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@Chicago48

10 ай бұрын

The Rockler looks like it was a private label of the OEM from Temu. If it's a ripoff, there would be a lawsuit and cease and desist. I think those goods are coming out of the same factory. If you go to AMZ you can find those exact things that Temu sells and AMZ sells and big price difference.

@MakeSomething

10 ай бұрын

@kelly-green Weirdly enough I have a 67 Chevy with a 350.

@arffadailey8055

10 ай бұрын

@kelly-green Poor analogy Ferrari is not noted for build quality. Some of the models in 70s had left & right doors that were different lengths. Fuel lines running over the engine that sprayed gas everywhere melting the car down in record time.

@MrWhateverfits

10 ай бұрын

When a company does business with China they have to give them all the patent and blue prints for the products they want the Chinese company to make. China makes knock off iPhone's along with all other products. The way international law works China is well within it's right to make these knock offs as the original companies have pretty much given them permission to do so just for doing business in China.

@MrWhateverfits

10 ай бұрын

@@Chicago48 International law as well as the clauses China has to do business in the country prevents any such legal action.

Consider that Rockler is the ripoff. Ripping off the American consumer for 10X the actual cost of a product. And that is just one in a million examples of the same thing going on. Go buy a designer watch for $300-$400 and I almost guarantee you it was made in a Chinese factory that sells them with the little logo on the face for $30-$40.

@ahmadahmal2942

Ай бұрын

Indeed! Most product are made in China by OEM unbranded, companies buy them in large numbers ads a brand name to it and ask 10x the price.

In 99.9% cases nobody would ever notice what kind of wood was used for dominos.

@K.Spade7902

Ай бұрын

True

@m2ukass

Ай бұрын

Also it doesn't even matter. It's never the domino or dowel itself that fails. It's either wood around the glued joint that breaks or the glue itself degrades over time and loosens the joint. It was the only one on the list that you could literally just switch out for half the price and it wouldn't make any difference at all.

I am a crafter and have bought numerous items on Temu, I cannot say every single one was perfect for the job but 98% were brilliant and extremely cheaper than the named brands. I suppose it's the old saying "buyer beware".

@DEUSCATTUS

21 күн бұрын

any recommendations?

When major companies use Chinese manufacturers the manufacturers have been known to make the same or similar products using cheaper materials in the same factory but sell them unbranded.

@varsam

3 ай бұрын

Actually when the companies make facture in China they sighn a contract for the usege of the patent(or the patent) after 10 years. They build miror factory and w8 the patent right, some start earlier ... when they pay a bit to the patent holder, thats why in most cases the patent holder dont go balistic or act surprised.

@samward9641

3 ай бұрын

​@@varsamis oh that makes sense. That's why I ended up with a Chinese Gibson Les Paul that says made in America...

@martyntimmings4785

2 ай бұрын

Friend of mine ran a lighting company he sent molds to china for a cast aluminum product to be manufactured the counterfeit product ended up at a major retailer in Canada before he got his 1st shipment

@martyntimmings4785

2 ай бұрын

Beware electrical products they are not certified to UL or CSA safety standards and could be a safety or fire hazard

@nicholasadams2374

Ай бұрын

And in some cases, the company outsourcing to China is fully aware, and complicit in the sale of that unbranded product. I know because I worked with a company in Shenzhen designing vape hardware for several years. Btw @Varsam, many of these manufacturers in China have zero qualms about copyright infringement. LOL.

The problem is you went into this challenge with a bias. If you were on the poorer side and wanted a hobby on the cheap would you buy these items? Every item you touched you already had an opinion on before you tried it.

@chasingsunsets380

2 ай бұрын

I do not agree. Okaybe I am bias from being in construction for 40 years. But in that time I learned cheap tools are dangerous because they fail. And fail when it can hurt you. So I prefer the well engineered tools for my safety

@Kackspack0815

2 ай бұрын

@@chasingsunsets380 No problem, you can shell out $169.00 for a coping saw all day long.

@Winzilla-qx9ue

2 ай бұрын

@@chasingsunsets380 how does a ruler hurt you?

@Winzilla-qx9ue

2 ай бұрын

Came to say this. The first item seemed very reasonable and had most of the same features. Same material build and was square. Not sure why he ranked it so low.

@oppgard

2 ай бұрын

@@Winzilla-qx9ue he ranked it low because it was only in metric.

Prices on Temu do go up and down frequently due to sales, but the good thing is if within 30 of your purchase you notice a lower price, they will refund you the difference

@alexandrevaliquette3883

7 ай бұрын

"Due to sales" Of course it's not a shitty old marketing tactic. Pump the price to an insane number, than offer an amazing discount. But no, no, it's just related to sales volume. lol

@sew_gal7340

6 ай бұрын

@@alexandrevaliquette3883 who cares, 99% of their stuff works well enough...youre not gonna get something that lasts 30 years but i dont need a towel to last that long any way

@m.g.540

6 ай бұрын

No the wont, they just say they will but never come through, then offer you a discount on some other worthless rubbish that no one would ever need.

@shatogirl

6 ай бұрын

@@m.g.540 you’re completely wrong, i’ve been refunded the difference multiple times

@vladverenich4283

5 ай бұрын

he probably buys from temu and sells on amazon, and trying to trash temu, because he is loosing customers,

@1:43, I’ll buy the Temu straight edge for $40 rather than pay $150.00 for the Woodpecker. The tolerance is well within the range for even the most demanding woodwork. Remember, when you cut a piece of wood you are introducing a slight error , a deviation from the measurement.

3:20 Nah dude, that's the same exact mold. What often happens is the factory just uses cheaper raw materials in the same machinery and dies they made for the original company.

Rockler can write the word "Patent " with no reference number all they like. The fact is you cant patent a Brush lol. The only rip off is Rocklers price

@bridgette58437

6 ай бұрын

You actually can patent a brush. I can think of no less than 5 different brushes with patents. A few international patents at that.

@KuptisOriginal

5 ай бұрын

You'd be surprised what is patentable. I was when I found out. Like the way some things are done in software are patentable and are considered IP (intellectual property).

@Kunfucious577

5 ай бұрын

Rockler product are definitely not worth the price. Some of their stuff just like jigs I made at home.

@OldsmobileCutlass1969Va

5 ай бұрын

The glue tray might be rejects from the Rockler manufacturing process.

@brianandrews7099

5 ай бұрын

To sue, first you have to identify and locate the Chinese company that made the copy products. Good luck with that! You have to know that the Chinese government will not only not assist you in identifying and locating these companies, but do their best to block you from it! If you build a good specialty product, be prepared for cheap imitations. Those that really need a quality product will still pay up for it. Those who don’t will buy the cheap knock offs and, for the price you need for your high quality version, these people would have never been your customers anyway!

You are doing really well keeping these fun. Loved this one. Don't let it get stale!

I've bought hundreds of items from Temu and I've only gotten THREE that were not up to expectations and TEMU refunded my money without any problem. So you need to apologize!

"The Microjig is not much of a price difference." From $64 to $41.98 is a 22.86% difference and is still pretty good.

@cormchm2853

4 ай бұрын

22.86% difference? I think you need to revisit your mathematics here. It is actually a 34.375 % reduction in price, or, it is also true to say that the Temu price is about two thirds that of the original product (65.625% of the original price, to be exact), based on 64 dollars versus 42 dollars.

I’ve got one of the Marita-fake hand routers bought from Amazon. It’s at least 5 years old and never missed a beat. It’s insanely loud but it lives in my basic router bench and it’s still going strong.

@extec101

4 ай бұрын

thought that also that eaven if its cheap it can still be a good working product for the hobbyist that dont cant or wont spend a fortune on a brand name product.

One error in the video is the Temu handjig is $20.48. It’s actually the saw refills that are $6.48. Temu is deceptive, you need to actually click on the product picture. In your video, it is not clicked so it defaults to the saw refill lower price $6.48. Totally get how this happened though. Temu does this on purpose.

@philipbohi983

10 ай бұрын

Yep - drives me bonkers when looking on ebay or amazon too…they do it with anything! Example: a flexfit style ballcap for 2.88, but when you click the item, all the actual ballcaps are 8.50 and one item, a weird beanie is 2.88. It’s NOTHING like the other items.

@spatialguy5571

10 ай бұрын

Good advice, cheers. 👍

@leglessinoz

9 ай бұрын

Nothing on their site is the price you think it is.

@tallboyyyy

9 ай бұрын

Wish is the same way with pricing. You have to really look at the item and when you go to buy it make sure that the item pictured is actually what you are buying. Quite often there are multiple feature levels and the advertised price is for the most basic level which isn't the item pictured.

@TheCrazyMoparDude68

9 ай бұрын

Pretty much what all of these import sellers do.

All my life 'rip off' has meant, being overcharged. Not sure Temu is guilty of that.

@STiHigh1

25 күн бұрын

Can also mean receiving something that is significantly different in form or function to what you thought you were buying, either through deceptive advertising or inferior product specification.

The fact that I got a temu ad right before this video has me dying 😂😂

EMT here, I have run multiple calls involving that chainsaw head grinder wheel thing. The fact they market it to beginners is even worse. In my opinion that shouldn’t be sold to general public. Mishaps with those are MESSY. Thanks for your amazing videos by the way David! You’ve made me a better woodworker.

@bushratbeachbum

10 ай бұрын

How many accidents have you attended or witnessed the aftermath of using a chainsaw disc on a grinder? Are they particularly popular in your area? Never seen a single injury from one where i am, or where im from

@andersonolive4553

10 ай бұрын

@@RC-oe7um that’s awesome, and no, sounds like too much responsibility. Just ban stupid people, not things.

@xorsyst1

9 ай бұрын

They are illegal in the UK, thankfully.

@zpalladino

9 ай бұрын

That’s probably grinders in general. Very dangerous piece of equipment

@karri8998

5 ай бұрын

@andersonolive4553 you need to make videos on all the mishaps on products like that.

To be honest, the GRR-RIPPER Patents have expired. But, I will point out that we support our products. When you cut into a GRR-RIPPER leg, you can buy a new one. If you have questions on how to use your GRR-RIPPER, we answer the phones here in Florida.

@MakeSomething

10 ай бұрын

I love my GRR-RIPPERs. I use them in almost every project and I don't see that changing any time soon.

@KuptisOriginal

5 ай бұрын

Well, yeah, many things if you ruin like by cutting into them you can buy again. Did you actually mean y'all will replace it for free (minus shipping costs of course)?

@Microjig

5 ай бұрын

@@KuptisOriginal Warranties do not cover operator error, but replacing any of the legs on the GRR-RIPPER cost less than $20.

@davidhouchin2353

5 ай бұрын

I still support microjig

@eh6971

5 ай бұрын

@@Microjig Do you deliver world wide?

It doesn't matter whether it's a rip off or not, the main thing is that it's cheaper than the original and it does what it's supposed to do. I don't know why temu is so bad-mouthed everywhere, it sells things for the small wallet that have senseless prices elsewhere. I'd rather buy something for $5 that wobbles a bit than the same product for three times the price. Then I just put something under it and it stopped wobbling. I have been buying from Temu for the last few years and I will be buying there for the next few years too. Why ? Simple answer: The price makes the difference.

@roderickcortez138

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! I bought a bicycle light for $15 on temu. It doesn't look as nice as the name brand bicycle light. But who cares? It performs just as well as the name brand AND the name brand light was $150! I saved $135. So yeah I'm happy with a $15 light that isn't as pretty as the brand name. It's been going strong for a year now.

@haroldk724

4 ай бұрын

BECAUSE TEMU IS A HUGE RIP OFF ......... There are 100's of channels that will tell you the same thing

@oink-oink8721

4 ай бұрын

@@haroldk724 There are hundreds of channels that also tell you that Adolf Hitler is still alive. NOT TRUE EITHER.

@TheTomrader

3 ай бұрын

You are giving your economy to China with that frame of mind.

@simduino

Ай бұрын

@@haroldk724 Same thing they said of AliExpress 15 years ago, it's still here though. It's easier to criticize on cheap products than on brand products, it'll get you more views and likes and YT doesn't like channels going against brand products for outrages prices. Most of these 100's channels go for views not for objective reviews. Also, brand names may go after you if you say something bad about them while the chinese don't give a damn about that because they aren't spending thousands on advertising and name pushing.

"silicon" (rhymes with gone) is a brittle metal used in making chips (computer style), silicone (rhymes with hone) is a rubbery material

@StumpyTales

3 ай бұрын

Silicone is man-made from silicon, which is an element (Si on the periodic table) as I understand it. No idea where silica fits into the scheme of things though :)

@sigterm15

Ай бұрын

metal? uhhhh.

The pocket hole jig looks to be "inspired by" the Massca M1, which is about $100-120, depending on what accessories you get. The Massca is a solid piece of engineering.

@steelsunpi

10 ай бұрын

Or even the Harbor Freight one

@Ricochet845

10 ай бұрын

Massca ftw, I got one of their model 2 jigs, the thing is SOLID!

@Erik_The_Viking

10 ай бұрын

Massca's jig is rock solid, and I got it at a cheaper price than Kreg which is all plastic vs. aluminum.

@Ricochet845

10 ай бұрын

@@Erik_The_Viking agreed. Massca FTW.

@jameslovick-earle3119

10 ай бұрын

Or the trend jig

3:23 its common for chinesium products to use original discarded molds that have been worn or damaged to make cheaper products. You occasionally even see tool marks where the original branding has been removed.

@elmono3939

4 ай бұрын

Very true... Also,, manufacturers want to maximize their molds so they keep them running 24/7, then sell this "extra" product to other companies, who then sell under different brand name, in different territories. Very common practice

@miskatonic6210

4 ай бұрын

You think they use discarded molds 😂 they just use the new original molds any time they want. Who would stop them?

@tihzho

3 ай бұрын

@@miskatonic6210 You are 100% correct. I worked in China for about 10 years in manufacturing. It's like this, XYZ company orders 100,000 units so the factory makes 120,000 units of which say 1000 are for QA replacements. The rest are sold by the factory usually without the branding, but then who would stop them?

@carlzobel513

3 ай бұрын

Most of the time. The brand companies use Chinese manufacturers to produce their products less expensive. Since there is not way to enforce patent laws over seas. Hard to stop them other then not purchasing. But, we all want to save money?

@tihzho

3 ай бұрын

@@carlzobel513 A lot of money is saved

I’ve upgraded, but when I bought my first trim router, it was a cheapo from Harbor Freight. Chicago Electric, I think? Had a plastic housing, plastic base, and the locking screw just like the Temu one. Wasn’t great, but it got the job done for a long time and the plastic and knobs never wore out.

@Bluuri-Aeros

2 ай бұрын

Me too, same router! Bought 4 years ago, and while I don't use it daily, or even weekly, it's always worked when I needed it, and performed exactly as I intended. In fact, I'm thinking of buying a 2nd as I've built and attached my HF trim router to a dedicated router table, which has been incredibly helpful.

Great video! I really like the way you explain things... you get my attention, already hit the subscribe button 😉

Dave, these videos are so enjoyable. I look forward to them almost as much as your builds. Thanks for always providing great content.

I am loving these videos. You are doing us all a great service...buying the tools we see advertised and testing them so we don't have to. Thank you. Great stuff.

I was wondering about the gripper. I saw it. So I’m happy you are reviewing it

Until you discover that the Temu supplier is the same supplier to your "genuine supplier"

Great video and series like this. I wonder if the next one where you will rank the buys, if you rank them before you open just seeing the listing, and then rerank after and see if there is a difference. Keep up the great content!

@mattrinne

10 ай бұрын

Good suggestion! Nice twist on the same content.

I’d love to see Rockler try and go after the CCP. I’d watch that if it was a documentary.

@matthysloedolff

10 ай бұрын

I had very similar thoughts!

@j.t.buckley52

10 ай бұрын

Most likely Rockler buys them from the same factory with different molds

@caintiger

10 ай бұрын

Yeah great video but if Rolex and Breitling can’t do anything then unfortunately Rockler is out of luck😮

@leglessinoz

9 ай бұрын

Good luck with that.

@shaolinmaster8583

9 ай бұрын

Copyright laws don't apply in China

I have that trimmer. It works absolutely fine except to avoid over tightening the base to the housing I sanded the inside the plastic with 60 grit. Now I don't have to tightening it anywhere near I used to to get it firm. Built heaps of stuff with it ,no problems.

I can't believe how much I enjoyed and learned things I know I'll never use but you demos were so great!! Maybe it's because I just used a circular saw to trim some stints to put between some old old plastic shelves, for extra support from my boxes of junk... thanks, and also now when I stroll down that aisle at HD I'll say hey! I know what that for! thanks-Maureen from Tampa Bay🙃

I think the difference in sound between the Makita and the knockoff is air movement. It sounds like the Makita has a powerful fan blowing over the motor, while the temp has much less air movement. Which would explain why the temu one heated up so quickly, as well.

I've had a palm router from HF for maybe 5-6 years, and it looks nearly identical to the TEMU one. The plastic depth lock thingy is still intact, surprisingly, but it never has inspired much confidence. I think it was around $50, but it has worked just fine for my first forays into woodworking. I will replace it with a more quality tool at some point, but I've for sure gotten my money's worth out of it.

Great video! I recently saw routers, jigsaws, angle grinders and a lot more on hardware store shelves in the Philippines on a recent visit. The stuff looked (colorwise) exactly like DeWalt, Makita, Bosch, and the like. Clearly knock-offs, and at similar prices to Temu, likely from the same factories, I'd guess. The tools worked - I didn't have a choice on what to buy and use - but they didn't feel durable at all and the grinder got very hot very quickly. Knock-off stuff will take over here in the USA too, for sure Average Joe doesn't know anything better and just cares about price.

I have a red Maktec trim router (Maktec being a cheaper Makita brand) that has that same plastic sleeve depth adjustment. The TEMU copy may be a copy of that Maktec router rather than the one you were showing. The plastic sleeve is still going well after many years. What has failed (twice) however, is the metal screw to tighten it! The scale on the side is quite useful, as a guide to how much you need to adjust the depth by (not as an absolute measurement, but a relative one).

The heat generated by that router is going to cause those plastic clamping parts to fail even sooner.

@mechanoid5739

10 ай бұрын

If it gets hot that quick, I think it will burn out before the plastic breaks!

About the Temu vs. Rockler glue kit: When you do injection molding the molds have a certain number of uses before they are no longer guaranteed to be on spec with the tolerances or surface finish. Sometimes these overdue molds are used beyond their approved lifespan and the resulting products are dumped into a "discard" pile, which someone will sometimes sell off as a no-name copy. This is probably not the case here because an important difference is the debossed Rockler logo. This COULD be because pre-production molds don't necessarily have these details added until the prototyping is well and truly over with. The surfaces aren't polished to the same degree either. Such pre-production molds are also sometimes used for knockoff products after hours. I would hazard a guess that this is what happened here.

@itarry4

10 ай бұрын

Yhea he said it definitely wasn't from the same factory. Could easily be just cheaper plastics and less quality control etc. I mean Chinese factories do this all the time it's a chance you take when you use one to save money as they don't care about American or any other countries patent.

@MrPenNinja

10 ай бұрын

I have that glue kit from Temu just because I was curious. The glue comes off fine even if the surface finish isn't as nice. Maybe it comes off easier on the Rockler but the Temu one is perfectly fine. Have done a few glue ups already with it and seems to be holding up l

@whisky1975

10 ай бұрын

​@MrPenNinja thanks for this. I was gonna ask about the glue coming off

@SilverShadow2LWB

10 ай бұрын

@@itarry4 But that statement has absolutely no proof or testing. He does absolutely no checking on his statements or legal check into the patents. He seems a little woosy about the turboplane. His subjective impression has absolutely no merits that it is dangerous. Try growing a pair, or increase your hormone dosage.

@1steelcobra

10 ай бұрын

@@SilverShadow2LWB Safety when it comes to angle grinder tools is no joke. Your hands are right by that blade, so if there's a chance the tool can do something unexpected, it'll do it very fast and very violently, like what happened to Stumpy Nubs with that chainsaw disc.

14:20 The budget-model Kreg K4 comes with a nearly identical clamp system. It's $90 and made mostly of plastic. Most of the import pocket hole jigs seem to be made out of aluminum.

4:33 The patent on the Grr-Ripper expired a while back and there are a number of outfits like Milescraft who are making very similar devices. That said, TEMU could've at least changed the colors to be less blatant.

As usual, terrific tool comparison video David! The take away for me is that "you get what you pay for" & "buyer beware"! 🤔🤔

@doctorbuga4302

4 ай бұрын

Exactly.

Aside from throat depth, how is the New Concepts saw worth it over the standard coping saws that's been around forever?

I purchased all kinds of what-nots from Temu, you know those cutsie but unnecessary things almost once a month, never had a bad experience. Their return policy is excellet.

@vladverenich4283

5 ай бұрын

he probably buys from temu and sells on amazon, and trying to trash temu, because he is loosing customers,

@alastairgreen6783

4 ай бұрын

@@vladverenich4283 losing

@daveyjones5702

4 ай бұрын

@@vladverenich4283 i'm pretty sure there is an effort by amazon itself to thrash temu with paid shills. this guy could very well be one of those.

@doctorbuga4302

4 ай бұрын

@@vladverenich4283 Nice conspiracy theory, bro.

@hodor

4 ай бұрын

errr, those non-touch voltage detectors, you are ready to pay to price of a false negative?

Now that you have all of these knockoffs, I would be interested in seeing you make a project using them compared to the "real" or name brand products to see how they compare.

@Smaxx

9 ай бұрын

I have the suspicion as with many hobby things it will work either way, if you're experienced enough and know what you're doing, but I wouldn't be surprised if the knockoffs have a way higher chance of something breaking or causing harm simply due to wrong or unsafe usage.

@salmaabdullahgb

9 ай бұрын

@@pietjepuk9575 we can't pretend there's no quality difference

@udance4ever

9 ай бұрын

​@@Smaxx I’m not a workworker and can imagine when safety is at stake, this is pretty critical! the closest parallel I can draw with the kind of products I put to the test are companies who embed cheap batteries - I would prefer that they just left it to the consumer to choose the fire risk level they wish to operate at but that eliminates the turnkey, disposable nature of such products!

@arnoterhorst

9 ай бұрын

@pietjepuk9575 this is not about brand, this is pure theft. Companies who spent huge amounts of money trying to invent and design something, testing, making it better in many iterations before releasing it. Then some stupid Chinese companies steals everything, but mostly makes it dangerous, explosion risk, toxic plastics that often may cause cancer. And the companies who actually made the product and put in a lot of money doing so, just see people just buy the cheap crap.

@aaronmicalowe

9 ай бұрын

I suspect that if you have enough experience, you could make it work, but it's more likely that people buy these cheap knock offs when they're starting out, don't have much cash, and don't have much experience. So it's more likely to backfire for them. But I guess if you were careful you could do a few projects and save the money to get better tools.

Great video! As someone who can’t afford to the get the most pricey tools this is quite handy. As an ex power tool repairman the router is a ripoff but of the makita cheaper range “maktec”.

Hahaha!! I love the shout from the peanut gallery on the rating of the pocket hole… “the pocket hole is not illegal”, which immediately moved it to #1. 😂 I’m dying!! I had no idea about Temu, glad your video popped up!!

I was on Alibaba and saw a pellet grill that was a Traeger. The lid was blank but when I looked closely the lower support between the legs near the ground was indeed stamped Traeger. Sometimes brand named things made in China are sold without the brand name.

I bought a track saw square on Temu that is outstanding. I also picked up some aluminum miter slot bars to make table saw jigs instead of using wood. Both products are really good.

@doctorbuga4302

4 ай бұрын

How do you define "excellence" for a square?

It would be interesting to do a video on Temu vs Harbor Freight. They have a pocket hole jig that looks similar to that one, and HF is the same price as Temu (actually $10 cheaper on sale right now). Their coping saw is $6.

@dougle03

2 ай бұрын

Where do you think Harbor Freight get most of its stock from? That's right, the same sources as Temu. Adding a brand name is pennies when you are ordering multiples...

That palm router is most likely using the same motor in all of the cheap palm routers with slightly different housings and accessories. It appears to be the same as my HF one I bought a few years ago for $15, the plan was to buy a few of them and put one bit in them and never change it out (except to replace the bit with a newer one). I also have the Makita and it is funny how often I want to use the cheap HF over it.

The pocket hole jig is a very old Kreg design. We have one. Yes it's hard to get the size for locking the wood in place!

Another great video as usual always love your energy and enthusiasm in your videos about everything you do keep up the amazing work.

In Australia, the Microjig ripper is AUD$129.. and I got the Temu version for $49.

Thanks for the video. Never tried Temu but i'm heading over there now. Beats even Harbor Freight. I'm lovin it!

So fun to watch. I don't have any of the name brand tools because of cost but probably won't shop Temu either.

maybe the jig holes were drilled by a metric bit and you were using a standard drill bit to demonstrate the jig. thats why it was tight. metric 13mm is a little smaller than 1/2 inch. As for the router. using two wrenches only takes an extra second which i prefer as the lock button will wear out eventually. Love these videos

@trevoryawirkiadamson1810

3 ай бұрын

My Ryobi lock button has already lasted several years using it every other day and (touch wood) shows zero inclination towards failure. "Using two wrenches only takes an extra second" rolls off the tongue easily but in ongoing use I would far prefer the lock button's simpler usability, as well as the better quality retaining mechanism. Cry once!

I've been waiting for a video like this :D The pocket hole jig looks like a direct rip off from Masca Products. The palm router looks very similar to the Harbor Freight router I bought on sale for $20.

@SECRETORDEROFTHEKNIGHTSTEMPLAR

10 ай бұрын

Why?

Davids top tip ! I bought a similar cheap palm router to the temu offering off e bay and I was worried also re. the possibility of the plastic clamp giving out , so I wrapped one layer of duct tape around the body where it grips and then you dont have to tighten it nearly as much to prevent it slipping . I paid 22 gb pounds delivered. If you dont use them every day they are fine, well mine is .

@MakeSomething

4 ай бұрын

That's a pretty darn good tip!

Problem with TEMU is not the products, is the invasion of privacy and possible fraud.

Grizzly offers a modest palm-style router that comes with both a fixed base and a plunge base for $87, currently on sale for $78. (they call it a "laminate trim router") I've had mine for a few years, and I've been thoroughly impressed with it. Only issue to come to mind is that the speed control dial has become a little loose, so it may change speed slightly with a lot of vibration in the cut.

The picture window is looking great in the background!

@mattrinne

10 ай бұрын

I was hoping he built that set for the cabin he talks about on the Making It podcast.

On that jig rig, you're getting pinched by the handle because you're using the it in a reverse method. Tension goes the other way. Reroute the nut(x2) and bolt threading and positional inference, and then the power coefficient flips, so the handle closes away from the pinch point.

You should get an IR camera attachment to measure the heat of various tools such as the hand router.

I've made several woodworking related purchases from Temu. Overall, I've been very pleased with the quality. One item was a small drill I thought would be useful for drilling inside holes for scroll sawing. The drill chuck was poor and the motor was weak. I did a return through Temu and it took less than a minute for a refund and I didn't have to send the drill back. Impressive customer service..

@ocelote1336

5 ай бұрын

This is the info I want to know. Customer service is very important to me.

@vladverenich4283

5 ай бұрын

he probably buys from temu and sells on amazon, and trying to trash temu, because he is loosing customers,

@Paulo-py4mm

4 ай бұрын

You have to think how a retailer can operate in a temu setting? You keep the drill, the seller keeps no money. they loose everything, you gain a useless drill. Sellers wont stick around for long UNLESS their quality is so poor that they can eat 50%+ returns. ie a markup of 2x or more is necessary for a seller to make money. only crappy junk products have a 100% markup or more. Quality costs money...

@cleantageorges7809

4 ай бұрын

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH TEMU, ONLY THINK THAT I HAVE; EVERY TIME I BOUGHT WATCHES I CAN'T OPEN THEM!!

@darkhorseinamerica1935

3 ай бұрын

Obviously, this is a fake review. Anyone associated with Temu will post a fake positive review. Nothing sold by Temu is of quality, NOTHING!

The Katsu routers from Amazon are £39 and are identical to the Makita ones. I'm lazy and hate changing bits. So I have 2 makitas and 3 Katsus. They're great.

@Dickie2702

10 ай бұрын

Been using Katsu Routers for 10 years. I have three of them, two corded and one cordless they are excellent quality pieces of kit. You will not be buying junk with this router. I have the plunge base as well and it's a tool I love.

@awlthatwoodworking9348

10 ай бұрын

@makesomething that pocket hole jig is a direct ripoff of a great quality all aluminum pocket hole jig by @Massca

Great review thanks. One point. I have a Katsu hand router AND the Makita. They look identical and feel just the same in operation. Makita: £129, Katsu £29.99

How will the turboplane work on large exposed roots in the yard?????

That pocket hole jig looks a lot like the old school kreg K4 and I think you have the K5.

Interesting products. It's amazing how close some of the products get for such a small amount of money. FYI: Silicon - An element with a metallic luster, it's what computer chips are made from Silicone - It's a polymer made from siloxane, the rubbery stuff you seal your bath with. Silica - SiO2, think sand. (Yes I realise I'm simplifying the real life examples)

@tonyando5942

10 ай бұрын

You need to get a grip pal

I bought a automotive hose clamp tool that with rhe exception of a decal the product looked to and worked as the name brand. 12.00 vs 120.00 is worth a try. I have bought some stuff that is so much smaller in size that is is more of a novelty than a tool. Great video! I would like to see you make somthing out of just Temu merchandise.

I used to work at a leading U.S.A. print shop. A celebrity made a large purchase where for part of it (the largest part), we were instructed to tear off the forien labels and replace them with our own. Something similar happens with retailers. When quality of a product meets a standard it is then on the shelves at say a department store. If the quality control determines that the finished product is not up to par then the SAME ITEM(s) are offered at discount retailers.

@invisiblekid99

4 ай бұрын

My wife used to work at a print shop too, mainly doing t-shirts. These were for big and brand compaines and many a time the lables were swapped. It will happem all the time and tbno the t-shirts that were used are very high quality and she could go around stores and could tell which compainy used which t-shirt.

Me: I’m going to buy this! David: immediately guilts me into not doing that

@woodworkingandepoxy643

10 ай бұрын

I dunno. I'd rather buy a couple of those than the name brand stuff considering the name brand stuff is robbing people blind. $150+ for a t square? Yeah 😂 absolutely not buying that

@greerbriggs8421

10 ай бұрын

​@@woodworkingandepoxy643 yea, not a lot of engineering and R&D can go into a square, mostly just the cost of accurate machining or in this case, even just milling an extrusion. even with the holes at certain measures for marking for ripping, that's been a thing for a loooooong time, even on the back of an old handsaw I got from a farm sale but I hope to never have to rip with a handsaw

This is a great video, thanks! I couldn’t help but feel that the TEMU products are more an indication of what the authentic products actually cost to manufacture and we just pay the inflated price… I agree that they have the R&D costs, and also the quality is far greater in the authentic products… but likely most of these are being made during the night shift in the same factory in China and just shipped to a different buyer. Ultimately the authentic tools are the way to go if you can afford them… but there are good deals out there if you can do some research… just don’t reward the obvious rip off merchants!

@KnewConcepts

9 ай бұрын

Sorry, no. Not even close. Knew Concepts products are all made 100% in the US. He actually has a pair of fret saws, not coping saws, but just the raw unfinished laser cut frame of the saw that's being ripped off costs us more than the TEMU is selling for. Nevermind the rest of the parts, which we machine ourselves right here in California. I have a couple of these knockoffs for evaluation purposes. They're a direct copy of a several year old design, done poorly, in the wrong material. (The frame is a much cheaper aluminum alloy, which means it can't hold tension the way the real ones can.) We have a reputation for standing behind our gear. If you have questions, you know where to find us. Does anybody even know who's really making these things?

@TheCrazyMoparDude68

9 ай бұрын

@@KnewConceptsI would say that it is one of number of companies in China that do nothing but make knock off items to sell around the world. But the OP is correct about some companies having their products produced in China, Hong Kong, or where ever using better materials, while the same product is also being made with inferior materials to be sold “outside” the US.

i have bought a few things from Temu and have been happy with my purchases except for one . i ordered some fire starting rope , was supposed to be 4 pcs of 1" rope soaked in some kind of accelerant . about 4" long each . . . i did get 4 pcs and they were soaked in accelerant . . . but they were only 1/4 inch rope about 2.5" long . yeah that was the last order i made .

Nice video! Btw there is an even better pocket hole jig from enjoywood (yes I know), around the same price. They all have much better build than kreg that are made out of plastic. And yeah I would never risk my life with that cheap router lol

@adamcallaway3762

10 ай бұрын

Yeah enjoy wood have been around for quite awhile not as long as drillpro or anything but they are coming out with some really nice stuff lately

The TEMU ad that always gets me are the storage bins. They are so freaking expensive at the big box store. Then I click on the ad, it takes me to the page, then I'm sad because the bins are tiny and not that much cheaper. Thanks for another great video! You should make a prediction on what rank the things will be before you unbox, and see how close you get.

Funny how competitors hate competition, and will pay for videos to try and debunk the cheaper options to retain their high cost model. Good luck!

I have one of those knock-off palm routers like the one you showed. I can confirm the plastic sleeve has caused me problems more than once. The screw/nut system stopped tightening properly after a while, so I used a different bolt/nut system. I got it for a one-off project I was working with my son and it did the job for the price I paid. I probably would consider buying the actual brand name if I had to buy again, simply because of the extra quality and speed control. Particularly, the depth adjustment would be a nice thing to have versus the almost non-existent one on the knock-off product. I bought my knock-off from Amazon, not Temu. But still looks just like the one you have in your video. Thank you for doing this video. It was informative and fun to watch.

@Arckivio

4 ай бұрын

That palm router is a direct rip off of a Makita palm router, he just doesn't have that model. I know Makita definitely do a palm router with a plastic base for the adjustment, I know because I was constantly gluing it back together after it cracked!!!!

@carlzobel513

3 ай бұрын

And you purchased the knock off why? Cause ot was such a good price! And you were only gonna use it as a one off. But still have it! So in theory. It was a great puchase?

@pc3822

3 ай бұрын

Yep! I still use it sometimes on projects.@@carlzobel513

Nice video and the 1st I;ve seen from you as I'm a mechanic/fabricator not a wood worker. However I do have a few things to add and I've said this to a few people. If your just starting out in your field your usually better off buying name brand used tools and equipment from a pawn shop and use them until they wear out then buy new. Doing that lets you experience different brands with different features and find what you like best without spending a ton. Also think about how often you will use a tool. If it's something you won't use often the cheaper tool or used tool might last you a long time. Something that you will use daily or even weekly and depend on your better off buying a new name brand tool with a warranty.

@volentimeh

6 ай бұрын

True, bought a name brand circular saw (Makita) from a pawn shop over 20 years ago, used it enough to go through a pair of brushes and a few blades, still going strong.

@extec101

4 ай бұрын

@@volentimeh pown shops or second hand is a good way to go to get the brand name tools for cheap.

Until now I had no idea what temu was 😂😂 I get 3 emails a day from them !! Great review

@daveworthing

9 ай бұрын

Only THREE emails a day?? I get at least TEN every day!!😆

@jetenginethrust863

9 ай бұрын

I didn't either🤪

@arnoterhorst

9 ай бұрын

Chances are very high that you will now also get a lot of Temu rip off ads on KZread

@annwithaplan9766

9 ай бұрын

I've been ordering stuff from them for a while now. I read and watch reviews before buying what I want. They use all kinds of vendors, just like amazon does, so some things are cheap and other things are not.

@llollercoaster

9 ай бұрын

Shouldn't shop from CCP companies, they use the profits to fund genocide.

Great promotional vlog for Temu. especially for the amature woodworkers on a budget on small projects

6:43 _The Festool has a heavier weight and it just feels stronger._ Did you weigh the dominos to compare them or is this just “your feeling”? Regarding the kind of wood: Does anyone know what type of wood such cheaper dominos are typically made of? Is a domino made of harder wood always better suited than one made of a lighter wood?

I bought some generic spring clamps from Temu and to be fair they’re fairly decent. Maybe not as good as a high end make, but certainly equal to the cheap diy tools sold in Aldi and Lidl.

@annwithaplan9766

10 ай бұрын

I've bought a lot of stuff that I needed from them and most everything was good. Some things weren't as good quality, but many things were the same that I would find on amazon or even Walmart.

@JohnHuxleySavage

9 ай бұрын

For cheaper consumable and disposable parts I find their stuff is fine (zip ties, electrical shrink tubing, sandpaper, double-sided tape, etc.). Not sure I would trust any large tools from them, but I did get a stainless steel potato peeler that is very sharp and works great for like $1.

These videos are the best! I was super excited when I saw you have a new video out, David. I see Temu ads everywhere and keep wondering how they make a profit when they sell things for so cheap while spending so much money on marketing. The fact that they copy patented items pretty much exactly makes me feel very uncomfortable and I don't think I'll be supporting them.

@billl.8499

10 ай бұрын

Until now, Temu is still losing money. It is just replicating the miracle it once performed in China. It comes from the same company as the Chinese version of Temu, which is called PINGDUODUO, which means "group buy more, save more". This company had a loss of 10.2 billion rmb in 2018 but a profit of over 31.5 billion in 2022. It relies on subsidies and low prices to attract users to keep buying back.

That Palm Router got warm because it is a high current motor so that they can get some horsepower out of it for its size. The problem with it is that it will burn up after using it for a half hour non-stop or so. I read a review on Amazon for a similar router and the customer complained that it only lasted about a half hour before it burned out so he returned it. I am sure the same thing will happen to this TEMU router. I bought a Bosch router.

I have a Kreg Master pocket hole jig that has the same screw and nut board thickness adjustment as this Temu Jig.

The microjig gripper is off patent isn’t it? you can get them from heaps of company’s now miles craft makes one for example, also really don’t know how there is a patent in the us on the silicon tray they’ve been around forever and they didn’t invent the silicon so what is actually patented just curious. Look for most I agree with you but for the rest of the world and especially for new people getting into woodworking the rise of the china market is great because it makes our hobby more accessible and also keeps suppliers honest. Great vid as always. Also don’t be fooled incra copied a few gwanui and wnew tools a little while ago

@Dickie2702

10 ай бұрын

And the reality is their are some great companies and products coming from China. Take a look at the China Tools series done by Denis on his channel Hooked on Wood. I have a ton of Chinese tools in my commercial workshop and they are great value.

Who’s paying $160 for a coping saw ? 🙄

Is Yellow table saw hand jig still available on temu? Can someone provide a link?

The turbo plane thing looked terrifying.

@philipbohi983

10 ай бұрын

It “removes material fast”…by material they mean wood, fingers, your workbench…😂

There is a large and seemingly ever growing percentage of people who don’t care/understand the implications of buying knockoffs. It’s cheap and that’s all that matters to a lot of people. This applies to products, music, likenesses and so much more. While I understand being strapped for cash and having a need to fill, and while that’s a truly valid real world concern, at the end of the equation, when boiled down to its simplest form, from the top down: it’s theft.

@zpalladino

9 ай бұрын

You are free to spend $170 on a piece of red bent aluminum with a wood handle and thin saw blade while it costs probably $10 to make if it helps you sleep at night. These products are all made in the same factories, the diff is some companies purchase the rights so they can charge you (the consumer) 5x the cost for no reason.

Sounds like what they call "grey market" items. We can get copier accessories like fax options for less money from other "vendors". They are made in the same factory as the OEM options but go out the side door without the OEM branding.

That glue tray /brush/speader. is great in the kitchen. putting pizza sause on is great even coverage using the trowel..

The way they get around the patents is by ignoring them 😂

@burtbacarach5034

10 ай бұрын

It's the Chinese way!

Great video. Do the legitimate companies of these products see these videos in the same light as we do or do they see it as a possible advertisement to buy the cheaper alternative. I think you do a great job making sure everyone knows that the alternative is also cheaply made

@TheSalemCrow

10 ай бұрын

It happens a lot with MANY different items across all areas of interest (clothing, toys, home goods, tools, etc,). Since these are usually smaller companies based out of China, there's no easy way for companies in the US to attempt and sue them. Even if they did manage to "kill" the knockoff, it would just get made again by the same company under a new name.

@KnewConcepts

9 ай бұрын

Honestly? I think I'd rather people see just what crap the knockoffs are. In our case, I've bought a couple to see what they are, and they're made very poorly, out of cheaper material, by people who didn't know why certain design decisions were made, so they did them wrong. Which will make their copies fall apart while the real ones will be something you want to pass on to your kids. In the age of Google, there's no way I'm going to keep people from finding the fakes. The best I can do is explain why you'd rather have the real thing. So in that light, videos like this are good.

@ryanelliott9651

9 ай бұрын

@@KnewConcepts I appreciate this reply. Good insight, thanks

I have used Temu once and never again. The product was a water filter for my GE refrigerator. The price was about $10 less than those on Amazon. Delivery was over one month, Amazon prime less than a week. Could not use the fridge's water supply. The filter itself was a 'hard' fit. Pressing on the release button over and over until it finally would come out but a hard pull to get it out. Now I'm worried if it will even last the normal 6 months. Forget Temu.

Nice review, some of the cheap motor armatures where the carbon brushes touch are often rough through keeping the cost down. This is probably the source of the heat which might reduce as it self polishes, however it will go through carbon brushes rapidly due to this.

The pocket hole jig looks like a ripoff of the massaca

Same way Amazon gets around it. They get cease and desist letter. They change company name the next day. At some point Amazon and Walmart should be liable for their market place.

@Alphasig336

4 ай бұрын

That’s how old Kreg operated too