You should definitely mention in your listing that the disc has been refurbished.

@Clodd1

5 ай бұрын

Yes.

@tsuikagura

5 ай бұрын

Yes. A resurdaced disc is NOT the same condition as one without a scratch. Please don't be the kind of scum that does this.

@Boogie_the_cat

5 ай бұрын

The whole thing is sketchy because 1) no real human would be excited about paying over $4000 American money for a disc resurfacer. And 2) the discs in the thumbnail are obviously photoshopped, did you notice how the holes aren't in the center of the disc? Lazy Photoshop jobs piss me off. For 3000 pounds they can't even be bothered to center the hole in their fake before and after images? It's probably just a motor to spin the disc with sandpaper in the lid. Don't bother. Plus, if your discs are that scratched, disc rot will begin in those scratched areas, and resurfacing will not fix rot.

@TheThemrnizmo

5 ай бұрын

I would be happy. 🤷‍♂@@Boogie_the_cat

@AcousticNRG

5 ай бұрын

why thou

I love this machine. I got one at work for our DVD library and it works great. it has been sold in the US under the RTI and ELM brands for those looking for one in the states. Keep in mind that these auto machines are meant to be used often, and if you go a week or two between uses you will find that the polishing compound will thicken/dry out a bit in the supply tube. You should purge the tube prior to use if it has been sitting awhile. Hold both the red and "5" buttons down simultaneously to enter the maintenance mode. Press "2" to run the polish compound pump forwards and "3" to run it backwards. To purge, I usually run it forwards for 10secs or so with a paper towel under the nozzle where the compound and water come out of to catch what squirts out. I usually run it until all the thick compound has come out and no compound continues to seep out after the pump has been stopped. You may recycle any thick compound by putting it back in the compound bottle reservoir and adding a tiny bit of water and shake the bottle to rehydrate it.

5 ай бұрын

thank you for your advice Mr. Gates!

You should mention on any listing that the discs been professionally cleaned.

@budgetking2591

5 ай бұрын

No he don't, there is no law that says he has too.

@SwapPartLLC

5 ай бұрын

I would list them as refurbished. They literally are refurbished, and that means they are worth more than a scratched up game.

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

It is mentioned in my listings.

@Aaron-ge7ho

5 ай бұрын

@@SwapPartLLC Also, not everyone would bother with it cause... "collectors"... but everytime you polish a thing, it will get thinner and thinner. It's like sharpening a knife; If you keep doing it over and over, the already thin surface could get so much thinner at a certain point that the blade will end up breaking. Thats why Blockbuster's and similar franchises used to trash some of their content instead of selling everything after some time back at its days.

@AndyMitchellUK26

5 ай бұрын

@@budgetking2591 No, there's no law but it is nice to mention because there are only so many times you can repair a disc before you go too far. Knowing this upfront is handy for future use.

I remember sending off some discs a few years back to have them resurfaced. They were mainly second hand ones I’d bought and were a bloody mess. They came back looking like new! I have no use for one these days, yet I’d still like to own one 😊

Seems very strange that it wants mineral water, which is full of impurities, rather than clean distilled water.

@dh2032

5 ай бұрын

I think that for international community, where water your local swamp or dich, but say mineral water at least say, drinkable water, but as you said distilled water is going to give a more drip dry, mo buffing need finish, but I thing final hand wipe down going be needed anyway, so it's more what the cheapest, after £3000 outlay the cheaper the better I would think 🙂

@ChickenMcThiccken

5 ай бұрын

impurities = little rocks and things. helps resurfacing

@JeffisWinning

5 ай бұрын

Mine takes distilled water. I have no idea what the mineral water is about.

@ruudw.2403

5 ай бұрын

true mineral water is clean enough maybe you can get demineralized water at the pharmacy.

@Savagetechie

5 ай бұрын

@@ruudw.2403 you can buy it cheap at the petrol station never mind tiny bottles from a pharmacy.

If I were a buyer, I'd personally like to know it is a refurbished disc. You should probably note that on listings.

@danmac0

6 ай бұрын

And how would he know? He buys used games that could already have been refurbished years ago

@budgetking2591

5 ай бұрын

too bad you'll never really know then

@SwapPartLLC

5 ай бұрын

Personally, I would expect a refurbished disc would be worth more. All it's doing is polishing the surface.

@user-ij1ll9br6j

5 ай бұрын

what difference does it make if there is no difference?

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

It is mentioned in my listings. I sell them as refurbished.

That PS2 FIFA 08 game cleaned up amazingly well. Should be able to flip that one game and cover the cost of the resurfacing machine! :-)

Thought the disc didnt look that great then i realised my tablet screen was dirty lol results are amazing never realised these machines existed ps2 games looked great blu rays are a nightmare to clean better than the toothpaste hack back in the day good luck with the rest of your collection

@rosly_yt

4 ай бұрын

Same, this video got me to clean my laptop screen :P

That machine was not cheap but you cannot argue with the results. Wow! I have a resurfacing machine and it does an incredible job but the ease of use of your machine is on another level. As more and more people start to realize the problems of an all digital future I believe physical copies of games and movies are going to be more sought after. I love the fact it also does Gamecube games. My machine does not and Gamecube games really hold their value so that is outstanding. Thanks for sharing and congrats!

@ChickenMcThiccken

5 ай бұрын

there is that. then there is the problem of finding any "blank dvd's" or a "dvd burner". i got a boatload of blank dvd's.

@UmVtCg

4 ай бұрын

LOL You ain't gonna stop an all digital future. All discs will eventually degrade and become unreadable. Same goes for anything Physical, consoles, strorage, etc etc. It's not "if" but "when".

Buddy of mine owns a retro game store. He has the exact same machine. I can vouch for its effectiveness.

I am not sure if you want to put bluray through these. I have worked in Czech alternative to Game (JRC) and we were told not to do blurays due to the fact that there is a hardened scratch resistant glass-like layer on top that you'll polish off and the discs than scratch even easier or become cloudy and since the data is much denser on the bluray you basically doom it. The plastic below the top layer is very thin and once you go through it you are hitting data. A scratch on bluray that makes the disc inoperable means that no matter what you do you won't be able to save it. The machine may have a special program for blurays but trust me - you do not want to polish it at all if you care about longetivity of the disc. And if you insist on doing blurays, you should clean the pads between the rounds to not have leftover compound on them. Our machine was also BD compatible but after many customers returning we stopped doing BDs. Also do not wipe the compound off, wash it off under running water with a bit of dish soap and soft clean sponge that you wash out afterwards for best results. The compound is abrasive so wiping it will create scratches.

"Four li'ah Wo'ah Bo'ah" Yes, Four liter Water bottle 😆

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

😆

These machines are amazing, I used to own the model below this one it was more work because you had to remove each pad after each cycle but still got the same results just for a slightly cheaper price 😀

I used to operate a proper CD skimmer machine at a game shop quite a few years back when they first became available, not those crappy machines that just buffs CD's, & I have to agree whole heartedly, they are amazing! Chances are, whatever disc you put into to skim, they will be turned back into flawless factory condition. If I had a spare £3k, I would definitely buy one. I must of operated one of the first models because it resembled a top loading washer machine & I can still remember what it looked like all them years ago, going on for 20 years now!

Back in the 90s I worked for a marble and granite restoration company in The City so I'm familiar with the process of cutting/wet sanding and then re polishing surfaces which basically what this very expensive machine is doing. I just like to say that it's not that difficult to do by hand with the right chemicals and sanding pads so anybody who wants to polish up their collection and doesn't want to spend 1000s do some research on the process👍😎

@ConradAlderton

6 ай бұрын

What are the right sanding pads to use?

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

@@ConradAlderton Defiantly dont use 240 grit on a disc! That will destroy it!

Great content mate always learning great break downs thank you

A OCDs dream that office. That machine is great you can literally see the playstation logos after you cleaned them. Great investment. 👍

@TOMS_TAT

6 ай бұрын

Oh yes the OCD is strong in this shed.

I've had my JFJ Easy pro for 3 years now & once you get the hang of it you get excellent results. Huge bonus is there are many car polishes you can use which are cheaper than expensive compounds. The trick is to make sure the disc is wet so you don't burn through it 👍😊

@luke9511

5 ай бұрын

does it do blu ray? i have been thinking of getting one but not sure

@stuartball4639

5 ай бұрын

@@luke9511 Yes it does Blu-ray as well & even GameCube games with an adapter 👍😊 if you Google it, it explains all of it 😊 just make sure the disc is wet or it will burn it, takes some practice so use crap discs first when practicing.

@JeffisWinning

5 ай бұрын

​@luke9511 JFJ does Blu-Ray, as does the machine in the video here. Blu-ray discs can only be polished, though.

@luke9511

5 ай бұрын

@@JeffisWinning thats all i want to do, i rip all of my blu rays and i have some that will play but not rip and was wanting to run them through something like the jfj

@JeffisWinning

5 ай бұрын

@luke9511 It can do it, but the JFJ is tricky. You have to find the right way to do it for the discs to come out looking good. I had a JFJ and could never get the discs to come out right, so I sold it and got a machine like the one in the video.

If you can get the grit specifications of each pad you might want to look at alternatives, "micro mesh" make very fine abrasives in very high grits, used for polishing polycarbonate and metal :)

Wow that thing I'd nice. Back in like 2003 I had a manual one. It worked pretty well.

Awesome machine tom, never have to worry about buying scratched discs at carboots anymore

@TOMS_TAT

6 ай бұрын

Indeed, but I can still try to knock the prices down if there scratched 😅

Very interesting and a great machine that really does the job properly a lot of negative comments here the outer plastic layer on CDs is thick enough most scratches are not deep .I didn't realise those game discs were so collectable and valuable good for your business

Really impressed, especially with the ps1 disc as they're difficult to clean. I have a cheaper machine. Does the job on xbox 360, og xbox, ps2, wii, but struggles with coloured discs like ps1. But it's good enough to get things traded to cex which is what I use it for.

I want one. Just for satisfaction purposes only. I could sit there all day repairing discs.

As someone who has used this machine now for 5 years, you can cheat a bit when fixing a very heavily scratched bluray. Run the bluray disc on the CD setting for a 2 and then switch to the bluray pad for a 4, and you will get great results. I've even used a 3 CD setting before then bluray for a very heavy fix, and the disc played perfectly still! Hope this helps!

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

Wow thanks for the tip!

@ChickenMcThiccken

5 ай бұрын

blu rays don't need resurfacing. you just need a good pad and buff it out. the coating on blu rays is ridiculous. i buffed all my used games with the same rag that came with the vr headset. buffed all the marks out. you can't do that with cd's.

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

@@ChickenMcThiccken you can do that with cd's using t-cut

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

I tried this and the game doesn't work now lol 😆

Wow, that works way better than the Skip Dr hand crank one I used many ages ago! While it did work most of the time correcting disc errors, this machine is a whole other level!

Thats so satisfying to see them come out so nice

That is so satisfying. Couple things I feel like mentioning is when you add the additive to the water, you should mix the bottle up after. Also you could probably make the pads last longer if your blast them out with compressed air, kind of like car detailers do. Hopefully save you some money from buying new pads

Very interesting! I love these special devices!

Nice looking machine!. Definitely looks like it beats the SkipDr I used 25 years ago. 😅

You should show you trying to load the game before/after buffing

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

Yes I should of done that tbh. I have fixed loads of non working discs and they would of been good to show in the video.

You should only be using distilled water because spring water contains minerals that will coat the valves and tubes of the machine with residue and eventually impair it's function. Mineral water is water containing various minerals and is often sourced from springs, while distilled water is vapor-condensed water with impurities and minerals removed.

@TOMS_TAT

4 ай бұрын

Yes your right. I have a water distiller now.

I only recommend doing this on games that do not work on consoles with good lasers. The CDs may look great after doing this, but they may be worse. I've tried this method a few times and ended up ruining a few games. The problem is that the distance the light of the laser has to travel inside the CD diminishes and that affects if the CD works or not.

@p529.

4 ай бұрын

What are you yappin about man

that machine is insane. wow, im amazed this works so well.

Mate, absolutely insane. I can’t believe how immaculate they came out! New subscriber ✌🏻

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

That is a class machine, nice buy

I used to have a Dr. Disc or whatever it was called that cost like $100 way back in the day that used to beautifully clear up scratches on discs. Super awesome.

A games shop I used to work in had a manual version of one of these and likely much earlier as it was around 2012ish. The pads were foam pads you had to stick the abrasive pads on

I bought a $30 disc cleaning and resurfacing machine by Memorex about 10 years ago and it makes all the difference in the world for badly scratched discs, so I didn't have to go to extremes by spending GBP 3,000 or roughly $5,100 Canadian. The $5,070 I saved buys a lot of great movies, music, and gear instead. I can see buying that machine making sense for someone running a retail or reseller business, particularly when selling high volume, but it makes little sense for an individual living on a more modest budget. To each his own though and that machine certainly works well. :)

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

I use it for my reselling business and was the best option for what I need.

Alien game can sell up to £250 depending on condition etc, the hidden Backup Game Launcher on the disc has been unveiled and has made the cost sky rocket.

I'm subscribing because u seem like a very good person

What a phenomenal machine.

Great bit of kit that is mate

I remember when a place called Hastings would use one of these, and you could get handheld ones for personal use.

all disc users need 1.. they would look after them better after putting in the graft... Or maybe it'll have the opposite affect 😅👍 cool stuff.

I use to go to the local magazene shop, they also sold games, and had a resurfacing machine and resurfaced 2 of my old ps2 games and an xbox360 game for free 🙌🙌 This definitely looks much bigger than the one I used.

The water additive is probably to increase the wetting power; it's also used in photography. I would NOT use mineral water in this thing, by the way, no matter what the instructions say!

I remember my local video rental store had one of these, and you could pay for disc resurfacing there but it was quite expensive. I got a game doctor myself, but the resurfacing spray was pretty expensive, and difficult to get hold of, but it worked pretty well, although the surface ends up a bit wavy afterwards. I also never knew there were two playstation logo's on the bottom of a ps2 disc, as i was only used to seeing the black ps1 one's, what an incredible job!

Tom, your content and video production is some of the best on KZread - superb!

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

Wow, thanks you so much!

Thanks for your sharing

Its been several years since I handled any optical discs. I still have a pretty large collection of DVD-Rs backing up data, but I already migrated that data to HDDs and to a cloud backup service. I would have continued to use optical discs to back up my data had the tech kept up with larger capacities.

Great bit of kit! I’m jealous mate 😂

@TOMS_TAT

6 ай бұрын

Jealousy accomplished.

6:30 „you fill that wit woaaa”

I do some resurfacing. Every game I resurface I make sure I put that in the listing, as well, and I always test them out. Sometimes you can get a beautifully non scratched disc, but won't boot after the fact.

@TOMS_TAT

21 күн бұрын

What machine do you use?

@DougieBoy

21 күн бұрын

@@TOMS_TAT I use a mini hand held DA polisher. I'm an automotive detailer by trade with 20 years exp, so I know how to buff. I get the scratches out about 85-90%. LOL, I bought the mini hand held polisher from china for like $30. Eventually I'll get a machine to do it for me.

I used to do this by hand with the finest compound for car painting and a ball of cotton.

Well done m8 Game Preservation is more important than ever

that does look good!

So cool!

Meanwhile, I got almost the same results with my Dremel, some toothpaste and a polishing wheel 😂

Nice review!

My friends dad had one when we owned a shop they're quite amazing machines.

This machine at the local Blockbuster saved me a game that my xbox 360 chewed...

Wow marvelous machine n quite expensive too

It is only the low production volumes that make this machine expensive; what it actually does is in theory very simple: sanding with a rinsing/lubricating agent, and then polishing with a polishing compound. You can achieve much the same by hand but it takes more time and experience/practice to get a similar finish; the real money (labour) saver is that this thing does its magic in only a few minutes whilst you can do something else.

3000?? I worded in radio for 25 years. Machines like this topped out at 500 in the mid 90's. WOW!!

@Akuajin

6 ай бұрын

There were never machines of this caliber that resurfaced discs like this in the 90’s.

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

Machines like this didn't exist in the 90's. Not ones as good as this anyway.

Does a way better job than the old CD scratch removers that looked like a portable CD player, that I purchased in the 90s.

Thats a cool machine!

Looks like in the long run it should pay for itself 👍

@chrisburns7979

6 ай бұрын

should be using distilled water

Would you say in the listing that the disc has been resurfaced?

@migue647

5 ай бұрын

Obvio que no. Cuál sería la gracia?

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

Yes.

Looks like a nice piece of equipment you have there! Only questions I would have is if it’s worth cleaning games like old FIFAs or just doing more valuable ones? And would you then list them as like new in the description instead of preowned/used?

@TOMS_TAT

6 ай бұрын

I only done fifa to test it out. I won't bother with fodder games.

Damn, nice machine!

I used to work at a record/CD shop and we used a similar machine. I agree with the other commenters that online you should prolly tell them.

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

Yes I sell them as refurbished.

Great machine

Mate just mentioning that off it says use specifically _Distilled Water_ then use that. Spring (or mineral) water is not pure, hence the term 'mineral'. You will get calcium buildup over time and clog up the whole system...

@TOMS_TAT

6 ай бұрын

Good point I'll have to change it.

@marktubeie07

6 ай бұрын

@@TOMS_TAT All good !

@CaptainGarratt

6 ай бұрын

Was coming to the comments to say that. Used to work with these, distilled all the way

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

@@CaptainGarratt Where can i buy distilled water?

@MattFowlerBTR

5 ай бұрын

@@TOMS_TAT Deionised will *probably* also be ok, and you can get that from Halfords.

What a machine! Scratched discs are so frustrating. It would be interesting to see if the machine could fix a non-playing disc.

@TOMS_TAT

6 ай бұрын

It can.

@steverogers8163

6 ай бұрын

sometimes. really depends on how deep the scratch is.

@thorwaldjohanson2526

5 ай бұрын

The data is in the metal layer, so if you can polish the plastic so the scratches don't block the laser, it should work again. Discs also have error correction and can handle some amount of scratches, but at some point it becomes too much.

Now we need disk creator machine 😂

great video 👍

I had my ps1 discs resurfaced and came back clean as hell but would not boot at all. Tbf it had deep scratches so I imagine they polished the data bumps right off lol. This was back in 2008 though.

Vid: Starts Me: Rotating my screen 20 deg clockwise

Yo Simply amazing, this making me want to sell games.

Nice bit of kit Tom, I use a JFJ Easy Pro and for the £300 I paid for it, it does the job, probably not as good as your machine, but it removes the scratches and does a great job, PS3 and PS4 discs do struggle though. As for commanding a better price I have always found that you have to undercut everybody in the gaming market because there is just so much competition, the condition will really only help a quicker sale but certainly not any extra money. The benefit I had was I no longer had to go to cash converters and hand over £1.50 each time I needed a disc cleaning.

@TOMS_TAT

6 ай бұрын

I used to under cut everyone, but if you promote your listings you don't need to. I promote by 2% and put stuff up for highest price and still get lots of sales.

@christopherlee3120

6 ай бұрын

I have now promoted all my listings to 2% and certainly has improved sales, I have you to thank :)

Now, the question is how to remove scratches from the inner spindle so people don't know they've been resurfaced, hmm...

very nice! CDs like new :)

As @brdnl3 suggested, it would be interesting to know how much material is removed on each pass. A £10 digital vernier caliper from Amazon would probably suffice. From what I've just read, CDs have a 1.2mm thick polycarbonate protective substrate, and the official specs require it to be no less than 1.1mm (a -0.1mm tolerance). DVDs have the data 0.6mm in from the surface. Blu-ray discs have the data later at 0.1mm from the surface, and as such have a special hardened protective outer surface. That would explain why BDs have a dedicated mode which I guess must be important to use. I'd love to see how much tolerance a CD, DVD and BD laser pickup demonstrates when a disc is progressively thinned to destruction. But at around 40p a pass, the consumable costs to perform such tests would be difficult to justify for the sake of a special interest KZread video.

@darkshadowsx5949

5 ай бұрын

you only have to destroy one disk to find out. people have spent more to do less. its only 50 cents US.

@sircompo

5 ай бұрын

​@@darkshadowsx5949Ideally it'd be one CD, one DVD, one BluRay. It's possible each pass only removes ~0.01mm and a CD might continue working until it's 0.6mm, so it adds up quickly. Would also be worth testing each disc on different devices to see if pickup tolerances vary much. I do agree though; the material costs aren't likely to be too bad, however it would be difficult to judge if the investment in time would be worth it.

What an amazing machine and the job is 1st class was worth a subscribe 😂

I hope you do some restoration of consoles as well. Some examples are gameboy clean/restoration, xbox capacitor replacement, deep cleaning ps1/ps2, retrobrite gamecube/snes.

@TOMS_TAT

6 ай бұрын

Yes I probably will. I used to do a lot of that sort of stuff.

wow that is very impressive

Nice machine 😊

Impressive equipment🙂👍

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

That what she said.

Bruuh when the disc came out 🤩

@Sonny_Jackson

5 ай бұрын

I have a manual one, while doing some research I found one called SkipDR, it is identical but purple, I think mine is over 10 years old, I needed it for a PS2 game that didn't work and it worked.On the other hand, the result has nothing to do with yours, no polishing and traces of pushing all around the disc but it worked again and perfectly. I think mine is for making a disk work again while yours is for making it new again 😂. And since you have to change pads for blu-rays and seeing as the process is different I don't think mine worked for a Blu-ray. However, I just need demineralized water 😂

Can I clean my game disc with disinfecting wipes, washing it over the sink, and using a paper towel to dry it? One huge problem i'm having when drying the disc with a Paper Towel is the white stuff on the disc. I did inspect it by using a flashlight or my house lights to see. & it's not coming off. Water and Disinfecting Wipes have no issues on the disc whatsoever. But when I want to dry if off, I don't have anything else. So is it worth doing that?

I don't believe that resurfacing a Blu-ray disc would cause it not to work. The protective layer should have the same refractive index as the disc itself. The only concern I would have is that if you remove the protective layer then you make the disc easy to scratch, just like DVD and CD.

The one in the game shop i work at cost over 9,000!!!

Hi, was that the full price you paid you shown, as i noticed on their site the listing page doesn't show price with vat, but when you go to checkout then the vat is added, so it costs more than you think when you checkout ?

@TOMS_TAT

6 ай бұрын

Yes, I originally went to buy it on their site, then saw the added VAT so I bought off their eBay store instead and didn't have to pay it! I saved hundreds of pounds lol 😆

Great machine, this should have existed 20 years ago. Nowadays I don't have a single optical media at home, I went full digital after most of my burned dvds started going bad.

I think the water additive is to prevent mineral buildup, bacteria and algies, If I was you I would use pure distilled water and avoid all additives.

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the tip. I'll get some distilled water for it.

@Capturing-Memories

5 ай бұрын

@@TOMS_TAT Also if the distilled water stays in the machine for a long period of time without being used change it anyway, say 2 to 3 weeks.

The water additive is just a mild detergent. You want distilled water, not mineral water, mainly because it makes the detergent more effective.

Nice one Tom, i use one of the less expensive versions but ut requires a time card which is frustrating. One point to note is Wii U games wont work after resurfacing, they might still load but will often crash even though the disc is mint. Something about the way Nintendo made the discs unfortunately.

@TOMS_TAT

5 ай бұрын

You can buy a hack that bypasses the time card on that machine

You should clean the dirt and oil from the disc first. Otherwise the dirt will get on the polish pads.

You defo got your money's worth with this machine