I Bought My First Semi For $6,000 At Auction! Was It A Mistake?

Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары

This is crazy! I bought a 2004 Volvo VN M with a kaufman car hauler for $6,000 at the Thomas Hirchak Auto Auction.
Find their action listings here: www.thcauction.com/
Keywords:
tractor trailer, semi truck, 18 wheeler, big rig

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  • @plumber802
    @plumber80211 ай бұрын

    Bro... This might be your BEST video yet!!! BTW, you stole that rig at $6K. Looking forward to the "semi" series. -Andy in St-Albans.

  • @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    11 ай бұрын

    Thanks!!

  • @KOrnhOliO1

    @KOrnhOliO1

    11 ай бұрын

    Yeah, who thought you could buy a Semi Truck, with a car transport trailer for $6K?!! Hard to lose much on that, I'd think.

  • @douglasharrington3003

    @douglasharrington3003

    10 ай бұрын

    I graduated from bfa

  • @rodneymurphy3388

    @rodneymurphy3388

    10 ай бұрын

    Congratulations bro.........a single axle is a great tractor to pull you setup you can scale you loads and trailer without much weight restriction.........great Buy.......👍🏾

  • @F34R_

    @F34R_

    9 ай бұрын

    Has no one looked and realized it has over a million miles on it. That’s not a steal that’s average pricing for a extremely high mileage semi especially a Volvo.

  • @1956model1
    @1956model111 ай бұрын

    You can find front tires for around $300 each. And I'd definitely switch to duals on the drive axle. For traction and also if you have a flat or a blowout, you can limp it somewhere on one tire. With super singles, you're stuck wherever you are. Side of the interstate, on a curve, a city street, wherever. Chances are you can trade someone even up your super single wheels for their dual wheels. Some guys like them for the weight reduction. Best of luck truck driver!😉

  • @michaelsorrentino9279

    @michaelsorrentino9279

    11 ай бұрын

    $300 hundred, where are you buying tires from, the back door??

  • @KSE828

    @KSE828

    10 ай бұрын

    Duals are a LOT more expensive than super singles. If you’re not going to be out every day relying on this truck for work or whatever, the singles should be fine. I would caution against driving it in the winter with them, though. I can’t count the number of times I’ve gotten stuck. There’s also no way your getting virgin steers for $300 each, and if you do find them, that’s cheap enough that I’d be suspicious as hell.

  • @davidestrada7337

    @davidestrada7337

    9 ай бұрын

    @@KSE828yes you can get them even lower. u gotta know people we get them virgins for 245 NEW each we have a trucking company

  • @kevinhargro4001

    @kevinhargro4001

    9 ай бұрын

    I totally agree with these guys. Safe travels.😁🙏

  • @richardthomas1743
    @richardthomas174311 ай бұрын

    That was a great buy and you did real good for your first time driving a big rig. I agree with duals on the drive axle. Usually tire cupping problems are caused by loose steering parts, bad shocks or simply being badly out of balance to begin with, also make sure the wheel alignment is okay. Congrats and thumbs UP!! 👍

  • @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    11 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @quentonmillstid850

    @quentonmillstid850

    11 ай бұрын

    4:06 "I've driven these before" not the first time. Please listen to his words.

  • @gabeackermanackerman1084
    @gabeackermanackerman108411 ай бұрын

    First thing first check your king pins for play. Then front shocks. Those tires usually don't just cup or wear like that.

  • @gabeackermanackerman1084

    @gabeackermanackerman1084

    11 ай бұрын

    And wheel bearings as well.

  • @Hdogdog7
    @Hdogdog711 ай бұрын

    I'm a mechanic at a fleet shop, we mostly run volvos and macks, although most of our stuff is a little newer. These trucks have been relatively trouble free, we do see a lot of issues with fuel systems getting clogged up and throwing low pressure codes, there is a banjo bolt on the fuel filter inlet and it can get pretty clogged up. The mileage is pretty high, and considering the lack of blowby and not many leaks, it has probably been refreshed. You should check king pins for play, grease all the points in the suspension. Those tires aren't worn normally, I would check wheel bearings or alignment. Only major failures we've seen air top end, mostly cracked heads and one that dropped a valve. Overall seems like a great buy, 6K is a steal for what you got.

  • @rubbersidedown7992

    @rubbersidedown7992

    6 ай бұрын

    Hey! 1 Q. Which brand actually offers relatively more reliable heavy engines?

  • @rubbersidedown7992

    @rubbersidedown7992

    6 ай бұрын

    Amongst Volvo/ scania/ man/mach .. .. ?

  • @Hdogdog7

    @Hdogdog7

    6 ай бұрын

    @@rubbersidedown7992 I'm american so we have different trucks over here, but we've had good luck with our volvo d13s and cummins x15s. I don't know if you have international brand trucks wherever you are but if so stay far away!

  • @rubbersidedown7992

    @rubbersidedown7992

    6 ай бұрын

    @@Hdogdog7 👍

  • @josephsamsor1698
    @josephsamsor169811 ай бұрын

    With semis, you never want to cheap out on front tires. Don’t necessarily need the most expensive ones but you always want good condition tires. If one blows it’s obviously dangerous but it’ll completely destroy the front end of the truck. New hood, fender, and headlight minimum. Otherwise this thing is awesome. My dad had an 07 with 1.2 million miles on an isx, but a full sleeper truck. Might be worth heading to a truck salvage yard and seeing if there’s better seats to buy, maybe with better armrests or whatever else. I’m subbing for this because I really wish I had an excuse for a single axle semi and I’d specifically want a Volvo too.

  • @michaelsorrentino9279

    @michaelsorrentino9279

    11 ай бұрын

    True stay away far away from Chinese imported tires, your life and those around you depend on them!

  • @DevinRostron
    @DevinRostron11 ай бұрын

    Great truck. Definitely get a professional dot inspection done by someone who you trust so they can look at the airbags and the brake Chambers. Keep cash on you when you do take for your first trip, the heavy towing companies charge a lot less for cash than they do credit or check❤

  • @theside8177
    @theside817711 ай бұрын

    Just be careful semis dont like sitting for a long time sometimes brakes start sticking in the drums just be sure everything is good whenever you get back to driving and dont forget to keep up on maintenance

  • @robertgreer5229
    @robertgreer522911 ай бұрын

    You look jacked,Working out? Nice rig! Let’s start hauling !!!!

  • @mylifethaidiy7045

    @mylifethaidiy7045

    11 ай бұрын

    P90x

  • @chezcake8607
    @chezcake860711 ай бұрын

    man I really love these videos. been on a binge for the past few months and these just keep getting better and better. keep up the good work 👍

  • @anthonymcandrew529
    @anthonymcandrew52911 ай бұрын

    Congratulations... another awesome find! Looks like there's a lot of potential for what you can do with it & that includes having a lot of fun. Enjoy!

  • @therealdeal67
    @therealdeal6711 ай бұрын

    Great buy, great video, Keep em coming, enjoy what you do in the videos buying, fixing, etc. Stay safe and take care.

  • @buddyrevell6369
    @buddyrevell636911 ай бұрын

    Exciting purchase. Your hard work is paying off. Keep killing it!

  • @dotgeorge4649
    @dotgeorge464911 ай бұрын

    Found your channel recently and this is the sickest thing so far. Got me tingling. Very much needed at the moment.

  • @WaldosWorld
    @WaldosWorld11 ай бұрын

    That's awesome! Looks like a good truck for a great price. Now go get your CDL so you can sponsor me 😂

  • @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    11 ай бұрын

    Thanks! Give me 2 months haha

  • @danielkingery2894

    @danielkingery2894

    11 ай бұрын

    Whatever Waldo....we don't ever get any Cool Cornbinder vids anyway. 😛

  • @justinnagy9206
    @justinnagy920611 ай бұрын

    Congrats! 🎉 Definitely looking forward to seeing your channel grow with this bad boy! 👍Keep up the great work!

  • @Justayeshivabochur
    @Justayeshivabochur11 ай бұрын

    This is my favorite KZread channel, it’s so authentic!! Always looking forward to the next video :)

  • @supersin22
    @supersin2211 ай бұрын

    Congrats looks like an awesome truck good find! Hope you get your cdl with no problem. Can't wait to see what you do with it.

  • @thinkabout602
    @thinkabout60211 ай бұрын

    We are in the BIG LEAGUES now. Congrats 💪

  • @itsnotme07
    @itsnotme0711 ай бұрын

    Very cool purchase! Nice job driving it home. I was wondering where you'd park this beast. Should come in handy for those multiple purchases/drop offs at the auction.

  • @michaeldalton8374
    @michaeldalton837411 ай бұрын

    Man! That was a great buy!! Outstanding job!!

  • @tilkanash
    @tilkanash11 ай бұрын

    Now that's what I call a car trailer !!!!!! Well done !! I enjoyed watching you drive it home. I was smiling with you.😁

  • @deletedaccount612
    @deletedaccount61211 ай бұрын

    Excited for the video series! And that truck sounds great too!

  • @kalh.9241
    @kalh.924111 ай бұрын

    Love the auction videoed! Keep up the good work !

  • @thx54
    @thx5411 ай бұрын

    Congratulations 👍🏻 nice semi, looking forward for more!

  • @karlweppler1325
    @karlweppler132511 ай бұрын

    9.8 mpg! Better than I thought lol. Great stuff man! Keep it up!

  • @salutations5749
    @salutations574911 ай бұрын

    Balls Baby, Balls !!!! Seeing those tires and then seeing the rain, Balls man for a maiden voyage. Awesome buy and cant wait to see whats next.

  • @crazyppl9174
    @crazyppl917411 ай бұрын

    Woooowww what a steal! I can't believe you got all of that for 6k! Can't wait for the next vids and seeing what you do with the trailer! Congrats!

  • @dave11686
    @dave1168611 ай бұрын

    Love the sound of a diesel! My dad worked on trucks and inspects them

  • @bryansmith3739
    @bryansmith373911 ай бұрын

    Congratulations and welcome to the big leagues

  • @tommyboy8524
    @tommyboy852411 ай бұрын

    Congratulations on your purchase. That’s going to be cool videos once you get your C D L. good luck

  • @Ramcharger85
    @Ramcharger8511 ай бұрын

    Congrats on the buy. Nice Rig. 😊

  • @ashtonpane4145
    @ashtonpane414511 ай бұрын

    Great video, can’t wait to see more content on the truck!

  • @user-ze7zs1lr5z
    @user-ze7zs1lr5z11 ай бұрын

    Exciting purchase. Your hard work is paying off. Keep killing it!. Exciting purchase. Your hard work is paying off. Keep killing it!.

  • @chaseferguson37
    @chaseferguson3711 ай бұрын

    New Fuel filter, new oil filter, check all brakes shoes/drums, slack adjusters, air canister, S-cams, bushings for your suspension, leaf springs (check for cracks), king pin on your steer axel (might be causing uneven tire wear), check your hub oil, see if hub cab is leaking, wheel seals. That’s a good start and get it all clean so you can see where the leaks are originating from. I’m not a mechanic just a fellow trucker.

  • @bellowsjeep3999
    @bellowsjeep399911 ай бұрын

    Awesome job! As a trucker, I am impressed with your driving skills without having your CDL. You did a fantastic job shifting. What a deal on the truck, super cheap! Were you using the clutch to shift or no? Looked like no. You shift those by rpm and not so much by clutch. Well done if that’s the way you did it! I’m sure you probably know about the “clutch brake” as well, right? To get it into first gear, you have to put the clutch to the floor. I’m really impressed with how well you did with it. You must have had some stick time in a yard somewhere. Good luck, I’ll be watching!

  • @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    11 ай бұрын

    Thank you! I was floating best I could and I have a messed around a bit in the yard before. Appreciate it!

  • @johnmcelroy2900

    @johnmcelroy2900

    11 ай бұрын

    Those 10 speed Eaton don't have syncros so u shift without clutch if u try 2 your gonna grind alot I used to drive alot 10 speeds

  • @bellowsjeep3999

    @bellowsjeep3999

    11 ай бұрын

    @@ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182 also, it’s a four hundred rpm span between shifts, for example, upshifting pull it out of gear at 1600, it goes in the next gear at 1200rpms. The opposite is true for down shifts. Good luck!

  • @TheSlagman0

    @TheSlagman0

    11 ай бұрын

    When you shift gears watch your rpms and take your time when shifting ,it's not a race ! Good luck

  • @Dingthedingbat

    @Dingthedingbat

    4 ай бұрын

    Children killer, Steven Dewey, a child killer is a truck driver from Hartford Connecticut that moved to Vermont

  • @dangoodall-williams4200
    @dangoodall-williams420011 ай бұрын

    WOW, sooooo happy for you. As the saying goes, you gotta spend money to make money. You will have no trouble getting your cdl. Best of luck. Look forward to you getting it ready for the road.

  • @doctorryanmiescke
    @doctorryanmiescke11 ай бұрын

    Good buy! It looks like so much fun. Great.

  • @justinraystyles3537
    @justinraystyles353711 ай бұрын

    That's a steal of a deal for that that setup is worth at least 12grand!!💗 you basically bought the truck and got the trailer for free!!👍

  • @brianleclerc1593
    @brianleclerc159311 ай бұрын

    WoW your in the big leagues now. That rig is neat.

  • @sds433
    @sds43311 ай бұрын

    Way cool rig! Good purchase.

  • @nickwillard4471
    @nickwillard447111 ай бұрын

    This is so cool! I work up in Derby Vermont detailing cars at a place that sells cars and big trucks like this. Every now and then I clean big trucks like this. You're right about the seats. Most of them are awful.

  • @thomasallen6980

    @thomasallen6980

    11 ай бұрын

    Something about gas station burritto's that turns gas(farts) into a chemical that rots p-leather seats.

  • @nickwillard4471

    @nickwillard4471

    11 ай бұрын

    @@thomasallen6980 they seem to get really stiff. Almost feels like sitting on a church pew.

  • @soowoo642
    @soowoo64211 ай бұрын

    Excited for you man, thats a great looking rig for 6k! For the trailer tires and drive tires you might want to look into getting a grooving iron, those heavy tires can usually be re-grooved to get your moneys worth out of em.

  • @MeagerHomeless
    @MeagerHomeless11 ай бұрын

    Good luck with the CDL getting a class A is difficult but it seems like you already have the hang of it

  • @ianp8879
    @ianp887911 ай бұрын

    Excited to see the series. Good find

  • @bryanhachey
    @bryanhachey11 ай бұрын

    Sweet buy! And I was pretty impressed with the driving!

  • @MrJose1998
    @MrJose199811 ай бұрын

    Nice buy bro , you are killing it

  • @tomjones648
    @tomjones64811 ай бұрын

    congrats great buy, have fun with it!

  • @TheLowlyTraveller
    @TheLowlyTraveller11 ай бұрын

    That's a good deal man. I haven't had trouble from a Volvo engine when I drove truck. Work on progressive shifting. Shift at 1200-1300 in the low range and 1350-1450 in the high range. It should be smoother.

  • @tymac3306
    @tymac33069 ай бұрын

    Your channel is growing fast,....I've been subbed for at least 2017 years...

  • @robbalinski1606
    @robbalinski160611 ай бұрын

    That's a fantastic buy for sure! No blowby either that engine was very well taken care of or had an in frame. Most volvo engines will crack heads before the bottom end goes, know plenty of people that have well into the 1.6 million and only cracked a head. The slower you accelerate and the lower your rpm stay's on the highway the longer the engines going to last. You definitely need steer tires, they'll be $500 each minimum! Looking at how they're worn, you either have broken belts in the tires or your alignments out, soon as you get steers on it go for an alignment (Very in expensive and will save those pricy tires) and check over that front end thoroughly. Take my advise or don't up to you. I'm an owner op and was a truck mechanic for 5 years.

  • @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    @ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182

    11 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @RohanSanjith

    @RohanSanjith

    5 ай бұрын

    Truck engines don't rev to 7000rpm, they spend majority 1500 1600 rpms, it's about oil and air filter maintenance

  • @tikiman48
    @tikiman4811 ай бұрын

    Sweet deal nice buy. That motor will be more than enough for what youd be hauling. Its probably underpowered in dump truck/vocational applications. And yeah get duals in the back, also safer if a blowout occurs

  • @the_truck_farmer

    @the_truck_farmer

    11 ай бұрын

    In a place that gets snow and ice the traction of duals is infinitely better

  • @jamsterr98
    @jamsterr9811 ай бұрын

    congrats man. keep on truckin!

  • @Trumptrain2024FJB
    @Trumptrain2024FJB10 ай бұрын

    Wow great deal on the combination! Congratulations

  • @kaeloblashomb8033
    @kaeloblashomb803311 ай бұрын

    Damn imagine the money you could make with this getting 4 cars from Florida and bringing them to our rusty state lol make money and bring some non rusty cars to sell at the auction, the 3,000 miles round trip would be nothing to this beast too, my dad used to go to this auction and take me with him when I was a kid before he moved back to live in Florida so it’s awesome seeing your videos of the exact place lol, He’d always bring cars without titles (over 15 years old) and sometimes Japanese cars or muscle cars to sell that would usually be long extinct in the north

  • @ChevyDude81
    @ChevyDude8111 ай бұрын

    What a score! Congratulations!

  • @MuddSlinger99
    @MuddSlinger9911 ай бұрын

    Don’t cheap out with a semi on maintenance. Mr DOT loves people who cheap out on maintenance!

  • @brianspencer2564
    @brianspencer256411 ай бұрын

    I've been a truck driver for 20 years, and you did very well on floating the gears. (Shifting without the clutch). The one thing you should work on is to learn how to double clutch. The DMV inspector for when you take the driving test will need to see that you know how to double clutch. Study hard and practice your VT state maneuvers. Good luck. Great buy on the rig and trailer.

  • @rossbowman202
    @rossbowman20211 ай бұрын

    Congratulations on the truck.

  • @bangerz_tcg
    @bangerz_tcg11 ай бұрын

    Loving the content keep it up!

  • @ajfergy5569
    @ajfergy556911 ай бұрын

    Dude 6k for a semi AND trailer is a fuckin steal, grats man, gl learning!

  • @resurrectionmotors2421
    @resurrectionmotors242111 ай бұрын

    Awesome new reg, this should really help grow your channel with much more efficiency. God bless

  • @Brooklynraised68
    @Brooklynraised6811 ай бұрын

    Awesome buy good luck

  • @jameshacker2059
    @jameshacker205911 ай бұрын

    Man bro keep uploading plz I love the content

  • @engineer_alv
    @engineer_alv11 ай бұрын

    I love the new rig. And you stole it for 6 grand. Can't wait to see what you do with it. Keep the videos coming!

  • @kingsamoanOG
    @kingsamoanOG11 ай бұрын

    Thats a great grab for your first Rig and always remember to float those gears to save your clutch.

  • @NativeMainer53
    @NativeMainer5311 ай бұрын

    Awesome purchase, you are becoming a mini conglomerate.

  • @proudtexan5513
    @proudtexan551311 ай бұрын

    What a damn good deal, dude!!!!

  • @TechOut
    @TechOut11 ай бұрын

    I think check brake ecu is common after dead battery too

  • @zachwisler9976
    @zachwisler997611 ай бұрын

    Your shifting was impressive! Its like you’ve been driving rigs for a while already

  • @arthurdugger9039
    @arthurdugger903911 ай бұрын

    Congrats. Your the man.

  • @jollygoodsnow3412
    @jollygoodsnow341211 ай бұрын

    Congrats on your purchase

  • @bigmountain7561
    @bigmountain756111 ай бұрын

    Great Hot Shot Truck for the Price!! I turned in my CDL about a year ago I am retired from driving and my 22 F150 suffices enough. Great Videos

  • @1leggeddog
    @1leggeddog11 ай бұрын

    wow that is huge for you and your channel!!

  • @craymaste5442
    @craymaste544210 ай бұрын

    Damn I’m jealous. That’s a nice ride man.

  • @yankeesaugust
    @yankeesaugust11 ай бұрын

    Badass man, I love Volvo semis

  • @proudtexan5513
    @proudtexan551311 ай бұрын

    Damn good shifting overall!

  • @johnshaw4140
    @johnshaw414011 ай бұрын

    Deffo fit dual tyres on the drive axle , also fit some spares under the trailer , much cheaper to swap a blown-out tyre for your own spare than trying to buy on the road , those Volvo trucks are brilliant to drive , our company has 60 of them , all cabovers of course in the UK due to vehicle length regulations , great chanel mate , Waldo recomended you

  • @michaelgaribaldi9216
    @michaelgaribaldi921611 ай бұрын

    Heck of a buy there for that price! After replacing the steer tires duals on the rear would definitely be a smart decision.. Two biggest buys right there. Possibly need new batteries as well?? Good luck with CDL school I'm considering going to get mine as well.

  • @zackwalker684
    @zackwalker68411 ай бұрын

    Watching the drive home I could tell everybody wanted to pull out infront of you 😂

  • @ryzen397
    @ryzen39711 ай бұрын

    what a sweet truck man

  • @robertmailhos8159
    @robertmailhos815911 ай бұрын

    Looks like you got a decent looking tractor rig and trailer

  • @AdamB12
    @AdamB1211 ай бұрын

    Nice! Now you can get all your cars you buy at an auction home in one trip! Good luck getting the CDL!

  • @laydman4907
    @laydman490711 ай бұрын

    Love these videos

  • @ILOVEBACONBOY2018
    @ILOVEBACONBOY201811 ай бұрын

    Love the videos.

  • @JohnWDavisMedia
    @JohnWDavisMedia11 ай бұрын

    You are the goat for buying a Semi Truck! 🛻

  • @the_truck_farmer
    @the_truck_farmer11 ай бұрын

    You should see if you can find a semi truck junk yard to score parts like a new/used seat and dual drive wheels.

  • @emkayusa
    @emkayusa11 ай бұрын

    Tip in shifting that you will learn in CDL school anyway, unloaded you can start out in 4th or even 5th, and you don’t need to rev up to get moving, just let the clutch out then feed it fuel. Even loaded I usually started out in 3rd, 2nd only going up hill. I don’t know if you’ve been floating gears while downshifting yet, that takes practice.

  • @jamesstout3430
    @jamesstout343011 ай бұрын

    Q-Man! What a fantastic buy. I'd be too scared to drive something that large, lol!

  • @matthewheinze1231
    @matthewheinze123111 ай бұрын

    Did good on the deal bud. Soon as you get new streer tires definitely get a alignment job. Those have wear showing alignment/shock wear. Super singles are beter for fuel economy but when you blow one you are done. This will be a great addition. Think ole Joe for the CDL school......

  • @davidzook5220
    @davidzook522011 ай бұрын

    hey, great job on the driving for being a first-time driver. I will say that for the amount of power and gears that you have, skipping gears is going to be tougher than it would be in a 13 or 18 speed. One thing to improve would be to slow down and watch your engine rpms closely (lining them up with the transmission for a smooth shift) to avoid grinding gears, once you have those figured out you can shift gears blindfolded.

  • @jacknimble1
    @jacknimble111 ай бұрын

    A smart Vermonter would take that thing down to Florida and fill that trailer with 4 rust free cars. Drive it back to VT and sell them. Looking forward to seeing what you do with this thing.

  • @kamerajalanan7176
    @kamerajalanan717611 ай бұрын

    very good purchase, success for you

  • @peyton.c8399
    @peyton.c839911 ай бұрын

    keep em coming

  • @Julian-do7bv
    @Julian-do7bv11 ай бұрын

    This is going to be fun you can do so much with a semi

  • @canadiansean4351
    @canadiansean435111 ай бұрын

    Great buy 🎉

  • @unclebs4732
    @unclebs473211 ай бұрын

    Don't use spray cans, Use PPG ALK 200 Alkalid Enamel. This paint is very good for what you want to do on the trailer. For less than $100.00 you get a gallon sprayable, you don't reduce. I sell this paint every week.

  • @kenh8925
    @kenh892511 ай бұрын

    I drove a single-axel Volvo for a few years around the Boston area. Those things turn on a dime. A few years ago I was a salesman at L&B Freightliner and we usually had a couple of used seats around. To me, the seat is the most essential part of the truck lol

  • @robertvance1873
    @robertvance187311 ай бұрын

    Good Job 👍

  • @rirebel6029
    @rirebel602911 ай бұрын

    Dude if thats your first time driving a 10 speed rig you did super good ! When i got my cdl there were multiple kids that had been there for over a yesr snd couldnt go from 1st to 2nd

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