Thanks for watching, Super Nerds! I know this one is a bit dense, but being the MTG nerd that I am, I wanted to try an experiment. And *below is the full set-up of the deck* and a link to the paper if you're interested (it's very complicated!): arxiv.org/abs/1904.09828 and if you like Magic and/or EDH, please subscribe to The Command Zone, the only magic podcast I listen to: kzread.info/dron/LsiaNUb42gRAP7ewbJ0ecQ.html -- kH 1) Go infinite. Play Staff of Domination, draw whole deck. 2) Play Fathom Feeder, Reito Lantern, Lotus petal, demonstrate loop where cast-sac-lantern-fathom feeder to exile rest of Josh’s library. 3) Play Karn, exile card from Josh’s hand. Demonstrate loop with Capsize to exile all cards from Josh’s hand and all permanents he controls. 4) Cast Infest, in response Cleansing Beam (fathom feeder), Coalition Victory, Soul Snuffers, Gix 5) Sac Soul Snuffers to Gix 6) Cast Blazing Archon, Vigor, XN, RR, Dread of Night, Shared Triumph (naming Luhrgoyf), Privileged Position, Mesmeric Orb, Fungus Sliver, Wild Evocation, Prismatic Omen, Choke, Memnarch, Olivia Voldaren, Djinn 7) Cast Cloak of Invisibility on one XN. 8) COPY TIME. With Stolen Identity, copy 79 times with Djinn. Vigor, Archon, XN (7), RR (33), Dread of Night, Shared Triumph. Use Memnarch to make Dread of Night, Shared Triumph (naming rat), Cloak of Invisibility artifacts. a. Give cloaks to 36 XN and RR. 9) Using Riptide Replicator and Capsize, create 36 creature tokens of varying power and toughness, using 18 different creature types we are going to use as symbols in our program. 10) Using Prismatic Lace, Glamerdye, Artificial Evolution and the Djinn, change text, creature type, and color of pretty much all my permanents. a. All XN + RR going to be red, black, green, and white, and are going to make different creature tokens of a different color, according to our program. b. All tape tokens to the left of the 2/2 orc are going to be green, all to the left will be white. c. Our Fungus is going to be white and give counter to “incarnations” instead of slivers d. Dread of night is going to look for “black” creatures instead of white. e. Olivia Voldaren to make Assembly Workers instead of Vampires 11) Cast Donate 41 times. Give Josh all the hacked RR and XN, the Wild Evocation, a copy of the Vigor and the Archon. 12) Cast Illusory Gains on your White 3/3 Faerie. 13) Hacked Olivia Voldaren to hack all creatures in play as type Assembly Worker 14) Cast Recycle 15) Reito Lantern all graveyard specific order, Staff of Domination draw Donate, Donate + Djinn to Recycle and Privileged Position, draw 2 a.ON THE STACK, cast Reality Ripple on 18 of the XN and RR according to our program, gives the computer 2 different phases as your turn comes around 16) Reito Infest, Cleansing Beam, Coalition Victory, Soul Snuffers to library, draw rest of library + Infest 17) Karn / Capsize exile my hand plus all set-up permanents 18) Cast Karn, exile card from my hand, in response, Capsize Karn 19) Cast Wheel of Sun and Moon, cast Steely Resolve (naming Assembly Worker) 20) PASS

@ArchangelExile

4 жыл бұрын

I understood _nothing_

@k_tess

4 жыл бұрын

I'm computer engineer and have been playing since Theros. I understood the machine when it was working. I didn't understand getting there. So I'm a better programmer than I am a player. Which I guess is a good thing.

@Xomsabre

4 жыл бұрын

"Your ancestors called it Magic; you call it Science. Where I come from, they are one in the same."

@Fufu0117

4 жыл бұрын

" A bored wizard once made a vizzerdrix out of a bunny and a piranha. He never made that mistake again " - Because Science 2019

@evilgeek87

4 жыл бұрын

Finally a use for phasing!

Incidentally this deck is also more expensive than most modern computers.

@vin.himself

4 жыл бұрын

@erium ok boomer

@miaouew

4 жыл бұрын

@@vin.himself yeah I'm a 30 year old boomer

@jauchengrube6951

4 жыл бұрын

Less that 400€, if you ignore shipping and buy the cheapest versions available online. I did the math.

@calebfuller4713

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that - bet this deck actually costs more than a PC! Ironic, no?

@CasperTheRestless

4 жыл бұрын

yeah but it doesn't need electricity

One day you bring a deck to FNM. "How does your deck win?" "Oh, it doesn't. It just mines Bitcoin."

@robertlozyniak3661

4 жыл бұрын

Would mining Bitcoin count as an alternate win condition?

@doylerudolph7965

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertlozyniak3661 depends on the prize money. If you can mine more than the prize in the time you're given, I'd say you've won.

@Nightwishmaster

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertlozyniak3661 Not unless it also mines prize packs as well.

@Savapine

4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@nathancarver7179

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertlozyniak3661 I'd say so. Why even bother trying to win money if your magic cards can mine bitcoin?

Opponent in a tournament: What kind of a deck do you have? Kyle: It's a Turing machine deck. It calculates 2+2 and then wins.

@OGSilentMan

10 ай бұрын

2+2 is the best stratmin mtg

@toolittletoolate

8 ай бұрын

After 10 minutes of Kyle playing Solitaire the judges where called and he was DQ'd from the tourney for Slow Play (ignoring the fact the deck needs magic christmas land to even function)

I love how 5 cards in he's already ignoring the option to literally deal infinite unblockable damage to his opponents lol

@toasterstrooder8628

Жыл бұрын

It’s like he said at the end… it’s not about the win: it’s about the science!

@richardpike8748

Жыл бұрын

@@toasterstrooder8628 "it's not about money, it's about sending a message"

@VidelxSpopovich

Жыл бұрын

That reminds me of the artifact deck I made where I just get infinite mana, and my turn could on as long as I want and make as many tokens as I want.

@omicronixzerus2929

11 ай бұрын

it's not always about the damage spider man

@gabzsy4924

6 ай бұрын

This deck is all about the psychological damage.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from Magic the Gathering" -Arthur C. Clark

@janikarkkainen3904

4 жыл бұрын

Ahahaha oh god this made my day. Actually lolled.

@NotHPotter

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, it is as cool seeing a super nerd comment before it blows up.

@InnocuousRemark

4 жыл бұрын

Super nerd verified

@Sam_on_YouTube

4 жыл бұрын

I recently took my 25 year old (mostly Revised Edition) magic deck to play for the first time since then at a tournament. Every game was the weirdest I had ever seen. I almost won twice when my opponent had really bad luck.

@NotHPotter

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sam_on_KZread I grew up playing a ton of Magic, but ever since they added Planeswalkers, it's all become foreign to me.

When a blue player forgets to put a win condition in their deck.

@matheusrudzevicius6448

4 жыл бұрын

I mean when the code finishes, a few hundred turns in, he would win with coalition victory

@ThePeoplesWill

4 жыл бұрын

@@matheusrudzevicius6448 I think it is a bit more than a few hundred. It depends on the number of cards in his deck, times the # of times in a rotation a blue token is on his board. Pretty cool stuff.

@matheusrudzevicius6448

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThePeoplesWill oh yeah for sure, a few hundreads was the low end, it could be a lot more than that, turing machines tend to go trought a lot of states, especialy if the command is complex

@chanic4621

4 жыл бұрын

All counter spells and bounce spells. 0 win conditions besides making the opponent scoop. Maybe 4x oko to make a point

@Nanook128

4 жыл бұрын

@@chanic4621 Oko is a win con though.

Josh: "I play a forest" Kyle's Turing computer deck: *"Hold my beer"*

@RGC_animation

2 жыл бұрын

XD

@StephenDelRosario777

Жыл бұрын

*I simulate the birth, life and heat death of the universe*

@mr.voidroy6869

Жыл бұрын

Kyle's deck: I scoop 99% of the time.

@TheLoraxWithMjolnir

Жыл бұрын

lol

I like how answering Josh's question of "do you win" is actually impossible to answer without just going through the game until you do win (or someone gives up and concedes/"interrupts" the game), because of the halting problem.

@absobel

2 жыл бұрын

THIS IS HILARIOUS

@wm9482

2 жыл бұрын

Gods curse ye halting problem!

@Furavara

Жыл бұрын

Well, there is a logical way to answer, which kinda leads into the decision problem, but I digress: If none of the token makers are setup to make a blue token, he does not win. The game probably halts at some point due to the way forced cycles work in the rules, if the tape gets caught in an infinite loop

@HoxTop

Жыл бұрын

Not quite right: the halting problem says that there can be no algorithm that can determine whether a program halts for all programs, it does not mean that you cannot tell whether some specific program will halt (for example, you know a program that just prints "hello world!" will halt even without running it). In this case, the program is known (and is probably pretty simple), so we could probably deduce whether it halts or not without playing.

@magica3526

Жыл бұрын

@@HoxTop yeah exactly.

Teacher: Ight no calculators during the test The nerd in the back: *pulls out magic deck*

@TtNtnT

4 жыл бұрын

Still finishes before everyone else...

@Kafj302

4 жыл бұрын

I want to see someone becone proficient with this deck that they could do that.

@mtgskunkworx1671

4 жыл бұрын

@@Kafj302 it'll loop, but they don't really understand how to build a language to program it... Yet.

@angeldude101

3 жыл бұрын

I once asked a prof if an iClicker (a remote for answering questions during lectures) was allowed for the test. They said if I could use one to cheat then I'd probably deserve the mark anyways.

@NStripleseven

3 жыл бұрын

1 week later: Okay, so that's the first part of q1...

"But we need someone to play with" -1st move makes them unable to do anything.

@Dustquake

4 жыл бұрын

The villiany reveals itself. You must play with Kyle to sit in an endless loop of pass.

@zS39SBT4fe5Zp8Q

4 жыл бұрын

Yup it's magic

@ToabyToastbrot

4 жыл бұрын

@@Dustquake If setup right it isn't endless, the "Coalition Victory" should resolve once you got your solution.

@Arenuphis

4 жыл бұрын

a near endless loop then

@BYOBando

4 жыл бұрын

@@Arenuphis Well.... Near endless until opponent scoops. Which is the only action Jimmy and Josh could have still legally taken on any of their turns. Which I love because it's the metaphoric to now semi-literal throwing a wrench in the gears of the machine. Also shades of that famous computer/AI situation that computed the only solution to "win" was to not keep playing.

I like the flavor text on Coalition Victory literally saying "You can build a perfect machine out of imperfect parts". I wonder if Urza meant Turing machine at that moment ...

@52flyingbicycles

Жыл бұрын

Urza is so powerful he can destroy the fourth wall and the space time continuum

" What magic card deck do you use bro?" "I dont use my magic card deck, it uses me."

@kertkoljada1891

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an anime

@ChaojianZhang

2 жыл бұрын

👍

"I play a forest." "Coo, I play my deck."

@TheVinchenzo130

4 жыл бұрын

Half of all legacy games lol

@kostekrodenburg1977

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, I was waiting for the Swamp, Thoughtseize play, would have been extra fun

@MrMikado282

4 жыл бұрын

Legacy

@camaloncrack9737

4 жыл бұрын

I thought is was going to be a swamp into Thoughtseize 🤣

@derekwalter4238

4 жыл бұрын

I have a mono green edh deck that goes infinite and plays the whole deck. Usually takes a few turns to build up to it tho

After gaining infinite mana, drawing his entire deck, and exiling everything his opponent owns all on turn 1, Kyle proceeded to assemble a Turing Machine.

@Mrphilipjcook

4 жыл бұрын

Given he was going to do that, he didn't really need an opponent. Given the game ended when he exiled his opponents hand and library. I get it's a framing device, for his Turing device, but I found it a tad irritating 😅

@CassiePOE

4 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily true, maybe he needed to go second to draw a card on his turn? If his opponent was playing legacy meta, his opponent could win turn 1 instead with some other decks, in theory XD

@CruentusMessor

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mrphilipjcook He might have needed creatures to be on the board but not controlled by him

@beangorl7005

4 жыл бұрын

4rt_6uy I think there were set up creatures in there somewhere that prevented the immediate loss from not having a library but I'm not sure which

@Cangaroombi

4 жыл бұрын

@@beangorl7005 You don't lose from having an empty library. You lose only if you draw from an empty library, but since Recycle made Jimmy and Josh skip their draw step they couldn't lose from that. The game was in stalemate, no one could do any move other than passing.

Months from now: "Todd Howard to develop Skyrim for MtG Turing deck"

@niteliniN

2 жыл бұрын

it runs doom (93)

@kindredtoast3439

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. So Bethesda can release it again.

@bjstrife

2 жыл бұрын

They don't even need that. We already have DnD and Harry Potter sets, how long do you think it will take before we get an MtG Elder Scrolls crossover?

@elirave4027

Жыл бұрын

Well first things first, can it run doom?

@hamzamotara4304

16 күн бұрын

Next: Making digital MTG in MTG.

Just noticed the majority of the card that Kyle used were blue. Blue is so strong it can literally make a computer.

@kaja3932

Жыл бұрын

The biggest flavor win of all time

@timmyda1st191

8 ай бұрын

Blue is literally all about gaining knowledge, all of it. Infinitely

I love how having infinite mana and drawing your entire deck on turn one is the easy part 🤣

@reddeatharena9218

4 жыл бұрын

Of course

@BierBart12

4 жыл бұрын

TASTE THE RAINBOW

@Andarius

4 жыл бұрын

"In response, I cast Force of Will.".... "Fuck"

@yugioldchannel

4 жыл бұрын

Magic: Let’s you draw your entire deck Yugioh: Doesn’t let you use a card that draws 2 cards

@weberman173

4 жыл бұрын

@@yugioldchannel well thats because YGO and Magic have different Power Checks in place, yugioh dosnt have a "cost" system Inherent to all cards(some cards are restricted to once per turn, other are monsters thus must be summoned which is limited if normal summoned but its not a inherent thing) in Magic the advantage by having more cards in hand is neglitable, its still present BUT pure Card Advantage isnt as broken as in Yugioh, If you have a card in yugioh chandes are pretty good you can play it this turn, even better if its a Spell Card, in Magic do to the inherent check in place via Mana costs this is not the case. In yugioh if you Play Pot of Greed, you are doing 2-3 Things depending on Deck size, first you increase your starting hand by +1(if you draw it at start) ,if you play a 40 Card deck, no you dont you are playing a 39 Card Deck, And lastly You cycle Cards from the top of your deck faster then normaly possible. In Magic that isnt a big deal, the mana System keeps it in check, IN yugioh, this isnt the case, any card you gain, or even more so every card your deck is smaller will increase consisctency by leaps and bounds, as there are almost no situtions where a card is "dead" in your hand if your deck is build well, while in Magic that can happen do to the mana system,

Next Episode: Running Doom in a Magic: the Gathering Turing Machine.

@rakkazoid

4 жыл бұрын

There's been some real funny comments but this one topped it for me. Gg

@FirstLast-gm9nu

4 жыл бұрын

clearly the next thing to do is make nested turing machines. Running minecraft in pokemon yellow in microsoft powerpoint in magic the gathering.

@LordDragon1965

4 жыл бұрын

But can it run Crysis

@pie6029

4 жыл бұрын

@Ishmam Masud - Cuz I Can this is like watching your own livestream while the stream is running

@humanatee6639

4 жыл бұрын

Making a computer in minecraft on magic: the gathering

Playing solitaire with himself for 2 hours while preventing you to do anything and concede in the end - sounds like a classic UW-control experience :)

@VullVull

4 ай бұрын

Sounds like standard Yu-Gi-Oh

Teacher: no calculators Kyle: what about magic cards?

@underrated1524

2 жыл бұрын

Well, if you can run trillions of steps to compute anything of any importance before the class period ends, then you've earned your A.

@Hung_Nguyen_90

9 ай бұрын

Try Yugioh card. You could make a custom card and put a whole book in the card's effect and teacher wouldn't even notice.

@The-EJ-Factor

4 ай бұрын

at that point just use paper.

This was actually not the first stage of the study even! This was an optimization of it. The earlier stage required FOUR players, and it required players to not decline to use abilities that said "may". That was already impressive. The fact that they've optimized it to TWO players, and tournament legal, and no player choice is amazing.

@ChaojianZhang

2 жыл бұрын

This comment is underrated.

@mr.voidroy6869

Жыл бұрын

I want to make this deck as a joke and have a friend play me in friendly with the condition I stack my hand just so he can witness this.

@ChaoticNeutralMatt

Жыл бұрын

@@mr.voidroy6869 yes

@TheDavi2001

Жыл бұрын

1

@duellinksantimeta7636

Жыл бұрын

Maybe something like this can work in Yugioh xD

I love the fact that the flavor text of “coalition victory” (their win con/computer ender) is “you can build a perfect machine out of imperfect parts” which is pretty much what was done

@nemesis3295

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha good catch! I bet that is one of the reasons they put that card in. Nice little Easter egg.

The most amazing part about this in my opinion is that the program runs by itself once it is assembled, i.e. every action is forced. You could probably build a way simpler computer by using charge counters etc on lands and artifacts and tap / untap effects, but then the player would have to execute the algorithm by actively choosing the correct actions, which is then not sufficient for saying "mtg is turing complete". Also, using token creatures for the band and creature types for the symbols is hilarious and really smart at the same time.

@williambarnes5023

Жыл бұрын

Human Elf Lizard Lizard Octopus Wizard Octopus Rat Lizard Druid

@RevanReborn3950BBY

9 ай бұрын

@@williambarnes5023ah yes

Kyle: Grab SIXTY cards and meet me at the table Josh and Jimmy: We don't do that here

Son: hey daddy what is 2+2? Dad: ok son *pulls out a deck of cards* I'll tell you in 18 hours

@johnfranklin87

4 жыл бұрын

Lmfao . . 18 hrs later "Daddy whats 2x2"

@Fiftycentis

4 жыл бұрын

one day later "here son, the result is 5... oh, i mistriggered something... let's do it again!"

@tylercsm4690

4 жыл бұрын

Charles Crawford do you even understand the point of common core , or do you just talk shit because your an idiot

@xenotronia6681

4 жыл бұрын

@@tylercsm4690 Common core has seventh graders adding and subtracting negative numbers.

@WindchaserX

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnfranklin87 ok i'll explain in 18 hrs x 18 hrs.

This is almost literally the ProZD skits about Magic the Gathering.

@HUNKragor

4 жыл бұрын

Cheese cow

@edwardfeldman3533

4 жыл бұрын

Black Brie

@Wolfeur

4 жыл бұрын

@@HUNKragor I like Cool Cow…because it's cool

@cractor6307

4 жыл бұрын

IM MOOING INFINITE

@ExHyperion

2 жыл бұрын

This is just the cheese tasting phase

How long do you think it will be before someone simulates Magic: The Gathering inside of Magic: The Gathering?

@lavandieredenoz

Жыл бұрын

Probably hundred of years

@kazikmajster5650

Жыл бұрын

Mtg needs randomness. W8 DIGITS OF π CAN BE USED FOR THAT!

@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275

9 ай бұрын

We're limited by the technology of our time. We only have a memory of 60 cards, and need at least 200 kiloCards

@RevanReborn3950BBY

9 ай бұрын

@@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275lol

@CErra310

9 ай бұрын

There's a card that does that

yeah but can it run doom?

@laegeos5411

16 күн бұрын

You speak pretty reasonable

> "I made a Computer in MTG!" "Is it bl-" > "..it's blue."

@rendermangl

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha 🤣

@Sunomis

4 жыл бұрын

It's deep blue.

@yohumanfrisk

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly tho! But the funny thing is... It appears that the deck was majorly Black!

@taintedmyth0s636

4 жыл бұрын

Of course it would be blue. I wasn't even surprised lol

@07011111111

4 жыл бұрын

@@yohumanfrisk it's all colors

Kyle: let me explain how this game is a computer Magic player: judge!

@Sihgilanu

4 жыл бұрын

this shit right here A: "i gain two mana from this card, to cast these two cards" B: ... A: "i sack those two cards to cast this card, which i gain three mana from" B: ... A: "i cast this enchant to reduce the tap cost from the three-mana-gain card to two mana, giving me infinite mana" B: ..."oh god... no..." A: "i then cast this card, which allows me to transform that mana into every color, giving me an infinite amount of every color mana" B: "please... i just want to play ONE game!" A: "i then exile your deck and hand, and draw my entire deck" B: "deaR GOD WHY?!" A: "i then win the game by dealing an infinite amount of damage to you"

@kindlin

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sihgilanu Omg, this was great.

@PT8Sceptile

4 жыл бұрын

What if the person making the computer sets it up to check for counterexamples to eg. Goldbach's conjecture up until some incomprehensibly large number, and then depending on the result either halt or enter an infinite loop? Therefore making the outcome of the game into an unsolved mathematical problem? Might be a slightly more interesting day than average for the judge in question.

@wildworld6641

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sihgilanu so....vintage? Theres your problem right there!

@urbypilot2136

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sihgilanu I remember an urban legend about a blue deck involving a Black Lotus, a card that had a time-loop effect allowing you to regain said Black Lotus, and a card that made the target draw a number of cards by the amount of mana expended. The end result was you targeted the opponent forcing the, to draw their entire deck in their hand, which of course would result in it being discarded because you can only have 7 cards in your hand. Next turn, opponent can't draw, and then lose. It was said that this combo was banned and tourney rules were changed to prevent this kind of exploit. Edit: I admit to making this comment before fully watching this video. Now I'm not sure if the aforementioned "urban legend deck" is what Kyle played, as I can't recall of the top of my head what the other components are.

The amount of work that must have gone into this Research Paper if absolutely astonishing. I don't even know how to begin with such a huge task, insane

I think the scariest part is the "Legacy Legal" aspect. Imagine a pro player getting the perfect hand and assembling Robo Cop

"Legacy legal deck." Force of Will: "I'm about to crash this man's whole computer!"

@pohatunuva3771

4 жыл бұрын

Underrated game, wish it was popular in my area. Played a few rounds with my buddies, pretty darn fun.

@ridleypuff2706

4 жыл бұрын

@@pohatunuva3771 i think he meant the card force of will, not the game

@pohatunuva3771

4 жыл бұрын

@@ridleypuff2706 This is a certified bruh moment. I think I still prefer my anime card game over this one card. Like how you can't get landlocked in FoW.

@Bluejake3

4 жыл бұрын

Turn 1 Thoughtseize: "I'm sorry, your computer can't boot"

@cavejohnson4054

3 жыл бұрын

Force of will - literally blue screen of death

You can treat the colors as a base 6 number system with colorless being 0. As the colors in MTG have a specific order they show up in you get: C: 0 W: 1 U: 2 B: 3 R: 4 G: 5 This means that you can encode data in Base 6 instead of base 2 like an electronic computer as each bit has 6 different states. This would significantly lower the length of tape for math operations when compared to Base 2. So in order to add 2+2 your valid output bit would be R. If you want to get really granular with numbers you could use the first letter of each token name as well this would let you use base 26 or base 6 (assuming you can make tokens that start with each letter of the alphabet.)

@FredDino

8 ай бұрын

Actually, you can do it with each creature type that is nonessential to the functioning of the machine. Seeing as there are 281 creature types, and assuming Assembly-Worker is the only type that prevents the head reading, you could do calculations in base-280.

@noone-ss8lu

6 ай бұрын

@@FredDino you two are about to have a real nerd off to see who is the king math dork

I love how Kyle is a goofball but he gets REALLY serious while playing

*Start Game* *30 hours later* "...I win." "...also my deck counted to 4."

@Lawrence330

4 жыл бұрын

@Orlando Rotundo That's a different game...

@Aedi

4 жыл бұрын

"my deck calculated that you lose"

@andrewsparkes8829

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like an EDH game I was in the other week...

@starner00

4 жыл бұрын

Orlando Rotundo It would eventually win with Coalition Victory, because he’ll eventually get every color creature token. It’ll probably take another 10 cycles to get there though.

This is quite possibly the absolute nerdiest thing that has ever happened ever

@Luckingsworth

4 жыл бұрын

@Johnston Steiner That I feel is the ultimate outcome of this Expiriment. Doing all this in a Sharazad subgame to enact an outcome in a real game.

Them: “What does this deck do?” Me: “Your taxes.”

I love how Kyle is the perfect embodiment of Izzet

Imagine Kyle at a high stakes tournament explaining his magic Turing machine instead of actually playing the game

@Pyoromo

4 жыл бұрын

Lost because of slow play from a judge call.

@alamdaali8776

4 жыл бұрын

Magic tournaments are now over with this.. they have to be, right?

@alamdaali8776

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pyoromo is that a real thing? whoa so this cannot be applied?

@siks667

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine Kyle entering world's with Turing deck and somehow despite professional and anonymous shuffling, he gets first place because before he can even take any of the win conditions the opponents scoop when their hand and field are exiled

@TechandDoc

4 жыл бұрын

@@Pyoromo Technically since he passes his turn almost immediately that would not apply.

Next up: *"I CAN RUN DOOM ON MAGIC THE GATHERING"*

@FantasKanal

4 жыл бұрын

Nobody Todd Howard: Skyrim will now be available in Magic the Gathering

@markfergerson2145

4 жыл бұрын

No, this means you can run *any game* on MTG.

@tj5100

4 жыл бұрын

@@markfergerson2145 Even Fortnite 😂😂😂

@Halesnaxlors

4 жыл бұрын

@@tj5100 Yeah, but you'd need a lot of cards. And the frame rate would be pretty shit to say the least

@Flickstro

4 жыл бұрын

Just try not to run Crysis, or your deck will spontaneously combust.

Imagine if the one game he had the combo, Josh said "Turn 1, thought seize"

Kyle: the head can read, replace, move symbols with programming Me: I took c++ for granted

Turn one: forest, pass Me: what kind of legacy game is this? Turn one: infinite coloured mana of every colour Me: Ah yes, this is more like it

@cheeseymann

4 жыл бұрын

Get a howling mine, library of leng, the urzas and racks and you've started a badass black deck

@Brawler_1337

4 жыл бұрын

I know. Josh could have at least gone Forest into Heritage Druid to at least make it look like he’s playing Elves.

@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece

4 жыл бұрын

Don't mock my forest swamp as lazy design just because it is just strictly better then either! Oh, sorry you where talking about the power 9. Good old days when they didn't know jack about balance. WotC in 1993: "draw 3 cards? 1 mana seems fine. extra turn? Uh, that sound heavy, make it 2. gaining 3 mana? i think 0 is balanced." The meta: "Wat? Do you sometimes stop and listen to yourself?! Or do you just pull shit out your ass as you go?" For people who don't know magic: And by the rules of the format he plays those cards aren't even legal. Lotus Petal(what he used) is strictly a powered down version of the Black Lotus the mentioned 3 mana for 0.

@dragonmaster613

4 жыл бұрын

How is this legal?

@parkerpope1163

4 жыл бұрын

@@dragonmaster613 I will make it legal

Never have I been so lost on an episode of Because Science.

@roberthunter5059

4 жыл бұрын

I have taken multiple courses in computer design, and I'm lost. I think it's the fact that I've never played Magic.

@kayagoksoy

4 жыл бұрын

At some point I just phased out...

@zemorph42

4 жыл бұрын

I've played Magic, let's see if I can help you after I watch. However, for me, that's a big "if". Restarting the video now.

@TinaBojan

4 жыл бұрын

I agree that it must be a lack of Magic: The Gathering knowedge. I'm an adjunct instructor in the Computer Science department of a university, and I was only able to follow along until the cards came out. I still plan to share the video with my students. 😉

@tdrrr4337

4 жыл бұрын

@@kayagoksoy i see what you did there

Having played with an infinite deck for a while, that moment when you complete the combo and just say " so here is the rest of the game..." The look you get is priceless. I also love to name a random and arbitrary number instead of just infinite, just for fun. "I draw my deck." Never gets old lol.

I feel like the "I can fit through the Doggy Door." was off script and I love it

Just the way Richard Garfield intended.

@Space_Potat

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@davideranieri5553

4 жыл бұрын

Well Richard Garfield PhD is a mathematician, so this is in fact the way he intended

Dr. Churchill: "I'm going to build a Turing Machine inside M:tG." Assistant: "My lord, is that legal?" Dr. Churchill: "I will *make* it [legacy] legal." *plays Power Artifact on Grim Monolith* U N L I M I T E D P O W A A A A A H ! ! ! !

@jerryhoffman4645

4 жыл бұрын

Justin Lathem I do that in Commander.... I'mma dick

@skilz8098

4 жыл бұрын

With only 4 lands the probability of getting the perfect hand on the first draw... 0.000000000000000001%

@BeadyCosine

4 жыл бұрын

I have a bad feeling about this

Kyle... This. Was. AWESOME! Just a couple of things that might make it a bit clearer for someone watching without a background in CS: 1. I'm assuming the phasing thing is to simulate the alternation of READ and EXECUTE phases of the Turing machine. When you do the explanation of the Turing machine in the beginning, you kind of breeze over that part. 2. All of the setup is simply to make your opponent into the tape and clock (phasing) parts of the machine, and to then reduce the board state to the necessary parts to make the machine work. I'm not sure you point that out well enough for people to realize what's going on when you're doing all that initial stuff (Karn, etc). 3. Big props to Josh and Jimmy, who I thought did a good job pointing out that their turn simply consisted of those state updates, and nothing else. Seriously though, instant sub! I can't wait for more!

I know nothing about this game, but watching him draw the entire deck on his turn just has an aura of power. the ultimate flex. Just so casual: so now I have infinity of everything and I draw my deck.

@DefaultMii

Жыл бұрын

Infinite combos aren't uncommon but also not consistent

@ShriekingLlamas

Жыл бұрын

@@DefaultMii I have no memory of this place…

“How does he keep getting in here?” “I c a n f i t t h r o u g h t h e d o g g i e d o o r....”

"I can take this deck to a tournament!" "Please don't" me: Please do!

@_e621

4 жыл бұрын

I would want to see someone do that

@Kafj302

4 жыл бұрын

We all want to see this. Omg imagine if multiple people brought the same deck.

@PaintsAreOp

4 жыл бұрын

He needs to have the exact cards in his hand for this to work and you have to shuffle your deck in a tournament.

@carlbutcher2268

4 жыл бұрын

Judge: "Disqualified."

@Aisuprism

4 жыл бұрын

I would bring it try to cheat to get the hand do the whole thing then scoop.

Having never played this game, I honestly have no clue what I just watched. However, and maybe even strangely, I still really enjoyed this video. You have such a gift for science communication. Fantastic stuff!

@collinbeal

Жыл бұрын

Anybody who has played this game has no idea what they just watched. It would probably take me an entire day to fully figure out how this works as someone who knows how the game works.

@TriggeredLimey

Жыл бұрын

@@collinbeal That makes me feel much better about myself! Thanks! 🤣

19:56 "So, do you win or what?" "Like in this game?" "Yeah...like does it just keep going or..." "I don't know (I scoop)" That's a nice reference to the Halting Problem you have there...

Nerds: computer in minecraft Super nerds: computer in a card Game

@epicgamer-ny4fj

4 жыл бұрын

Omega nerd: computer out of pokemon card game

@sharpfang

4 жыл бұрын

If you can afford it. The deck to assemble the Turing Machine probably costs more than a top notch gaming PC.

@davidstorrs

4 жыл бұрын

Super super SOOOOPER nerds: Use a card game to implement a computer that implements Minecraft that implements a computer. (Yes, it's theoretically possible!)

@rustycox7741

4 жыл бұрын

JeremyzijdelYT Spider Solitaire: Card game in a computer

me to my computer deck: "run win.exe" my opponent: "it runs windows?" me: "no, it calculates how to win the game"

@xLoLRaven

4 жыл бұрын

Insta wins feel so cheap when you lose, but so satisfying when you're the one to pull it off.

@Krescentwolf

4 жыл бұрын

Insta wins and Infinite loops are indeed so satifying to pull off XD

@siks667

4 жыл бұрын

See what's fun is when they have an infinite loop to ping everyone down one by one, and as they aim at you or at a point where everyone else is gone, you interrupt and crash their loop to take the win.

@tuckertooley174

4 жыл бұрын

It does run doom though

I love how Thor passionately explains how a magic board game can theoretically become a computer

Yugioh players on the first turn:

@koalamangames8438

11 күн бұрын

IK right I tried Yugioh and it was just “I summon my one star” and then in 5 seconds it would be “I XYZ summon god you die”

In a calculus exam... Everybody: _Pulls out a calculator_ Me: *Pulls out a deck of cards*

@mightybatillo

4 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@Space_Potat

4 жыл бұрын

You’ll also need a classmate xD

@Space_Potat

4 жыл бұрын

Not really

@Space_Potat

4 жыл бұрын

But

@Space_Potat

4 жыл бұрын

Idk

"I'm only running 4 lands." Sounds like Legacy alright.

@Jolteon0163

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew White that’s either way too few or way too many. (1 land for belcher, 12 for other combo decks, 18ish for blue decks, or 22-24 for non blue decks)

@jeffshackleford3152

4 жыл бұрын

Was about to comment this

@davispo7550

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jolteon0163 0 for manaless dredge!

@gwendlyndicorci1488

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jolteon0163 imagine forgetting about dredge

@Jolteon0163

4 жыл бұрын

Regular dredge falls into the 12 land category but mana less dredge is 0 land, you right

20:00 "So does it just keep going, or what?" Yeah, about that...

Only a true magic player would know that Assembly worker is the first creature type you see in alphabetical order when you name a card in mtga, so when it doesn't matter that's always what you name.

@Hunted0LessShirt

Жыл бұрын

Now I wish he somehow included a "Sarpadian Empires, Vol. VII" reference in there somewhere :D

This is a level of nerdiness I couldn't even imagine.

@bad-am3805

4 жыл бұрын

Welcome to Magic. I started playing in 1997. And it gets super nerdy.

@alamdaali8776

4 жыл бұрын

RIIIIGHT? HOW THE FCK DID HE EVEN LEARN AND EXPLAINEDDD ALL OF THAT WTFFFFFFFFFHHHH

@qpSubZeroqp

4 жыл бұрын

And I love it!

@questiongod6303

4 жыл бұрын

If means you’re not bright

@elzabig1

4 жыл бұрын

I wish I had the passion to be as nerdy as some people are with stuff like this

Me: I play a basic forest, pass. Kyle: I will proceed to play my whole deck and make a computer! Me: Force of Will, nope, welcome to legacy.

@feudaltrinity7831

4 жыл бұрын

Nyft sadly unless he had something similar enough I his hand to trigger the computation that’s all it would take to destroy the entire deck 😭😭😭

@reidyo5404

4 жыл бұрын

TinyboxTim well that and him never drawing the right combo of cards lol

@ultraatari9298

4 жыл бұрын

You could just play pauper or penny format. That's like Flash or something

@nyft3352

4 жыл бұрын

@@ultraatari9298 i prefer the good old EDH, i never get tired of janky memes

@jonathanschmidt1845

4 жыл бұрын

SNOW COVERED FOREST ocd cured

For some time now, when teaching magic to new players I've been using the analogy that the rules are the 'operating system' and the cards are the 'programs'. This is because at some point I received a complaint while teaching, which was "you told me the rules, but then keep changing them!". This was of course due to playing cards with static abilities that modify how the game operates. Think Exploration or Teferi. Pretty fitting analogy imo. I will say.. it never surprised me that magic was Turing complete, but I will admit this is more complicated than I expected lol

Would love to see how this whole process would look in MTG Arena!

@marcoreyes582

Жыл бұрын

The cards are not in Arena and if they were I'm pretty sure it would crash, MTGO maybe could handle and the cards are there

"...but I still need to perform seventeen other steps..." You sound like everyone in my EDH group.

"you could do math with a magic game" "so what would you need for that?" "...math"

"So after all this... what does the deck actually do?" "Oh I programmed it to run MTG: Arena. Wanna play a game?"

I actually made a deck that does exponential growth using 2 cathar's crusade, 2 angel of thune, 2 mycoloth and 4 soul warden. It dies instantly to tainted remedy, but getting it set up and watching tokens and life hit nonillions within a few turns is hilarious. Best part was it was consistent... it routinely dumped all the components to the field by turn 6.

Just think that someone actually went "hey you know what I'm going to research for my PHD?"

@anneharrison1849

4 жыл бұрын

Actually that's not how it came about, Alex doesn't have a PhD, he did this for fun, so even more respect!

@mojibake6961

4 жыл бұрын

@@anneharrison1849 it's just a joke, dont take it literally.

But can it run DOOM?

@monhunterz5430

4 жыл бұрын

Can you run DOOM on a calculator?

@clambo7786

4 жыл бұрын

@@monhunterz5430 yes

@gonzalovittori661

4 жыл бұрын

Technically yes. IT would be slow af, but yes xD

@stormanator01

4 жыл бұрын

Technically speaking yeah

@williameldridge9382

4 жыл бұрын

Fuck Doom, can it run Crysis?!

"I like when you passed the turn and I couldn't do anything" Yeah. That sounds like playing magic to me. Fun

At 3:11 the symbols drawn on the screen are the mana cost for playing Niv-Mizzet. I see what you did there Kyle.

"[...] to draw the entirety of my deck." Wait what?

@noneofyourbusiness9428

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that happens sometimes in Magic.

@mrmcawesome9746

4 жыл бұрын

Step 1: Draw 1 Step 2: If there's cards in deck, repeat step 1, if not, proceed

@Gojin91

4 жыл бұрын

It's a common strategy in certain decks which use blue cards, mainly Laboratory Maniac, which changes the loss condition drawing from your deck with 0 cards into a win condition using cards like Omnicience and Enter the Infinite to play cards without paying their mana costs and to draw your entire deck respectively.

@TinkeringBard

4 жыл бұрын

I built a deck based off of the concept of drawing my entire deck while having multiple jace's erasures to destroy someone elses deck and force a loss

@Matteo_the_Plague_Doctor

4 жыл бұрын

Drawing your whole deck is not actually that hard in Magic. There's a bunch of combos(interactions between two or more cards) that do it.

And now... After Because Science and Because Space, here comes... ...Because Magic!!!

@shindoko

4 жыл бұрын

One Piece NaKaMa Production and thus begins the Choas Confetti that was Kyle's mind

@skit4471

4 жыл бұрын

11/10 would definitly watch.

@Fadeddeath

4 жыл бұрын

No, Kyle himself has already said, "never Because Magic!" Because MTG maybe, but a distinction is required.

We definitely need a simulation environnement of this machine, in which we can step by step or let run the machine when it's fully deployed and that everything is forced. (actually it's not that hard to code, as it's just some conditional hardcode with the few cards on boards). (And it's fun to have to simulate with a real computer, a computer made of cards)

This is the best magic video ever made and will never be topped, your channel has my eternal subscription due to this!

Kyle: "I told you that's weirdest game of magic you've ever seen" Me: "That was the only game of magic I've seen but I am both confused and interested"

@Drejzer

4 жыл бұрын

Thus, it was trivial to prove that it was the weirdest one you've seen.

@davidpeabody3429

4 жыл бұрын

Magic is awesome. I love it. I think if you like it you should try it its absolutley great

@CyberGenesis1

4 жыл бұрын

MTG Arena is free to play - go nuts (please dont use this insanity as an idea of how the game works)

@Kartoffelkamm

4 жыл бұрын

Well, MTG Arena is free, and online, and as long as you don´t play black or blue it´s fun for everyone involved.

@Krishnath.Dragon

4 жыл бұрын

If you like science and the fantasy genre, you will love Magic: The Gathering.

"I built a computer out of Magic cards!" That's cool, but can it run Crysis?

@Zantatoes

4 жыл бұрын

Theoretically, yes!

@EvanFarshadow

4 жыл бұрын

Can it run Doom though?

@ParanoeX

4 жыл бұрын

you can run any video game on it. you just need to know the game's internal code. but to even get to the first frame of the first loading screen, probably even calculating the first pixel would take thousands of years. it would take the universe to die and be reborn multiple times before you have even gotten to play one full frame of the game.

@Aedi

4 жыл бұрын

Please, this is new territory. At least let them program Doom first. it can definitely run crysis, but programming it...

@djsona5428

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, but given how slow it computes, you'd get like a frame a decade.

I literally couldn't even tell you the fundamentals of Magic, and yet I found this video so fascinating. Bravo

2:34 i love how you just left blue as it was and erase white, clearly a very good comprehension of mtg lore

"IT'S ABOUT THE SCIENCE BOYS, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE WINS!" Best excuse for losing. XD

Me: Brainfuck is the most stupid programming language ever. Kyle: *Makes a computer out of playing cards*

@Gemini476

4 жыл бұрын

Brainfuck isn't even that stupid, it's literally just "move pointer left", "move pointer right", "add 1", "subtract 1", "start a loop", "if the pointer is on a 0, go back to the start of the loop", "directly input a number", and "output a number". Things get complicated since it's so simplistic, but it's not *stupid*. Now Malebolge, on the other hand, where the code encodes itself as you run it? Yeah, that's just stupid (and evil).

@Drejzer

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gemini476 that sounds evil... well... the name checks out

@lumps17

4 жыл бұрын

Try Malbolge

@Palparepa

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gemini476 try INTERCAL

@skilz8098

4 жыл бұрын

@KRYMauL Assembly is not stupid. Assembly is how software communicated directly in hardware. For example the CPU will fetch the first address in memory and bring it into it's internal instruction register. Whatever is stored in this instruction register will get executed. Let's say we have assembly code that is something like mov r1, #12. This would move the immediate value of 12 into register r1 which is register that is available to the ALU within the processor. The opp code or machine code depending on size might be something like this in a 16 bit system: 0100100000001100 Here we can separate the bits into signal patterns: 01 001 000 0000-1100. The first 2 most significant bits could represents that it is a move instruction {01}, the next 3 bits represents that we are going to use register r1 to store or move the contents into represented by {001} the next three bits represents the addressing mode and in this case {000} would be immediate mode. The last 8 bits 0000-1100 would be the actual immediate value of 12 in binary that is going to be stored into r1. Then we could have on the next line in assembly mov r2, $20 which could mean take what is in address 20 and move it into register r2. This op code might look something like 01 010 001 0001 0100. Here the {01} is a move instruction, the 010 is using register 2 since 10 is 2 in binary, the next three bits 001 is now in direct address mode so the next bits 0001 0100 which is 20 in binary will look to see what is in memory at the memory address 20 (this is main memory or cache) and store its value into r2. Then on the next assembly instruction we could have something like add r3, r2, r1. The instruction code here might look something like 00 011 010 001 00001. In this case the first two bits which is 00 could represent an ALU instruction but we don't know what it is yet, The next three bits {011} would be the destination register r3, the two operands are would be {010} and {001} respectively which would be choosing registers r2 and r1 and send them to the ALU. The very last bit of a 1 at the end could mean that it is a control signal to the ALU to add the two input data paths and the destination was already set by {011} for r3. Without assembly you would have no way to talk to the hardware directly. Even high level languages regardless if they are compiled or interpreted, simulated etc. behind the scenes are converted into either assembly instructions very efficiently or into direct byte or opcodes to the targeted machine. Then the assembler will convert the assembly instructions into a binary file of all 0s and 1s that the computer or CPU can then process! Assembly is not stupid. Is it difficult yes it can be if you don't know what you are looking at or doing, but is it stupid? No! It is quite ingenious and very sophisticated to allow the programming of a computer much easier. I'd like to see you write a 500MB application in nothing but 0s and 1s by using only the architectures opcodes. Good Luck! Even advanced languages such as C/C++ Java, C# and Python wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Assembly! You also stated "Why do I have to move everything by reference"? Because when you write in assembly you are dealing with the hardware directly and when you are working with the hardware you have to load values into registers, set the data paths for either the arithmetic or logic operations, check the status flags, or do branching conditions for control flow. You have to assign memory addresses and you have to calculate them accurately. You have to handle the stack pointer and other special registers for handling function calls and return from functions calls or loops (block statements). You have to handle I/O operations and interrupts. You have to handle some exceptions where the Assembler, Compiler and OS will handle others for your. You have to know how to do pointer arithmetic and know how to assign memory address and how and when to access them. For example a block of code in C/C++ that looks like this: for ( int i = 0; i //std::cout

The craziest part of this is to surrender every time and not just mulligan

Imagine if Josh or jimmy just played force of will on the grim monolith

"But it doesn't do anything!" "No, it does nothing"

@clee8768

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta be one of my favorite cards and flavor texts.

@HUNKragor

4 жыл бұрын

Which card?

@pain648

4 жыл бұрын

It's null road

@HUNKragor

4 жыл бұрын

@@pain648 cool thx I thought it was an Un card, sounded like it

1943: "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." 2019: "I Built a COMPUTER in Magic: The Gathering"

@KnownAsKenji

4 жыл бұрын

This isn't a computer, it's an abacus. This invention has existed for over 3000 years.

@Silamon2

4 жыл бұрын

@@KnownAsKenji I think you maybe completely missed the point of the video... Also it is not an abacus, an abacus can add or subtract, that deck was calculating specific variables to get a desired result, aka executing a program. You can do that with an abacus too, or even a pencil and paper, but that does not make them computers. Technically the deck is not a computer either though, since the person controlling the deck is the one actually doing the calculations, just like with the abacus or the pencil and paper. In the end the only computer displayed here was the person playing the cards.

@Quintinohthree

4 жыл бұрын

@@Silamon2 Except no person is actually making decisions in the game once the computer is assembled and programmed. Every decision is made by the cards themselves and the players are merely executing those decisions, therefore making it so that the game is doing the actual computations, not the players.

@yohumanfrisk

4 жыл бұрын

@@Quintinohthree Thank you! I was just about to make the same point!

@MatthewCampbell765

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the 1943 quote is taken out of context. The person saying it isn't referring to all computers, ever, they're referring to a specific type of computer they'd made that they were planning on selling around 5 of.

"This deck has no wincon." *Storm has entered the chat*

1:00 - everything about this tells me you are a true MtG nerd. Love it!

16:07 "You can build a perfect machine out of imperfect parts." -Urza

@zackblast2656

4 жыл бұрын

Oh the irony

"See dad? I'm not wasting my money on cardboard! It's computer science!"

Love that after the initial setup it's blue cards that do the operations. Control, baby

reminds me of a deck a played a long time ago where you did a similar set up at the beginning but the only action your opponent has is to activate door to nothing targeting themself instead of your opponent not having any actions. It was fun and worked.

TIL it's theoretically possible for a game of Magic to run an AI that plays another game of Magic. ...Magic can literally play itself

@SangerZonvolt

4 жыл бұрын

Not really, since this is a turing machine, but an AI computer needs a bit more. For example this setup has no way to really safe and load states on demand. There is no RAM. I am not well versed on the matter to tell if it would be possible if you had a sufficient number of games interacting with each other. But I dont think so.

@raymondkertezc364

4 жыл бұрын

We already have Shahrazad gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?name=Shahrazad

@dimanarinull9122

4 жыл бұрын

you know that there are other decks like that, even some that are actually easy to play.

@sharpfang

4 жыл бұрын

@jshowa o The computer though, has no I/O. It has the initial state and the end state but you can't modify it interactively.

@sharpfang

4 жыл бұрын

@jshowa oEven if you play that as AI vs AI with preset, pre-shuffled decks there's no way to actually shuffle the deck if a card tells you to - no good source of entropy to seed the RNG. All input, including the random seed would be pre-determined and same tape would always produce same result, even where in real game luck of the draw would be the deciding factor.

Wow, this is perhaps the third most complicated magic deck I've seen to date.

@stormallen1490

4 жыл бұрын

Ah, but with the right inputs, you can make an entire game of magic inside the deck, and then assemble those more complicated decks.

@christopherbrickey3514

4 жыл бұрын

Was Four Horsemen one of the top two?

@claytonharring8514

4 жыл бұрын

It's actually not that complex

@theotherfanboy

4 жыл бұрын

Eggs was the godamn worst. But wow what an awesome deck.

I'd love to see a budget ($500 or less) and competitive decklist for this deck! 🙂

The French Navy trained us how to turn some graph paper into a circular slide rule that performed Eklund ranging calculations almost instantly replacing the HP minicomputer that we were using for tracking at the time.