I Am a 35 Year Old Virgin & Proud! - Real Talk with Tamima
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I was virgin at 25 got married to a man who broke it, we got twin gals,,we separated after 3 years My point is,,virginity can't keep a man
@michelle.migide
4 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry for that but don't Worry God has seen your faithfulness and you will get someone who will love you unconditionally
@qatatvip5451
4 жыл бұрын
My fiancee broke it when I was 24 yrs old after 3 months he damped me like a snake now its nine years down the line and am single no sex a hate men with all my heart
@paulinekamau7618
4 жыл бұрын
Very true!!virginity cant/will never keep any man.I know a lady who was a virgin n she is now also divorced!!after a white wedding!!
@GeorgeOtieno
4 жыл бұрын
@@qatatvip5451 continue hating men lol
@qatatvip5451
4 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgeOtieno you can't talk like an idiot I know what I went through
Tamima is going to be a BIIIIG name in Kenya very soon!she is 🔥💯👌
@mnm0791
5 жыл бұрын
True
@Daniel-rq2ok
5 жыл бұрын
Agreed, she is Focused, Brilliant, Articulate and Sober. Aspiring journalists should learn a lot from her.
@idafaith7300
5 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@flavour_full741
5 жыл бұрын
I concur! she's good. being a counsellor, she's fit for this show. All she needs is real counsellors, not church youth advisers. sorry.. #said it.🙈
@paulinepolly1750
5 жыл бұрын
Thats true
Am 24yrs still a virgin nd i have this pressure of breaking my virginity, bt after watching this show i got encouraged nd i will keep moving strong🙏🙏
@phionanabafu3401
5 жыл бұрын
Plz don't go up to 35
@Kate_official2
5 жыл бұрын
@@phionanabafu3401 noop even 30
@idafaith7300
5 жыл бұрын
Keep it
@barnskiugs7169
5 жыл бұрын
Its good to remain virgin. My advice, kindly don't keep it because you're waiting 'God chosen' men. This will save you disappointments. Immediately, you say you're virgin, there is that one man whose intention will be to only concur your virginity, then disappear into thin air.
@Kate_official2
5 жыл бұрын
@@barnskiugs7169 i won't pressure myself i will wait till the ryt tym comes
Yeah!!! I love that there are people who value virginity... So inspiring
I am a guy and I am 25,a virgin too and I won`t be swayed around by either slay queens or sugarmomas...until my honeymoon day ndio nitasoma katiba.
@munenes.mwaura1958
5 жыл бұрын
Wow congrats bro, i like that 😍😍
@paulinepolly1750
5 жыл бұрын
congrats
@judykimere4088
5 жыл бұрын
hahahaaa, sisemi kitu mediskah Alantara
@sisimwomengich1402
5 жыл бұрын
Amen
@janetjeptoo4567
5 жыл бұрын
👌
Its a blessing to be a virgin,or walk in celibacy from where you are. Thank you LORD🙏🏽
@evansihugo2420
5 жыл бұрын
crap sorry for my bluntness
@ksubsnovideo-yv1qe
5 жыл бұрын
@@evansihugo2420 Your stupidity cannot be forgiven, sorry.
To the young girl who is having sex at will...I pray that you read this. I was once your age. I was 19when I gave my virginity. I slept around with many men. I was a no strings attached girl. I was you. I am 41 now and everything the counselor said is true. Thank God because of His Mercies and grace I found myself in my mid thirties, but sister had I wasted myself? I regret that life 100%. I am wiser now. But please learn from others. You don't want to find you at 40 disgusted by yourself. The counselor said very well, you won't be young forever. I thought I'd never get here! Here I am. I wish I did things differently. Little girl skiza wazee wakinena
@pennystang6065
5 жыл бұрын
The bibel says when you are youth enjoy life and thats what yoy did nothing to regret
@verizzonwanjiru1914
5 жыл бұрын
Touched
@elizafashionloverkeneth8219
5 жыл бұрын
Ciruu Njuguna dont regret dear CoZ God still Love you and stay positive minde its never to late for everyhting you what to achive .stay bleesd 😘😘
@Ivycontect1creater.
5 жыл бұрын
Ciruu njuguna..it's hard for some of us mh am 22 but I have a boyfriend...may Lord help that I will never regret cz of my decision
@shironjuguna5853
5 жыл бұрын
@@Ivycontect1creater. I hear you my dear! You will turn out fine with a good head on your shoulder! With God nothing becomes impossible or too hard to surmount! Just place value on YOU!
Wow. I thought I was alone. Being a virgin still rocks. Self Love.
@petterm9032
2 жыл бұрын
You are awesome. God bless you!
There's nothing sweeter than knowing you are a virgin...It's a tittle you earn after successfully making it above all.It feels special
@judywairimu8730
5 жыл бұрын
I know 😘😘
@mweusimrembo890
5 жыл бұрын
🤣
@godsown4683
5 жыл бұрын
I knoooow darling it's precious
@millicentatieno3495
5 жыл бұрын
Much love daughter hugs 😘😘😘👌
You don't look 35 wow gal you are beautiful & look young. Live your life whichever way you choose! Its yours
what i see in these girls they have decided to keep safe their bodies, may God bless them.
Am 30 years of age and very soon I'll be celebrating my 31 years. Proud also to be a virgin
@daniels9835
5 жыл бұрын
Thats awesome. God bless you
@adelle-theworshiper7852
5 жыл бұрын
I’m 31 and Still A Virgin Also an I’m VERY PROUD To Be A Virgin. Also I Make Up My mind That My Husband Only Would See My Body. It’s A Blessing and Honor Girl. God Has Send That One Person For Us To Join As One. And I’m Very Happy That I Have Waited.
@daniels9835
5 жыл бұрын
@@adelle-theworshiper7852 wow what a beautiful thing that you find too many women i never knew were so precious in their ways. Been proven wrong but all i hear is sex from teens to ratchet old women i guess set my mind to thing so awkwardly
@marilynyoh7951
5 жыл бұрын
turned 31 last month , a virgin
@lollibabe101
5 жыл бұрын
Hi I have a question please don’t take it the wrong way. People say they are waiting for marriage because of religious reasons. But we are meant to procreate, as a women in your 30s are you not worried that by the time you find a man it will be too late. If you are in a relationship leading to marriage then I think it is okay. But if your single at 30 isn’t that worrying? Genuine interest
I will be 29 years this year and still a virgin.. this was a decision I made when I was 18yrs ... I am happy and proud to say it feel good to know that if you put your mind and pray to God to help you... You can...
Me to I'm not ashamed to say that,my husband was my first love and he married me when I was a virgin at 21 years and we were blessed with two boys,though we later separated after 11 years of marriage,I don't regret because I gave my virginity to a man whom doesn't know how to value a woman though it was not my wish to be married by un appreciated man coz out of that I can see my children who are my first strength and I feel proud of them.I wish my fellow friends a good luck so that they will not gave out there virginity to bad spouses whom they will never appreciate there virginity.
@margaretshiko7204
5 жыл бұрын
Blessd mum. Why do u have the same story as mine wah life.....
@blessdmum.7380
5 жыл бұрын
@@margaretshiko7204 life is very cruel sometimes my dear.
@margaretshiko7204
5 жыл бұрын
Yea bt we thrive at somepoint
@barnskiugs7169
5 жыл бұрын
Aki pole mum, sometime men can be lethal. Let your children be the joy for the lost virginity. Forget the unappreciative man and move on. In other news, tell your fellow virgin friends watume CV. I'm looking for a virgin woman to keep till death do us part. Appreciation of the woman's virginity will be guaranteed! Virgin above 30yrs-old are not allowed
@sterrmarriskenya7727
5 жыл бұрын
That true words
Wow! Am so glad to see young people of faith willing to take a stand for what they believe regardless of what is happening in the world around them! Glory to God in the highest!
awesome,,,I love the second guest wow!!!this is encouraging especially to us in our early twenties,,,,big up
Almost 27 years old and I'm steal virgin and I'm proud of that
@kezzkezz88
4 жыл бұрын
Keep honouring God,wait till marriage and you will never regret it.
@SimonPeterthe12
4 жыл бұрын
Congrats and keep it up
Tamima you're the best host, even Oprah has nothing on you. Looking forward to learning more on your show. 40+ lady
@chikeluemolokwu3120
5 жыл бұрын
Who's Oprah in the first place, She's on top.
@bohboh7692
5 жыл бұрын
@@chikeluemolokwu3120 Tamima is our Kenyan Oprah
@chosenamongst3914
5 жыл бұрын
Stop lying
Perfect topic and salute to all the people who've shared their stories. Thank you for being real!
Me too I'm 31 now n im proud of myself to be virgin n i told myself the one who's gonna break my virginty is my husban,no one else n are believe sex after marriage.As girls u must value yrself if u treat yourself as gold they will see gold in you,so ladies i advice you be wish n respect yr body...cause our body is a temple of God.
99 percent of broke up marriages are those who got married wakiwa virgin including me here. Just pray to get a better partner virgin or not.
I'm Carolyn,aged 24 and still a virgin.I must confess that the pressure is too much;because at one point in campus i was a students leader and men/politicians wouldn't believe that it is doable.I made a choice to wait while in high school because i realized the moment a guy sleeps with you they despise you completely.So to maintain the dignity i had to keep my legs locked. I don't regret at all..And i don't even feel intimidated.If anything i feel a champion,having been through all the four walls of the university and coming out chaste.Enhe!!At one point i thought i was alone till i came across a group in facebook called "Virgin Till Marriage" and i found hundreds of other people around the world whom we're still sailing in the same boat.
@MathewKenyi18
3 жыл бұрын
Nice one, keep it up until married.
@nomatteramapanda2893
2 жыл бұрын
The pressure is too much 😥Yu a ryt
Kudos to them. Never let anyone define you.
Actually in the true christian settings this isn't as scary as people view it. True Christians are proud of celibacy because of the faith.
i got married last year at 27 and my husband was 28, both of us were virgins, and honestly it not a big deal being a virgin, it just the normal Christian life. and no regrets at all, and i never felt the pressure of not being a virgin
@rachelwanjiru4106
3 жыл бұрын
Its worth the Wait, congratulations.
Great structured programs and very important topic for my children to learn the right thing to do.
TAMIMA. YOU ARE THE NEXT BIG THING mamii. Keep soaring. Amazing topics💯
Through this show.....I realise that God is really talking to me
@254uncensored
5 жыл бұрын
Me too 😭
@merlenechemutai6571
5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@JanardanDaniels-ok9wz
Жыл бұрын
Hallelujah 💕
Tamima, that is a great show. Sexuality is one of the greatest gifts God gave to humanity to be used for His Glory (in marriage) but the devil has stolen it, twisted it and made it something else. In the name of modernity, kuchanuka...etc, how many hearts have been broken/ lives lost through sex, sex anyhow, sex before marriage.... It is your responsibility to guard your precious gift and how someone else behave is his/her business - don't be pressured to give in, it is better to just loose a man/woman (through relationships that don't work) than to loose him her with your precious gift. May God shower His grace to you to keep keeping on.
Virgin and praying that God will give me a virgin man somedays later when am ready. Amen.
@MathewKenyi18
3 жыл бұрын
Keep it up Faith until married, there are men who are also looking for virgin ladies.
I love what your doing dear Timima this is what young people need to hear you can keep pure.
Wow. Good work Tamima. I love the gold lady. How she talked was just on point. God bless y'all.
I’m So Happy That I Value My Body, And Being a Virgin Doesn’t Make You INEXPERIENCE TO KNOWING WHAT SEX IS AND WHAT IS EXPECTED
Real talk. Tamima is going places..I wish to me this awesome soul Tamima
Great journalism.....very proud of your work.
I love how Tamima connects n how she asks question.
I'm 34 and vargin. I knew I was alone, kumbe tupo wengi. "Sex before marriage is a sin". This is what rings in my ears kila nimuonapo msichana.
Good conversation. Let's uphold what's valuable. Keep up the good job! Not everyone will uphold what you value... 'do not throw your pearls to pigs.. ' #if you know you know!
Congrats guys,Tamima live long to take this show far,such kind of show we need to learn and encourage others.
Rehab congratulations, you have encouraged me to stand still no matter my age
Nice topic, am also one at 24years. it's possible. i have dated for 1.5years and we are waiting. Been dumped or have to drop a guy before coz he thought otherwise.
Patricia is informative, be blessed
This is a must watch to all the youth.I have liked it 100% #No judging anyone's decision
Big up to Patricia for being TRUTHFUL and Telling these young girls FACTS. They will thank you later. Leave alone these ambiguous counselors who leave you even more confused at the end of the day.
What a nice and principled woman?? God bless you with a real man who will know your value.
@chikeluemolokwu3120
5 жыл бұрын
Ameeeen
That's something to be proud of young lady!
@antoooa8664
4 жыл бұрын
Willa Rolen "young lady" ? Lol
this is a great show . Very inspiring
I remember Tamima hosting STRAIGHT UP back in the day...Mad Respect!
I agree with the second lady once you say no the first time it's gets easier and you get wiser.
Waao,very intersting topic,keep it up Tamima
I like how Daphne is deep in the word and her Spirit and keen to the word.Well done ladies
TAMIMA I LOVE YOU FROM MY HEART..YOU ARE A POWERFUL WOMAN...YOUR SHOWS ARE VERY REAL AND TRUE..THEY SPEAK REALITY..I LOVE YOU..CONTINUE WITH THAT..LETS EDUCATE THE YOUTH..YOU ALWAYS PICK THE RIGHT AND RELEVANT TOPICS..I SURELY LOVE YOU
Very possible I lost my virginity when I was 21. .. .The rest is history. Good show Tamima keep up. So far have learned a lot
I like what gentleman councillor is speaking
Good for you Samson
Hey Tamima, how can one get in touch with Patricia for professional help?
Am 23 years and a virgin .this talk has encouraged me I was just about to break it but I won't till I get the right person
@chikeluemolokwu3120
5 жыл бұрын
Not the right person. Till you're married to a man called your husband.
Wow it's nice to c guys who still think their virginity is important too
@ksubsnovideo-yv1qe
5 жыл бұрын
It is important because it potrays a sense of restraint and discipline which is something to be proud of.
May God bless you with a real faithful angel of a man who has had same values like you and is untouched.
Wooow Tamima...Your outfit🔥🔥🔥....keep up girl. Kudos for excellent job you do.
It is true God can sustain righteous people
The notion of virginity is used to control women’s sexuality and determine their value. If someone chooses to not have sex for their own personal reasons, that’s fine too and we shouldn’t shame or judge them either. Ain't nothing like trip and fall! Virginity is a social construction that came about because of the commodification of women. In fact, Virginity is only a thing for people who are straight! The patriarchy wants you to commodify sexuality and hold sexist attitudes about it because that is how they can keep the status quo intact. Virginity is sexist! I hope y'all choose to (not) remain virgin because it's what you want and not what the society says or how that man/woman will be proud you kept it!
i enjoyed listening to the second lady,i like her conviction
Well done Rehab for keeping your virgin.Gods blessings and more grace,its not easy but possible and worthy it,Baraka tele.Watching from Canada
It's is very possible for. Me I lost my v at 22 but I cried a lot coz I was praying God till marriage but my ex alikuwa Fisi sana
@hermajestyjane6605
5 жыл бұрын
Yes it is ..Me at 23 n that was a very ugly day I never even want to think of it, uncomfortable,disturbing .. 😡😡😡😡😡😡
@monicahgathoni1864
5 жыл бұрын
Miriam, pole
@annieann0012
5 жыл бұрын
me at 20...last yr June.😣😣😣😣😣😏
@christinemathenge5166
5 жыл бұрын
@miriam Njoroge me too same situation n the guy married n divorced up so it's about 5 yrs now he's back to me begging for marriage am now confused because I still love him
@periswarish7022
5 жыл бұрын
Mmi 23 lakini alinioa kukaaa kwa ndoa mika 3 akafa nashukuru mungu kwa yote
Wow! I thought i was the unique one only,,,kumbe tuko wengi,,31 and virgin,, proud of me!
@wykerztv9069
5 жыл бұрын
kwan mnangojea nn seriously 🙅🙅🙅
@judywairimu8730
5 жыл бұрын
@@wykerztv9069 At 23 na sina haraka though sioni nikifika 30
You just talked to me Tamima🙏am going on my knees after watching this and reading comments on this platform on how some virgins ended up in separation,,,,asking God to grant me the rightful partner after Gods own heart,,coz nowadays there r so many hypocrites in the church,,,, its true virginity does keep a man there is more,so i need to work more on myself before marriage ,,🙏
Thank you Tamima
Wow.good topic.being a virgin is an honour.am 27 and am still a virgin now working but waiting for the right guy
@chikeluemolokwu3120
5 жыл бұрын
With your prayers & faithfulness to God you'd come out right. I married my wife as a virgin at 27,I wouldn't overreact in her mistakes etc just because of celibacy she maintained before I met her
I have alot of RESPECT for women whoo ARE VIRGINs
@SimonPeterthe12
4 жыл бұрын
Me too
@polopolo7059
3 жыл бұрын
Me pia
am 21years 3months and a virgin from Kenya brought up in a very strict family. I have to be principled with myself.
Tamima you are a pretty, confident and a great blessing to the young and old. Excellent job. No wonder put it in my heart to be praying for you. I am Kenyan and l live in the States. Love what God has called to do and become. I am a window and a single mom and l am in the process of starting a single mom organization who are actually forgotten in our Kenyan Culture. I plan to hook up with you when l plan to come to Nairobi and maybe we can chat and see if we can have a show for those young widows and moms who need to know they are still important even though the society looks down on them. God bless you. I will contact you sometimes this year. Cheers..
The young 20 year old who is a mother is so self defensive which shows the pain. The pain is what is making her do this cos she missed out the love she hasn't gotten. But she needs to identity doesn't come with sleeping with a man.
@mweusimrembo890
5 жыл бұрын
True
Am 21 and virgin. Am proud of myself. Ready to serve the Lord and wait upon Him. To those who say u cannot get a virgin in this 21st century, what do u think now?
@chikeluemolokwu3120
5 жыл бұрын
That's shallow minded people. Don't listen to them
Congrats to the virgins...😅😅i like it when Tamima asked the audience "why are u applauding?"
@yudelleanlisatajirikenyana4519
5 жыл бұрын
Coolkenyan Inisrael 😂😂😂 coz it's on national tv and the youth are way too funny with their responses
@monicahjames7308
5 жыл бұрын
why are you applauding wawawawaaah
Very good edition for today's generation 👍
Sisemi kitu mm😂😂😂nachungulia tu kwa umbali hii mambo ya tuvanjo
@itsdarlingbeib7515
5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@mercycriss2284
4 жыл бұрын
😀😀😀😀😀😈
@mirrypreciousmwangi6182
4 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂tuchungulie pamoja
Ladies preserve ur selfs that why u see alot of women walking out there with broken Hearts doing things out of flesh. This lady with find a man that derserves and yes she will have children who are u to judge. Her about her age.
Some people are just lucky... Mimi 😭😭 stori ndefu
Same way you shouldn’t judge virgins is the same way we non virgins shouldn’t be judged
@florencewilson4821
5 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@frauleinbergerjaneaika4872
5 жыл бұрын
35 yrs wapendwa'but kukuliwa nimekuliwa wacha tu! Why lie! I lost my virginity kitamboo! Ongera mabikira...
@mweusimrembo890
5 жыл бұрын
@@frauleinbergerjaneaika4872mlikulana
@ilovejesus9303
5 жыл бұрын
🙈🙈🤣🤣🤣🤣
@juliusnjure
5 жыл бұрын
Atajua hajui
Its very possible....i lost my virginity when i was 20 years and on the 1st day of enjoyment i got pregnant and thaz how i become a mum too sad God loved my babydady so much that he called him home....contunue resting in peace sweetheart.
@trizahmwas3985
5 жыл бұрын
pole Cynthia
@cynthiacyndy9095
5 жыл бұрын
@@trizahmwas3985 thank you
@glad4653
5 жыл бұрын
Pole sana dear
@annnjogu972
5 жыл бұрын
Oh sorry dr..
@florasamuel9860
5 жыл бұрын
Pole sana
35 and still a virgin na utastart kulea watoto lini? I'm 33 na my son ako in high school first year
@jamalmohamed2382
4 жыл бұрын
Sasa ulizaa ukiwa 16 ? Or 18
@rachealnandokha6439
3 жыл бұрын
We are all different with different timings. Some of us give birth at 11 years and some at 40 years so stop being judgemental.
@charleswanjau2728
3 жыл бұрын
@@rachealnandokha6439 😁😁😁
For me it's simple all my life I never hard sex until I finish my secondary sch on 2003,I stayed ucha until 2004,nikaenda nai 2005 nikaolewa thy same year mimba Kwa tumbo nikazaa 2006 haaaaaaaa untill Dec same year nilitoka kwa huyo mzee I told my heart it's okey I can make it my daughter is 12yrs I give glory to GOD.now am 33 mother of two soon getting married.i pray God my marriage this time will work out.advice for young girl in everything put God first and wait God time is better
@monicamonic9324
5 жыл бұрын
Just like your experience almost the same to me but am still single no regret have one kid now looking forward for right person without hurry
@rachealchege7986
5 жыл бұрын
Monica monic God is our helper for sure he know our heart
@felistarkamau2773
5 жыл бұрын
In the same boat
@rachealchege7986
5 жыл бұрын
Felista kamau woiwoi for sure tumejifunza
@felistarkamau2773
5 жыл бұрын
@@rachealchege7986 ..very true gal...We are Blessed.
Impressing, Many virgins in here. Tamima, keep up the good work.
Wao the days of the virgins! Keep it up
am happy to hear this because am also a virgin and am 21year l agreed with this women's people don't agreed when you tell them the you are virgin my is to be married a virgin
Great topic.impressive
Sex is a deep commitment that is meant to be explored in marriage... And, it honours God to stay pure
@petterm9032
2 жыл бұрын
Good saying. Keep it pure, God is on your side👍
This is my take, in this generation 'Instilling fear' wont solve anything.This is a more informed generation.Most counselors , pastors etc .The society should aspire to instill sense and leave the person to make their own choices.It is important to understand the "Why".Make a conscious choice for abstinence or otherwise .But REMEMBER either way be ready for the consequences.
@bigben3462
4 жыл бұрын
It's about God my sister
😂😂 the men in the room are like come baby come tusort hii maneno
@githerimedia3337
5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@nicolemumo4157
5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@bettywanjiru6040
5 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣ooh yes
@naomiakoth2958
5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
@nancydavid5627
5 жыл бұрын
Fatuma Njeri 😂😂😂
Nice topic i wish i waited 2😓but am proud i have some people who can inspire my small sister
I enjoy this show so much🤣
I like that Ashley was real. Meanwhile i hope she gets help
Am 33 still a virgin....i hated men when i saw what my dad did to my mum........till now i hate men......but am going sm cnsling classes nd hope for the best.it affected me hata kwa gari singetaka kukaa na mwanamme kiti moja......
Is very good and worth waiting for the right guy to come, maintaining your virginity will command respect for you and your family. And you will remain spiritually sound. I'm Christian too at 40 hoping to meet such Christian lady very soon.
Rahab Nganga is a great role models. I am encouraging your girls to follow her example. It's not easy but its doable. The end result is fantastic and assured. We as parents love this. It gives us assurance and fulfillment. Kudos Rahab
The problem is that we glorify sin and wring doing but expect best from evil. She has vow with God and only her knows she is worthy of every part. Sex is not all that important and many lives painful life because of it and she is not frustrated and loves it. I would marry her for the fact she has proven she can wait even if i was gone for long. God bless you.
Dayan Masinde spokes volumes and with understanding. He does not insult neither insinuate nor judgemental. Now Patricia please learned how to approach this issues. Stop being judgmental, your job is to GUIDE.
@her_ama_ni
5 жыл бұрын
Very true. Patricia is not a counselor. The first quality of a counselor is unconditional positive regard. The first thing she did was judge all three girls wholesale! meaning she never LISTENED or even HEARD their heart. Just quickly gave them instructions to love themselves. Gross on every level. A counselor needs to be an EMPATH first. Patricia is not. Maybe work as an advisor not a counselor. MHO.
I love the show
Good lesson for us