midrange. it could be that the mid is failing on the upper end.

Hi Ajitman, hope u r doing great, could u please know me about brand and configuration about the side surround speakers you Installed ..🙏🏽

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

My side and back surrounds are older Klipsch RS62 II

And yep I feel you with gear lying around all over the place lol!

Might just be the tweeter not affecting the midrange , or might be sound dampening from the mids not affecting the tweeter In the housing.... also from different angles might spike it...

Looks like a crossover issue... capacitors in the chain of possibly a resistor isn’t doing it’s job creating that radical spike in output in that range. You could also try to swap speaker cables from left to right to see if it’s somehow an issue upstream of the speaker

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Yes I still have a few more test I want to run to make sure it’s the speaker and not the processor or the amplifier

Get some linacustic on the front speaker wall, loads of guides on AVSFourm on how to do it, will make a huge difference, sounds like a lot of echo in with those LCR,s

I came across something similar to what you went through but at that time it was under warranty and they repaired it it was my Center Channel speaker and I was told it was the cross over and the Tweeter but like I said it was similar the only difference that yours is not doing it was shutting off my amplifier hope you find your problem Michael maybe this is a sign to upgrade to the jtr speakers lol😁

do anyone know good 4way crossover for tweeter , mid , and 2 woofer for a floor standing speaker i have

Look forward to the video you're posting at noon. First thing I would do is remove the crossovers and get a multi-meter and measure the resistance of all the components on that. Most of the stuff will have resistance values in ohms along with tolerances written on them so you might see 5 ohms +/- .5 ohms and you might find some that are out of spec and would need to be replaced. Ones that are 4.2 ohms instead of 5 would be ones that should be replaced but you might find ones that are .5 or 1 ohms instead of 5 and those would be the parts that are causing the issue you're seeing. Would be pretty easy to check and would allow you to know for certain whether the crossover is bad or not. A lot of times you can find wiring diagrams for speaker crossovers which would make that even easier to troubleshoot. Redoing the crossover yourself isn't hard as it's only a bit of soldering and you might be able to get better sound potentially with higher end parts (that aren't 40 year old tech :P) with tighter tolerances but I can understand if that's not something you would be interested in doing as you could improve the sound or make it worse depending on what parts you use. Parts express has a lot of crossover parts that you could use that are supposed to be decent quality.

You could of use tape a taped out where the speakers were. Im right around the same age as you. Getting to old for that. Great video you will absolutely love everest in atmos its insane. I think that was my first atmos movie I watched that and american sniper the same day

So if I understood correctly, the problem stayed with the left speaker when you swapped the tweeters? That would mean the problem is upstream, cable, amp, processor. If the only thing you changed is the new HTP-1, perhaps the left channel output has an issue?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

It could be but my suspect is a 40-year-old crossover

Umik 2 makes sense / is better for measure home Cinema?

Sounds like you are ready for an upgrade. I see 3 JTR Noesis 215RM next month as your new front stage.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully in a few months, Jeff will get caught up on orders and can send me (3) Noesis 210RM. They should be plenty for my setup

tweeter appears to be functioning in both measurements just much more harsh in the original measurement . id guess one of two things. something was touching the tweeter diaphragm . or you have a bad filter cap on the crossover when replacing the tweeter moving things around it moved it back in place.. if you get a moment pull the crossovers and take a look. hard to tell with out being there with a DDM

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Take a look at the other two videos I made on the subject, also if you look at the pinned comment at the top of the comment section, you’ll find additional information on my plan

perhaps the " bad" Tweeter had oxidized connections and breaking the connection and switching it out and putting the connections back on broke through the oxidation and signal was restored?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Possibly. Maybe I’ll try cleaning the connections.

great video......

Did you do more than 1 sweep, to make sure it wasn't a fluke response. Sometimes you can get a bad reading, but then run the same sweep on that speaker 5 times and get the correct response.. just a thought.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Shawn, I have a final video tomorrow with additional tests doing exactly what you described above.

figured it out yet? I noticed in your video that your laptop is in front of your mike. You lowered the lid. However, the lid surface might have been reflecting the high frequencies. And you lid is at different positions for each test. Perhaps?

It could just be something as simple as a bad connection. After swapping them around the new left and right look about even on their falloff. So probably just the act of tightening them again after swapping did the trick.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I have a new video dropping tomorrow with more measurements

Both tweeter anomalies occur at the upper crossover freq. The reason one sweep goes up and the other down could be due to switched polarity. I believe it's the Left Crossover.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the input

@ebutuoyscottso

3 жыл бұрын

@Dire Straits Phase

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Just finished editing a video with more testing. Look for it to drop tomorrow

I've heard of the sub crawl, but never the tweeter crawl!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

That was the Tweeter Plank lol

@fooschnickens

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman hopefully it's a quick and easy fix, I know I wouldn't want to do that maneuver any more often than I needed to!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I ended up with a headache from being upside down LOL

Leaky cap on x-over causing intermittent issues maybe? Had that with my Polk SDA's .

Sir actually, which avr you are using, 1, have you used power amp, how you calibrated, auddessy mic or anthel avr level

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Here is a room tour of my home theater - kzread.info/dash/bejne/gnapqq6gd87Mhpc.html Marantz AV7705 with Monolith 11X amp, Audyssey XT32

UPDATE: Instead of replying to every comment with the same information, I figured it would be easier to add it here. After 3 days of troubleshooting my left speaker with REW, I came to the conclusion that the 40yr old Klipsch LaScala crossover in my left speaker is going bad. I spoke with my contact at Klipsch to see if they had parts for them (figured they wouldn't) and they advised that they have partnered with jemperformanceaudio.com/ for any Klipsch Heritage repairs as they sell Heritage parts that are approved by Klipsch and will not alter the original sound signature that PWK originally designed. I spoke with the owner Jim for about 30 minutes (super cool guy) about my issue and we also had a great chat about audio as well. Jim said it sounded like the capacitors in my left speaker needed to be replaced so I ordered new capacitors for all three speakers and will get my Dad to help me solder them (I've never soldered before). I appreciate that many of you recommended ordering crossovers from GR Research, Bob Crites, or DeanG but unfortunately each of them offers modified crossovers that are different from the original design by PWK. Even if they use the same values, by using "upgraded" parts, it alters the original sound signature, which I didn't want to do. I'm looking forward to hearing how they sound after installing new caps. Of course I will document the process in a future video as well as share how they sound. If it drastically improves the sound, I'm going to kick myself from not doing this sooner. LOL Tomorrow I'm going to bring my Martin Logan 60XTi and 50XTi into the theater room and do a full Dirac calibration with the Monolith HTP-1. I'm pretty stoked to finally hear how the HTP-1 sounds so stay tuned!

@xray111xxx

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video Youthman. After 40 years those Capacitors are going to be toast. Nothing lasts forever. Also you know the other side will do it too. Is your Center also a Klipsch of the same vintage. ESR, Out of tolerance and Electrical Leakage are going to be the unhappy of an old electrolytic Capacitor. Looking forward to seeing your thoughts on that Monoprice Pre Pro. Would be cool to compare the Emotiva and the Monoprice.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, As mentioned above, I bought new caps for all three crossovers

I didn't even think about reclining my chairs when doing calibration until I saw this video. Always placed the mic slightly above the headrest, but this is something I'm going to have to try out!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I got that idea from the Dirac Live thread in the AVS forum.

@chriswelljack4910

3 жыл бұрын

Look like ear level to me thats the first take in the sweet spot .I was trying to run dirac on my xmc2 but am getting to many clip samples way to much ac units running in other apartments windows around me so am waiting until the weather cools down and al ac units get a break lol

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the more quiet you can get your room, the better results it will yield

@chriswelljack4910

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman yea I know i just cant get pass the first sweep to much ac humming on the outside so I am gonna wait lol

That sucks. I was hoping you’d be able to do a direct comparison to what you’re always running. Putting the M Logan’s changes everything. You won’t be able to truly compare to your main setup to determine if it’s actually an improvement over the Marantz you have. I do hope you’re able to get it sorted out soon. Good luck

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes but I EM if I can’t, I will still be able to assess the sound quality, functional airy and use ability of the HTP-1

Everything looks good now, it looks like some crossover issue in the speaker, it must have happened pretty recent as you would have heard this in normal content. You could take measurements at close range near the tweeter on all 3 speakers to try and take as much of the room out as possible. Don't use the 90 degree calibration file for this, use the other one as you want the mic to be pointed at the tweeter. This will give a good indication on how all the tweeters are measuring, if done right they should follow the same curve. Enjoy Dirac, it's the best RoomEQ I have ever used and not as daunting to use if you are used to REW. A tweekers dream

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a good idea Jimmy. How close would you recommend putting the mic to the tweeters?

@jimmy2shoes75

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman 2 inches should be fine, the closer the better, getting the same position for all speakers is the main thing with the mic at perfect center to the horn.

Things like this drive you crazy but home theater enthusiast will lay awake in bed at night trying to figure out what's wrong.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

It’s all part of the journey

I had this a few weeks ago regarding my tweeter for one of my Monitor Audio front towers. The Ferro-fluid had dried up. I bought a new tweeter and the problem was solved. They did suggest I could refill it but I bought a new tweeter for ease. The Sound guy told me that in his experience over the years, tweeters go 1st. This might not be the same as your case but hope that helps.

@BoredSilly666

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbanas2899 forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/please-help-with-ferrofluid-replacement-in-tweeters.497390/

@BoredSilly666

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonbanas2899 Many, many speakers from the 1990 & 2000 decades had metal-dome tweeters damped with "ferrofluid." The idea was that the viscous fluid, magnetically held in the tweeter voice coil gap, would dampen resonances and ringing in the (then new technology) metal-dome tweeters. Now, in 2013, many of those tweeters sound dull, or have quit working altogether. This happens because the liquid in the ferrofluid has evaporated, leaving a muck or solid in its place. The muck reduces amplitude of the tweeter (making the speaker sound "dull" or "muffled"). The solid prevents the tweeter from working at all. Most people throw away their speakers at this point and buy new ones. But with a bit of elbow grease, the tweeters can be restored to "like new" performance. This thread shows how. Click above for further info.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

It does not appear that it is the tweeter. After switching tweeters, the issue remains with the left speaker cabinet and does not follow the tweeter

@BoredSilly666

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Sorry I missed that bit , i was doing several things at once. Yes you are correct if it doesnt follow it

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

@@BoredSilly666 No worries.

I enjoy your videos, happen to also recently get an HTP-1 and have been enjoying it much more than the XMC-2 that I had for 2 months. I agree with what others have pointed out. Most likely cross over related, might need an overhaul! Could also swap left and right channel preamp to verify not the speaker cable nor the amplifier.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that would be an easier test than swapping the speakers again LOL

@RockRocky09

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Let me know if you're ever in town, I have dual TV18 IPAL subwoofers from PSA... NanometerTech (AVS Forum)

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Where is “in town”?

@RockRocky09

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Calabasas California

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately I have only been to California once for VidSummit.

The rubberseal might be worn/dry/? :) I see know that the midrange has a seal, not the tweeters :)

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Take a look at my most recent video as well as the pinned comment at the top with my plan to repair them

Good morning my friend. Currently I have a Monolith 7x200 amp hooked up to a Yamaha 3030, Tekton Encores, B&W center, duel SVS 16 subs and SVS surrounds. Simply love the amp. Looking to go to a pre amp. Looking at several. Emotive, Monolith, plus others. My search continues. Recommendations??. Leaning towards the Monolith with the new Emotiva RMC 1L in. 2nd place. My best. Dan. Albuquerque

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dan, I have not reviewed the RMC-1L. It’s the non-modular version of the RMC-1 that I reviewed which unfortunately had a lot of bugs. I just reviewed the HTP-1 and it performed very well and was very stable. I’m editing a correction video on it right now with more info on its performance. It will be uploaded later today.

@danieldelgado8153

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. Looking forward to it. Be safe. Dan

I like to see a Review of the onkyo txrz50 cause of dirac

@Youthman

Жыл бұрын

Me too. Problem is they aren’t in stock.

Can it be wrong polarity of the tweeter, try - on +

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

No it was not a polarity issue. I have another video with the final testing today

Wow, your speakers are 40 years old?? They were made in 1980!? Must be really good for you to keep them for this long and part of your home theater.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir. Truly vintage speakers but still sound great

@totalbliss1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman I don't believe I've ever gotten a response that fast on KZread!! I'm assuming your speakers are the Klipsch LaScalas you were talking about before?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Johnny. I’ll try to reply to every comment but as the channel continues to grow definitely more and more difficult. Yes I have owned my Klipsch LaScalas for many years.

Youthman videos are great. If you want to move the speakers use painters tape to mark there position on the floor. Then you can put them back in the exact location.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

True but you got admit it’s not as much fun LOL OK maybe that would’ve been a lot easier

@mwcoater

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman You on top of the speaker was very entertaining!

i have read a lot of comments about monopnice amplifiers that have issues some channels stop working and they are refusing to honor their refund policy and they dont even reply to their customers. Anyone can verify this?

@Youthman

Жыл бұрын

I have owned the Monolith 11X for 2 years with zero issues.

Sounds like a good time to upgrade fronts to JTR. lol

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

That seems to be almost every other comment LOL

Bad Xover in the left speaker - probably the reason for the variable measurements is because the Xover behaves differently over time and temperature. A bad cap behaves like a resister and the amount of resistance will vary with temperature. Makes perfect sense to me, which is supported by the fact that you got two bad measurements on the left side, even though they are different bad measurements....

You might have a faulty capacitor in you receiver have it tested if not your speaker cross over may be on its way out .I had bad crossovers in my tower speakers rebuilt the crossovers and still did not correct the problem so just chopped them up with an orbital saw could not be happier problem gone bought better quality speakers better now .

@Mr.HotRod

Жыл бұрын

ooooooooh. I "saw" what you did there.

@youthman , you are using dipole speakers but dolby indicates in their documents that dipole speakers are not good for dolby atmos.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

You are correct but they are referring to Atmos speakers as in your height channels or your in ceiling speakers. They are not referring to your side surrounds and your surround back speakers

you may have swapped polarity on the tweeter?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I I checked before I disconnected them. Black to black and red to red. Speaker cable is soldered to the speaker itself so that cannot be changed

How many sweeps did you do the first time? Maybe you should have done 3 tests too see if you got that response with the left tweeter each time. Know what i mean?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I’m still pretty new to our REW. I’m learning that I need to run multiple tests to make sure it’s not just an anomaly. I have a new video coming today at noon with additional testing.

@Snapps240

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman awesome. Yeah from my end of things that's what it seems like! And I'll be sure to watch!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Here is the new video - kzread.info/dash/bejne/mqWIxLSumtq7ops.html

Troubleshooting should try tweeter again in left....

The big jump suggests the tweeter was in wrong fase, the strong falloff in the highs is probably from a wrong toe in. Aim all the speakers straight at the microphone.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

The left and right speaker are toed in towards my center seat. Do you think towing in the left one further would make a difference?

@theaudiofool5475

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman absolutely, horns are very directional, and it gets worse the higher the frequency's are. Just try it. With kind regards Marcel, from Hoogeveen in the Netherlands.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you that is certainly easier to try then swapping crossovers again LOL

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

New video coming later today with modified toe in measurements

OMG how tough it is, becoming a fan after looking at the efforts put in to share the information and experience. Thumbs Up.

I really love your videos Youth Man Mike higher Sherlock Holmes to figure it out or Jean your buddy. You certainly make awesome videos some of them I don't have the money for it we just bought a new car but I love your videos regardless thank you so much keep up the great work they an audio holic thank you God bless,

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve

What is really tweaking my interest is ... how you didn't even notice that with your ears .. but saw it with your eyes. That's a whole other issue. Yes - testing with other speakers.. wires.. change the wall hangings... Those are really odd results for sure. I will be following your progress.. This is the real deal with tuning..and it's ALL worth it.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

You do realize I have 11 speakers playing in my room. Having a single tweeter that isn’t functioning at optimal performance is difficult to hear. Now it would be different if the tweeter was fried and no sound was being emitted.

You could mark th position with a bit of tape on the floor. That way you know where to put them.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

True but you have to admit it’s a little bit more entertaining with me sitting upside down LOL

@randomgameclipz4995

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman thsts point well made. For some viewers out there, your rear in the air is all the entertainment they need.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe it’s too much for them to handle 🤣🤣🤣

@randomgameclipz4995

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO 🤣. When you change your capacitors over could you do a clip of that?, Would be nice to see. Thank you and keep up the fantastic content.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely that is the plan. I’m replacing all of the capacitors in all three speakers and will document the process

michael!! Gerard Stroh!! I would Check EQ Settings First!! You Change The Tweeter So It's Not That!!! It Could Be The Crossover In The Speaker Cabernet!! I Do Know That Caps Can Go Bad Do With Age and Time!! I Do Know More About Pro Audio More Than Home Theater!! What I Do Somethimes Is Play A Mono Recording and Go By The Speaker And See If It Sounds Different From The Left & Right Speaker!!! Note Did It Do The Same Thing On A Another Reciever Or Preamp!! Bye; From Gerard Stroh!!

I'd try one of your other pre pros with Audyssey to see if they same condition exists.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Barney but did you see me measure with REW? That is completely separate from Audyssey or Dirac.

@barneyjones5174

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman It's Barney, i do have fun with Bonnie.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Haha Gotta love talk to text

If the crossovers have never been updated, then it’s time to do that. A rebuild kit from Crites is 100 bucks for the pair. Or send them to him and he’ll do it for you for a very reasonable price.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yup these are stock. Definitely time to upgrade.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like they are more than you thought - PAIR of TYPE AA CROSSOVERS: $344.00. I would need 3 of them. 😳

@voiceofreason9238

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman I was referring to a rebuild kit. Each kit does two speakers. $110 for the kit. critesspeakers.com/prices-crossover_repair_kit.html

I was thinking the cross over rite away. It's just theory but you had some serious stuff going on in the bass, looks like below 200hz. The highs were not rite but if it was a tweeter problem you shouldn't see that huge dip around 100hz.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Gotcha. Honestly I’m not super knowledgeable in this area but just knew something did not look right

@nickpilarski6746

3 жыл бұрын

I'm no electrical engineer, hope u figure it out. I wanna know what is.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Me either. I just posted a new video with some more testing - kzread.info/dash/bejne/mqWIxLSumtq7ops.html

obviously its time to get JTR's

Dirac doesn't let you level match your Atoms speakers with the bedded speakers? 12:28 on the timeline. Asking for a friend. 😆😆

Looks like reconnecting the tweeter resolved it, so either you had a funky connection and resetting it fixed it and the swap didn't really do anything, or that first pass with the error, was just an anomaly, did you get that result more than once? Either way currently, looks like your new left and new right are more in line with each other than originally, so problem solved no? Also if it was that messed up for real, as much as you critically listen to this stuff, I think you'd have heard it before seeing it, lending to posibly just an anomalous run, with no real problem. I guess next step is to reverse the tweeters back to their original locations, and see if that weird graph repeats itself, but honestly, the way it is now seems like the result you want, so maybe leave well enough alone?

@Antimonkat

3 жыл бұрын

P.s. isn't all that extra audio stuff on the floor throwing off your calibration anyway? I mean even something as different as who is sitting on what seats will affect your audio responsiveness. I dunno I've never had a receiver that did room correction, or been to any ones HT that has, so I have no perspective on what kind of difference to expect from a great system, bog standard with just speaker distances and basic crossover points set, to a hard core multipoint calibration, a system, totally dialed in. I just know without going through all this *which don't get em wrong, as a tinker, seemas fun* I really enjoyed my setup, so I just wonder, what am I really missing out on, how much better could it be? makes me curious for sure.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

From what everyone says, Dirac is the best room correction on the market. I’m really curious to hear for myself

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I probably need to do some more testing just to make sure and confirm my results. But seeing that Direct and I are a W noticed something odd about the left speaker tells me there’s probably a physical issue. Some have even suggested towing in my left speaker more as that might have been causing the issue. Unfortunately swapping the speakers is a royal pain in the butt due to the way that I have to do it. If I could get directly behind each speaker that would make the process extremely easy but I’m trying not to move the speakers so I can keep the same results when I run measurements

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

As far as having extra stuff on the floor, the reality is every room will have something that will interact with the speakers. Whether that’s furniture, people, hard surfaces, acoustic panels, cabinet, flooring, ceiling, ceiling fan, the list goes on and on.

Is it possible the polarity was reversed by mistake?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

No I checked that.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Cables are all XLR

@havok2022

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman I think the solution is simple. "Honey, I need to buy new speakers. And I can prove it with charts!"

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Haha

Time to add the JTR 212HTR for the front stage!!!!!!!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Butch everyone is pushing me to get the JTR’s. I’m definitely interested in reviewing a JTR LCR. I have a feeling once I do, I will be selling my LaScalas. I think the 210RM I’ll be a better fit for behind my screen since they are sealed

@butchgo3756

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman But then you are giving up the coaxial compression driver which is a big feature of JTR's reference series speakers!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Did you notice the R in the 210 RTM? Jeff told me any models with the “R” in the model number use the same compression driver

@butchgo3756

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman I did not. I guess I should take another look. They would be a good choice.

Sounds like you had a wiring problem that you fixed while you were doing the swap.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Stay tune to tomorrow’s video. Did some more testing

In a way, that’s one of the best (or worst) parts of upgrading. It’s a change to check out your gear and see if everything is still working. I’ve figured out stuff has been unplugged before, amp channels were no longer working, setting had been altered, etc... and I hadn’t even realized I was missing out! But ya that’s real man. Good on ya for showing that this hobby ain’t always roses!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I agree Scott. One time I remember I was changing out an amplifier and one of the back surround speakers came unplugged Because I had some cheap banana plugs that had become loose and falling out. I have since upgraded to better banana plugs LOL

@scottnorris9079

3 жыл бұрын

Youthman I use bananas as well but have had the same problem before. Think when I change houses I’m going to just do it the old fashioned way. Good luck with the new component. I’m really curious about how it ends up sounding!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I love banana plugs, I just no longer use Nakamichi. The GLS and even Media Bridge work great

@scottnorris9079

3 жыл бұрын

Youthman I use media bridge as well. And for somebody who changes our components frequently like you do they really are the only way to go. I also really admire your front stage/media rack. Aside from being absolutely beautiful, It’s so accessible and makes those kinds of chores so much easier. An inspiration to us all!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly

can we watch you and your family watch Everest?

@Youthman

Жыл бұрын

Probably not

Well, clearly the tweeters are both good and both basically the same. The fact they measure different on the left speaker clearly means there is an issue in the crossover. In the process of swapping the tweeters you changed the problem in the crossover. Possibly one bad connection became a different bad connection just from moving the wires around. Passive crossovers from a circuit layout standpoint are really simple, you should easily be able to find the problem if you can remove the crossover and examine it. Worst case remove both the good and the bad so you can compare them. I haven't used REW, I normally use ARTA so I don't know what REW's capabilities are. With ARTA you can easily measure the transfer function of the crossover and see what the frequency response of the electrical signal passing through it is. An LCR meter isn't expensive and it can measure the values of capacitors and inductor components to verify they measure to spec. Hey maybe now is a good time to ditch the passive crossovers and go active! Bi-amp the speakers with DSP active crossovers and dial those speakers in better than they could ever be with passive. Sorry, I just hate passive crossovers, rarely use them for anything other than maybe surrounds or ceiling speakers for distributed audio.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don’t think I’m ready for active crossovers. Honestly I prefer to keep it pretty simple. The reality is I have 40 year old speakers that need some love and attention

I was hugely let down on the Everest 4KUHD Blu-ray of course I was going in with high expectations. I'll have to watch it again when I get my DENON AVR-X4700H and my PlayStation 5 and go in with lower expectations.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

You’re the first person that has mentioned they didn’t care for it. Hopefully I’ll be able to check it out tomorrow night

@randybradley4151

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Like I said I went in with high expectations. I wasn't critiquing the audio side only the visual side. I don't have a Dolby Atmos supported AVR yet but I am running a 7.1. I have 2 sets of bi-pole speakers, mounts, 12 gauge speaker wire, banana plugs and 8K HDMI 2.1 cord just waiting for my new receiver.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

OK, I thought you were referring to the Dolby Atmos

@randybradley4151

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman My bad, sorry.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

No worries

One of the capacitors has failed in the crossover is my guess.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

That would not surprise me the capacitors being that old likely need to be recapped. I just really don’t want to spend $350 x 3 for new networks

@moonunitdaily1445

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman you could be the first to go full active crossover with a mini dsp and six amps lol. I'd watch that series for sure.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

No sir Nathan. From what I hear active crossovers are a major undertaking

@moonunitdaily1445

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman I went full active in my work truck and don't think I could ever go back to passive. Sure it's a vehicle but it's not as bad as you think. Now the money in all the amps and DSP might be a big undertaking lol.

@alford35

3 жыл бұрын

Full active is the only real way of the “End Game”. I’m running full active on my LCRs. 12 channels and 2 bi amped sets per LCR. So really 18 channels sof amp power just for the LCRs lol. Crazy but sound is crazy and only have 12 of the total 18 hooked up right now.

Have you measured several times, it could be a onetime issue. En besides, that piek must be audible…

It has to be because of the relative position to the moon to Jupiter! 😉

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Dang! And here I was thinking it was Saturn. Guess I need more measurements

Calibration maybe

??? Maybe it’s the Software and the speakers are just fine

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

When you run REW and take measurements, It definitely points to the speakers having the issue not the software

Voice seems deeper...either you hit puberty again or you just woke up. 😜

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I was sick for a while and I’m still getting over a cold so my voice is deeper than normal

Time to get some JTR Speakers

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I’m waiting on an LCR to review. Jeff needs to get caught up on orders first

@brianlove3369

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman nice I wish i had the space and the cash to use them

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

I’m putting some cash aside now just in case I like them more than my LaScalas.

I am like this tipe hope you post many of this type video thanks

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the feedback. I'm trying some new things on the channel. Glad you are enjoying them.

40 year's, not serious! Klipsch use electrolytic capacitors that are drying with time. Perhaps it's time for a complete overhaul? You have to know that Audyssey work hard to do the corrections. Look on KZread Danny Ritchy of GR-Research for fixing problems concerning Klipsch speakers.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Danny modifies speakers to his liking instead of restoring them to factory specs. I have reached out to JEM Performance Audio. Klipsch has authorized them to restore Kliosch heritage speakers back to factory specs

@brenthawkins204

2 жыл бұрын

Well said. Danny puts in the time that the OG designer didn't. Even klipsch knew the crossover needed improving. Doesnt make sense to not want a flatter frequency response...and no ..replacing parts with klipsh approved caps doesnt make the performance better.

@Youthman

2 жыл бұрын

Eh to each his own.

Crossover or wiring issue!

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Crossover

Serously? what does this word mean?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously as in “I can’t believe this happened”

@tonymaddison

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman but the KZread screen pic says "serously"

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Does it really?

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously! Now that’s too funny. Thanks for letting me know. I just corrected it

@tonymaddison

3 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman do I win a prize?

Well you've just told us what the films about, hardly worth watching now! 😉🤣🤣

This is obviously a sign from God, telling you it's time to upgrade your LCR to JTR. 😁

@VoyagerGC

3 жыл бұрын

JTRRRRRRR !!!! \m/

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Too funny 😂

Toe your speaker a little more and remeasure the speakers

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Idea coming later today with those measurements

Nope, that didnt happen. 😂🤣😂🤣

HI, you do not suppose to be siting there, it interfere with the sound, you suppose to be out of the room or behind the sofa.

@Youthman

2 жыл бұрын

It depends on whether or not you plan on sitting there when you watch a movie. 😉

@oneemotiva4975

2 жыл бұрын

was stating when you are calibrating Dirac :)) but yeaa

You should acoustically treat the space behind the screen. Listen to the reverb and reflections while you're back there.

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that is the plan. Everything always comes down to time

bought a soundbar for bedroom, sounds like ass, im spoiled smh

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Most of them do lol

Hello from Spain I am a faithful follower of your channel, thanks to you I have decided to create my channel, dedicated to home teather, of course you are invited to visit my channel. Thanks for your video reviews and others and although I don't know English (I wish I could speak it well) I really enjoy it. Thanks a big hug from Spain

@Youthman

3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations on starting your channel! That’s exciting. Best of luck with it.

@megustaelhomecinema9436

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, if you go in to see it one day I'll be delighted and right now I'm adapting so I'm a bit robotic hahaha Thank you very much for your channel A hug

Long video but make very little sense from metrology basic principles point of view.