There needs to be a mod where if there are too many entertainers, the guests say "this feels like a furry convention" and their happiness levels go in random directions.

@possum1238

2 жыл бұрын

your park received an award for being "the park that feels most like a furry convention"!

@baksoBoy

2 жыл бұрын

the fact that the happiness goes in a random direction instead of a specific one is hilarious to me

@Ukiby3000

2 жыл бұрын

@@baksoBoy Time to track down who's a furry on your park!

@Akrna47

2 жыл бұрын

@@baksoBoy some weirdos are into that stuff

@baksoBoy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Akrna47 are you stupid? Of course some people are "into thar stuff". Why would the happiness bar go in a random direction (including up) if that wasn't the case? That is literally what I just said...

"But I like death" That wasn't scripted Marcel. That was the collective Hive Mind of RCT2 players using you as a conduit.

@MarcelVos

2 жыл бұрын

You're actually right. The "and without any death, but I like death" wasn't in the script.

@fuzz1252

2 жыл бұрын

Well it depends on the context but unwanted there in your park was on purpose

@ehtuanK

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcelVos The 4D cinemas would have been more space efficient with 65 cinemas instead of 56 coasters per layer: One row of 10 cinemas on one side (leaving a 3x2 area for the stairs), from which 5 rows of 9 cinemas shoot off, with one of these rows sprouting 5 rows of 2 cinemas. You can also put another maze above the park entrance, and if you move the park entrance by one space you can also place one beside it.

@Tahngarthor

Жыл бұрын

@@ehtuanK I'm pretty sure the 3D cinema is taller though, reducing the vertical space available is problematic.

His script writing is getting so good, both in terms of humor and how clearly he breaks down the game mechanics and scenarios, I'm always looking forward to the next video

@RoysGamingGarret

2 жыл бұрын

This is something I noticed overtime and I’m glad I’m not insane for thinking this.

@TerryTags

2 жыл бұрын

@Cole M same.

I love that there's just wilderness around the park. Imagine you're hiking one day and you stumble upon the Amusement Cylinder in the middle of the woods. Nothing surrounding it. Just a massive block of scaffolding and Roto-Drops.

@silverbeach1557

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe this is what Stonehenge really was.

@jefffinkbonner9551

Жыл бұрын

@@silverbeach1557 Stonehenge being what's left of a merry go round after it bumpy fast spun itself into out of tune oblivion is definitely the most plausible theory on what the ancient circular site really was.

@jlco

Жыл бұрын

Ah, yes, The Amusement Cylinder. Made up of hundreds of smaller amusement cylinders.

@lautrufend

Жыл бұрын

“Roto-Drop 174 is a really good value.”

@tbotalpha8133

9 ай бұрын

The Fun Block

My guess with the entertainers is, that they have issues leaving the corner, because of the entrances and exits of the rides on their left side. Seems to be the same pathing issues that you explained in the maze ride overview (or sth. similar) to trap people inside the ride.

@BrianWoodruff-Jr

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same about the mazes too

@OntarioTrafficMan

2 жыл бұрын

This was my thought as well, but why isn't it also happening to the guests?

@petemagnuson7357

2 жыл бұрын

@@OntarioTrafficMan looks like the entertainers are wandering aimlessly and randomly walking into the rides, while the guests walk long distances without entering anything. Probably just a different pathfinding method, or even no pathfinding

@Duvelthehobbit

2 жыл бұрын

The developers of OpenRCT2 changed the path finding algorithm so this isn't an issue any more unless they didn't change it for the entertainers.

@Bedinsis

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a reasonable guess.

Imagine going to a theme park and there’s just 1000 mazes and coasters and rotodrops in a huge clump that you probably won’t be able to escape from after you go up more than 3 layers

@theghostofthomasjenkins9643

2 жыл бұрын

where can i buy a ticket?

@Roman500

2 жыл бұрын

Id just go for the furry convention.

@Everyyoueverymiau

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roman500 Same 🤣

@jamez6398

2 жыл бұрын

If you can go up more than 3 layers, you're a lot, lot fitter than I am. I could up to layer 3 and that's it...

@chaoslemonrollerposting5063

2 жыл бұрын

Nowhere near this, but I believe the closest you'll get to anything remotely similar irl is Liseberg

quick trick with the entertainers, if you set their patrol area to a different area and manually drag them to different layers they will stay there... assuming that the patrol grid is split up to do so. also was not expecting that "furry convention" line 10/10

@MarcelVos

2 жыл бұрын

I could've done that, but this was way funnier.

@Roman500

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcelVos Marcel is een furry #gotem

@sonicshaman2997

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcelVos you mean furrier

@TS_Mind_Swept

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcelVos lmbo, fair

@RatelHBadger

Жыл бұрын

I believe the patrol area is set by horizontal space only, so if you set an area to the outer corner, that staff member can only patrol that space. You can of course stack multiple staff in the same horizontal area, so have staff in the same patch of path but on different layers. You almost need to have them restricted to the area by the ramps, so they can go up and down levels as they please, just can't get clogged in one dead end alley.

i love how this specific challenge allowed him to discover a glitch that probably no-one has ever seen before, and then figure out exactly what causes it, both times by accident.

"I would really like to know what makes that corner so great to be in." Well, obviously, what makes it so great is all the entertainers that are there!

marcel vos finding bugs in rct2 while doing something no sane person would do: the movie

I love how he always asks, "If anyone else can make this work, please let me know" as if someone else is going to get anywhere near attempting something even MORE ridiculous/awesome than what he just did. Great video as always!

@MarcelVos

2 жыл бұрын

Actually quite a few people in my Discord server have been trying and I think have already succeeded.

@tormstorm3977

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcelVos Then you truly do have an amazing community! Keep up the great work

This is so funny. "The vehicles see the Top section, think it´s their own" "they get confused and confused and crash" Very nice.

“If I wanted, I could just build them all first and then open them afterwards without any issues and without any death… …but I like death.” 9:56

@stevenschiro1838

2 жыл бұрын

that needs to be on a plaque

7:07 I love how there's a bunch of puke on the path even though these rides barely move at all. Also, really interesting glitch with the roto drops. Never underestimate the power of those ghost pieces!

@silverbeach1557

2 жыл бұрын

I'd get sick just being in this place, too. The map pamphlet must look like a Magic Eye poster.

@WaaDoku

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's probably just the park itself that's making people sick.

"It's a damn furry convention" ~Marcel Vos 2022

@evek3689

2 жыл бұрын

Lovely

@KevinSiebert

2 жыл бұрын

The funny thing is, there's one happening this weekend and I'm on my way there with friends

@casualworks-

2 жыл бұрын

Hm, you sound fun at parties.

@evek3689

2 жыл бұрын

@@KevinSiebert Have fun

Imagine if this park existed in real-life, that somebody made a skyscraper out of the most boring rides imaginable repeated over and over again in a cramped and highly unstable wooden construction.

@renakunisaki

2 жыл бұрын

And then someone hosted a furry convention in it.

@gauravgupta8126

2 жыл бұрын

My dumb ass would still wanna visit all layers thinking there must be something interesting on the last one

@breakfast7595

Жыл бұрын

@@gauravgupta8126 Speedrun IRL

That roto drop black magic is totally hillarious and this gamr keeps on giving after 20 years. Also the park is now a result of people building Tower of Babel but they recreation after building it

4:04 i laughed way harder at that than i shouldve lol

@Kleavers

2 жыл бұрын

That made me laugh out loud too xD

@Earthboundmike

2 жыл бұрын

I almost sprayed what I was drinking. It was SO unexpected to me lol.

5:29 what if entertainers have the same ai as old guests had in a maze. They pick a random direction and rotate clockwise if the direction is invalid

@starlordmixtape1576

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to say this please do a set on Entertainer and hired help pathfinding.

The roto drop part was fascinating! I love bug investigation stories like that.

"I hope you enjoyed the video as much as the entertainers enjoy this corner of the park" caught me off guard. Excellent video

"It's a damn furry convention" I never thought I hear you utter those words. oh my god! 😂😂😂 Disclaimer: if it wasn’t obvious enough, I am a furry with a scaly persona.

Always great content, Marcel! Thanks for always going to the absolute limits of RCT2!

Almost sadistic torture not being able to use prebuilds after the first level! Exactly the sort of reason I friggin love Marcel's channel!!! Thanks for all the effort you put into these.

@Wiimeiser

2 жыл бұрын

Strangely, I think you can in RCT3...

Amazing stuff. ** I think I might have a solution in mind for ～1267 rides in a 21x21… (I use RCTC, and calculate height in arbitrary units) Layers 1-2 each contain 98 mazes - 4 rows of 20, 1 middle row of 18. this leaves a 3x3 square to create a "staircase" up to the next level. They are 4 units tall each. The 2 layers are built on height -6 and -2. Layers 3-11 each contains 53 looping coasters. They are 3 units tall each, except for final layer. The principle is to stack all the exits (3 units tall) on top of each other, and in alternating layers have the entrance (4 units tall) occupy the square that is otherwise left empty. This allows layers to be compressed from 4 units (height of entrance) to 3 units tall (height of exit). The 9 layers are built on height -2, 5, 8 ... 26. I leave the last layer 4 units tall. Layers 12-33 contains alternating layers of 28 + 26 roto drops. The principle is to build the entrance and exit around the central pole of each roto drop. This way, you can compress layers from 6 units (height of the pole) to 4 units (height of entrance). The 22 layers are built on height 30, 34, 38 ... 114. I've tried to illustrate the principles here: drive.google.com/file/d/1DQhTR24RQywLuy9bVp98POzYJr7vpl5U/view?usp=drivesdk ** I am left wondering whether we can "cheat" by having the maze exits face each other. Since mazes never break down, there's no need for a mechanic to have access to the exit. The peeps might blunder around until they eventually find a path again... (assuming they don't wander beyond the 21x21)

If this was IRL, the government inspectors would have a _heck_ of a time checking the safety of the rides. And I'm sure the park maintainers applying for a job at that park would take one look and quit. 😅

wait, so- if you build a complete roto-drop on top of a beheaded one- does that beheaded roto become a death ride?

@MarcelVos

2 жыл бұрын

That's correct. Death for everyone!

@colejohnson66

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcelVos It’s being fixed: GitHub issue 17481 (KZread is shadow banning my comment if I post the link…)

@baumdf9134

2 жыл бұрын

@@colejohnson66 dude Marcel probably just has links on his blacklist

@jefffinkbonner9551

Жыл бұрын

All those peeps willingly chose to enter a ride called "beheaded roto drop." Whatever happens to them after that is a result of their decisions.

Roto-Drop ride: >Sees a ghost top section higher than it can achieve. Roto-Drop ride: "Why are we still here? Just to suffer?"

I'd love to see another challenge like this where you try to see how many UNIQUE rides you can squeeze into a 22x22 park. :D

BUILD THE CUBE! Loving the ghost piece glitch, too. I wonder if that's the only case in the game where ghost pieces can have an effect? Also, if you were to actually build the top section of the upper tower, does that make the bottom tower last infinitely long? Wonder if it's possible to exploit that to get some really wacky ride stats, if you eventually delete the upper ride.

@IsaacZylstra

2 жыл бұрын

Another place that ghost pieces can have an effect is in transport rides with the simulation train enabled. You can accidentally create corrupted stations that don't exist but also don't let you open the ride and can't be removed. It can be very annoying.

@daanwilmer

2 жыл бұрын

I remember that in RCT1, when you were building a path over water, guests could already get on the ghost piece. You then decide to change direction or not build it, the ghost piece disappears, and the guest drowns.

@MrCheeze

2 жыл бұрын

@@daanwilmer This feels vaguely useful for some "beat scenario X by only building on N tiles" challenges...

@FerrybigGaming

2 жыл бұрын

There was a bug in the past where it was possible to create swamp ghost pieces by saving a ride with scenery. The ghost pieces could the be deconstructed to yield money

@Chocomint_Queen

2 жыл бұрын

Tested it just now: Yes, any lower towers can't progress past the station of any upper towers, but if you remove the top piece OR delete the top ride, all lower rotodrops crash at once, so it's probably not useful. Fun to watch though.

"It's a Goddamn Furry Convention". Gold Marcel, Fking Gold.

I think the reason the entertainers are in that corner is the pathing that you explained in the maze video

@bigguy978978

2 жыл бұрын

But that would mean entertainers would have different but similar pathing. Like a right preference instead of a left

@Easelgames

2 жыл бұрын

he uses OpenRCT which fixes that pathing

If I understand soft guest caps properly, that park has a theoretical soft guest cap of 63,520.

@roddydykes7053

2 жыл бұрын

I would’ve loved to have seen how many would’ve showed up if the issues of hunger/thirst/bathroom/park rating could’ve been addressed or hacked out

@MrCheeze

2 жыл бұрын

Is that still true after the new openrct2 scenario format without limits?

Maybe the cornerthing with the entertainers is similar to the lefthanded maze? Like some pathfinding bias, witch gets negated by doing full circles

@breadvelvet

2 жыл бұрын

my guess is that it has to do with the ramps to the higher levels being on the right-hand side. so like a lot of the entertainers are clustered in that bottom left corner and the remainder on the right side can diffuse upwards? also i wonder if there's any bias coded in for entertainers to seek out already-crowded areas

@patricktho6546

2 жыл бұрын

@@breadvelvet that explains the vertical distribution. We still need one for the horizontal distribution, that causes this

The amount of new stuff that can be found out about this game is infinite. And our man is here to discover it. Terrific!

Imagine if this liminal nightmare existed in real life and you got to explore it by yourself at night.

This is one of the weirdest challenges ever.. but it exposes interesting niche cases I'd never expect to be a factor!

Just a thaught. Do the entertainers have the same or nearly the same mechanics as people on a maze? I remember the difference between left sided and right sided mazes.

@rinoz47

2 жыл бұрын

Just came here to suggest that

@StarGazerTom1991

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that to mind to me too.

@nielspanis2

2 жыл бұрын

Saw that I was not even the first one suggesting this, someone need to test this

@LucasL512

2 жыл бұрын

Seems to me like that's what's happening, you can see them turn into the exit/entrance building and then turn back to where they came from

So now that this video is out, the OpenRCT2 devs are going to have Shift to move prebuilds vertically implemented and the Roto-Drop bug fixed by next week, right?

Your comments about the entertainers around 4:00 made me almost die! So many great comments in this video! Probably the funniest video you've ever made!

Can't believe I'm still learning weird glitches in one of my favorite childhood games 20 years later. Extra credit to this video for how satisfying the editing and presentation was while explaining everything.

if you put this much effort into robotics, we'd have terminators by now.

@roberte2945

2 жыл бұрын

"I created a vengeful, self-aware AI in Rollercoaster Tycoon 2"

10:03 " i could do it without death but i like death" ayo!...it shouldn't be surprising but you've been so mild this video up to that point i was caught off guard

Wow, I feel like the shift-level functionality needs to be added to OpenRCT2, crazy that it’s not there!

"Kowloon City was nothing compared to this." That had me rolling. Good historical reference haha

Wow! This really is getting next level. Can't wait for the next one.

"Guests must survive" aww....... Kidding, excellent work as always!!

Never do I miss your videos even though I no longer play the game. I learn so much from each of your videos and I am not talking about the game. The way you structure your story is awesome. And i appreciate the effort you put in each video.. Must be tiring to make unearth and then share each aspect of research, for eg finding out why roto drop was crashing and sharing that.. Many wouldn't have cared to find out

Great job Marcel, proud of you. Keep it up!

The mystery and explanation of that glitch was fantastic! So interesting and entertaining

You've been awarded "Most Dangerous Park in the Universe".

"i could just build them first and than open to prevent death. But i like death" Benevolent overlord of the tower of doom. Pretty interesting so now the space based challenge is on the table you suppose it'd be possible to make a full park (say 3 rides per type + food/drink WC stalls) in spacially constrained manner?

What about using an elevator with multiple stops throughout the park, instead of staircases? Maybe you can save some path that way, even if the guests will be stupid and not realize it's accessible

@bladactania

2 жыл бұрын

Would those also count as rides?

@martinrocket1436

2 жыл бұрын

@@bladactania one ride.

@kackers

2 жыл бұрын

the problem there is that the lift and all of the station platforms take up a considerably larger area than the path does that would eat away at space you could put rides in on every layer, you'd lose something like 30 rides, only get one back from the lift, and not really have any extra space to add more rides

There should be a book about Marcel Vos's most epic quotes. "But on the other side it's a damn furry convention" "..and without any deaths. But I like deaths" 🤣 It is funny how the game cares about a maximum height for supports, totally ignoring that there is simply no room to put them anywhere and the rides are floating anyway.

You have so many crazy great ideas 🤩it's always a great suprise with what you come up next. Love your channel.

The rotodrop thing is super interesting. It's amazing that you set out to do something weird and dumb and end up discovering a new wrinkle in this game.

marcel your videos are the best on youtube. it doesn't matter if the video is just crashing or drowning guests, when i have a long or bad day there's nothing that cheers me up like a new marcel video. you da bes

It's amazing how many new things are still being discovered after all those years xD

Hope you never stop making videos. I love these.

8:36 The entertainers are there to distract the guests from people falling to their doom

Way more fascinating than I expected, and I had high expectations (pun not intended)!

My kind brain playing RCT2 would have never... ever... thought of something as mad as this and yet, I love it. That's pretty nuts!

8:05 "maybe at some point we'll see it in action" right as the ride vehicle from below clips through the currently building tower, haha

Excellent, one of my favorite videos from you

Something amazing and interesting as always, thank you Marcel! :)

also, it'd be interesting to know if that rotodrop bug occurs with only rotodrop top pieces or if you could use any of the tower rides' tops

So excited to see what you do for 100k subscribers

I'm beyond impressed that you figured out the exact cause of the roto drop crashes.

Absolute madness. I love it. 😂

beautiful. exactly what i need in quarantine

thanks for the laughs and knowledge king been playing my whole life

i like how the paths are in a one sided (left or right) maze fasion and you're wondering why they're all stuck at one side

This video only gets more and more cursed as it goes on and I love it

You never cease to amaze me, Marcel! 🤩

Shoutout to the guests who traveled all the way to the top layer to ride a roto drop that was available much lower

5:00 I wouldn't be surprised if they use the same code as the maze guests, making them turn right much more often than left, and making htem all end up in that corner.

that corner is clearly the best because there are a lot of entertainers there, that's why a lot of entertainers go there

Sounds like the Entertainers might have a pathfinding bug related to the maze pathfinding bug for guests.

I suspect the entertainer thing was similar to the old eternal maze glitch where there's some kind of bias in the pathfinding

1:51 Use shift to raise rides? Never knew that. Always rose ground level for that. Amazing!

Truely a piece of art

when you mentioned Kowloon walled city at 12:00 I was shocked because I was tabbed out for the last 10 minutes looking for scenery mods to make it a real goddamn thing

This is amazing!!!

Lmao Marcel Vos never disappoints, always finding wacky glitches 😂

10/10 would watch rollercoaster man descend into madness again

Can confirm, loved this video as much as the entertainers loved that corner of the park :)

That one corner of the park was bangin

You're so good at this Marcel

That glitch is hilarious. Exactly the sort of stuff a developer would never be able to take into account when coding the rides.

Really entertaining video!

I think the reason why the entertainers all walk to one side is the same reason that the left-sided maze was impossible while guests would just walk through the right-sided one. Similar decision making algorithm for choosing which direction to go.

This is wild. Wonder if anyone else had discovered the top section glitch in the 20 years the game has been out.

i think the entertainers are experiencing something that happens in Java Minecraft. Although its randomly generated, for some unknown reason 90% trees seem to point in one direction, this direction tends to be based on the world itself, but it always holds true. The remaining 10% could be indicated by how your park has multiple levels, most ended up on the bottom floor, while the remainder ended up on the 2nd and 3rd.

@Marcel Vos I have a prototype for a park with over 1200 rides in a 21x21 area. Overlapping roto-drops adds a lot. Also was able to compact the coasters vertically each by one unit by reversing every other layer so that you don't have to stack on top of entrances, which are a unit taller than exits. I can probably finish it by the weekend if you would be interested in seeing it. Of course you could just try yourself again I guess lol! Anyway, love the videos. I believe you could get over 1000 rides in a park less as small as 19x19, but I'm not 100% sure on that right now. It's very close.

The roto drop crashing glitch made me laugh today. Thank you 😄

That furry convention line broke me. That was absolutely hilarious

that rotodrop vehicles sliding off was funniest shit i've seen today

Great video, love your humor lol

The bit where you first talked about Roto Drops crashing had big Kilian Experience vibes

That furry convention joke lmao!!! It's not that amazing of a joke, it's just that I never expected a joke like that from you, completely caught me off guard.