Hello Björn, you are absolutely right, the battery preconditioning is poorly programmed by Hyundai/Kia. I have now preconditioned my EV6 over 130 times and it took some time before it worked reliably, for this reason: In addition to the known conditions communicated by Hyundai / Kia, the car must meet one requirement: It must recognize the desired charging station as a charging station and not "just" as an address. What sounds logical and simple has some pitfalls in practice. The best solution in advance is to let the navigation system do the route planning, including charging stops, as you did in the video at the end. Since this option currently only works in the IONIQ 6 with the new software or in the IONIQ 5 / Kia EV6 only in maintenance mode, my tip for cars without route navigation with automatic charging planning: 1. In the filter for the POI charging stations, set "all operators" and the "charging stations" DC and HPC. (Only if the charging station would be selected by the vehicle through this filter does it recognize manually or previously saved charging stations as such and not as an address. If you change the filter settings and exclude e.g. IONITY as the operator, it is no longer preconditioned when you use an IONITY - HPCs!) 2. Select the charging station you want as the destination in the car navigation system. You can do this as you did using the map and zoom in to 400m on the map or simply enter the address. 2a. Now use the menu item at the bottom left in the navigation view to select the item „Surrounding information“ and then POI category. In this category you then select charging stations. Now you will be shown up to 30 charging stations, but you only want to see the ones at the destination, select this filter on the left for destination. The filter selection now shows you the 30 charging stations that are near your destination, i.e. the charging station. Ideally, you will find the previously selected charging station there, select it again. If you cannot find the selected charging station because Hyundai / Kia does not have it in the system or the car system or the charging station is currently offline, then select the nearest station that is just before the desired station so that the battery is preconditioned in time. Important. In the best case, the POI icon of the charging station should be green, which means that the charging station is free and has been 100% recognized. If you click on the small „i“ in the circle next to the operator name, e.g. IONITY, you will see the HPCs status report. The charging station can be free, occupied (also partially) or unknown. If the status is unknown, I would always check whether the preconditioning starts, it usually does so because the status is usually updated with the driving time. 2 B. Now set the charging station again as a target, e.g. from the „i“ submenu, and the preconditioning will start. As a small rule of thumb, the coldest cell is warmed up by 1 degree every 3 minutes. So if the coldest cell is 10 degrees, it takes 33 minutes to heat the battery to the maximum auto-shutoff value of 21 degrees. With the help of this rule you can estimate when the preconditioning should start. If it does not, select a new charging station which is free and nearby your target. A few more tips from the bag of tricks: 1. You only get the optimal charging speed in winter, i.e. also the 18 minutes from 10%-80% with preconditioning, if you really run the battery down to 10% SOC or less. Because the battery is only preheated to 21 degrees and the optimal charging power is only available from 25 degrees, you need the low start so that the battery can build up heat early enough. If you only start with 20% or more percent, this no longer works, although the peak charging power of 242kW is sometimes kept at optimal temperatures up to 60% SOC. 2. If you drive long distances in Germany, you can keep the temperature in the battery at 25 degrees or higher at an average speed of 165 km/h on the Autobahn and thus prevent it from cooling down. 3. When charging, switch off the air conditioning / heating and only switch on the seat heating, otherwise the battery will receive too little heating output or no heating output and will not be adequately cooled in summer. 4. Especially when there is snow, you should check whether the cooling flaps in the front can be moved. To prevent the battery from overheating for too long, the car opens the ventilation flaps when the cell temperature exceeds 45 degrees and cools the battery down. I have compiled all the information and the detailed conditions that must be met for the preconditioning in a German video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o2V-qNSMj9DMgbQ.html under the video in the description box the information is again in text form, so that you can can copy this and have it translated into their own language. I hope the information will help you and others. Best regards Dirk

@UloPe

Жыл бұрын

That is very helpful in confirming my decision not to get a Hyundai/Kia EV.

@Max_Dev

Жыл бұрын

The other problem is.. at least in my IONIQ 5.. if you set your destination in the nav to the next charger on the road while you are charging, it won't enable battery precon for the next charging stop. So far, I haven't quite figured out when it starts working. But I restart the navigation to the next charging station just 100km before the destination. Only then it starts to heat the battery again for the next charging stop. I'm not entirely sure, but it may be related to the battery being at > 20 degrees at the time of destination entry, and not rechecking the condition afterwards.

@DirkHenningsen

Жыл бұрын

@@UloPe If you know how preconditioning works, it's not really a problem. Of course there are competitors who have more heating capacity, such as Tesla with approx. 14kW instead of the almost 5kW in the Kia EV6, but the battery is heated up reasonably and it is also possible to achieve the summer charging time of 18 minutes from 10 to 80% in winter, which the Model Y from Tesla, for example, cannot do either. Unfortunately, there is no perfect car, so you always have to see what suits your personal driving profile and your own wishes.

@DirkHenningsen

Жыл бұрын

@@Max_Dev I don't think there is a connection between the timing of route planning during charging and the start of battery preconditioning. With my Kia EV6, I always plan the next stop during the charging process, if only for reasons of time. It is important that the requirements I have mentioned for starting the preconditioning are met and the status of the charging station can be recognized by the navigation system, at the latest while driving. Because the battery temperature is guaranteed to be higher than 19 degrees after charging on the HPC, it takes a while before the preconditioning starts. For example, I have experienced that it went on and off several times because I was unexpectedly stuck in a traffic jam because of an accident and the temperature had first reached 19 degrees, then the battery warmed up to 21 degrees and then cooled down again to 19 degrees and reheated. Basically, the preconditioning is programmed in such a way that the temperature in the battery is 21 degrees or more when it arrives at the HPC. Another little practical tip: If you want more than 21 degrees in the battery, plan an HPC 5-10 minutes before the actual charger, then the temperature will reach 21 degrees 5-10 minutes before and if it's not too cold or you don't take too long for the route need, the residual heat heats up the battery even further, to 22-23 degrees. If you then arrive with 10% SOC, you can reach the 18min to 80% even in winter.

@FireballYT

Жыл бұрын

The new Navi update for charge route planning has just been released for the Kia EV6!

Every car needs a "preheat now" button. Legacy car manufacturers are not great at keeping their maps up to date and preheating for fast charging makes such a massive difference.

@phonehoppy

Жыл бұрын

Better have an option to add a missing charging station in the map data...

@stigronnysuleskard5299

Жыл бұрын

Nio have this feature :)

@papapa1114

Жыл бұрын

Only legacy? My Model 3 is unable to preheat even at IONITY stations. I believe the only one with a similar capability are the MB EQ*... Manual preheat would men a lot of energy waste if misused... and I believe a manufacturer should always consider their users as plain idiots.

@jadziadax8658

Жыл бұрын

BMW has it in their latest software.

@papapa1114

Жыл бұрын

@@jadziadax8658 You're right, BMW should have something similar. However when I was looking for the IONIQ 6 / EV6 / etc. The guys in the dealership struggle even to answer whether the car had the battery preconditioning...

You are 100% correct. The battery preheating should last to at least 10% SOC or even 5%. But that should just be a simple software over the air tweak. Hopefully they are watching.

Bjørn, I appreciate the "map and stats" for each leg of the journey. Just like the original Nimber Task road trip days in MF. It would be great to have for your family road trips as well.

'I don't wanna see any left lane huggers (tm)' 3 minutes in and 2 overtakings on the right side, which is the wrong side 😂. Naughty Björn 😎

@bjornnyland

Жыл бұрын

The Undertaker never sleeps. The Undertaker will never hesitate.

Lol, start of video Bjørn says "I dont want to see any leftlane huggers!" Cuts to 2 in the left lane alone haha :p funny

@akinoz

Жыл бұрын

😂 he chose to be one.

I love watching EV road trips in Scandinavia. The charging infra is to die for. Here in the U.S. we are told kempower is coming to save the day. Right now, going on an EV road trip in a non-Tesla is kinda like BASE jumping and not knowing if the physics will work out or if you will go kersplat.

@therookienomore88

Жыл бұрын

Very good analogy for US roadtrips. It’s hard to convey the long distances between 50kw chargers and having a chance that the one charger in the area you’re driving to is just dead.

@locksmack

Жыл бұрын

Laughs in Australian. Would kill for the US coverage, let alone Scandi.

You also need to select the HPC via the POI category in the Nav to ensure it pre-heats as you want.

My AWD JUST charged at 17 deg C in 20 minutes without battery preheating, 10 to 80 %. Highway range is 285 to 295 miles at 100kph. Been watching you Bjorn since you first started and really appreciate your work. I haven’t noticed any movement in the steering wheel while in auto steer. The Ioniq 6 is better than I expected so far.

@Snerdles

Жыл бұрын

When you say the highway range is 285, did you mean from 10-80 or when you have a full charge. If you could get over 3 hours of driving in 20 minutes that's pretty fantastic.

@bentaxelrod

Жыл бұрын

@@Snerdles 285 miles was at 27 deg C with air con on at 100kph starting on 100 % charge. The 295 was on a country road loop through small towns on eco mode at max 100kph no aircon. This is in Australia where the max speed is mostly 100kph occasionally 110kph. Next week the temperature is expected to drop to freezing overnight with frosts, so will be interesting to see how it affects range. I’m happy to keep supplying info for anyone interested.

@Snerdles

Жыл бұрын

@@bentaxelrod Thanks for the info. I really like the 6 andis my front runner so far when I jump in to a full EV. I'd really like something that can drive for 3 hours at 120km/h after a 15 minute charge. But if the car goes 5km per kWh, then that would mean it would need to sustain an average of 288kw charging over that 15 minutes, so I'm hoping charger, battery, and car tech gets there by the time I'm ready to buy (more like 2025 or 2026 probably).

@michaelcollier8768

Жыл бұрын

@@Snerdles Not yet . . . but close. The Ioniq 5N is supposed to have updated battery tech so we will see how it performs in a few weeks. The tech is improving. I think 2025/6 should get you very close to those specs, under ideal conditions.

@piscario75

Жыл бұрын

Near 300 miles on Oz country roads is great. Not sure where you are but in WA they are rough. How was the sound proofing driving on them because it v loud in an original Ioniq?

So let's hope that Hyundai actualy is working on an update, and make it as great as it could be...many thanks for the great test and contribution

@apocrypth

Жыл бұрын

do not hold your breath for that... maybe, just maybe they will do some update, but it will be probably like with all previous Hyundai/KIA cars... no real update, no preheat added, etc.

@hinrikpeturs

Жыл бұрын

@@apocrypth i got my Ioniq 5 in december 2021, and there was no preheat available then. Got an update last summer that added preheat. So i can't see no reason why they couldn't update their software.

The consumption was higher, than I expected. With this shape it could be better.

@DG-uv3zw

Жыл бұрын

@@Dennis-kg1qi It wasn`t

There are no pressure sensors in the steering wheel. Moving the steering wheel will prompt the driver to counteract and the car will acknowledge the driver is awake. I own a Kia EV 6 and this is the normal expected behaviour, the movement of the steering wheel is minimal and does not change the car trajectory

I love these videos. I'm about to pickup an I6 going into winter here and now I know to be extra sure to get the destination properly set to I can have a decent rate.

I love the Ioniq 6. Great test as always. About 4weeks ago, i recommended u at the Auto section in Bangkok Post. I hope u got some more followers from here, probably more Farang who life here. Take care.

The countdown to 999 never fails to crack me up😂

@therookienomore88

Жыл бұрын

Nein Nein Nein!

Bossed it again mate. Your videos are by far the best. 👊

Will be interesting to see how efficient it will be in summer and on summer tires

Love your videos Bjørn!

I dnt even own an ev but everytime i watch these roadtrips i want to go on one

Trick the car by inputting an earlier charger so it starts pre heat sooner. You will then have to re-select the charger you really want when your nearby the original input charger. I can do this by setting a close by unit while still parked in my driveway. Seems to take ages to preheat to optimal temperatures. You still have to be aware of the cut off of preheat at 17%-20% SoC.

Your videos are always really informative, well done 👏

Great product placement.

Yeah they need a preheat button. Hopefully with another update. It took them a year just to get into 22 year cars.

Ariya has manual pre-heat

Since the average temperature in Europe is between 7-11°C, this mild "winter range" is definitely relevant. Hyundai needs proper pre-heating, otherwise the theoretically high charging capacity isn't of much use.

@reiniernn9071

Жыл бұрын

If you're often driving in the middle of the night you're right with this average. Even in summer it can be close to zero celsius just before sunrise....in the afternoon 30 degrees.

@Zedus-rl9hp

Жыл бұрын

@@reiniernn9071 7-11°C is generally the average annual temperature

@reiniernn9071

Жыл бұрын

@@Zedus-rl9hp Correct..day and night included. But because we drive mostly not at night the average temp during driving is higher.

Hi Bjørn, what song @ 15:30? Could not find it in your playlist :)

You can show the distance to your destinantion in the main instrument cluster but then of cause you would not see distance travelled, average consumption and time.

I do Hope Hyundai listens to what you had to say about preheating & navigation software (actually the whole system software needs an overhaul).

My Tesla Model 3 Longe Range 2021 drops the heat quiet aggresively after fast-charging. from 59 degrees to around 40 degrees in 20 minutes, and my initial consumption is quiet high after fast charging compared to 11 kW charging.

Strange behavior that for some reason doesn't match my EV6's routine. Wondering if that's a nav issue cause whenever I choose an HPC as a waypoint for my route through the nav it preconditions just fine. Agree that the pre-heating threshold should be lower cause 17% is silly high to cut it off

It should take into account the distance to the charger to understand if it allows the pre-heating to carry on or not like you mentioned. Tesla also needs a pre-heating button since it doesn't recognize others chargers on the route planner

@jesperrasmussen1730

Жыл бұрын

Tesla recognize a bunch of other chargers and have done it in about a year.

@doctoringdownunder

Жыл бұрын

@@jesperrasmussen1730 not in Australia, sadly

If you have time, could you redo the test in summer please?

The battery conditioning is a mess for sure. Why would you actively cool the battery if the outside is 10° and the car not going to charge anytime soon? It could just have let the battery cool down passively, then it probably would not have to heat it up again for the next stop. with better thermal management it probably could be below 200Wh/km and charge faster as well

@MikeDeeee

Жыл бұрын

If you can use the energy to heat the cabin it makes sense in theory. That said it doesn't make sense if the battery then gets too cold again for the next stop and needs to be pre-heated. I also wonder whether Hyundai is running the pump to circulate the heating fluid even when not heating or cooling in order to even out the difference between the cell with highest and lowest temperature.

If you have final destination at charging station it thinks cold gating is fine. It needs to be added waypoint en route

Great work. Software is a disappointment but it's still a very good time

They need to optimise preheat/charging/BMS

Like in the EV6, the Navigation is a FCKN nightmare 🙀! They have to update this ASAP!!! Atm I plan a route, before I start and then I send the charging stations via app to the car. Why isn't there are "pre-heat-button" 😢😮???

The music on start is also a Chevy Bolt thing. It drives me crazy.

13:34 both my kona ev and my mom's i30 do that too

Automatically adding charging stops seems cool! Currently own an Ioniq 5 i bought in 2021, wonder if it gets the same feature. Anyone know?

Bjørn, next time plan for 10% on arrival, ignore the pre-heat threshold, because the battery won't cool off from 20% down to 10%. That's my experience with the EV6.

There has to be manual option to preheat battery😢 But I’m impressed that it is much faster than Ioniq 5

@phonehoppy

Жыл бұрын

The situation where the battery should be preheated are entirely predictable based on nav data, temperature, SoC etc. so it doesn't make much sense to have a manual option for it. This would just open other loopholes for user error. Just improve the preheating software to be reliable...

I have the First edition and it's fantastic to drive it but please please Hyundai get ride of al the ding dongs in the care! The care starts biping every time you get in and if you exceed the speed limit even by 1 km it will bit 5 times and it's extremely annoying

I don't understand why Hyundai/Kia cannot crack the battery pre-heating issue, they have cold winters in Korea. A manual battery pre-heat would also be a good upgrade

@FrankNolf

Жыл бұрын

💯ioniq 5 was launched few years ago, you would think they this fixed by now. What is the advantage of a 800v platform if you have to jump through all these hoops to get preconditioning going. The whole navigation system is clunky as hell

@ScubaSteveCanada

Жыл бұрын

@@FrankNolf My Canadian Ioniq 5 is the top of the line yet came with no pre-conditioning. Hyundai had no plans for it until all the complaints started. It least I have it now. Better than nothing.

@fmartin59

Жыл бұрын

@@ScubaSteveCanadayou have pre-conditioning how? OTA update?

Making preheating right is so hard for legacy automakers

Passing a left lane hugger on the right is not overtaking, unless you change lanes to do it.

@lkrnpk

Жыл бұрын

but it is undertaking :D

Nice score for Hyundai, on par with the best in the industry. 10-15 minutes delay on such a trip could well be caused by random variables and not relevant in real life. The choice between a model 3 and this would mostly be based on preference, personally I think the ioniq 6 is the more interesting car (and I am getting a little bit Tesla tired).

@bjornnyland

Жыл бұрын

The random variables were already deducted for.

I really liked my Kona electric but I‘m really not missing those beeps and bunch of other noises it was always doin. Ioniq 6 Navigation still looks like in the Kona and that looks like trash since 2019.

resume to music mute does not work. you have to manually set to zero volume. its a korean thing...

Bjorn I went through your playlist but couldn't find the track you used on this video, any chance you could post the artist man? Keep up the good reviews and good luck with the new house!

@m00O0

Жыл бұрын

Droid Bishop - Reach

7:42, it's a fish! Maybe that is why it is so e-fish-ient! 🙂

Nice!

I drove a Ioniq PHEV for the last 4 years. And I eyeballed this car for awhile. But actually my experience the last 4 years haven't been that good with Hyundai. The car broke down several times in components that don't even move. The lane camera's, the acc sensor, the alarm system suddenly went crazy one night, the 12v battery died on me 2 times on 2 different wintersport locations with a checkup in between (the battery was OK :D). For me no more Hyundai anytime soon :D

@Hans-gb4mv

Жыл бұрын

sounds like you had an issue with the power supply to those systems. Don't judge a brand by a single experience. If it was that easy, I would actually recommend it, my Ioniq classic EV has had 0 issues in the 4 years I owned it

@muyaho420

Жыл бұрын

That's why you always skip the first generation of any car... first gen problem isn't unique to Hyundai.

@Snerdles

Жыл бұрын

The 12V battery thing has been a problem in my Ioniq PHEV too. Many people on the Ioniq forums complain of drained 12V batteries too.

@djtreston

Жыл бұрын

@@Hans-gb4mv sure I guess my decision isn’t solely on these issues but it didn’t help. I guess my local dealer didn’t help. And I also find the latest facelift and the new 6 to be too similar. So it wouldn’t be much of an upgrade. It’s like switching to a new iPhone from last years model.

@djtreston

Жыл бұрын

@@muyaho420 I had the facelift tho 😅 you would think it wouldn’t have the issues it started with.

@bjornyland when are you starting up the SDT(Sunday Driving Test)/only fans run?

This would be awsome with a v8 diesel🤩🤩

1:21 That's what she said!

There is no win like tailwin

@bjornnyland

Жыл бұрын

Tailwin for the wind!

That navigation system looks like it came from the eighties.

@ScubaSteveCanada

Жыл бұрын

The age of their software developers ;-)

Really, do they give you Money If you take the Multimedia? Awesome engineering. You really See that the devolopment was finished 3 years ago.

1:09 I forfot the Stormberg bottle😂

That map UI is a big nope for me. I'll stick to car play

Tesla can be preheated at any time by using the SEXY buttons... It's not an OEM solution, but it works..

@notinthemanual

Жыл бұрын

Yes. I have them and it works perfectly.

It’s insane how far behind this infotainmentsystem is to for example Tesla and Google Automotive (Polestar etc)

The car knows how far to the destination, how much consumption the battery heater uses and the optimum battery charging temperature so why the hard coded heater cut off. This is not hard to fix but will Hyundai engineers make the improvement? Don't hold out much hope given update experience with the 38 Ioniq.

I was wondering how it stacks up to M3 LR for efficiency. The cd is promising but I think the Tesla has lower frontal area and lower to ground so cda might still be same? If you compare MS to M3 the cda of S is actually slightly better than model 3. So…hyundai really had to go for lowest cd they could. Hmm…

You should say "999,1 999,2..." because you are accounting for the error in distance so you are actually going from 999km to 1000km. 1 or 1,5% distance error wont matter during the last kilometer because the error would be 10 to 15m.

How about commeting on how the automatic high beem works on the ioniq 6 versus the Telsla or the automatic windsheel wipers versus the tesla which is crap. These are things I think normal people would care about.

The Software is really ancient.

Why is a 'start preheating' button not standard on every EV? Are they scared that people do not take the energy/range consumption preheating takes into account? Or they they still want to push people into using the car's infotainment instead of android/CarPlay? The latter seems true since the ioniq 6 does not support wireless CarPlay (whilst the hardware is capable).

@karstenpedersen7749

Жыл бұрын

I've been a car tech for a decade, and yes, people be stupid. Cars need to be as idiot proof as possible, sometimes that leads to sup optimal solutions like this

Do we have a new fossil reference test vehicle and time? I thought the fossil was a different PHEV and took 9:00, same as battery swap Nio.

@bjornnyland

Жыл бұрын

Yes, search for Nissan e-Power in my channel.

@Danne89

Жыл бұрын

Check his recent video history (or search Nissan in his channel) and you'll see when he tested the reference fossil.

Why is there such a difference between the advertised charge speed and the actual? Best regards Martin

@ScubaSteveCanada

Жыл бұрын

Hyundai state the fast charge speed is "under optimal conditions." They introduced the Ioniq 5s in 2022 with no battery pre-conditioning.

Haha I was on the live stream chat

Although I appreciate the work you do, these tests are held in such variety of conditions, that it renders the results moot. I mean, comparing EV ranges when weather is 20C+ to ones that are in the single digits is a bit meaningless, especially given air density becomes higher with lower temps, and that also affects efficiency. And, how about the winds? How windy was it that day?

How in the name of God you set up Soc BMS & remaning energy in wh on CarScanner!!? I keep searching on sensor settings but i can't find, help pls ! Nice video like always, can't wait for 1000 km with Bz4x after "major" update😊

@EV_OBD

Жыл бұрын

What EV do you drive?

@stefandroasca

Жыл бұрын

@@EV_OBD Bz4x 😁

@EV_OBD

Жыл бұрын

@@stefandroasca This app shows different sensors in each EV. No energy remaining in bZ4X, while the SOC is the real BMS SOC.

@stefandroasca

Жыл бұрын

@@EV_OBD oh, i did not.know.that,.thanks? Also do you know what "Soc max" and " Soc min" means on this app?

ABS this time 😊

Finally !

9:50 when you drive car that has proper 220v outlet in the cabin, i think you should eat stuff that makes use of it. So you could rub it in to teslas that lack such basic thing in an electric car :) #shametesla

@bjornnyland

Жыл бұрын

Too bad the outlet can't be used while charging. Not even when DC charging.

@gelisob

Жыл бұрын

that is sad indeed. But you could take 1minute to microwave food and then connect charger and enjoy warm food@@bjornnyland :)

It's not really undertaking if you aren't changing lanes.

Why did you disable speed sign recognition? (orange --- sign) Super annoying speed warning bings that can't be disabled?

@b127_1

Жыл бұрын

You have to disable them every single time you start the car. At some point, you just give up.

@Hans-gb4mv

Жыл бұрын

most likely, especially since the system is far from perfect in recognizing the signs next to the road. I've got incorrectly reported speed limits multiple times a day and if it underreports, the car complains you are speeding when you are actually doing just fine.

@NO3V

Жыл бұрын

@@Hans-gb4mv Also doesn't seem to understand conditional speed limits and that local limits end at the next intersection.. Also: the warning noise adjustment seemingly doesn't change the speed limit noise - only the really safety critical things... Also: during my testdrive I measured the speedo to show 4 kph too high compared to GPS. AND it bings at you for going "1 over". AND there is no way to set a speedlimit offset. I handed the car back saying this software is a complete non starter.

@Danne89

Жыл бұрын

@@NO3V You are misinformed. There's 100% a way to set speedlimit offset and you can disable warning noise for exceeding the speed limit. I know, since I did this myself in mine.

@NO3V

Жыл бұрын

@@Danne89 In your EU/Germany spec Hyundai Ioniq 6? I guess my dealer who understood my point very well would disagree with you. (Ioniq 6 might be the first car complying with new EU regulation - but if you read the regulation you notice that their implementation is BAD. [General Vehicle Safety Regulation (EU) 2019/2144])

What happened with the 5 min. deduction? ;) Agreed the software can be tweaked, but if you had known how to drive it in the right way, it would have helped some.

@bjornnyland

Жыл бұрын

It was already deducted.

❤❤❤

Agree on the steering being ”edgy” on HDA. Ioniq 5 is the same. I hope Hyundai improves that at some point.

@chunkychuck

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if it's better in HDA2 vs HDA1? It's bullshit HDA2 is only on top trims (at least here)

E-fish-ent :-)

The stormberg bottle AD is kinda cringy 😂

Salamander :)

Fussy software! The developers have a particular usage in mind and if the car isn’t operated in exactly that way it will misbehave in some random way. But software should always be trying to make the system work for the user. Great hardware hobbled by immature software.

Bjørn, did you already test a Porsche Taycan?

@bjornnyland

Жыл бұрын

Long time ago.

High time to redo the Model 3 LR with a new one, maybe when the highlander comes... I bet it will be faster than the old one,

Recently I saw a test for the new mazda cx60 diesel with rear wheel drive. This car only used 2,5 l/100 km when driven carefully. With its 58 litre tank, it could drive 2200 km. It would offcorse use more when driven at speeds over 110 km/h. However, it would easily drive 1000 km on a single tank. Just stunning! Ev's are still far behind the diesel alternatives when it comes to the long distance drive.

@swecreations

4 ай бұрын

I'm not going 1000km without taking a break though. For my needs the 3 hours of driving and then 20 minute charging stop I can get with an EV suits me perfectly. Also this test was driven a lot at 120-130 km/h, always 10 km/h over the speed limit.

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A lot of compromise to get this "performance". AWD time will be what is of interest to me as the RWD variants are super gutless. I don't see the point in having an EV if it isn't nice and zippy.

Not so efficient but good enough

Ok, but does 10-15 minutes even matter on a 1000km trip?

@tobias_dahlberg

Жыл бұрын

Not really. If the total time is still reasonable, a little 15 or 30 minutes here or there shouldn't make or break your purchasing decision. You shouldn't buy a specific EV just because it gets you 1000km 15 minutes faster, option number 2 might be a better built car overall...

@Snerdles

Жыл бұрын

10 to 15 might not but if I were switching from my PHEV which, if I went a reasonable speeds, can sneak out 1000km on a single tank of gas and then shopping for EVs the only thing in my price range are things like a bolt that would need at least 2 one hour charge stops and then it's suddenly going from a 9 hour trip, to more like 11 or more. It's nice to know which vehicles are long trip viable.

its incredible than my sr+ with 60kwh lfp drives 320km at german autobahn. 16-18 kwh/100km. dont understand me wrong. i dont like my sr+ at all, but there is still no competitor at the markt.

@dwalster7538

Жыл бұрын

Why don’t you „like your SR at all“?

@chriskreu3445

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Consumption is amazing at 130-140 km/h and way better than VWs etc. but i also hate that the software is not really made for driving. Stuff like always having to reengage the autopilot (my old BMW autoengaged active lane assist automatically) or the fairly poor ride comfort is super annoying.

@NO3V

Жыл бұрын

@@chriskreu3445 Except that most non Teslas also frequently _disable_ lane-keep without warning you.. Super great for driving - just also pretty damn unsafe..

@stigronnysuleskard5299

Жыл бұрын

@@chriskreu3445 Check out Nio ET5 or ET7 for better drive comfort

So another great example of great product, ruined by software?

Why do ID software gets so much hate when there is software like this. UI looks so ugly…

@binflydushy

Жыл бұрын

17:55 they can’t be serious about that🤣

@lolfreakwaca4328

Жыл бұрын

I mean the OTA software update from VW literally crashed cars.... like they wouldnt turn on or move... soooo

I was looking forward to the Ionic 6 review...some positives but made me realize Tesla 3 LR is for me

@DG-uv3zw

Жыл бұрын

With Tesla you will get the best EV but not the best "car". Other are catching up and offer more comfort, luxury, etc but definitely a compromise as an EV. Yeah, software is where Tesla shines also...

@pete8516

Жыл бұрын

@@DG-uv3zw also in Canada and US…Tesla charging network is far superior

@FireballYT

Жыл бұрын

​@@pete8516 Tesla SuC has opened for all cars to charge - I currently roll with IONITY (subscription with Kia, 29ct/kWh) and have cruised through Europe only with them. If you prefer Tesla SuC, you can make a subscription for those with any EV and will also be fine.

The terrible software in mine kona is the reason I won’t buy a hyundai or kia as next car. Nothing improved on the new models

Hyundai, Kia, Genesis. Their mindset is to make money on the products they sell. So they sell it as it. And not to improve it with software updates or something. So do not expect too much from them.

this UI and navigation system seems soo ugly and laggy to me... who is going to really use it?