What are you doing then?

@raidensakura

8 ай бұрын

nothin, i ain't dying if i don't play those games

@muhammadamaar7936

8 ай бұрын

fuun

@Grand-DucMike

8 ай бұрын

Play older games maybe ? Or get a console ? It isn't that simple, it definitely costs too much to play games and that's just sad.

@Pelliq_E

8 ай бұрын

Planning on upgrading from Gtx 980 Ti to Rx 6700 xt

@jamafett

8 ай бұрын

I'm upgrading my fans and case, and playing 2d games😂. Thanks for the video Vex👍

Please just don't buy these unoptimized and unplayable games.

@batmanmotherfucker

8 ай бұрын

Bought 3 copies.

@matsv201

8 ай бұрын

Define un optimized

@ajgiel

8 ай бұрын

​@@matsv201shit game developers 🥰

@X_irtz

8 ай бұрын

@@matsv201 When a game requires upscaling at RECOMMENDED settings at 1080p, it's clearly unoptimized.

@tablettablete186

8 ай бұрын

​@@X_irtzIs Alan Wake 2 included? Because it seems to be optimized, but a bit heavy (especially with RT)

If Americans complain about pc parts prices, with their lowest price market, we can easily say that pc gaming is freaked up.

@prizrak-br3332

8 ай бұрын

That's right, I wish I could build that PC for 1000 USD in my country, that's how much my parents payed for my first mid range gaming PC in 2016. Same specs PC here today would easely go for 2000~2500 USD. I'm decently well off for my country standards and even for me that's abysmal, it took me a year working my first job to buy my current PC and I'm still living with my parents so I didn't have to pay rent or anything.

@jamescarter8311

8 ай бұрын

The value of America's dollar was destroyed when we "printed" $5 trillion that's backed by nothing. Thus it takes more dollars to purchase anything. The federal government essentially took money from our wallet to pay for pet programs.

@lucashatton7640

8 ай бұрын

Im in france and GPUs like the RX 7800 XT are about 100$ more expensive than in the US

@NatrajChaturvedi

8 ай бұрын

LOL good point. Especially in countries like mine where we have to pay crazy mark ups on msrp... imagine how hopeless we feel over here lol

@JohnSmith-sk7cg

8 ай бұрын

American prices aren't necessarily that much lower. A fundamental difference between foreign and US pricing is tax is not included. Depending on where you live, that can range upwards of 10-15% and that is not present in our sticker price.

No amount of raw hardware power can beat a poorly optimised game!

@dante19890

7 ай бұрын

no amount of optimization can make a GTX1080 run an unreal 5 engine game with lumen and nanite at an acceptable framrate

@flyingturret208thecannon5

7 ай бұрын

I miss the days where we asked, “can it run Crysis?”

@user-nw8pp1cy8q

6 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Most modern software are so poorly written that it runs at 1/100 of possible performance.

@user-nw8pp1cy8q

6 ай бұрын

@@dante19890 >with luman and nanite Which is a technologies that allow gamedev companies to spend less money on competent artists (who have been making LODs and optimized meshes to make a game to run fast) at cost of making users pay for more powerful software and spend more money on electricity.

@dankmemesstudios3987

6 ай бұрын

@@dante19890 These technologies aren't that useful to the consumer. Most games look great with prebaked lighting and handmade lods. With lumen and nanite game makers can make more gains cheaper which they are going to charge more for and hardware companies can sell us more hardware expensive. Games looked great on xbox one 10 years ago! No one can run games with similar hardware anymore.

anyone remember back when you could just jam a decent gpu in an office pc and get a reasonable experience in the latest games for like 4-500 bucks? good times

@pasionate

7 ай бұрын

me w my 4th gen i5 and rx 580 :)

@lawisclems4303

7 ай бұрын

Bought my 970 for 330 back then I was chilling for a good time for not much money nowadays you have to spend minimum 600 for a 70 card in my country… it’s a shame

@smalldeekgeorge

7 ай бұрын

bought hp i7 3770 16gb ram and puted $200 gtx 1050 ti qhen it came out could run all the games from that year on high or very high

@TheNotSoChibiRobo

6 ай бұрын

The thing is... You still can, you just have to play the right games, Spider-Man remastered and halo infinite are great relatively recent games that you can play flawlessly at 1080p with 500 bucks

@yueprime1411

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, back in high school. i just bring my external HDD and visit my classmate's homes there we play any games popular that time.

these insane requirements combined with games not having free demos you can try is such a great combination

@xflyinglizardx

8 ай бұрын

that's why steam has a refund option

@polarvortex6601

8 ай бұрын

@@xflyinglizardx i have been denied refunds before even if i played the game under 2 hrs threshold

@wildeyshere_paulkersey853

8 ай бұрын

Pirate, pirate and then keep pirating

@GentlyUsedFrog

8 ай бұрын

@@wildeyshere_paulkersey853 Amen to that brother

@madhunter6420

8 ай бұрын

crack the games@@polarvortex6601

Modern AAA games are just 60$ tech demo, graphics should serve the gameplay and not the focal point. Graphics and high fidelity obsession will kill AAA due to cost and effort to make them.

@Damian-cilr2

7 ай бұрын

Yep,AAA games now feel like tech demos,most don't run well,it may be decently optimised,i am also well aware that there is a limit to optimisation,however the games practically rely on dlss or fsr to even run decently on even the highest end of hardware nowadays,when i got my laptop it could reasonably run the (at the time) latest games on low or medium at atleast 30-60 fps Now,it can run only games up to like ~2020 if we're being generous barring indie games

The worst part is that over here in Europe it’s even more expensive cause of tax and import on products. For a mid range PC $1500 - $2000 is the range for mid range, a range that just a few years ago that would get you the highest end system.

@Wulfhartus

7 ай бұрын

A mid range PC costs 1100€ at most. That is what my 6750xt+5600x costed me in France 1 year ago. And the prices are lower now. There is no point at complaining.

@scifiordie

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Wulfhartuscheapest 6750xt is 380 euro. 5600 is 140 euro. A b550m board is 95 euro. 16gb of ddr4 3600 is 50 euro. A decent case is 40 euro. A reliable 500w psu is 70 euro. Add 1tb nvme at 60 euro and 2tb ssd at 90 euro. This built costs under 900 euro so i guess youre right. I started writing this comment thinking youre wrong ( there is another currency in my country so I couldnt estimate from the beginning what the result would be ).

@Wulfhartus

7 ай бұрын

@@scifiordie that's a decent build but I would rather prefer a 650W or 750W for longevity (within 10 years, you might want to upgrade)

@scifiordie

7 ай бұрын

@@Wulfhartus indeed. I think I would also change the CPU with an i5 12400 because its faster and slightly cheaper, though paying more for a ryzen 5 7600 makes a lot more sense since the platform has so much more futureproofing.

@Wulfhartus

7 ай бұрын

@@originalPLUGWhat are your "productivity" tasks with your GPU ? Doing Excel ?

The midrange graphics cards cost as much as a midrange computer would've cost a few years ago over here in Sweden. It's ridiculous to pay something like 650$ for a 7700xt.

@Wylabn

8 ай бұрын

i paid 890$ for a 4070 while the ti cost around 1k-1.2k+ in my country, its better than laptops in terms for performace i guess

@BlackPaperMoon18

8 ай бұрын

​@@Wylabnwow i paid 2800 PLN for 4070 which is 678 USD and i tought that shit was expensive af. I mean i make like 3200 PLN a month 😅 but 890? That Would be 3800 PLN 😂😂😂

@R3TR0J4N

8 ай бұрын

Damn true, Back when high-end GPU cost like a entry level APU PC now it's a full mid range PC.

@jb3960

8 ай бұрын

You should have tried to buy a computer in the 90s 😅

@OnlyKaerius

8 ай бұрын

@@jb3960 I miss the early 90s prices. I bought an Amiga 600 for like $125 new in '93. Got years of gaming out of it.

That $1,200 build here in my country is equal to $1,600 to $1,800. That same GPU is priced here at $645.

@bojackss9955

8 ай бұрын

Same here especially with the VAT

@lyziqco6555

8 ай бұрын

Exactly in our country (Bangladesh) the price of even an 6700xt is above 550$.... And just checked the 7800xt it's around 740$... Sigh

@jamesyoung151

8 ай бұрын

Keep in mind that the US prices do NOT include tax or shipping. Depending on where you buy it, you have to add shipping and tax which drives the cost up more.

@astra6640

8 ай бұрын

Yeah... and people often make less money in places outside the US.

@jamesyoung151

8 ай бұрын

@@astra6640There are also people who don't make much in the US as well.

I have that exact combo - 5600, 32 GB of RAM, 1 TB NVMe and 6700 XT. It's a good system and gets me by with everything i do on it, but i honestly don't feel much of an interest to play the newest games (maybe apart from Baldur's Gate 3, when that goes on sale), because a lot of them feel incredibly rushed and rely too much on all these new upscaling technologies JUST to get PLAYABLE framerates! That's what pisses me off, upscaling is supposed to be sort of a bonus extra fps for those, who can actually utilize this technology, whether it's FSR or DLSS. It shouldn't be included in the goddamn RECOMMENDED specs category!!! It's absolutely ridiculous and at this point i am more interested to just play older games with very high framerates or just indie games, which have actually caring developers for them, who don't just serve you an unfinished, rushed and mediocre in quality product and charge you $60-$70 for it...

@OutLanderUSN

8 ай бұрын

FSR and DLSS is also being used at native resolution in place of TAA, I believe.

@Maggpieify

8 ай бұрын

Baldurs gate 3 is amazing, got 200 hours played and still going strong, definitely worth if you see a sale sometime indeed. If you want a good game and dont mind practicing and learning a slightly harder game, Armored Core 6 is the only AAA game that released this year that my pc can play at 4k 160fps. It runs so damn smooth and looks great for what it is, its a niche game thats not for everyone, but a good game worth looking into! :)

@literallyjustsomepurifiedw3205

8 ай бұрын

Hey guy with a r5 5600, 16gb ram and a 6600xt here. Baldur's Gate 3 actually runs at about 80-100+fps high settings at 1440p for me (With fsr quality). If you are planning on getting the game I can guarantee you it'll run like a dream especially on a 6700xt and if you are on 1080p instead of 1440p. I highly recommend the game itself as well, its one of the best I've ever played!

@hornantuutti5157

8 ай бұрын

No need to hold back with baldurs gate 3. I played trough it with steam deck with no fsr.. (yes dips to 20's were part of act 3) but i enjoyed it still. With your rig it runs probably really well. Game of the year imo.

@degeneratepervert6255

8 ай бұрын

DLSS and FSR went from “free frames at the cost of dropping a case of Vaseline in your game” to “we devs need this to achieve 60 FPS at 1080p, sowwy :(“ in like 2 years. Modern game devs are horrible at optimization of any kind.

I find it pretty curious that the stupid prices on desktop components as of late have made gaming laptops kind of reasonable in comparison. For instance, you can find a gaming laptop with an RTX 4070 on sale for about $1200 right now. Building an equivalent desktop (assuming that desktop 4060 is roughly equivalent to laptop 4070) from scratch, including licensed Windows and all required peripherals, would run you about the same sum, give or take $50-100 (I plugged the numbers into PC part picker and came out with a $1100 build, but that's without speakers, keyboard and mouse). Of course, there are valid comments about potential upgradability to be made here, but it's just sort of insane to think that buying a gaming laptop could honestly be a better value option than building a desktop.

@secrates79

8 ай бұрын

I am kinda on the opinion that hardware makers are actually aiming for people to actually buy gaming laptops instead. Think about it. With PC you can build it over the year, you can mix and match stuff on it. If things break or not having enough performance, you can just swap that component with something better. But with gaming laptop in general, you can't do that. You buy a device that are basically all in one pc in a portable form factor, use it for a few years, then throw it away when something breaks or not strong enough anymore.

@Wylabn

8 ай бұрын

Depends on the people, if you're just gaming/productivity then i think a gaming laptop would do. But if you needed to handle heavy application like 3d rendering softwares i think a pc would still be a win in here since its more powerfull than a laptop

@2138Dude

8 ай бұрын

Usually by buying a new PC people mean just a case without peripherals, cuz 99% you already have your old peripherals and you can keep using them. My keyboard is from 2004 and its still working.

@HunterTracks

8 ай бұрын

​@@secrates79Possible, but hasn't Intel skirted around the upgradability "issue" by changing connectors every two generations? I feel like this state of affairs is more of a "happy coincidence" for manufacturers than a result of some longstanding plans.

@HunterTracks

8 ай бұрын

​@@2138DudeI dunno, my brother has a completely different experience, he's actually gone through around 4 keyboards over the last 2 years. Also, the video does originally talk about getting into PC gaming, not updating their old rig, so I assume peripherals should factor into the cost as well.

Being privileged enough to experience high-end gaming, i completely understand peoples frustrations. for 95% of my pc gaming experience, I was on low end hardware barely running games, like 25fps max. Now that I have experienced the flip side for 2 years, it feels amazing. However, the cost is so astronomical, it took me until well into my adult life to experience this. Mind you, I’ve been playing computer games since I was a child. I’m not rich by any means, it cost me an arm and a leg to get this rig, and as much as I am deeply in love with it, I really don’t think paying 850$ for one component is fair to consumers. There’s gotta be a better way to sell these products without sectioning off people with high paywalls. It feels greedy and insidious. They know they have the best, so you gotta pay the best. with nvidias push on dedicated graphics card technologies, they’re even further isolating the market. Suffocating AMD is going to have bad ramifications if this keeps up.

@FantomMisfit

6 ай бұрын

This isn't a privilege thing. It's a skill and knowledge thing. If People stop having kids and buying pot they could afford the things that really matter...Gaming PC. Nothing to do with privilege I made many sacrifices and spent hours of research to get the PC I have (even learned how to build them myself) As a Millenial you Zoomers have no clue how to handle basic finances and think just having more money is going to solve your issues when in reality it doesn't matter how much money you have if you don't know how to use it. Quit wasting money on weed, drugs, and hoes and stop having kids worlds overpopulated as it is. Like I said you gotta make sacrifices to get what you want. I make less than 20k a year and I could afford a good pc no excuse for yall (unless you're still a kid living with your parents than yeah that's gonna be harder)

@treeokk

6 ай бұрын

​@@FantomMisfit you need to get off your high horse. just because you had the ability to make sacrifices and afford a PC, doesnt somehow invalidate other peoples ability to do so. youre also making sweeping generalizations that dont apply to everyone, either. you have no idea why people cant afford their pc's. youre just venting your weirdo millenial bullshit. you act as if people your age arent screwing around haphazardly getting people pregnant and smoking pot, or didnt do so when they were younger lmao. ive met 40 year old men who are less mature than my 20 year old brother, but i digress. i built my own pc just like you, im low income just like you, and i made my dream pc. i did all the research, everything. youre not special. also, youre such a dweeb to sit here and say the things that really matter in life is getting a gaming pc, which is not only funny, but is in fact a dumber purchasing decision than buying an eighth. 2,000 or 30. which one you choosing buddy lmao.

@nexus02496

6 ай бұрын

Same here buddy. Was gaming on laptops and regular desktops with a GPU thrown into them for years until I saved to buy this system. Took time but now I have a PC that will last me 10 years easily.

@nexus02496

6 ай бұрын

@@FantomMisfit lol zoomers. I was born in 1991 and still had to struggle saving for my system. If you werent aware the zoomers arent actually having that many kids. People in the new generations are having less kids, less relationships, and married less. Also less college so they get stuck in worse jobs and have to live with their family into their 20s and later. a lot of that probably comes from being raised by people from gen x who barely had life figured out in the first place before spawning more people and just phoned in their parenting or made their parents do it.

@FantomMisfit

6 ай бұрын

@sigma02496 They are poor but most of their problems is that they're playing a game without knowing the rules or even how to play. They have no financial aptitude whatsoever and bury themselves in debts and then think that there's not enough money when in reality it should be "Wheres did all of the money go?

Because the market looks like it looks, I have decided to replay some games and finally start some from my backlog. It feels great to play in 1440p 120fps no problems again

@hamzaahmad1345

8 ай бұрын

I have build a pc just two weeks ago and i know i will come to a point where i will have to rebuild again. so i am considering this as my good bye pc. i will keep playing old games that run on my pc. few that i liked most are BORDERLANDS 2, FC series etc. etc. i have ryzen 7 5700x cpu with 6800 xt gpu for 1080p gaming and even then i am not sure how many years will i be able to play new games on medium settings with average 45 plus fps. gaming either needs to stop being so demanding or we old timers need to find other hobbies.

@Raikas

7 ай бұрын

@@hamzaahmad1345 how are yo getting 45fps at 1080p with a 6800xt lol that's low asf

@hamzaahmad1345

7 ай бұрын

@@Raikasnot always. i said in specific area in dogtown with most crowd density. most times it stays 60 fps but it makes my blood boil to see that low fps. most times even in dogtown with crowd it reaches 53 or 55 for one or two seconds and then pops back to 60 but it still fell as low as 42 at one point (don't remember when) but that was one time and it still made me mad.

@FantomMisfit

6 ай бұрын

@@Raikas Because people are amatuers that don't know how to tune their settings. I bet if I looked at alot of these peoples settings I'd find so many things wrong.

@sambeezy007

6 ай бұрын

​@@hamzaahmad1345Us old timers (I'm 30) should continue gaming. Just not so much modern gaming. I got a ryzen 5600x 3060 rtx and play at medium setting averaging 120-180 fps. Gen 5-8 is fun to game with

The games industry has been on a runaway growth since forever. There was going to come a time where both devs and gamers can't take it anymore. Devs can't have a normalized 5+ year dev time for a game and make something creative and fun. Gamers aren't willing to pay thousands every 2 years for a PC that can run those games either. It's time to admit that gaming will slow down in its evolutions. Nobody outside of the hardware makers can keep up anymore.

@miljanorevic4760

8 ай бұрын

In my humble opinion, I think that second crash of gaming is slowly but surely approaching, for better or worse.

@brettknibbs9351

8 ай бұрын

they could if the price was acceptable - weve gone to a place where the low spec setting now needs a 4070ti to get an acceptable detail level and frame levels it used to be a £150 card not £900! cpus were £170 not £500 and the graphical fidelity is not high enough for the value of the products there trying to sell us now IMO. Most of the products we are sold are trotally broken when they come out as well, the drivers are crap, the power connectors are failing, people being forced to spend another 60-100 to buy a connector for a gpu that should come with it as part of the unit, cheap fans being used thin copper/aluminium on heatsinks etc bad times have come

@OneAngrehCat

8 ай бұрын

@@miljanorevic4760 Agreed. It's also what every pro I've been talking to is saying. "It's not gonna slow down, so it'll have to crash".

@meganoobbg3387

8 ай бұрын

Right now its just inflating - not enough videogames, that are worth playing on a 2000$ PC are coming out.

@totalermist

8 ай бұрын

There's a vast library of *really* good games dating back 20+ years. There was never a time when you could expect to play AAA games with high/ultra settings at high resolutions on a mid-range or even budget system at high framerates. Never. Where do you suppose ancient memes like "but can it run Crysis?" came from? That game was was released in 2007 btw. Just sit back, relax, ignore the half-baked alpha versions that AAA studios throw at the masses these days and just play fully patched, modded, all-DLC included games from a couple of years ago. Enjoy high frame rates even with low-end systems and save a bunch of cash on both hardware and the games themselves. Games aren't milk, they don't go bad after a couple of years on the shelf.

Welcome to the world us MS flight sim guys have been in for decades. As soon as there is a PC that can run it maxed out they come out with a new sim that PCs can't run maxed out and we can be happy with 30 FPS for a flight sim

@wakaneut

8 ай бұрын

Never played flight sim. I was under the impression they're more CPU depended? Or that's not true anymore?

@KoeiNL

8 ай бұрын

The current flight simulator isn't too bad? When they released it on console they optimised it a lot. It runs at 30 fps on a Series S, which has a low end CPU and a GPU that is pretty underpowered.

@martinmurphy4852

8 ай бұрын

@@KoeiNL That was another issue. They released it on PC first and many of us made some expensive upgrades to run it and it looked great. A few months down the road we all got mandatory updates of the dumbed down version that would run on a console and didn't look so great. Needless to say we were pretty POed. It got resolved but left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. I moved over to Iracing/NASCAR sim and have not looked back. I have probably played my last MSFS. Kind of sad in a way. I started with them back in 2000

I can definitely afford it, but it's ridiculous that we're now at a point where a new mid-range GPU can't properly handle a new game at all any more. Makes me wonder how long my 7900XTX and 7800X3D will actually last me, even if I only want to game at 1440p, since, with 4k, I'd have to upgrade way sooner than that.

@hydraails

6 ай бұрын

this comment is scaring me cus i’m putting together this exact same configuration😟

@EjayT06

6 ай бұрын

@@hydraailswell if you think about it, that is one of the best configurations that you can get at the moment. There’s no need to worry about it, because everyone else will be in the same or an even worse situation than you. This GPU will last years, don’t worry.

Devs have lost their mind with requeriments to only show marginal better visuals.

@curvingfyre6810

8 ай бұрын

Remember, it's not the devs you should be blaming, its the publishers. Publishers decide deadlines and 'target systems'.

Even lowspecgamer just gave up on the idea of 'Low Spec Gaming' Kinda sayin' things about how gaming become rn, just make games so unoptimized that literally you need 4090 to run it. Gone far from Crysis era when it was so taxing on hardware because the graphics so far ahead of it's era.

@XX-_-XX420

8 ай бұрын

for real, and the worst part is all those games that require a 4090 to be barely playable at 1080p, look like horse sh*t.

@Pupixario

7 ай бұрын

bruh, everything is "low spec gaming" in 2023. There is no "high spec". Top of the line PC at the end of 2023 can't max out recent games. It's clown world

@XX-_-XX420

7 ай бұрын

@@Pupixario for real lol.

@TheMaztercom

2 ай бұрын

Crysis literally is unoptimized, is like Alan wake, they have ultra great grapichs like crysis on his time by just shoveling so much sht on the pc that it couldnt run it

PC Gaming definitely doesn't feel the same, if you want to play modern games at high framerates. When I built my first computer, I was fortunate enough to get a 980ti and that lasted me from 2015-2022. Such a beastly card, and after I upgraded to a 3080 for work, I gave the 980ti to a good friend and he can now play games with us. However, the 3080 may be one of the most disappointing PC hardware purchase decisions I have made, because for modern games that I want to play, I still have to reduce settings if I want to play at 1440p. Thank God I mostly play PC games on a CRT which looks awesome at low resolutions. It is exasperating that so many PC games nowadays are launching with performance issues that are still pushing your hardware to the limit, even if they don't look like they should (a rare exception to that would be Alan Wake 2, which looks breathtaking and looks like it will punish your hardware to look that good). Its like every game is a Crysis 1, but without the insane graphical fidelity and freedom of that game, and with the insane CPU limitations. PC Gaming is now no different from Consoles as far as price to performance, if not worse, especially because the consoles can play games at 4k 60fps, and sometimes, even 120fps via VRR. Maybe we are just in a transitional period where Raytracing and reconstruction techniques are going to just be common place, and we just have to accept it, in the moment, it is troubling that PC gaming is now matching every stereotype that people have thrown on it for a while, pretty names and flashy hardware with insane prices, that can confuse the consumer, and really dont provide that much better of an experience if you just want to play some darn games. Because I do 3D modeling as much as I game, I need this powerful hardware, so I'm going to stick with it, but for anyone that just wants to play games, I might just recommend a console.

@CertainlyAstros

8 ай бұрын

i was angry seeing the specs for alan wake 2 but i decided to upgrade my gpu to a 4070 and it really does warrant the spec requirements, game looks insane

@walter274

8 ай бұрын

I got a 3080 also, and i had to stretch a bit to get it and I'm glad i did. It's for 1440 with some rt it's an entry level card. To the other commenter, Alan wake 2 is really nice.

@2138Dude

8 ай бұрын

Use a 1080p monitor and have no issues at all. I can play cyberpunk with ultra on mine

@Pasi123

8 ай бұрын

Console is a good option for people who are just getting in to gaming but not really for people that already have a big Steam game library

@mitsuhh

8 ай бұрын

you don't need a 3080 for 3d modeling

if cyberpunk 2.0 can run at 60fps+ at high settings in 1080p with a 1080ti then those other games are just broken

Well, this looks just like a trap, for one side you have to buy overpriced hardware on PC to get a briefly better experience than console on a new game or just buy a console with a middel tier APU overpriced to play the same game but with lower quality, it looks like they don't care about giving you a good product, they only want you to drain all your money giving their lowest effort.

@tsdobbi

7 ай бұрын

This same argument has been getting made for more than 20 years and PC gaming is still here. I don't know if people here never PC gamed in the late 90's through the aughts. It was far worse. "PC gaming is dead" was a big topic of conversation at the time. Leaps were made in graphics technology with every new release. Your beast mode rig you built last year is already struggling on new titles. Then you had titles like Crysis come out and literally the best system you could put together struggled to run it at decent frames. Then we entered a golden age around 2010-11ish until now. I don't know if developers werent innovating, the optimized better or what, but my last PC build (from 2012) lasted me 8 years and I upgraded my video care ONCE in those 8 years and never did I have to be relegating to a low preset on a game to get decent frames. Now it seems every 3D game getting released is a system killer again.

@jsnotlout3312

7 ай бұрын

@@tsdobbi This is true, But at least back then it was actually HUGE leaps in graphics. Now its just, Want some pretty light rays and some extra shadows?

Hey Vex, wanna add my 5 cents on this topic 3:45. To all my RDNA1 boys, just switch to linux/RADV. You will see massive performance gains, AW2 runs 2x faster on the 5700XT despite lacking mesh shaders. Cyberpunk PL gets about a 30-40% improvement alongside better SSR rendering, also most of the recent unoptimized shitty AAA titles run better.

@crdsalam

8 ай бұрын

I think that linux is less hardware demanding than Windows but supports fewer apps/games.

@SrWorfwood

8 ай бұрын

@@crdsalam The only things you have to worry about on Linux these days is Adobe which has alternatives (most Windows only apps do), or online games with rootkits I mean anticheats that don't work not because they can't but because the devs are evil assholes.

@shlapmaster2485

8 ай бұрын

@@crdsalam Actually linux uses RDNA1 a lot better than AMD's win drivers.

@zoeyaaahmed203

8 ай бұрын

AMD linux drivers are great for gaming and being included in the kernel, making them plug and play, is great, can confirm.

Anyone else remember the not so far back days when £600 would get you an enthusiast card that would last you near on a decade?

@papichuckle

8 ай бұрын

Now it's £2000 and you're lucky to get 3 years out of it

@Sercil00

8 ай бұрын

Yeah. I used to think 300 bucks was pretty bonkers and it was about the most I've ever spent on a card. Now, that's practically considered cheap and budget.

@papichuckle

8 ай бұрын

@Sercil00 it's like they are giving free advertising for consoles at this point. Spend about £450 or £500 and it last you 8 years and you will get the more optimised version of the game ports The pc manufacturers and the community that defend this don't help themselves very much

@furynotes

8 ай бұрын

That's the stagnated decade of the 2010s

@curvingfyre6810

8 ай бұрын

@@furynotes And yet it is now remembered super fondly as a golden age of gaming and hardware. Because change for the sake of change IS BAD. Doesn't fucking matter if modern games are good, the average gamer has a gtx 1650 and something like a 6th gen i5. They CANNOT play current games, and in a few years they won't even be allowed to run modern WINDOWS. You could get stunning photorealistic graphics out of a 1650 - hell, you could run half life alyx on a 1650! you do NOT need higher graphical fidelity than that to tell a good story or make engaging gameplay! Imagine, a future of gaming where nothing looks worse than half life alyx, but nothing looks significantly more realistic either. Is that a tragedy? Fuck no, that's the fucking gravy train! You can use your current GPU FOREVER to play some of the best looking games ever made at high refresh rates. I've seen footage of alan wake 2, and that shit looks boring, flat, and like it could have been released 5 fucking years ago. There is NO. FUCKING. POINT.

Can't wait to see this exact video again tomorrow.

I looked at the GTX 1080ti benchmark, It performs better than an RTX 3060 WTF

@urulooke

6 ай бұрын

That's expected, because the baseline is something like this: 1080 ~ 2070 ~ 3060 ~ 4050 ... ~ 5030 ? So 1080 is about the same as 3060 and 1080 Ti is about the same as 3060 Ti.

Ive slowly upgraded my PC from a ryzen 1700>3600>5800x3d, rx480 8gb>rx5700>rx 7800xt, now on 4x8gb of 3200 cl14. Good Case/Cooler and GOLD 650w PSU still holding together. I intend to see what zen5x3d looks like before I even think of a new platform upgrade.

@DevouringKing

8 ай бұрын

I upgraded from ryzen 2600>5800X3D and rx470>RX6700. Mainboard and rest stayed the same. So i just spended like 600 bucks in 5 years. You dont need to upgrade so often. Use your hardware longer. Better for the enviorment.

@Th3Prison3r

8 ай бұрын

@@DevouringKing better for the environment..? pretty ignorant

@noobbotgaming2173

8 ай бұрын

​​@@DevouringKingThat's why you don't buy bad hardware to begin with. Buy good hardware that will last a long time. The RX 470/480 was not a good card. Terrible performance even in 2016. I'm glad you have a RX 6700 (non-XT) and a Ryzen 7 58003DX. You're set for a while.

I've personally not been too limited by my current 3070 and 5800x. But then, most the 'new releases' I've looked at and gone 'not interested' for varying reasons. I think the only 'at launch' new AAA games I've bought this year have been RE4remake (which ran damn near perfect because IDGAF about RT), Remnant 2 (which forced DLSS for maintaining 60fps, but wasn't too bad on performance for me, aside from that) and EA's WRC, which runs native 1440p @ above 60fps once the shader compilation stutter is out of the equation. Oh, and Armored Core 6, although I honestly view that as more akin to a AA game not a AAA one, and it runs perfectly fine native 1440p with everything except RT on highest settings. I have picked up some other games that launched this year, but they were either indie, or like 6 months post launch when bugfix patches solved the launch performance issues. Next year may well be a totally different ball of wax, unfortunately. It's looking like Stalker 2 and Dragon's Dogma 2 will both be coming out that year and I'm GOING to pick up both of those at launch. I'm a little worried I'll have to lean on DLSS and lower settings beyond the norm for them (my normal settings mix is high on nearly everything with medium sprinkled in on certain settings). Unfortunately, my upgrade path is very limited. I'd need not just a new GPU, but a new mobo, RAM, CPU and I'd almost certainly be picking up a new cooler as well. Even if I were to start saving for it now, I don't know that I'd be able to put enough away to swing it. If I'm lucky, my cpu sill still maintain for a few more years, but with the recent focusing of more and more games on more threaded approaches, I'm a little worried that my 5800x might wind up a little too slow. If I'm going to have to replace the whole thing, I'd rather do it all at once, ya know? That way I can make sure there are upgrade paths for everything. I also fully intend on going with an AMD gpu for my next gpu, regardless. Nvidia is leaning way too much on shortcut tech and power flooding to keep their performance crown, all while charging frankly obscene prices for what you are getting. The power flooding issue has been showcased to be capable of outright killing cards as well, which is why I targeted the 3070 instead of the 3080, 3080ti, or 3090, even though I had the funds to grab one of those at the time I picked up my 3070. AMD's pricing seems to be a bit more reasonable, and the actual performance and power util for what you are paying seems a lot more sane, so long as you don't care about raytracing everything. There'd have to be some kind of monumental screwup from AMD, massive shift from intel, or a complete rework of Nvidia's whole approach for me to not go for AMD next upgrade cycle. Intel isn't even in consideration for me, as far as CPU upgrades go, as they are doing the same power flooding uselessness that NVIDIA is doing in the GPU market. Now, if I had to rely on my prior 2060S/3700x this would be a whole different conversation, because I'd be seeking an immediate upgrade.

I build my first ever PC 3 weeks ago. before that for the last 10 years I only had a laptop (not a gaming one). I was looking for something around $1k-$1.2k and after a lot of research and help including from your videos (Thank you) I ended up with Ryzen 7600 and RX 6700 XT and the total was just shy of $1200, although I also had to buy the monitor, desk and chair as added costs. I've seen that I could have got a better GPU with the same price but I could not line the deals. Honestly for my needs, 6700 XT is more than adequate and it performed just as I expected in 1440p. My only regret was the monitor. Right now I'm seeing deals for better models for the same price. I'm hoping I never have to upgrade any part for the future except the gpu which I can afford in a year if I needed to.

@lartonki

7 ай бұрын

Your timing was pretty bad, now when is black week, black friday cyber monday, christmas sale now can save big money. Like my brother did buy 1300€ monitor now same monitor is on sale at 800€

@sambeezy007

6 ай бұрын

Not bad. I built my first PC too for around $1,100. I got a Ryzen 5600x with a 3060 RTX. I mostly got it for Gen 5 - 8 gaming. For this new gen...there arent that many out for me to pull the trigger on

Welcome to the early 00's again 😂

Develepors should just optimize there games. We are at a point where better looks demand too much fps. I switch to Gefoce Now so i dont have to bother about upgrading.

@floriank5675

8 ай бұрын

it will probably get better in the future but with new game engines like unreal engine 5, or more features in older engines, make it very time consuming for developers to properly optimize. It sucks hard of course, but developers didn't get more lazy or greedy or anything like that

@meganoobbg3387

8 ай бұрын

They won't - just like the car industry, they're too oriented on selling stuff to rich people, rather than the masses.

@DDD-xx4mg

8 ай бұрын

GeForce Now is trash. I’ve tried it. If you can’t afford decent hardware get a console

@curvingfyre6810

8 ай бұрын

Remember, it's not the devs you should be blaming, its the publishers. Publishers decide deadlines and 'target systems'.

@meganoobbg3387

8 ай бұрын

@@DDD-xx4mg Why? Sometimes devs like CDPR make barely optimized games for PC, and directly port them for consoles without making a special version - and you end up with the same predicament. Not to mention current gen consoles have barely any games to play, compared to previous gens.

This moment in time has to be one of the worst for gamers maybe even worse the GPU shortage cause at least we knew things would get better 😅. I jst built my new 7900xtx pc and upgraded my monitor to a 4k monitor cause all the previous games well optimized for 4k and I even forgot about far/dlss but now these new games make it seem like this pc will be irrelevant in 2 years 😅 I didn't think games more intensive then cyberpunk 2 would come out so quick. What's even the point of all these games releasing if only a few of the population of pc players can play it what are these guys thinking.

@bodasactra

7 ай бұрын

They have been waiting to spring this dev side scam. They can obsolete the entire current GPU stack anytime they want from the dev end with Disney Pixar level requirements. It gets worse, they plan to go RT only this year and phase out rasterization altogether. Current GPUs were not designed for that. Welcome to the new two year upgrade cycle at outrageous prices. It will crash the market and self correct in time. Sad we have to suffer another crash to get to normal.

Honestly it depends on what games you play too. I built a pair of systems with i3 - 10400 with rx 6600 gpus and my kids dont have an issue but they play roblox and minecraft mostly. Even I don't play AAAs too much. The most demanding games I play is FFXV but FXVI might give me a struggle on my 3070

@kandym3478

8 ай бұрын

I'm building right now but I still find lots of value in AM4. I know it's dead but by upgrading PCs around my house I can hand down CPUs. I just built my server on an R9 5900X. It's not the latest gen but it's performing way better than my dual xeon system I had before. Also I am giving my sons old 3200g a send off by using it for my pfsense router.

i feel like the people playing tripple A games usually have a job and can put in a $1200 or so, but is terrible that everything is so expensive

@ohamatchhams

8 ай бұрын

More like shitty optimizations, many of these devs thinks that people have RTX 4090 or RTX 4080 and changing graphics cards to the latest Nvidia cards every 1-2 years Meanwhile that even Consoles are struggling with optimization, it's ironic that it's often happens with Western AAA gaming scenes in recent 4-6 years, compare that to how Japanese game devs are adapting better into PC optimization unless it's Koei Tecmo's utterly terrible console to PC ports Heck even the best of CN gacha games have way better optimizations and it's kinda questionable recently either

@AR-bj5et

8 ай бұрын

Not so much about not being able to afford it, it’s just egregious for the money. $1,000 isn’t a small amount of money, spending that much just to play games is a big hit, especially compared to other outgoings. Everything costs a lot nowadays, it feels really hard to justify especially with new releases already making the latest hardware feel outdated.

@TheCocomunges

8 ай бұрын

Wtf type of opinion is this? Lmao. When i was 12 years old i played AAA games. Im 23 and still play AAA. If anything ive heard the opposite, that older people prefer indie games rather than AAA.

@Maggpieify

8 ай бұрын

Heh you gotta have a job in order to be able to afford all of the macrotransactions in AAA games as well so makes sense to filter out the filthy poors! xD

@KnightofAges

8 ай бұрын

Correction: "Younger men with a job and disposable income". The second they marry, it's bye bye to that PC gaming, regardless of the money they make. Wife simply will not allow them to spend 2,000+ on a PC, even if they're lawyers or bankers that rake in six figures (or more).

The way I think about it, and put my self off even thinking about upgrading, is are these new games that amazing that I want to spend thousands? If no then why bother. I'll just keep playing older games and games with reasonable system requirements until either prices become more affordable or new games actually GET GUD. This would also rely on me getting rich too though so unlikely... The only high end "next gen" title I have enjoyed so far is a plague tale. Nothing else has been worth suffering through the low frame rates. Oh and the dead space remake was pretty dope too I guess.

@aaronogden9900

8 ай бұрын

Yep. They can sit on my wish list for a few years and I'll buy them on sale once I upgrade. The PC has thousands of games so no rush to play new games that don't run well unless you have a PC that costs more than a decent car.

@emperorcaligula5786

8 ай бұрын

@aaronogden9900 Funny you should say decent car, considering that a decent car in my area costs $50,000 to $60,000 brand new. The PC and gaming industry in general is just following the same bullshit price gouging trends every other industry had since COVID. Even the local landlord is price gauging now, charging the equivalent of a used car in monthly rent for a tiny little, rat infested broom closet. The world's fucked right now, not just PC gaming. Hell, I make $50,000 a year, middle-income, and I am living with my parents, when no less than a decade or two prior that gave a person a house, a car, and enough disposable income to enjoy their hobbies. It's ridiculous.

@-Burb

6 ай бұрын

@@emperorcaligula5786You’d only be making 30k two decades ago.

@emperorcaligula5786

5 ай бұрын

@@-Burb Adjusted for inflation, that 30k is eighty grand now. If wages kept up with inflation, fifty grand would be minimum wage or damn near close.

@-Burb

4 ай бұрын

@@emperorcaligula5786 Not sure what math you're doing but $30000 in 2004 is only $48000-49000 today adjusted for inflation. That's why I said you'd be making about $30k 2 decades ago, if you're making 50k now.

Each time new games begin to use the newer version of DirectX from MS we've always huge jump in the requirements on these ones but this time, this is far worst than last we were passing from DX11 to DX12. And now with DX12 Ultimate that's too much for too much people due to luxury prices we are seeing since the shortage on hardware and counting too the living cost nowadays.

@deathrager2404

5 ай бұрын

and what is even worse, the games dont even need a newer version of directx..... that is just a tactic to steer everyone into buying newer hardware. and considering everyone does, they will repeat this same tactic in a few years. and why not? braindead gamers keep upgrading anyway. i dont even buy new hardware anymore unless its more hard drives. gaming is simply not worth ti anymore.

I feel like it's all in what you expect to play. Like me personally, I play stuff like Valheim, Dusk, No Man's Sky, and mainly Pokemmo(mostly Pokemmo lol). My r5 3600 rx6600 build is just fine for all that, even under Arch Linux. Point is, you can build a cheaper PC if you don't expect or want to play any of these incredibly demanding games.

@shiorinyan

8 ай бұрын

Yee, and thankfully, there is myriad of good games, that run on slower hardware. Like, me being with 1070Ti, on Linux, as long as I avoid DX12 games, I can run most things, which is... good enough. Even on potato CPU that is i5-3450.

I built my first PC last month with RX 7600 and I don't usually play these latest AAA extreme graphics games so its running absolutely awesome on my new 1440p monitor.

@bustergundo516

7 ай бұрын

How much was it?

@kingshuksardar2236

7 ай бұрын

@@bustergundo516 ₹70000 equivalent to $840 but that's higher than you'd expect because here taxes are added to the usual selling price in America.

Prior to say 2008 the norm was that a computer would not survive 5 years. The due to the nods stagated so did the whole pc market. Now when we are out of node stagnation the speed of the gpu is ramping up again, but nvidia and amd is scalping them . This is not the first time there been load of scalping. Typically it eases of over a period of 2-3 years. I would say we are like 8-12 month into it easing of. My tip is. Aim of having your gpu switched out in 2 years. For cpu there is loads of head room and ram and ssd isn't really that expensive.

@Pasi123

8 ай бұрын

New GPU generations are released every 2 years so switching out your GPU in 2 years would be a single generation upgrade. It doesn't help that most RTX 40 series cards are barely faster than RTX 30 series cards. RTX 50 series is expected to release in 2025

@matsv201

8 ай бұрын

@@Pasi123 That is not quite true. If we check how much powerfull the GPU is compare to the last gen (i put the titan as a -90 card). then the 1070 and 1080 is 56 and 52% faster than the 9 series. The 2070, 2080 and Titan RTX is 28, 27 and 24% faster than the 10 series card. The 30 series is 53, 70 and 50% faster than the 20 series, and the 40 series is 30, 36 and 44% faster than the 30 series. The avrage uplift is typically slightly below 50% but the 20 had a very poor uplift making the uplift of the 30 series considerably higher. 37% faster on average for the 40 series to the 30 series is really fairly typical. The real problem is the unrealistic price. The uplift from the 700 series to the 900 series was 36% (there was no 800 series). I don´t have data for the 600 series If i sum up all the uplift from 7 series to 40 series it average out on 42,5%

With such requirements games provide no new experience. There are no photorealistic graphics, no accurate physics, no building destruction, no realictic wounds or body dismemberment, no AI-driven characters to talk to... Games are still like walking simulators and shooting gallery simulators. Why they are so demanding? Probably, developers become more and more stupid.

Its true I'm on a old pc from 2016 with a 1050 and i7-7700. I cant play the latest games (to be expected) but I can at least play multiplayer games or indie games with friends or by myself and I also can play old games from way back when, I'm happy don't get me wrong but I really cant afford to upgrade due to irl things, and I want to but cant even afford the budget options as they are very tight as is. Budget gaming keeps going up in price. Iv had this pc for 7 years when i got it back in 2016, surprised its still going tbh but that wont last forever as i feel it slowly getting ready to clock out.

I was looking at what the cheapest PC I would feel good about building was a couple months ago and came up with the $800ish price... Buying an AM4 5600 and one one of the budget AMD GPUs like an RX 6700 or something like that. Now I still feel like there are really heavy sloppy games today that think the solution to running a game well should just be upscaling it from 540p or something that like the PS3 used to do.

I bought rtx 2080ti in the 2nd hand market and I could never be happier considering I also do Image generation and text generation. Also, please play 1080p 22inch. You dont need $1000 gpus.

@lauri9061

8 ай бұрын

I could not go back to a small screen (and a lower res than 2k) because everything looks blurry and crap compared to it

@thishallakshan7410

8 ай бұрын

@@lauri9061 I feel you man once you experience 1440p you cant go back to 1080p

@blackbeans8096

8 ай бұрын

@@lauri9061 ppi of a 22inch 1080p is just about the same as a 27inch 1440p

@lauri9061

7 ай бұрын

@@blackbeans8096 Yes but I have to be so close to the small screen. And I like the larger fov I get with my 21:9. Absolutely hate using my laptop bc of the small screen. Gaming is annoying and productivity is worse than with the bigger screen

*BEST STARTER PC FOR 350$:* -Ryzen 5 2600X (42$ USED) -16GB DDR4 (35$) -512GB NVME SSD (25$) -B450M (60$) -Gamemax RPG Rampage 600w Bronze PSU (40$) -Tecware Forge M2 Case (45$) -5700XT, RTX 2060, 5600XT, or any GPU you can find used for around 100$ TOTAL: 347$ B450M Means you can upgrade to Ryzen 5th gen later down the line, and the PSU is good enough to support better GPUs when you've got enough cash to upgrade. PC GAMING DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXPENSIVE!

I'm upgrading right now because the old i7-2700k w/ 16gb ram just isn't cutting it anymore. Having said that, I did get 12 years of service out of it and it has held up remarkably well in the 1080p department. My 1080 ti is still going relatively strong at 1080p but as you said new games like Alan Wake 2 are quickly making this card completely obsolete by not supporting it at all. My hope is my next system will give me a similar lifespan but who knows. I'm willing to put up good money for a system that will last 12 years with the only upgrade being the gpu, but I'm worried the industry has other plans by failing to optimize games for last gen hardware like Alan Wake 2 has done requiring mesh shaders.

@Gazzoosethe1

8 ай бұрын

Go for it. See ya in 2 years where you have to upgrade again

I still keep my 9900kf and my 1080ti, only 2 things I upgraded are the storage (from 500gb to 2tb) and ram (from 16gb to 64gb)

@suqmadique9762

8 ай бұрын

64 gb ram? what would you even use it for?

@that_other_russki

8 ай бұрын

@@suqmadique9762 I got them for cheap (same price as for 32GB)

Don't blame the PC blame the game. The devs are cramming too much un needed crap into these new titles, it's like they are trying the mobile strategy. If you don't have the new tech you're missing out.

You guys can optimize alot of the games. Just because at the very high preset, you dont get 60 FPS...you can optimize out ambient occlusion, high shadow maps, draw distance, effects to medium, post processing to medium and boom 85 fps+.

Love this video. I'm building my first PC since 2015, and I don't think that there's one new part in it. Maybe the WiFi card. And it's on the x99 platform - but that's because I can leverage an exploit on Xeon v3 processors that allows me to unlock all-core turbo on the 3.8GHz 18-core e5-2699 CPUs that are very good for video rendering. But it's STILL going to cost about $1275 in total. Oh yeah, and that includes $400 I paid for a used (like new) RTX 3080 FE, which apparently only has barely enough VRAM. Now I guess I've gotta pull a bank job to get a used 3080 Ti...

Ever since i saw cuberpunks path tracing then starfield,my hopes for optimised or easy to run games went out the window n it kinda seems like i was right time to go find something easy to run

@FantomMisfit

6 ай бұрын

You don't have to use Path tracing or even just RT in general though... RT is for people that have too much FPS and have nothing else to dump it into. Starfield is a mess though I'll agree with you

@andrewmutavi590

6 ай бұрын

@@FantomMisfit all in all,a sad state of affairs

*Just one issue with the build you put together with the RX 6700XT as someone who has owned one for a year and a half now I would NOT use it with any CPU below that of a 5800X, I started with the R7 5700X and it bottle necked the card even though it was running ok. When I "side-graded" to the 5800X 3D I truly got the full potential out of my RX 6700XT which I use at 1440p 144hz, for competitive titles like Apex, CSGO, OW, Rocket League I easily hit 144 or higher at max settings. For AAA titles like BF2042 (high preset) I average around 95-100fps. other AAA titles it's usually 75+fps like Cyberpunk and The Last Of us Part I.*

@cnk-fn3nr

6 ай бұрын

Uh no let's not spread misinformation, the 5700x or even the 5600 do not bottleneck the 6700xt in any reasonable way. Don't induce panick into people and make them pressured to upgrade.

I ended up almost exactly at the 1200 dollar build you quoted unintentionally (exchanged the motherboard for a cheaper gigabyte and upped to a 2TB gen 4 nvme). I'm super happy with it but like it was clear it was the baseline of what i'd accept for at least 3 years to come. its easy for me to feel like I was getting more value of the money i was putting in on the last build initially.

I've gotta say, hardware costs are obscene. Only reason I even have a gaming PC is due to my recent stroke and partial paralysis, KBM is barely feasible for me to use and controllers on a console simply are not usable for me - I get muscle cramps and lots of hand pain. The build I threw together... CPU - R7 5700X CPU Cooler - AMD Wraith Prism RAM - 64GB (4 x 16gb) 3600mhz CL18 Corsair Vengeance GPU - RX 6650 XT (Asus Dual OC) MOBO - Asus ROG Strix B550-A Gaming SSD - Crucial P5 Plus 2tb (Primary Drive), Crucial P3 2tb (Mass Storage Drive) PSU - MSI A850GF 850W Gold Rated Case - Fractal Meshify 2 Lite Screen - MSI MAG342CQPV 100hz 3440 x 1440 Curved VA Peripherals - SteelSeries Rival 5, Razer Blackshark V2 X, Nuphy Air 75 (Standard keycaps, Brown Gateron switches) See, that's the thing with builds. They look reasonable on paper, and then you get into all the miscellaneous associated costs and the price balloons outta control. I didn't even mention getting a desk and chair (charity shops are your friend on a tight budget, and office surplus shops too), or getting proper fiber internet installed (government scheme, so I saved money and it still costs a bomb). On top of that, the first problem I ran into? VRAM. Got nowhere near enough of the stuff. Card's fine in Cyberpunk, but it struggles like hell in Darktide and Resident Evil 4 Remake. Even taking inflation into account, PC building (the cheapest way to get a PC, supposedly) is unreasonably expensive and it doesn't even net you 1080p low 60fps in some new titles - the value proposition is atrocious. By the way, for those curious - I chose the 5700X and 64gb of RAM for a few reasons - one was the power efficiency compared to the 5800X and 5800X3D, another was the core count and performance over a 5600 or 5600X. I value RPCS3 emulation really highly, so more cores and threads are valuable to me. I also want to record, edit and upload KZread videos - since the stroke I can't work anymore even with extensive physical therapy, I want to keep occupied doing something at least. Hence the need for more cores and threads on a budget.

I built my first PC in 1995. Now just isn't a great time to be building a new PC. There are some great bargains on the used market if you need something to get you by. I have a 2070S in my main PC and it is still working just fine for me. Only new releases I've played this year are Mirage and Motorfest (what an awful mess). I will also probably try Starfield because I got a free month of Game Pass. I already know I can get a barely playable experience at 1440p and that's fine for a game I'm playing for free. There aren't any games that are really worth upgrading for and is a big part of the problem. I also have a problem with upgrading my hardware just because the devs have gotten lazy. I have a massive back catalog of games that could keep me busy for the next decade while the industry sorts itself out. Even if it weren't for the greedy GPU manufacturers and incompetent game devs, this would still be a lousy time to spend a lot on a gaming PC because advancements in technology over the next few years will make new hardware obsolete fast. It isn't like in the 2010s where you could justify spending $3k on a gaming PC because it was going to last for 7 years.

It's been ages since i have purchased any modern games but last night i decided to buy RoboCop Rogue City because I'm a big RoboCop Fan. I immediately refunded it after finishing the first mission because it ran like crap, if i turn off fsr it ran at 40 fps with a lot of drops into the 20s at 1080p maxed out and it doesn't even look that good and it ran at 80 fps on fsr quality but it made my eyes bleed because it was so ugly looking. 6600xt 32gb 3600mhz ram Ryzen 5600x.

@kingcaesar3693

8 ай бұрын

that games AA not AAA. It runs fine on my 3060ti and 5600x, and I've only got 16gb of ram.

So had a 3900x upgraded to the 5800x3d and upgraded from 2080ti to 7900xtx plan on skipping am5 all together and the 8000 series hopefully this hardware is good enough to last the next 4 years like my 2019 build did kinda feel bad from people that are newbuilders

Hey Vex! You did a great job here. I just think that people must stay chill with the idea that games are more and more heavy on computers. Easier games are also coming and you can see these higher end games like experiments to try new tools, new tehnologies. In my case I play a mixture of old and new games. I try to understand the philosophy of old games better and how they succeded to bring such iconic games for cheaper pc s. In the past developers relied on the artistic part, on the story and I think this is the key to succes to revive gaming in his integrity. Bigger game studio took on a task they didn't have to. They are not making masterpiece movies, they create stories that should charm people. Games should be thought of with pencil in hand and UE5 hidden. I think the escape will come from private programmers, who have a passion for this field and who have a lot of creativity on top of that. we live in a time when everyone identifies as something other than what they are. game programmers think they are directors, they have a little more and go out with the cameras on the field to make the scenes seem more real.

Some people will start switching back to consoles because console releases although don’t look as good on screen will be optimized better, and the prices are better for consoles . I really wanted to play the new Ark as well like your friend unfortunately rtx2070 strix and a i7 9700k probably won’t cut it.

@eclipse369.

7 ай бұрын

prices are not better for consoles practically every game is max price and consoles rarely ever see any good sales you cant manipulate or mod anything

I think it was about a year ago that I commented on this channel that my 6800XT would last me a few more generations. Turns out i was wrong. Well kinda, my monitor is 1440p but I could play at 1080 if needed. And im not above turning settings down. BUT, it sounds like next year will be the year I play some of my back logged games in my librarys.

@stenspeed1

8 ай бұрын

Most graphic settings are pointless ,Visually no difference buy huge preformats lost

@project_pothi

8 ай бұрын

well if you keep following vex you should stop pc gaming, dude is the epitome of misinformation dont get fooled just so he can get some views come on THINK.

Actually, Daniel Owen made the exercise of "building" a PC for around $500. It had so many compromises that his recommendation was just to get a console. The thing with consoles is that whatever money you save on hardware, you'll end up wasting it on subscription services, so the point basically becomes moot. So in a sense, if you're invested in gaming as a hobby, you need to pick your poison and decide which platform are you most comfortable with splurging your money. Then again, the Covid lockdown was over fairly recently and prices are creeping up everywhere. People need to foot their bills and spend wisely on their daily necessities, of which gaming isn't one of them.

I can tell you're somewhat familiar yet new with computers and how they operate, good to see more people diving into how they work. When it comes to hardware a lot is dependent on manufacturer (In this case with nVidia their 30 series and 40 series are exactly the same outside of software availability) and when running games a lot is dependent on game optimization. ARK is a highly unoptimized game alongside PUBG. If ARK was optimized by the devs better, it should run on most mid-ranged hardware rather easily, but most of the software is being bruteforced to work from the raw power of upper end hardware.

I feel like developers want too much from the hardware. But I also feel like that there is more to this story Usually, the developement of the game takes a bunch of time and they will have to plan for the upcoming hardware, sometimes 6 years in advance. But the GPU market seems to have become anti-competitive. Nvidia sets prices that are way too high and AMD follows. With the result of the only competition being last gen. That leads to the issues we have of GPUs being too weak for the games. It is really funny, how they even managed to turn the unfavourable condition for themselves into a rope for us. They have had way too many last-gen GPUs but managed to overprice the new gen, keeping value for their old stock. The 6800 XT launched for 650$ and was sold for 500$ until supply dried up since the recent launch, being now replaced by the 7800 XT at the same price, while I still have in mind that the 970 had the performance of a 780 Ti for half the price. Where is that? The 6800 XT was the 780 Ti in that regard, but the 7800 XT had the same performance instead of a hypothetical 7700 like back then. Same goes for the 3080, where the replacing 4070 only costs 100$ less than the card it was replacing in performance, instead of 350$ less. There is not only stagnation in VRAM but also stagnation in performance. And the effect of the stagnation should be that the requirements should slow down, resulting in more long-term value for the older cards. That does not happen though. Instead, now everyone is too poor to play except for the rich people, making PC gaming the luxury of the rich instead of a cool way to play. And everyone will suffer. It might get better though, as developers adjust for the slowdown in pace and maybe concentrate more on other aspects than graphics. But it is rough right now.

Ive been building systems for a very long time now, and this thing seems to be somewhat cyclical. Kinda like how consoles and PCs keep toppling eachother in price to performance ratios. Anyway, the last time I remember low end and mid range components being this insufficiant was probably around the time when stuff like doom 3, FEAR, and crysis was starting to come out. People would spend all their money getting systems that would barely run their games, and have their entire system be obsolete 1-2 years later. In retrospect I think we just came out of a a "golden age" of computer hardware, and unless the hardware manufacturers and game devs artificially hold us back I like to think we are going to get a new golden age sooner or later again. Even though its pretty rough right now.

@eclipse369.

7 ай бұрын

meanwhile my fx 4300 has been playing every game i wanted it to play since 2016 Only now have i came across a few games i just cant play do to my potato cpu

@kvernesdotten

7 ай бұрын

@@eclipse369. To some degree sure, but at the same time Im thinking that has to be alot of coincidence with the games you are playing too though? For instance minecraft java has been unplayable oncpus with weaker single threaded performance for years at this point, GTA 5 was notorious for burning up processors for years after its 2013 launch etc

@eclipse369.

7 ай бұрын

@@kvernesdotten gtav conan exiles ark the forest 7d2d witcher 3 fallout 4 dayz grounded nms eso back4blood mgsv subnautica vermintide 2 stuff like that i did upgrade to 1050ti, 16gb ram, and recently 2tb ssd originally a $400 prebuilt cyberpower pc from 2016 when my 2002 self built pc finally had to be retired

@kvernesdotten

7 ай бұрын

@@eclipse369. I see. I have a rig here that used to be my daily driver for years, has a i7 7700k and a 1070ti in it. It will run those games, but its pretty noticable that its chugging along. If you got a FX4300 (from 2012?) to run those all of those in playable states at decent resolutions, id say thats damn impressive!

@eclipse369.

7 ай бұрын

some mid but mostly highish gfx settings with 45-60fps apparently the fx4300 is a very good cpu for its time those games were most intensive i could think of 7d2d i remember took a few years waiting on them to optimize it, once they did it plays perfect with good settings subnautica also works miles better since they released it thinking about just upgrading the cpu with higher/est model fx that will fit my ancient mobo and see how much longer that will make this pc last

It sucks because even the old tricks, like buying a used office pc no longer work. Like the old 4th gen Intels are trash now and people selling the 8th and 9th gen Intel office pcs have learned we're buying them. So instead of outright buying one for $150-$200 or less, now most of them go up for auction and for some reason people are paying over $300 to get one in the end. Insanity, might as well buy new parts then. Unless you got $600-$700, you might as well just get a Series S or get a Steamdeck and play indies and older games, because that's all a $500 pc can do. A Series S beats a $500 PC now.

I agree that prices these past couple of years are out of control, but they are slowly getting a little better. Currently, I am considering a build for a new pc and I am likely going with the AM4 platform( r5 5500) I normally wait a long time to do a new build, I am at the moment using a laptop with an i7 7k series cpu and 1050ti gpu and I have a desktop running a i5 4460 and a 1050ti. I don't personally need the newest gen parts as I don't care about running games at the highest graphics settings and that has helped me save boatloads of money over the years(been building my own pc since mid 90's) and I think that is something that most people getting into pc gaming needs to understand. I at least have a short upgrade path to a r7 chip for AM4 platform if I need a boost in performance in the near future and I can easily upgrade both the ram and gpu for more performance as well. It won't get me top tier graphics performance but it will allow me to play the games I want( also something that is a learned skill, know what games you like to play and what kind of system is needed to play said games). I do think that those who have been a part of pc gaming and know how systems work should pass along this valuable information to others who are interested in getting into pc gaming because there is nothing worse than overspending on parts and realizing too late that you aren't even utilizing all that power for what you are doing with it. It can be very daunting for someone new to the pc world, I have helped more than a few people with new builds and I aways sit down and explain as much as I can about it so they can do what they want and not have buyers remorse after spending $1500 for a machine when they could have played all the games they enjoy with sometjing that could have been build for $500.

new games come with integrated bitcoin miner, or at least how it looks like. They aren't even "that" much better looking for 10x performance demand

bro alan wake 2 looks unbelievably good . the evolution that happened in graphics in recent few years is shocking. this money is kinda worth it to see that miracle in the screen

@bryanc7094

7 ай бұрын

Sheep

@urulooke

6 ай бұрын

It looks good, so I just watch 10 minutes this graphics on youtube and never buy this game or an overpriced PC for it. Then I go play other better games that run well on my mid-range gaming laptop.

Just go all out every like 5-7 years. Back in 2017 I bought a i7-7700 with a 1070 and been rocking it ever since. Probably gonna drop a nice $1500 CAD on my next build

Im glad i specd out my rig how i did but even im feeling it i7-12700k 3080ti 16gb ddr4 back in q1 of 2022 holds up at 2560x1440 and 3440x1440 really well

I recently built a full amd pc with a 7900xtx/7800x3d combo in Europe. The main reason was because I was upgrading from a gtx970/4790k that I had since around 2015, so it was long overdue. Was planning to upgrade just before the pandemic hit and we all know the stories of the nvidia 4000 series launch, scalpers and crypto bs. I know the new pc is not exactly a budget build, but I swore to myself I wasn't going to pay more than msrp and finally the day came. I think now is not the worst time to build a pc all things considered. It just takes patience I guess.

@meowmeowcat99

8 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t say it’s necessarily just scalpers though… the price of GPUs like 4080/4090 are absolutely disgusting at MSRP. Did the math and conversions when I was looking at upgrading to 4090 (from 980 in 2014) and it’s like, in Canadian dollars todays money the 980 was 770 dollars before tax, compared to 4090s being like 2300+ dollars for the most part with some outliers. Even AMDs top end offerings run in prices between 4080 and 4090 pricing, the MSRP now is horrible. If only scalpers and crypto bros never bought up all the GPUs over the last couple generations (20X0/30X0 series) we wouldn’t see nearly as big of a price spike.

@BongoNr9

8 ай бұрын

I think the problem is graphics cards are not only for gaming anymore and there's not much we can do about that. Known technology finding a new purpose. @@meowmeowcat99

Honestly, I use a PC, because I use for work and not only games, but if you just wanna game, just go with consoles, it's cheaper, the graphics are essentially the same, it doesn't lose a lot of value after the new generation, so you can always sale again in case you don't want anymore. It's just a better deal.

@rogoznicafc9672

8 ай бұрын

yeah but you cant pirate with the console so is it really cheaper?

@autumn6994

8 ай бұрын

but console games are generally more expensive and you have to pay for multiplayer which is INSANE to me, only thing i like about consoles is that you can sell your games, that is pretty nice but they are trying to stop even that with digital only consoles without the optical drives idk i think that pc is the superior platform even if you have to spend a little more to get the same performance

@drunkhusband6257

8 ай бұрын

The graphics are nowhere near the same.

@LeonardoSantos-fy2ki

8 ай бұрын

Nah... the PC game library is endless and on consoles you will be limited to current games and just a few older games.

i just love when someone made a video from a casual gamer perspective, the market is kinda crazy right now. i think i'll wait til the prices went down because if we buy it at this price point, they won't put the prices down because they will think that we gamers could afford those expensive parts. i'm running rx 6800 with ryzen 7 5700x which i bought it at usec market and i considered that as a steal deal because of the price that i paid was around $525 for both. even til this day, it's still running smoothly on most games.

Nowadays I feel like the solution for all of this is Facebook marketplace. I’ve picked up a used rtx 2080 ti founders edition for 360 Canadian dollars (the only thing it needed is a thermal paste replacement). Same goes on for most of the parts, I’ve seen 12 gen i3 go for 90 Canadian dollars, gtx 1080 ti go for 120 Canadian dollars,(new) rtx 4070 for 600 Canadian dollars, ryzen 9 5900x for 500 Canadian dollars, rtx 3070 for 400 bucks, etc… Other then the gpu I got all brand new parts because I waited for sales. Total of the build was 1300 dollars and it’s running amazingly.

@true-dark-mind9681

8 ай бұрын

As you stated here, all you need is some background information that you personally gain by experience and research over time, which is something that most people don't care about.

@compumonkeys

7 ай бұрын

sounds like Vancouver prices, sometimes it's like that here for the used market

Also reminder that your use case matters. Like if you don't particularly care about the new games that are coming out for example then you can be perfectly fine with something that's way less expensive and not as powerful. Like I plan to be playna older games for quite some time so something like a 12600KF and a RX 6600 / RTX 3060 12GB would be perfectly fine for me but for others that may not be the case cuz it all depends on their use case and what they're using it for

@dankmemesstudios3987

6 ай бұрын

What annoys me is those components are from 2021! 2 years ago. And you can't play modern titles on them nicely.

@peanutfish94

6 ай бұрын

@dankmemesstudios3987 Okay? Then you'd get better components to fit your use case then. I don't need that high of a use case compare to others but you might.

@dankmemesstudios3987

6 ай бұрын

@@peanutfish94 My point is those components should be able to run all modern titles. Infact they really have enough juice too if the buisness wasn't trying to hard to squeeze people's bank accounts.

@maurice5402

5 ай бұрын

​@@dankmemesstudios3987Agreed, it's infuriating. Imo mid range and above gpus should last at least 5 years. Thankfully I mostly play older titles, patientgaming for the win lol

I feel like this is still within the window of time where the newest console has caused more demanding games overall. I has happened in the last few console cycles where the newest Playstation and Xbox comes out and PC hardware takes time to catch up. I say give it until the next AMD and Nvidia gen comes out and that's going to depreciate the value of what's out right now. Not to mention, Intel is still on the way with more GPUs as well. In time, it will improve. On the other hand though, some games have zero excuse for their performance. City Skylines II is a big example of a game that is terribly optimized and there's no excuse for even high end hardware struggling to run it. That's why I NEVER pre order any game even if it's made by a company I know will make something great at launch like Nintendo (From Software makes great games at launch too but I hate souls like games so that's not a personal factor for me). The bright side is some hardware is coming down a little in price so as long as there isn't some major mass buying of GPUs caused by something like the crypto mining (or possibly AI but a lot of that side of GPU hardware is built specifically for AI processes so possibly not a lot of parallel with primarily gaming GPUs), I feel like there's hope prices will continue to get more reasonable over time.

This is in no way the PC being unaffordable. By all means any pre-2019 game runs beautifully with any modern budget equipment. It's just recent ports being unoptimized messes (even on consoles at launch)

Where I live, the 6700xt still costs about 520USD brand new. I ended up building a pc with a 6600 and 5700x for around 850USD. gigabyte 6600- 216 usd 5700x- 190 usd 2x kingston 3200 16gb- 84usd deepcool ak400- 30usd gigabyte b550 ds3h- 90usd deepcool cc560- 50usd seasonic core gx550- 72 usd kingston kc30001tb- 82usd

I am definitely getting into PC gaming and also 3d work/music production and the cpu options are great the RAM besides DDR5 is great and so is storage,cooling etc. But when I want to kick back and play some games it's like I need to sell my kidney on the black market to actually be able to purchase a graphics card that may very well become the next budget option in 2 to 4 years. We all Know that AMD and NVIDIA are overpriced, I hope Intel's battlemage shakes the market up and they provide such a large generational gap between their first and second gen that it makes all pc gamers and workstation users alike switch brands and hurts Ngreedia's wallet. I was interested in pc's ever since 2020 and seeing the prices made me wince, seeing them now is just infuriating.

People forgot how it used to be back in the late 90s and early 2000. A computer would be completely useless after 4-5 years due to cpu requirement clock speed doubling every 2 year and other features like shader language version which wouldn't just cause your games to run like crap on your older computer but not being able to run at all. Although what changed is that in the last ~3 years, computer parts (especially GPUs) more than doubled in price.

@emperorcaligula5786

8 ай бұрын

Over top of inflation, an rtx 4080 is actually around 33% more expensive than it should be, as it should only cost $700-$800. The reason for the high prices is because we're still in a chip shortage. Consoles are only cheaper because they are sold at a loss. If they were sold at a profit, they would be as expensive or more than PCs when factoring in game prices.

i upgraded from a 4790k to a 7800x3d. downside is I've found that while it helped a decent bit.... i swapped CPU bottleneck for GPU bottleneck. I have a 980 TI which I am still running and it plays most of what I want to play, but its showing that it epically needs replacing too. however I basically needed a whole new build..... and that wasn't in the budget. so GPU is on the backburner for a bit. I am looking at the 7800xt and the 4070/ti line but those are at least what I paid for the 980ti back 7-8 years ago. Everythings went up and while my paycheck has risen over time as well,.... it didn't rise as fast as the other items in the market. I'm just about priced out. Of course I'm also older and have other hobbies and responsibilities (family) that I didn't have when I built my last system either, less time to game, more cost to game, and overall poorer experiences with new games.

A bigger budget doesn't help much. I need a bit of mobility and I've currently got a RTX 3060 laptop. I was thinking about upgrading to a RTX 4070 laptop and although it would definitely be better performance isn't where I'd want it to be for the outlay so I guess I'll need to wait for the next generation.

Honestly, if your the kind of person that actually enjoys playing the games instead of benchmarking pc parts or flexing online in forums about your hardware then there are good options on console side. You can get a used switch or ps5 and play those exclusives. On PS5, Xbox especially (not Nintendo so much) you can buy used physical copies, so you can get the games quite a bit cheaper too than on any Steam Sale. I was looking at used Steamdeck or Ally prices where I live and they can be great too.

Day by day console gaming looks reasonable....no hate to pc gaming but annoying how devs on the pc side doesn't optimize games on such good and powerful hardware

@duckdongjd9458

8 ай бұрын

Starfield Xbox series X 30fps is reasonable yes.

@curvingfyre6810

8 ай бұрын

except you're still paying for an overpriced and undercapable system, and for the most part you can expect the same 30 fps locked that the 500 dollar PC would get you. Consoles don't feel like they've gotten worse recently cause they've always been bad. PCs feel worse cause they used to be good.

@user-vp6cq4sv3d

8 ай бұрын

​@@curvingfyre6810And with pc you'll always have alot more options in spite of the faults and aren't locked behind what the console necessarily has available.

@project_pothi

8 ай бұрын

if you wanna play games like on console put settings on low-med with dynamic resolution and you are good, vex is another one "tech" youtubers creating drama with clickbait and misinformation.

@curvingfyre6810

8 ай бұрын

@@project_pothi literally not possible on alan wake. A 30 fps cap on all lowest settings (including fsr) will get you 15 fps on a 1000/5000 system.

This is tough. My system has a 12400f and a 6650XT. That should be a pretty good combo for a lot of AAA titles at high 1080p and low to medium 1440p. My main games are CoD, Fortnite, Rocket League mixed in with indie games and a triple AAA solo game or two every year. I think whats happening ks that were about to hit a similar spot to when I had upgraded from a PS4 to a Series S. Big difference there and now a couple lf years later it feels like that console is in its mid life and soon will be where my PS4 was.

@project_pothi

8 ай бұрын

thats a low end pc anyway, you get what you pay for.

I'm old, so I tend to play older games (one thing the pc is good for), at the moment, I'm running an r5 5600x and a vega 56 (because it was cheap when I bought it a few years ago). I'm hoping that this year sees a new gpu for me, but, I have another problem - two sons I also need to build computers for, and this time around, I'm going to need to build two computers the same, at the same time, in time for next Christmas ideally, so I'm already looking at platform choice. The other thing is, due to the home situation, it might be wise to look at building in cases that can fit in a rucksack, so they're portable between houses. But as you go smaller, things like mother boards and sff power supplies and cases really start to bite into the budget, I'm also in the UK, despite the difference in exchange rates, you can take American prices and just swap the dollar sign for a pound sign. I bought son 2 a 6750xt for Christmas as 6700 xt's are now sold out locally here. That meant a new power supply, as his computer was built in 2016, it's running an r5 2600 on an x370 mother board, and up until this christmas, had been stuck on the 8Gb of ram which was all I could stretch to when it was built, due to the flash memory price cartel action around the time (It also started life with a 128Gb m.2 boot drive for the same reason).

Just look for a used 3080 or 3090. Picked up a used 3090 for 500 bucks a few weeks ago. Or play other games. Been playing tons of stuff on my steam deck no problem as well

@drunkhusband6257

8 ай бұрын

You wasted your money then. A 4070 is around $500 with almost the same fps #s as a 3090....double that if the game uses frame generation, uses far less power, and runs cooler.

@johnnymathes5215

8 ай бұрын

@drunkhusband6257 lmao yea okay. Not here to argue with you but the 3090 smokes the 4070. And i wouldnt use frame generation anyway due to higher latency. Thank you for your unsolicited advice to try and make me feel bad for a purchase i already made.

@drunkhusband6257

8 ай бұрын

Hey it's your own fault for not researching what the difference between the two is. A 3090 gets on average a whole 10-15 fps tops more at 1080p even less at 1440p and higher. Why would you not use frame generation it's literally doubling your fps on top of dlss. The latency isue is massively overblown especially when you have a high refresh rate monitor @@johnnymathes5215

@EATBreal

7 ай бұрын

@@drunkhusband6257 3090 has larger memory bus and 24GB of VRAM and smokes 4070 in most applications especially outside of gaming.

I went little bit crazy with my PC update 2 years back and bought red devil rx6900xt (1700 dollars), new 570 motherboard (200 dollars), another 16gb of ram to round it at 32gb (100 dollars), 4TB sata ssd (400 dollars), 1TB nvme (150 dollars) and kept my r7 3800x. And so far I do not feel I would need any update in another 4y. It costed a lot of money in the time of gpu crisis and covid, but I would say it was worth it for a PC which will last at least 6 years (I also fullfilled child dream of high end PC). I might update to 5800x3d or 5800x/5900x to get the most out of AM4 once these cpus are being sold out for good. All the new games I can comfortably run at 3440*1440/60fps+ and at worst in the future I can turn on FSR or dial down to medium/high. With the cpu update in the future I will have even more horsepower which should last some time (cause I can feel that the cpu is bottleneck now, alongside with Windows, which I left for good, cause I have up to 30% better performance on Linux). I even tried Alan Wake 2 and without ray tracing, which I think is useless, I had comfortable 60fps at max settings in 3440*1440. If I would buy a pc now I would still go for am4 socket. It is a steal. I would go for used r7 5803dx, rx 6800xt and b550/570 motherboard. I would buy a new cheap case for 40 dollars, 32gb ddr4 ram, power supply and hoppefully use my old sdds. If I would not have one then black friday 1tb nvme ssd for 40 dollars and you are set. Somewhere in range of 800*1000 dollars. Which is not cheap, but to have a decent PC it was always a bit premium. And now are the prices of pc components at the bottom, so better act, before it will go up in the near future.

CPUs stagnated for almost a decade from sandy bridge until zen. We are finally seeing the effect of modern hardware trickling down to games. $500 in 2016 is $650 today. Seems like that is in line with what you were looking at.

I specialize in assembling gaming PCs as a side job. At present, I find it challenging to propose a new build that costs less than $1200, a factor which discourages potential customers from delving into the world of PC gaming. The majority of newcomers to PC gaming prefer a budget of around $600-$800. Unfortunately, a combination of poorly developed games and high costs of PC parts has led me to recommend purchasing a gaming console instead, especially if gaming is your sole interest. The reality is that novice PC gamers often don't want to spend hours tinkering with settings and running benchmarks in order to find the optimal configuration for their poorly optimized games. If you spend $1200 you want your games to just work. In contrast, for $600 a console provides a straightforward, ready-to-play experience.

@compumonkeys

7 ай бұрын

same, even here in Canada the prices are bad for new users, sometimes I recommend consoles or laptops.

Back in Dec 2020 I built a nice gaming rig , Amd 5900X , 6900XT , 32GB ram , 2TB NvmeM.2 , B550MB , 1000watt Power Supply . I got lucky as hell getting the GPU during the gpu scalping , bought it at a camera store in a shopping center about a mile away from my house my coworker went in there and saw the Box on the wall and gave me a call . I only paid $1000 for it . This year I had to Upgrade with a 5800X3D , 4TBM.2 along with a 4TB SSD which gives me 8TB of storage . So in less than 3 years I had to spend more money to keep up with todays modern gaming . I do believe Nvidia and Amd are just adding more gimmicks to their video cards to out date your current video card to force you to upgrade with todays modern gaming . And to push the details are needing more pc power to force gamers to build new pc's to meet system requirements .

Yeah the OG Ark was the same way! And I was running it on a laptop... still fun

I’m pretty sure my system cost around 1200-1300, that’s not including pc which was a prebuilt. I spent 900 on my first prebuilt(was not a good purchase). Immediately swapped out the gpu for a 1070ti(350 usd not counting towards new build either)back in 2021. Back in July I went to micro center and bought a bundle among some other things that cost a total of 560usd. Got a motherboard, i7 12th gen, and free ram. Also bought a case, micro center was a life saver tbh cause my pre built stopped working on me. About 2 weeks ago I bought a used wind force 4070 off Amazon for 550 and a new power supply. Also had to buy some more fans cause the old fans weren’t compatible with certain parts. Only thing I kept was the ssd, even that’s gonna get swapped out eventually I’m already having to delete games to make for more space.

There is no reason to upgrade your PC for the walking sim known as Alen Walk 2 or any UE5 game. These games need to look MUCH better to start the conversation of upgrading from something like a 6700XT to anything newer/more powerful.

Nah. Just stop buying this unoptimized pre-alpha junk-shit, which calles nowdays "Game Releases". Devs now unreasonable. So we can vote with wallets.

Don't panic guys, we just left the console cross gen period to enter actual current gen, that's why there's such a big jump, but it's going to plateau again (we know how it goes), Cyberpunk 2.0/PL and Alan Wake 2 are the new norm for the next 7-10 years and it's not going to get any crazier than this outside of tech demos and RTX mods, because at the end of the day the average joe will have a PS5 or a Switch 2, which will force devs to optimize. So see Alan Wake 2 as the indicator of the new plateau for the current gen, not a step to even crazier things, not until game devs fully commit to PS6 dev without cross gen (so again, 7-10 years).

one thing I messed up on was not getting a DDR5 motherboard I regret it but I dont feel like building another PC for the next few years.

Thanks for this video! You did a great job of highlighting exactly why I switched back to console gaming recently. Sure, you don't get the highest-end performance, but I'm at a point in my life where I can't in good conscience justify these extreme costs just to be able to engage with a hobby that's supposed to be my downtime activity. I have an M1 Mac Mini that I use for creative work (I'm an author and podcaster) and the Apple Silicon chips are doing amazing things performance wise at better entry costs than some mid-range PCs. The consoles, meanwhile, do a ton of optimization to make games look and run great on systems that won't break the bank. I took a good hard look at the math and realized that for $1400 (the price of some graphics cards on their own), I got a Mac Mini, PS5, and Series S that collectively cover all my needs. That just makes it so much harder to justify pissing away money on a modern PC build. Which especially hurts because I rebuilt my gaming PC only 4 years ago but with the way tech has gone, that Ryzen 5 3600/GTX1660 build now barely treads water. It's upsetting. But I've moved on.

Why is everybody talking about the realy bad games like: "My new stuff cant even run this new game! I have to UPGRADE! GET ME A UPGRADE! AHHH!" In reality it should just be: "Haha look at this piece of shit software! This game is the most unfinished piece of s*it anyone ever produced! Nobody will play this!" You guys hurting yourself with this...

Here's the kicker. I get FAR more enjoyment out of games that can run on a potato than I get from new triple-A titles in the past couple of years.

My itx PC is built entirely out of second hand parts: 5800X3D, Corsair LPX 32GB 3200MHz, MSI B550i, RX 6800 Reference, Cooler Master V750SFX, 500GB Kingston NV1, ID Cooling IS 50X v2 cooler and PCCOOLER i100 Pro case - all for exactly $1000, so I think I got a pretty good deal on the used parts. Only two parts were brand new, the SSD and particularly the RAM because the second hand market is flooded with 16GB kits while 32GB kits were non-existent. I play at 1080p, and my goal was a "future-proof" build for the next 3 years. $1000 is a lot to me, and I do think my build is pretty high end even at this point in time, but the current gaming trend worries me. I am now uncertain if I'll even be able to play at 1080p 60 at acceptable graphics quality after those 3 years...