The most high octane 12 minutes of gravity racing I've experienced hands down :D That said, there was quite a bit to optimize here, not sure what was the fastest way, but turning > reversing for me :D Also want to add some small tidbit about hands up: the force is always away from the road surface, so on a rising slope it is actually up and a bit backwards. While in air, the force is always upwards

@alkestos

2 жыл бұрын

Secret of the trick.

@rysiii811

2 жыл бұрын

hands up downhill would make you faster then?

@Warcans

2 жыл бұрын

@@rysiii811 no, you would still have the upwards component that literally fights against gravity which is your only way to accelerate without boosters

@gabrielmitchell2980

2 жыл бұрын

How are you so good every vid I’ve seen you in you have been 1 or 2 or 3rd place how

@Pystro

2 жыл бұрын

@@rysiii811 The road is naturally taking any amount of force that is coming in vertical to it's surface. Lifting your hands thus only reduces how much force the road has to carry. As a result, the only thing you achieve is reducing your friction.

Going in the middle of two boosters actually accelerates you faster in case you didn't know yet, meaning you'll reach max booster speed way faster

@Pystro

2 жыл бұрын

They had that with the fans in the centrifuge.

@beaclaster

2 жыл бұрын

wait isn't that basically stacking the booster like before the power slider was added

@boardstar7660

2 жыл бұрын

I like to imagine ejecting on purpose to get you a faster time be a viable strategy

@Astrolex12

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, you're right. And also I think the best thing would be to turn as low as possible in the hills. Sure you lose speed turning but you make it back at the bottom (boosters) faster than if you went all the way up and down again. I'd suggest taking the turns as wide and fast as you can until you pick up enough speed to make it up in one go (memorize the speed required). You should only go up the hill further if you have too much speed to make the turn

@ProjectNoDarkNight

Жыл бұрын

@@beaclaster helo again, long time no see

The only net energy added is via the boosters. With Zeepkist, energy is lost when turning via friction (or later on landings off the bump). So getting through the boosters more times more quickly will add more energy, by turning as soon as you cleanly can should add speed the fastest. Potentially, using the brakes while airborn to stop the rotation would reduce the loss on landing off the bump.

@laurensholthof

2 жыл бұрын

True, you wanna turn as quickly as possible since you're converting kinetic into potential and back into kinetic, not adding any energy. Was gonna comment it but you got there first :)

@swskitso

Жыл бұрын

Was thinking the whole time that going to the precipice every time was the worst way to go. If he only went uphill till reaching optimum turn speed he could have been in the competition.

@Casper042

18 күн бұрын

I'm a year late but came to say the same. Glad to see someone else saw the physics involved here :P

The best part of this concept is that everyone is together the whole time. It's almost like a roller rink, where everyone is together the whole time.

Warcans needs too join the chat on a video. He has become such a character in zeepkist videos

I think a good 3-4 second time save can be had by taking the final hill at an angle to reduce air time and mitigate the sudden loss of 20-30 speed on landing impact. having that speed drop gradually will maintain more speed as you crest the hill.

I think there's 4 secrets to a good time: A: J_ordinary commented that going between two boosters accelerates you faster. The data in the reply below doesn't confirm this. B: Know which speed you have to come out of the boosters at for your final climb. (175km/h doesn't work, 180 km/h was the speed kAN had at the end when he might even have been better off going around another time). C: Starting your turn around when you hit 75km/h only looses you 5 km/h (for example, kAN came out of the boosters at 120 km/h, and after reversing he entered the next one with 119km/h). Turning too aggressively can lead to you needing a whole extra pass to reach the 150km/h mark (see the runs with 140km/h and 150km/h passes). D: Hands up may speed you up. Or slow you down. Either way you'd have to know when to use it and when to not use it. [edits after doing the analysis below]: Turning around costs you more than 1 km/h. Reversed the conclusion that followed from that.

@knightM1A

2 жыл бұрын

Damn we may have another warcans contender

@beaclaster

2 жыл бұрын

@@knightM1A there's a difference between aero physicists and actual pilots

@Cerulean_Frost

2 жыл бұрын

It's legit. I combined A & C to great effect when I tried the map and got something around 1;20 at my first success and compared to my control run without double boost at 1;38.. Yeah no contest, though admittedly the control run probably had an extra cycle.(But that's why knowing the required speed is important) But then I plugged in my controller and besides the double boost being easier I got smoother turn arounds and finally managed to shave yet another cycle of for a time of 1;06;789. Edit: I noticed during my runs that I could get really close on yet another less cycle, like 177km/h when you ideally want 182km/h or something. So I tried maximizing my speed for that uphill instead of the next. It wasn't easy but by turning at 55km/h instead of 75km/h for the first couple of turns, and maybe my hands up helped, I got it done. For a time of 1;03;970.. Yeah the rest of the run takes so much longer that almost all of the time you save by doing 1 less cycle is lost gaining speed.

@JeanPGuy3000

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't play myself but I've watched a lot of their videos. Didn't the dev say hands up applies an upwards force? So if you put hands up on the turns wouldn't it help prevent sliding down?

@Pystro

2 жыл бұрын

Let me check if I can verify the double booster theory: columns: timestamp; single/double; forwards/backwards; speed [km/h]; kinetic energy [zeepkist*km^2/h^2]; kinetic energy loss to next 04:06 s f 027-077 00729-05929 0888 04:14 s f 071-101 05041-10201 0201 04:25 s? f 100-123 10000-15129 04:35 s? f 028-078 00784-06084 0308 04:48 s b 076-104 05776-10816 0000 04:59 s f 104-127 10816-16129 0253 05:13 s b 126-145 15876-21025 0000 05:28 s f 145-XXX 21025-aborted ---- (145 booster entry after 0:53, very comparable to last run) 05:57 d? f 027-082 00729-06724 0324 (

I saw something interesting. When you get down to 80 you need to turn no matter were you are. If you are below 80 you will get max speed on the way back down before hitting the accelerator. If you turn with 80 you constantly speeding up. That should also make a difference. So not looking were you are, just turn if it goes to 80. Ok, I can't proof it, but that looks to be a viable way. And someone wrote to go always between both accelerators to get boosted by both.

Going up and then down should keep your speed neutral if not slightly losing due to friction so it doesn't add speed. What does add speed is boosters. So hitting them as often as possible with as little time in between would generate speed the quickest. This means turning as soon as your speed drops enough to allow it and riding the outside to allow wider turns at higher speeds. Figure out the maximum speed that allows a safe turn and you set a good time Back and forth without turning is the slowest possible way without failing on purpose.

This video came out about a minute ago and i already love this track concept.

bro bro bro bro bro i just had the most big brain thought go in circles on both boosters and go fast that way to win

I just started turning when I saw 80 - 100 speed, I tried reversing once and it was slower than turning, if you use keyboard then when you are turning tap the left/right arrow keys instead of holding it down, when you hold it down it slows you down, also go in between both boosters to gain speed faster

That's one of the most fun and interesting ideas I've seen in a racing game since those crazy flatout extras like car bowling. Great work man!

Around 14:00, you can see Warcans turning around in reverse. I might be wrong but I think he did the track completely in reverse which might've allowed him to go even faster/farther. I don't know the physics engine for the game so I can't say for sure

The strat is Never lose speed. as you keep going down hill you gain speed even before you hit the booster if you do it right. Amazing track Idea.

You should do a stream track where you build on stream and the audience like votes on what features you do. Then you record the video after you end the stream

That looked like a really fun track. So simple yet very technical to get the best time. =]

I wonder if you can make the theme avoid the boosters.

@AlechiaTheWitch

2 жыл бұрын

Specific jumps

@nikkiofthevalley

2 жыл бұрын

Make all the boosters maxed out in the reverse direction of the track.

@beaclaster

2 жыл бұрын

i thought old-zeepkist dapper made this kind of track.

Wow looks super fun

That was a funny thought you got executed there. It turned out to be a really nice track and completely different from anything else I've seen. Beautifully done kAN 🙂

It just works!

The faster you are moving in the turn on the ramp, adds to the boost speed on the return. Also grabbing two boosts on the enter will make you get there quicker.

that was an excellent idea!

I feel like braking at the top instead of rolling slowly to the top then back down is better but then where's the sweetspot, really awesome track!

@ducewags

2 жыл бұрын

@Sam Adkins Moving is faster then stopping. Make the turn with speed to get more speed from the booster on the way down.

I think the hill is deceiving, going up it is a large waste of time. I would have turned at the soonest opportunity until you have the speed needed to go up the hill

So cool 😎

I think the optimal way to do this map is the following (I don't have the game tho so this could be completely wrong): you need to go between the 2 boosters to get the effect of both, start turning around as soon as you're turning radius is small enough to not crash into the wall, then, at the end, know how much speed you need to reach the finish line (through trial and error).

Going between both boosters(maybe if they stack) and turning as quickly as possible(When you can avoid skidding) should be the key. Just hit the boosters as often as possible in the shortest amount of time. The slope is worse than a 0 sum, no benefit to extending time on them until you are going all the way to the top.

nice vid bro keep it up!

I think it might help to kinda drive on the right two at the start in a wide turn to go left first, hitting all 4 boosters quickly to begin with

I'm thinking the same is true for this track as any race track: you need to hit the racing line, the shortest route through the track. Turn back down hill as soon as you can without braking. What gravity took, it will give back. But what friction took, is lost, and the longer you spend going up, the more friction can take.

@FUGP72

2 жыл бұрын

But while you aren't losing energy to friction, you are lengthening the course by turning. I suspect Kosmo was onto something with his idea to reverse at the start but then turn. When you aren't going that fast, you slow down to 0 and start reversing quicker but after a couple of times, you will be going too fast and will take way too long to do come to a stop. Warcans was definitely still reversing later in the run, after he got his 1:22. We could see him at one point. I bet that was his method. 2 or 3 times reversing, and then changing it up to turning.

Energy game I liked it :D seems to me like a race to get the kinetic energy as fast as possible so just turn as soon as you can? And use the double boosters technique too. Only use hands up on your last climb as is makes you “lighter” so you go up more but your goal is to get back to the boosters as quick as possible before you reach 180kph+.

the next track theme should be the illusion of choice all Pathways lead to an ending but they're longer or shorter depending on which path you take some past can be more trickier than others will others are easy but long.

great map just tried it out love your videos got a 1:09.146 just go in the middle of the boosters

Day 7 of asking Kan, Dapper and kosmo to play each others tracks in the videos as well as their own ones. love you guys and would love to see this :D

Was thinking Dapper was dead by how he wasn't in some recordings, Kosmo's intro for this theme said he was back with kAN and Dapper, but then there was no dapper.

man, this is another one where it's so dam simple but so dam refineable, which is kinda the whole point of the gravity racing game to begin with: almost everything cascades exponentially as long as that speed limit softcap doesn't come into play. probably one of the big points in favor of trackmania too: it's nearly impossible to hit speedcap without a track explicitly designed to enable it so unless you're implementing bugs simply accelerating more and turning/braking less is all you can do to go faster and balancing that against driving less distance is your end time, heck, even most of the speedbug usage works in a similar do-it-smoother-to-do-it-better manner.

try making a drifting track in a garden on a castle

Minimize time between boosters. Turn as fast as possible

The most logical thing to do is to turn as soon as able (not smashing into opposite side) and thus going for boosters as often as possible until you get enough speed. Two things to figure out are how fast can you go and make it 180 turn and how much speed do you need to reach the top

Yeah you need to maximize power in at low speeds by turning immediately as you come off the boosters to get to the other boosters

You did the video game theme, but you just did racing games or games similar to racing games, which is cool, but I think it would be even cooler to see tracks inspired by non-racing games.

17th like great video already I love them

You guys should add warcans to your voice chat and find out how he's beating y'all so easily

I just thought of something what if you do a troll theme and for the map you make a neverending map with a a secret finish or something

You should do a work in progress track please :D

There does seem to be some merit in the backwards first and then start turning theory. At first, it won' take as long to slow down to 0 before going backwards. I bet the key to this is know just how many times to go backwards.

Should the game physics work like reality, when you come to the boosters you should have at most the speed you left the previous boosters. So you need to run through enough to get to the speed required to get to the top. So I would assume turning back around as soon as you are going slow enough to do so would minimize the time required to build the speed.

9th video requesting Kan to make a 3 wheeled track

Hi kan gaming I subscribed

kAN, when you said not to be greedy and then you were greedy, you were near the top with about 1:11 time. You could have still rolled backwards and made it to the other side in good time, but you gave up.

This track made me wonder why go so far up the hill? ie you dont have to go up the hill as far as you can each run...you just need to circle through the boosters repeatedly to get to speed X which is fast enough to finally make it up and over....and so faster times should be quicker by cycling and looping back and forth as low on the hills as you can, before getting enough to finally go up and over.

Wouldn't minimising the time between hitting the boosters be the fastest way to gain enough speed to get to the top of the hill ? So then technically keeping a constant loop in the beginning is faster than trying to get more height on the ramp ?

kAN, this is a zeepkister from the future speaking, I got a 1:14: 755 on your track ;) It only took about 4 tries too.

Would turning as soon as you go through a booster help? Because that way you'd pick up speed in a shorter amount of time.

Lol "I got a 1:30 validation!" Validation video shows 1:41.3 Final in-game time 1:41.1

You should make the big loop in the lava realm in hot wheels world race

To the extent that there is time to turn, try to turn the track as early as possible to accelerate the belt

I think they found the max speed to start turning especially from the start you were going quite slow when turning around

How bout a famous movie scene theme? Similar to Kosmo's terminator track in floor is lava

You only gain speed when going through the booster, so early especially I think you need to turn as low as possible.

Is there any advantage to reaching the height of the hill? Or should you just hit the booster, go just far enough to make the turn without hitting the wall, then turn to hit the next booster immediately?

The sooner you turn when you're not going to make it should give you more speed.

@FUGP72

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but only if you are do a smooth turn at the speed you are going. You wouldn't want to just keep turning on the first hill since you would slide out as your speed grew.

Psst, kAN... Trains, here... lots of 'em... It's a game... of trains... it's called "Sweet Transit" I hope you'll see this :> try it... Trains.

Do this track wider with a line of sideways boosters going from the uphill side toward the downhill side ?

Going in reverse doesn't work. You lose to much time waiting to slow down to a stop, then speed up again. Watching the video it doesn't matter if you go in reverse, or turn around, you end up at pretty much the same speed you had when you started going up. By turning around, you're not spending time waiting to slow down to a stop, allowing you to get back to the booster quicker. Watching the video it didn't matter if Kan went reverse or turned around, he was always going roughly the same speed when he got to the bottom as when he started going up. The only difference is that by turning you may lose 1 or 2 speed, but you save time by not waiting to come to a stop.

Do a Steam Punk/ Industrial theme

would it not be better to turn around as soon as possible? The faster you hit one of the boosters, the faster you'll higher speed

I wonder if it'd be a viable tactic to just go in circles for a bit until you can't get more speed from that.

would going diagonally through a booster boost your speed higher?

You guys need to do Forza horizon 5 track builder series with zeepkist just swap between

Make an Upside-down backward-only track?

You should have named it going up and upper Or sinusoidal swinging

a map where you have to use every piece in the game?

Wouldnt it be better to take the turns a little wider to not lose that much speed?

I think you should have never tried to always go up a high as possible! Keep your turnings as low as possible while maintaining maximum speed!

you need to keep momentum. going backwards drops you to 0 momentum for too long you want to keep peak energy

The one thing that kept bugging me throughout this track was I could tell when you needed to turn but you killed a run that could have been a faster time than 1:40.

Can you do more Railroads online videos?

The game realy needs portals

you want to gain speed fast... how do you do that you do really short swings at the start basicly don't go up the hill just turn and when you get to much speed for that you go up a little and then wait to you have low enough speed to turn and then when you get the first bump you go high up on each lap.

Can you do troll levels?

You know what theme would be perfect? "Back to school" theme!

I don't play this game, so I might be completely off the mark, but I don't see why you would go all the way up the hill every swing. Shouldn't you turn as soon as possible to get as little time between boosters as possible? I guess if the turning costs more energy at higher speeds, you'd want to wait until you go slow, but in that case the reversing method should be even faster.

go lower so you keep more of your speed and have a shorter track length

I got a 1:11.263

@realorangejuice7486

Жыл бұрын

1:07.022

Hear me out... actual downhill tracks

Can't you brake? Just get as far as you can, then when you drop under... maybe 20 speed, brake.

So where's dapper?

Ha first like, but great video already

@jondavies

2 жыл бұрын

Why do people take such enjoyment of being the first comment, it's nothing special but people act like it is

3:45 120-130 🤣🤣🤣🤣 always lieing 2:30

play barotrauma

Why not have scrapman join in though his tracks would probably be as painfull as yours are to do

hi

I dont think there is any benefit to trying to get higher. You lose a ton of speed. ou want to turn immediately once you can make the turn without skidding or losing speed

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I've only ever watched these guys play, but it hurts to watch...they are obviously missing some key strategies to finishing this quicker...probably could've put down a 1:20 or 1:22 if done completely correctly

Fourth!!!!!!!!

12th comment!

I love these videos, but I feel like them complaining about other people being too good and blaming cheeses/game physics etc. over the past few videos instead of realizing that some people are just better at them at the game really brings the energy down for me :|