There is no amount of money I wouldn't pay to see that Frazier v. Tyson fight. I could die a happy man.

@TheDuke4100

4 жыл бұрын

surely bowe v lewis?? the one that got away

@michaeltrumph121

4 жыл бұрын

It would be a very short match. Tyson absolutely destroys Frazier. The match doesn't go past round 1.

@TheSBleeder

4 жыл бұрын

Frazier stops Tyson around round 7 or 8. Tyson did not fight well on the inside; Frazier would just overwhelm Mike.

@lorcan2675

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheSBleeder but that was Mike's whole style he'd make you miss then get on the inside and punish you

@PhantomOSX

4 жыл бұрын

TheSBleeder Don't know what you're talking about, Tyson was a master of inside fighting.

I wanna see the rubber match between Iron Mike Tyson and Smoking Joe Frasier

@rayhanakram9912

4 жыл бұрын

This needs to be top comment.

@dignes3446

4 жыл бұрын

@GYPSY KING FURY Tyson knocks him down in the first 2 rounds multiple times. Joe survives and stops him in later rounds.

@aukemist

4 жыл бұрын

I'm very comfortable with King Holmes. Tremendous, tremendous talent and skills

@RedgraveGilver

4 жыл бұрын

Tyson had way better fundamentals from anything Joe Frazier can offer. What he's lacking is mental strength.

@slickrik6666

4 жыл бұрын

That would be a fight booooooooooom

I'm such a geek. I was sitting there thinking, "Man, I can't wait to see what happens in Liston vs. Tyson!"

Prime Ali was from 1964 to 1967. I find it very difficult to see anyone catching him. Best technical puncher is Joe Louis by some distance. Best boxer of the last 30 years was Lennox Lewis.

@slickrik6666

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah was thinking the same before Ali went to prison he was on another level to quick and fast on his feet

@paulis4278

4 жыл бұрын

I agree . Ali is the greatest of all time!!!

@thegoldenhero

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah i totally disagree with him picking Frazier over peak Ali.

@Handle35667

4 жыл бұрын

thegoldenhero prime Frazier beat prime Ali and that’s a fact.

@LissaBroyles

4 жыл бұрын

@Just Saying Problem is Bowe refused to fight anyone. He went 2-1 vs the much smaller Holyfield but then what? He got saved by getting his balls clubbed on by Golata twice in fights he was getting dominated in, & he never fought Moore, Tyson, Lewis, Mercer, Morrison, Tua, Ruddock etc etc. Bowe was smoke & mirrors & would've been lucky to go .500 vs the 10 best heavyweights of the 90s.

I think a young Ali was much better then you gave him credit for. He was fast man. FAST

@furlong234

4 жыл бұрын

If you're talking about frazier then that extra bit of speed wouldn't have helped him against frazier gard hooks

@youtoo2233

4 жыл бұрын

@@furlong234 think about Ali's incredible reflexes and fast feet in his prime, a prime Frazier wouldn't have landed half those hooks

@Damon0519

4 жыл бұрын

Just Saying Ali beat Frazier and Norton TWICE past his prime😂😂exposed

@omt-youtube

4 жыл бұрын

@Just Saying You do realize, however, that Norton and Frazier fought a post-comback Ali who no longer had the incredible speed of pre-comeback Ali. This is a fundamental fact that we have to take into consideration when we talk about these fights taking place in the primes of the fighters. In this respect, I find the resolute tone of your comment on Ali's abilities out of place.

@RickCaldwellvoluntaryist

4 жыл бұрын

@The Ian Lev Experience Frazier was definitely in his prime in 1971, but Ali was still working back up to his new prime, following the ban. And how can you say that Norton was no spring chicken, when he was younger than Ali?

That was tremendous. Can’t wait for the middleweights 😁

@ShaunbirKlair24

4 жыл бұрын

Marvin Hagler would win that

@chicagogrimreaper3202

4 жыл бұрын

Thats gonna be awesome!!

@Mark64W

4 жыл бұрын

Me too . The middleweights will be just as interesting !

@croydonsfinest007

4 жыл бұрын

Prime Roy Jones hands down

@kufujitsu

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelhunt739 Great middleweights go back a lot further than that. Sam Langford, Ezzard Charles, Harry Greb, & Charles Burley, are 4 others that come to mind - look 'em up...

There were 3 Alis. The 60's Ali who was untouchable; the early 70's Ali who was really good; and the late 70's Ali who got by on smoke and mirrors.

@tobiashansen488

4 жыл бұрын

Spell "RED" haha and very true whar you re saying

@TheCharlesJackson

4 жыл бұрын

On the money. 3 Ali's.

@steveetienne

4 жыл бұрын

Prime 60's Ali (Cleveland Williams, Zora Folley) would destroy Holmes, Tyson knocks out Joe Louis in round 1 easy.

@colorado2455

4 жыл бұрын

@@steveetienne not sure about louis vs tyson. But holmes would do well against ali.

@bernardliu8526

4 жыл бұрын

danilo degiorgi : In my humble opinion, Ali is really the greatest. He had not reached his utmost best when they robbed him of his crown ! Imagine Ali at age 27 or 28, without the 3.5 year forced hiatus !

Would have liked to have seen Bowe in this. I was no fan of his, but the guy was no joke.

@lt7082

4 жыл бұрын

Bowe was right near the top of the tree in his incredibly short prime.

@osb7948

4 жыл бұрын

sayvar44 - If you watch how he ranked these heavyweights you’d understand. It’s all about rankings at the time which can be deceiving and isn’t the most accurate system.

@rubberglovesandwich9889

4 жыл бұрын

@sayvar44 He explained the reasons for both tournament brackets. The first one was based on the point experiments done in his earlier videos and the second was a list made by ring magazine. He didn't make either bracket to prevent his bias. Obviously he doesn't think Povetkin is better than Jack Johnson or any other of the all time greats you mentioned. I personally would've just made the brackets instead of what he did but I understand his reasoning.

@LissaBroyles

4 жыл бұрын

There was a reason Bowe never fought anybody except Evander who almost killed him all 3 times... Because if he didn't have a huge height weight reach & power advantage he would've gotten his ass handed to him by the top heavyweights. See the Golata fights for details. Bowe was fake news & doesn't deserve to be anywhere near these lists.

@Dingoplexor

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Broyles no not at all Riddick was a great fighter he just didn’t take it seriously! He could’ve been one of the all time greats. His mistake was letting Rock Newman mismanage his career

Id love to see you do the 25 man tournament, perhaps make it a series where you cover one boxer per episode and see how they would do against each other? I think its a great idea for a series

Man, you've put into very well educated and competent form the countless, daily barbershop conversations that ever happened all over the globe in the last like 100 years This is just beautiful, thanks.

Great job! I’m 10 minutes in, but I’d take Foreman over Holmes. You’re def favoring Holmes.

@iegendkilla8559

4 жыл бұрын

Marc S which Foreman, I think Holmes could outlast young George but would get caught by old George

@youtoo2233

4 жыл бұрын

I think Prime Holmes was way too smart of a boxer to lose to Foreman, he was too fast on his feet and hands just like Ali, and Foreman wouldn't be able to deal with it

@quillanjacobson8952

4 жыл бұрын

@@iegendkilla8559 Joe Foreman after the Ali fight, he learned his lesson. That is his only loss that didn't go the distance

@Boxing187

4 жыл бұрын

Holmes was better

@RawJa777

4 жыл бұрын

@@youtoo2233 Ali didn't use his speed at all to beat Foreman. He was getting pummeled early when he was trying to box because prime Foreman was exceptionally good at nullifying his opponents strengths. Ali switched his strategy when he realized he would get blasted if he didn't change things up and started to utilize the exceptionally loose ropes, standing still, and allowing Foreman to punch himself out to win. It was a one time deal with Ali that I don't believe any other boxer in history could have duplicated. Absolutely brilliant strategy that would never work again against Foreman. Sticking and moving would've gotten him knocked out.

Patterson vs Schmeling would have been one hell of a fight

I think you heavily underrate Joe Louis in head to head matchups and overrate Larry Holmes.

@kevinkey9146

4 жыл бұрын

Both Tyson and Louis will always be stylistic nightmares for Holmes.

@petergriffin6223

4 жыл бұрын

Holmes was definitely top 3 greatest any weightclass

@ztrinx1

4 жыл бұрын

Sure, and you probably do the inverse. That is what people do when they favour someone or something. Who knew ;)

@dsimon33871

4 жыл бұрын

I agree

@nodo7575

4 жыл бұрын

@@petergriffin6223 HOW?! Ray Robison, Duran, Leonard and many more.

Ali in his prime was untouchable!

@michaeltrumph121

4 жыл бұрын

Wrong. Ali was very beatable, he had way too many flaws for his opponents to exploits. Prime Ali mostly fought bums.

@nodo7575

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeltrumph121 Yeah but he also compiled best HW wins outside of his prime mate.

@miker5233

4 жыл бұрын

That's an understatement rest in peace Ali

@fuddagimz5321

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaeltrumph121 I wouldnt call Patterson, Liston, Cooper, Quarry bums...

@diehard2033

3 жыл бұрын

Mike tyson was way two good in his prime but we all have Ower opinions and tyson blows threw fraizer within 3rounds mis match I think fraizer was two small for tyson but I would love two see maybe I am ring for sure.

Big George kills Larry Holmes. - sorry.

@kooroshrostami27

4 жыл бұрын

Well Shavers landed the heaviest punch he has on Holmes, put all his body in that punch, the hardest punch in history perhaps and Holmes got up, what makes you think Holmes can't survive a knockdown by Foreman?

@lestergreen1190

4 жыл бұрын

Uh...no.

@lestergreen1190

4 жыл бұрын

Holmes is exactly the type of fighter who could give george trouble, ali, jimmy young. A prime holmes was much better than jimmy young. Would have been a great fight, especially since they never liked each other.

@Dingoplexor

4 жыл бұрын

Lester Green if it wasn’t for the robbery vs Briggs we would’ve had the battle of the ages n we would have the answer bcuz when they were slated to fight the war dubbed the battle of the ages the two combined fighters ages added up to almost 100 years of age lol but ppl were still fired up about seeing it! Unfortunately it didn’t happen bcuz foreman got robbed of a decision vs Shannon Briggs

@J.C.117

4 жыл бұрын

@@kooroshrostami27 Maybe because George is a better puncher and boxer than Shavers?

We know your a Holmes fanboy Rummy 😂

@janczes10

4 жыл бұрын

Was he wrong though? Holmes is probably the most underrated HW champ alongside Liston

@ryandurkin2958

4 жыл бұрын

Because holmes was a great fighter that's why it's ali that's overated in my opinion.

@youtoo2233

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryandurkin2958 Holmes was the next big champion after Ali who was a hard act to follow not only because Ali being a great boxing Legend but his great personality, whereas Holmes could be a prick and an ass sometimes and people just didn't like that. This is why when Ali faded Sugar Ray Leonard became boxing's Golden Boy because he was very likeable and was beating the best welterweights around

@osb7948

4 жыл бұрын

Ryan Durkin - How’s Ali overrated?

@AliA-xr9xm

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if you just saw the punch Holmes took at 2:56 but that was Shavers punch. And Shavers is arguably the strongest puncher in heavyweight history. Only argument you could make was for Foreman. But as you see Holmes took that punch, that punch would put most heavyweights to sleep, and than he just gets right back up. Holmes was really really underrated.

WOW !! ! That was fantastic. i do think Louis's power, movement and all round ability was underestimated and Tyson's over estimated, i think Ali at his peak before his shameful forced exile was ahead of every heavy weight before him or since, his timing was genuinely perfect. But more importantly, I wanted to thank you for all the time and effort you put in making this amazing channel.

@H3aleme

4 жыл бұрын

I legit tear up every time I watch Ali fight because my subconscious mind can catch on how perfect his game was... It's one of those unexplainable fetishes us humans have like enjoying hearing a very strong efficient motor and stuff like that... A very weird sensation of satisfaction we get from seeing something powerful and efficient. It's kind of the same with Tyson too but not quite

@nicklasandersson5606

4 жыл бұрын

Just saying Tyson never beat a great fighter,he beat some good ones though.but he hasnt even the resume to be in such a tournament so dont compare him with Ali who has the best resume of all heawys,please,and never again leave such a dumb comment like the one that he would beat him. Tyson looked good and fast against bums and hasbeens in prolly the weakest era ever.

@ukfirebird

4 жыл бұрын

@Just Saying Tyson carried the heavyweight division for a few years because the quality of the heavyweights was poor in his time, in fact it was regarded as the worse era of heavyweights ever and at his so called peak Tyson struggled with both Tony Tucker and James smith who both went the distance, neither of those two had the boxing ability or power of a peak Lennox Lewis, Tyson beat old retired Larry Holmes but also avoided and Big George Foreman, also he failed to beat any elite fighter from his generation, go through his record and show me what great fighter he beat to justify him as a great, just because you knock out lesser fighters doesn't mean your a great. as i said to me his ability is over estimated among these great champions.

@ukfirebird

4 жыл бұрын

@OSCAR and EMMY i think Ali can say that about any heavyweight in history, he was after all faster than anyone before or since. i didnt say he would beat Tyson i said i thought his ability was underestimated in this video. he had very fast hands, threw very short had punches and knockout power, he also beat all the top heavyweights of his era and retired as the champion, the same cannot be said for Mike Tyson which is why i said Tyson has been over estimated in this video.

@mdluk199

2 жыл бұрын

@@ukfirebird The 80's era was nowhere near the worst for quality. Tyson was so good he made good fighters look average

I had Wlad beating Liston. Only change to first bracket id have.

@mattfrench9998

4 жыл бұрын

Steven Brideau nah I got Liston all day. Cause vlads chin is glass and listons wasn’t. Simple as that for me

@MultiWalrus1

4 жыл бұрын

No way. Wlad is overrated - while his brother is underrated! This is a strange situation but I find evidence for it all the time. Wlad was tremendously lucky to be fighting in an era when there was a lack of quality opposition. The few times he faced opponents who really came to fight he came unstuck, sometimes badly. Liston would have knocked bells out of him and I agree with Rummy that a second round stoppage is a likely result, probably after 3-4 knockdowns.

@osb7948

4 жыл бұрын

elliot granger - Did you really just describe Sonny Liston as a 6’1 midget with a glass chin? That’s a laughable statement.

@paulis4278

4 жыл бұрын

Liston will knockout Wlad!!!

@paulis4278

4 жыл бұрын

@elliot granger Go tell that to Andy Ruiz Jr. Andy is 5"11 and he mopped the the floor with 6"6' AJ . Liston has more reach and punching power than any other boxer in history.Wlad has no head movement . It will be a surprise if Wlad against Liston survive to the second round...

This was a brilliant upload. Thoroughly enjoyed indulging in the hypothetical. Good fun.

I personally put someone like Lennox Lewis above Larry Holmes (both in terms of legacy and head-to-head) - Lewis avenged his two losses while Holmes lost to Spinks twice. In regard to the hypothetical matchup Holmes could dance and snap the jab for a while, but Lewis was an equal (or better) boxer and once Holmes starts trading (like in the Norton fight) I think he’s getting stopped. Resume of great wins is also in favor of Lewis imo.

@Aidey75

4 жыл бұрын

Lennox Lewis, Ali and Holmes are my top 3 of all-time and in no particular order. They're all technical boxers, great hands and footwork. Top 3 jabs ever too. Ali the fastest, Lewis the biggest puncher with Holmes right in the middle. All smart with great ringmanship. Complete boxers.

@20FreeWill

4 жыл бұрын

On the right night Lewis could have won one of these tournaments

@Camcolito

3 жыл бұрын

@@Aidey75 Liston's jab better than all of them.

Excellent video Rummy, thank you for taking the time to discuss these dream match ups

Ali vs Holmes. Pre ban Ali was superhuman. He was further ahead of the competition than a prime SMW LHW Roy Jones was n we all kno just how untouchable Roy was at his best. Prime Ali, the pre ban Ali is beyond compare. The man was magical, one of a kind, simply put he is *THE Greatest* If it wasnt for Ali there would be no Holmes. Larry paid his dues as a sparring partner for Frazier & Ali, he learned at the feet of the master. Prime Ali dismantles n destroys a prime Holmes. No question about it.

@choppertoteme5007

4 жыл бұрын

He did get dropped by Henry cooper

@jaydengray4015

4 жыл бұрын

CHopper Toteme and?

@slickrik6666

4 жыл бұрын

100% spot on

@freddymichaels2334

4 жыл бұрын

@@choppertoteme5007 best thing that possibly could have happened to him. Thats when he first 'smellt the coffee' made him alot wiser and ready for what was to come.

@omt-youtube

4 жыл бұрын

@@choppertoteme5007 The knockdown by Cooper helped him to become superhuman. This experience was missing. And @spiderm0ose is right. Without Ali, there would be no Holmes. Even no Tyson.

Holmes vs Foreman and Tyson vs Frazier WOW!!

@jeffn.6360

4 жыл бұрын

The great Teddy Atlas has Tyson over Fraiser too, and hes never good wit Tyson!!! I like Foreman over Holmes tho too.. they are both close tho..

@jeffn.6360

4 жыл бұрын

The great Teddy Atlas has Louis over Tyson tho...uuuuhhh ooohh!!!! hahaha...these are good

@jeffn.6360

4 жыл бұрын

Id love to see Lewis, Ali...Lewis is one of the best to do it..slightly underrated...and this is a fantasy fight never talked about...This is a greeeat one!!! maybe my favorite!!!

@jeffn.6360

4 жыл бұрын

These should almost all be statistically, computer generated...id be very interested in that!!!!

@ianlobo9045

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffn.6360 man imagine Ali vs lewis Holmes vs foreman Holyfield vs joe louis Tyson vs frazier Shavers vs liston In a night that shit would make billions haha

Dude - Your channel is the best boxing channel ive seen. And the fact that boxing in the last 12 years is my no 1 passion - makes your channel a big big favorite. Thanks again for this excellent content.

The rum master is back!!

You need to also be fair in terms of prep time. If the older guys were trained nowadays, everything would’ve been more effective ... Nutrition Physical training Recovery methods And of course, PEDs.

Another amazing, well thought out video. Incredible work Rummy, incredible. 👏

Tyson never got up of the canvas to win as far as i know, no way he gets to the final. I think Lewis vs Ali is 50-50 goes to the scorecards. Lennox beat everyone he ever fought very underrated.

@Aidey75

4 жыл бұрын

If Tyson didn't dominate or knock the opposition out early he tended to struggle. The longer it went on the less likely for a Tyson win.

@nickleback3695

4 жыл бұрын

Very few fighter would ever have the opportunity to put a peak tyson on the canvas.

@michaeltrumph121

4 жыл бұрын

@@Aidey75 That is not true. A washed up Tyson gave up, not a prime one.

@johnc7124

4 жыл бұрын

@Stuart Sutton it's because he's the 2nd most popular boxer of all time and his true potential wasn't really seen, we don't know what he could of done or who he could of beaten.

@fiucik1

4 жыл бұрын

It's about who and when Lennox had faced... I mean he was KO'd by McCall. What had McCall, that Ali or Holmes or others didn't? Lewis was vulnerable. Chin. Period.

This is amazing! Thank you brother! Keep your hands up and continue conquering KZread. Best channel in the world .

I have to strongly disagree that Holmes beats Foreman, Ali only beat foreman due to strategy that could only work once, before that Big george would eat Holmes alive.

@spirgtudsrubec7776

4 жыл бұрын

Jack Nicholson That was not an in prime Ali.

@Head318Hunter

4 жыл бұрын

I have to agree. It's the Incredible Hulk vs Batman. In a cage. To the death. I'm putting my green 💵 on the GREEN.

@KBX12Gaming

3 жыл бұрын

Also Ali only beat foreman cause foreman wasn't accustomed to the weather conditions. Dude was exhausted more then actually ko'ed

@anthonylopresti3078

3 жыл бұрын

And a big satanic deal.. No one could take foreman bombs to the body for 8-1/2 rounds no way..

@darkesthorse8679

3 жыл бұрын

@@KBX12Gaming i think foreman would eventually gassed out against holmes as well

We can do the match up three times and have three diffrent winners. Great work Rummy.

This is just sooooooo good! I thoroughly enjoyed his video! Thank you, Rummy!

Fantastic! Love the commentary

Muhammad Ali in the Cleveland Williams fight was the best ever. No one could have stopped Muhammad Ali that night.

@youtoo2233

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I've got that Ali beating any heavyweight in history. In my opinion if that Ali had fought the prime 1971 Frazier he would have beaten Frazier probably by unanimous decision. And imagine that Ali versus the 80 prime Holmes, imagine how much better Ali would have done with those amazing reflexes and speed of hand and foot he had in the 60s. In fact in 1975 against Chuck wepner Ali still had very fast swift hands and probably still would have beaten a prime Holmes

@weenitomcchile1380

4 жыл бұрын

@@youtoo2233 I was on board with what you were saying til the last. 1975 Ali would not beat prime holmes.

@harliv2571

3 жыл бұрын

@@weenitomcchile1380 a 65' Ali could definitely defeat Holmes in my opinion, but by 1975 he was already ageing, he still had something left in him but certainly not what he had.

This is one of my favourite videos of yours and I’d love to see the concept revisited in other weight classes because this one was great

Excellent video, too many variables but fun to think about, Holmes was something else his style like ali's was a joy to watch

Priceless video as always

Why is Povetkin in there? You must be having a laugh

@sildek7240

2 жыл бұрын

same thought, so many heavyweights to put in this spot instead. Bowe? Marciano?

@ceez2140

2 жыл бұрын

Lmfao that's exactly what I was thinking wtf?

@king4fore

2 ай бұрын

This list is silly, no Dempsey, Marciano, johnson

Superb Upload, enjoyed from start to end and while i have a few different points on the fighters i cant not like how you did this. Brilliant Rummy

This is awesome Rummy, love ur channel and recommend it to all my boxing buddies.... we need more videos like this!!

In my opinion, Wlad, Lennox, Vitali and Holmes would all be a massive force to be reckoned with in any era, unlike others mentioned here. I don’t think Liston would have got past Wlad just because Wlad is so much better on his feet and is all round quicker and fast enough to keep himself away from Liston - maybe even just winning on points to keep himself safe. Of course, Wlad v Ali is impossible to call, it really depended on what version of each fighter turned up. I’d have Frazier over Tyson and Holmes over Holyfield. But I also agree with your high assessment of Larry Holmes - he’s SO underrated.

@jamestodd1104

4 жыл бұрын

At Hunkydory I've always said that Louis and Ali are the greatest. But Vitali and Lennox would beat more of the top 25 of all time than anyone else. They were so big and powerful, still throwing out great volume and punch selection.

@Elnont

4 жыл бұрын

James Todd I agree although I’d have Wlad over Vitali - Vitali was tougher but boxing wise, Wladimir moved quicker, had better technique, hit harder and had ridiculously good footwork - agree with ur statement though.

The coming to America barber shop scenes are brilliant

Well done rummy I like the effort you put into all of this and your energy

Great content, tremendous work. Thanks Rummy...

1966 Muhammad Ali conquers all, footwork and speed on a different planet to everyone else. He beats any Heavyweight past or present...probably predicts the round too.

@onthedry8386

4 жыл бұрын

agree with you... ali by far the best of all time

@michaeltrumph121

4 жыл бұрын

Ali is the most overrated boxer in history. Tyson, Bowe, Holmes, Lewis, Holyfield, Liston, Wlad - they all beat him

@pascalscherr5206

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeltrumph121 haha

@michaeltrumph121

4 жыл бұрын

@@pascalscherr5206 That's the truth, whether u like it or not.

@nodo7575

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeltrumph121 Tyson is the most overrated boxer ever. Ali embarrased Liston even when Liston used some shit to blind him.

Ali at his best beats everyone...At his VERY best he was a unique Athlete who overcame his opponents in varied and intelligent ways. Top, Top fighters couldn’t even lay a glove on him. Legend RIP

@thegoldenhero

4 жыл бұрын

@Ice booy Ali beats him by decision

@futuregohan2398

4 жыл бұрын

Ice booy Holmes’s era was a walk in the park compared to Ali’s era.

@michaeltrumph121

4 жыл бұрын

@@futuregohan2398 Ali beat bums for most of his career. There are only 2 exceptions: Frazier, who beat Ali when both were closest to their prime; Foreman, who Ali tricked and never fought again cause he knew that wouldn't work a second time. I'm not counting Liston, cause he was old and the fight was fixed. Ali is the most overrated boxer in history.

@keepthechange2811

4 жыл бұрын

@Ice booyHolmes was Ali sparring partner for years. Holmes coming into his prime really did fight like Ali. He learned it getting his ass kicked by the Greatest of all Times

@ZBOXINGTALK

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeltrumph121bro what are you talking about Ali was out of the ring for years and loses a close decision to Frazier then beats him twice and Knocked out Foreman, Foreman, in 1977 got beaten by Jimmy young, who Ali then beat! Ali is the Greatest Heavyweight! The 70s was the Greatest Era for The Heavyweight Division, With the 90s being second. Ali beat everyone in his prime!

Great video. Boxing needs your videos

Really good video, enjoyed this, Rummy..

I have to say, I agree with your Holmes assessment. To me, he's possibly the best all-round fighter, and would end up with the best record in this hypothetical scenario, as much as I love so many of the other guys. He's always been underrated, but he's one of the best of all time.

Yeah Foreman-Holmes is an amazing fight, I've really enjoyed this video Speculating on fantasy fight is quite entertaining. A Fantasy Middleweight tournament is what I'm looking forward to now

What interesting picks, great video as always!!!

The fact you took the time to actually do this tells us all how much you love boxing., thanks man

Let's be honest, some of us have done this before on a sheet of paper before lol

you coulda at least put buster douglas in the tournament to knock out tyson again 😂

@Sonny-oq1km

3 жыл бұрын

Not taking away anything away from Douglas but let’s be honest if there was a rematch to that fight Tyson would 100% beat him

@ariantheassasin206

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sonny-oq1km yea he actually wanted a rematch but there was no way to win against tyson he was fat he had shit tons of money there was no point in fighting tyson so thats why he declined a rematch tyson actually gave buster a rematch offer when he came back from prison

This hypothetical video rocks! Hope u keep making more

Thx for the vid Rummy! Great work.

@calaincummings735

4 жыл бұрын

I personally fill riddick Bowe at one point in his career was better the Evander Hollyfield

i havent watched it yet but i can tell this vids is gonna be great

Very good video, but I have Muhammad Ali all the way. I do agree with your comments on Larry Holmes, he was a very good yet underrated boxer.

great video as always rummy, im a young romanian boxing fan and no doubt your channnel is the top dog in the bussiness Keep up the good work!

Great video, I actually agree with the hypothetical results very closely. Excellent Job!!!!

Tyson and Frazier man I love that one left hooks all night from both

"If you put all the fighters of the world in the same room, only Rocky Marciano comes out alive"

@xandao8754

4 жыл бұрын

No way. Ali , Frazier , Foreman , Tyson , Holyfield and Holmes... They're all ahead of Marciano's

@boxnow8774

4 жыл бұрын

@Matthew Anthony He wasn't 5'9 and 180. He was 5'11 and at his nax weight 205

@xandao8754

4 жыл бұрын

@@boxnow8774 I'm not sure, but I think that Marciano Never reached 200 pounds on his whole carrer. His maximum carreer weight was 195/196 pounds

@zazzazoozay2914

4 жыл бұрын

HA! With that room Rocky neva see's the light from the other room.

What a video! Keep up the amazing work man. Was a bit gutted Jack Johnson didn't win the whole thing but that's just a bit of hero worship on my part lol can't wait for the next one

This was a fantastic idea! Of course, as with everyone else, I have my disagreements on the matchups, but it was still a highly entertaining video and was great to kind of play along too. Thoroughly enjoyed it!

I feel like Wlad Is very underappreciated fighter. He was painted by the media as the jab-and-grab boxer but he was also very intelligent and exceptionally fast for a guy his size. Mainly his footwork is very underrated. There's a reason why great fighters like Haye, Byrd and Povetkin couldn't land a proper punch on him, and clinching was not the sole reason.

@stevenbrideau3741

4 жыл бұрын

This 100%. Prime Wlad hangs in with the best HWs. Doesnt beat all obviously but strong fight.

I feel like with Lennox size and skill he's a top 5 heavyweight of all time and when he was in his hay day I hated him and wanted anyone and everyone to beat him.....but the dude is I'll and with his size and jab he is a real problem for most

@Aidey75

4 жыл бұрын

100% correct.

Magic mate, continue with the same methodology.....

Top notch video, the break down of each bout was concise and informative and still entertaining. I think the each champ going up against all the others that Rummy spoke of was spot on, Holmes style is a match up problem for all, he did everything well and really had no weakness to attack.

How slow Foreman beat technical Lewis, and how Liston with so weak chin beet so careful Wlad?How?

@aaronam0115

4 жыл бұрын

Foreman and Liston had great, powerful jabs and could take a hell of a punch. Foreman had sneaky fast hands that could break down a concrete wall and Liston had the arm span of a 6’6 guy

@Camcolito

3 жыл бұрын

Liston had a great chin, what are you talking about? Go look at Liston's career.

The version of Ali that beat Cleveland Williams, beats any fighter ever.

@stevens392

4 жыл бұрын

Williams had like half his intestine removed.

@michaeltrumph121

4 жыл бұрын

No he doesn't. Cleveland Williams was a shot fighter when Ali beat him. Tyson, Bowe, Holmes, Lewis, V. Klitschko, Holyfield, Liston (not taking a dive) - they all beat Ali.

@aaronam0115

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Trumph You were correct until you said Wlad and Liston beat Ali. Liston was legitimately trying in their first fight and he was getting dominated. Wlad wouldn’t throw a punch if his jab couldn’t land and if Fury could completely freeze him Ali would be a nightmare with his quicker hands and feet

@TheCharlesJackson

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaeltrumph121 Ali would've beaten any version of Williams. That list is a joke too right? Lewis is the only one who could legit beat a prime Ali. His style was just too good. Tyson would be embarrassed by Ali. Liston was tailor made for Ali. Holmes would lose by a razor thin decision. Holyfield loses a decision as well. The rest dont matter.

@maltelauridsbrigge3776

4 жыл бұрын

I've watched that fight so many times. Isn't it absolutely amazing, a true master class in boxing? I just love that fight and wait for the round where he comes out and throws that off-foot punch, and you know he could have ended it anytime then, itwas bordering on cruel.

This is a great video, i like it alot. It would be easier to watch if this video was made into two.

Definitely please do this again for other weight classes! This was great. I may not agree with all of the fights decisions but I respect the process you took getting there. I did agree that gorgeous George wins the second tournament. The seeding MATTERS!

In my opinion, you did the Klitschko's dirty here lol, I don't think Liston has a chance at all agaisnt Wladimir, Liston is slow on his feet, he isn't getting close, and Lennox isn't stopping Vitali, Vitali has never been hurt, Lennox by decision but definitely not a stoppage and in 5 rounds? what have you been smoking Rummy lol.

@maxlg800

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah Vitali has an ATG chin

@quarantinejet2312

4 жыл бұрын

Liston would kill Wladimir: Extreme power Hard jab Iron chin Not that slow

Brave call on Holmes vs Foreman, well done Bummy. Its impossible to split em in my book. I rekon it would take a classic 5 fight series to split em. I mean it only took some of Alis legendary toughness, psyche warfare, ring generalship, his championship know how and a trip to a jungle in deepest darkest Africe to derail the monstrous wrecking machine that was a prime Foreman. As for Holmes ? Ali had been in with bangers like Cooper, Liston, Frazier, Foreman but rekoned nobody could wallop like Earnie Shavers. Larry took Shavers best shots, hauled himself up offa the deck to win. Holmes vs Foreman shoulda, woulda, coulda been *THE* best rivalry in the history of HW boxing, at least as legendary as Ali vs Frazier, Holyfield vs Bowe & Holyfield vs just about everybody he ever fought ! Brave call Bummy !

exellent video! cant wait the middleweights and welterweights!

Awesome work on this video, hypothetical matchups and tournament are always incredibly interesting to view! Gotta ask, I know this was released 2 years ago, but is there any chance at getting another one of these tournaments at any point? Hadn't seen any others on the channel since but would certainly love to see another one of these!

Anything can happen in boxing with style match ups but I think I’m going with Ali taking out Holmes in the final match up,with George foreman 3rd and Lennox 4th

Lenix only beat vitaly cuz of the cut that made the doctor stop the fight Vitaly was up on the cards until that happened. If Lenix was younger it may have been tighter but not a 5 round tko...

@Aidey75

4 жыл бұрын

Lennox was by far the better boxer.

@RawJa777

4 жыл бұрын

@@Aidey75 Maybe, but not that night. That cut was caused by the laces on Lennox's glove, not a punch, and he's lucky lucky lucky lucky that it happened. He was fixing to get knocked out that night - Vitali wasn't gonna be denied.

This channel is gold!!!

Dude that was awesome!

I totally agree about Larry Holmes. He had the potential to beat anyone. I couldn't see Tyson in any final though. I have him losing to almost everyone in these tournaments. He never proved he could beat a prime world class boxer.

@chrisbates61

4 жыл бұрын

You are fucking crazy this is set in each boxer's prime that means Custamado would still be alive and Tyson could not be beat by anybody on the list

Hard to believe in recent years Marciano gets dismissed as having beaten nobody and then in the next breath rate Holmes as the all time greatest overall skilled heavyweight. Who did Larry beat in his career to get such accolades? Tyson wiped out that 80s division in 2 years.

@aaronam0115

4 жыл бұрын

He beat a strong Norton and showed far more raw talent, athleticism, and ring generalship than Rocky

Excited to see your middleweight tournament and see how the Marvelous one fares!

Amazing Video loved it

Where is my man Ken Norton ? ......

@TheFreedef

4 жыл бұрын

And where is my man Big Daddy Bowe ?

@gp365y

4 жыл бұрын

See his earlier vid on the heavyweights and the ranking system used.

@jaydengray4015

4 жыл бұрын

TheFreedef Norton would get destroyed against everyone on the list

I cant believe you picked Tyson over JOE LOUIS. Louis would stop Tyson, I think Louis is the best finisher in heavyweight history.

@drepop803

4 жыл бұрын

Louis isn't even a real HW. He constantly fought under 200lbs. No way he takes Tysons power and aggression early.

@Azziee

4 жыл бұрын

Louis too small

@antoniogiles272

4 жыл бұрын

Lewis was getting whooped by a light heavyweight and got stunned

@hammad9091

4 жыл бұрын

@@Azziee Louis was 6 ft 3, Tyson was 5 ft 11

@child3549

4 жыл бұрын

drepop803 a prime joe louis took max Baer’s power early so I think louis would get a middle to late round stoppage

Love it! Quite insightful, with room for debate.

That was fantastic and so much fun to watch

How many fighters talked about "controlling" Iron Mike or "interrupting his rythym" - how'd that work with a "prime" Tyson

@juanig4198

2 жыл бұрын

How many of the fighters that said it even compare to ones on the list, alwo the fact that tyson had problemn with long range tall boxers even on his primer, tony tucker and bonecrusher smith as a example and those two were not half as good as the one on this list

If you enjoy these things why not do a hypothetical round robin, you can even award draws that way

@ronbou4728

4 жыл бұрын

Or even give a % on which way you think the fight could go

This was one of the most enjoyable videos to watch on the whole of KZread

Great vid! Loved it!!

100% Frazier stops Tyson, Tyson was mentally weak past 3 rounds

@pluemas

4 жыл бұрын

Couldnt agree more. Frazier loved the fight and Tyson wasnt stopping him before gassing out past 7. Frazier KO round 9 IMO.

@jamesalandixon

4 жыл бұрын

It's not like Tyson never won a fight on points. In a 15 round fight there's no way he'd get a decision over Frazier, he'd need to take him out early, which is a strong possibility. In a 12 round fight I agree with Rummy it could go to a razor thin split decision that could go either way. There's also a strong possibility Frazier stops him late.

@drepop803

4 жыл бұрын

Completely disagree. I don't think joe could of took Tysons early onslaught. I have Tyson winning in under 3 rounds. Joe is there for getting hit and he had no speed to counter mikes speed.

@bigblock1968impala

4 жыл бұрын

Tyson easy

@bgalloway7199

4 жыл бұрын

George Foreman easily handled Frazier in each of their matches. It depends on how you see Tyson's prime power and aggression, and I see that aspect as unique to Tyson in it's devastation. Tyson KO or TKO in early rounds... (coming from a hater because of the ear thing)

I wonder how Zora Folley wound up on this list over somebody like Archie Moore? (Who Ali also beat in his waning years).

@lukebullen705

4 жыл бұрын

No Rocky Marciano either

@redbulljones

4 жыл бұрын

Archie Moore was never much of a heavyweight. He is always seen as a light heavy

Good show bro, love it.

Great vid. So much fun. You convinced me that Holmes would probably take the prize at the end.

I'm waiting for the middleweights and the welterweights.

I believe Ali and Foreman would always win over any other fighter with Frazier and Tyson occasionally sharing the top slot . My ranking of all time greatest top 4 heavyweights is : 1. Ali 2. Foreman 3. Frazier 4. Tyson

@nicklasandersson5606

4 жыл бұрын

And who did Tyson beat to end up there?

Love the breakdown love the list

I never expected to watch this entire video......this was a lot of fun....I didn't agree with all of your calls....but you made excellent and logical arguments for each one. Love your videos....keep up the good work!