I swear the only enemy worthy of fighting Hurrem is Ibrahim! Even if they always tried to take the other down, they always respected each other. They had a special bond and I really think they secretly admired each other. If they were on the same side they would've made a great team!

This is the most open and honest conversation Mahidevran and Hurrem ever had.

@plams4488

3 жыл бұрын

What about their last confrontation? I always saw that as a more honest, albeit morally ambiguous setting of accounts.

@TJRhea

Жыл бұрын

​@@plams4488 Hmm, I would agree on Hurrem's end but not really Mahidevran's. She still was holding on the the past, and she didn't seem to have accepted her own part in things.

"Nobody asks for permission from Ibrahim Pasha." One of the major differences between Mahidevran and Hurrem, honestly. Mahidevran always needed her allies in the end while Hurrem had been trained to stand without anyone on her side.

@plams4488

3 жыл бұрын

But while she didn't exactly develop out of it like it happened with many other traits, Mahidevran had that way less in Manisa. She acted herself more often and didn't say stuff like do you think Ibrahim Pasha would let this anymore.

@Redluna32

3 жыл бұрын

​@@plams4488 This wasn't a dig against Mahidevran just a reflection on where each woman started and the affects it had on them, which I find interesting. Besides, even after her Manisa glow up, you could argue Mahidevran still drew on alliances, such as with Gulfem or the sultan's sisters. Something that, as the series progresses, Hurrem borrows as a similiar model. I actually like it in their characters somewhat as it's one of the few well protrayed contrats between the old ways that Mahidevran represents and the newer ones that Hurrem does.

@plams4488

3 жыл бұрын

@@Redluna32 Agreed! I know it's an interesting contrast, but it sometimes gets ruined when the fandom views it in extremes, without the nuance, like how both approaches ended up being flawed, and only use it to champion one in the expense of another, equally interesting character.

@Redluna32

3 жыл бұрын

@@plams4488 Oh, yes, that turned a little into late night babbling on you, apologies haha. It's just always a little tricky as what I've thought an interesting complexity of Mahidevran's character has been seen as an effort to drag her down. And, while sometimes I want to tweak her character in the show just a little, it's only when I get way too wrapped up in the historical side of things.

@plams4488

3 жыл бұрын

@@Redluna32 Oh yes, her complexity is often ignored by the fandom!

i just realized that ibrahim did what he accused hurrem, he killed leo because he said that hurrem was cheating on the sultan but that was not true, yet he did cheat on hatice and even have a child with his lover

@AriesAprilian

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, and the moron hatice blame hurrem for his cheating

@Myvideos78

2 жыл бұрын

@@AriesAprilian hatice never blamed Hurrem for Ibrahim's cheating on her, rather she blamed Hurrem for the execution of Ibrahim Pasha

@richajain7753

2 жыл бұрын

@@Myvideos78 she did

@wandaashley4399

2 жыл бұрын

Ibrahim became greedy,. And wanted more power. That he forgot where he came from Mahidevran thought she was better and above everyone,,,,,and she cause a lot upon herself. But ,the she also played the victim role to Valda and Mustafa which cause Hurrem to be hurt . When she had told so many lies about Hurrem,,that it hurt Hurrem and the Sultan me er really punished her for all the evil doings.

@sonybramantio769

2 жыл бұрын

@@Myvideos78 whatever... Hatice just Dumb

Hurrem was always SAVAGE with her comebacks. She's Queen!

@jobairkhondoker5775

2 жыл бұрын

I like your's hypocrisy when it comes to support Hurrem at any cost, if the same thing would have done by Mahidevran you guys would have bashed her if you could.

@godliveopoku-duah9704

2 жыл бұрын

@@jobairkhondoker5775 everyone has their favourites. Yours is Mahidveran, mine is Hurrem. And that's that

That last _I'm free, you're a slave_ bit really cut deep!

@rahelhorvat1471

2 жыл бұрын

that's why marriages between sultanas and Ibrahim and Lufti pasha failed, they saw them as slaves, not husbands.

@paolaa.calderonsanchez4666

2 жыл бұрын

@@rahelhorvat1471 well, Lufti wasn't a slave, he was a free state man but would never be in the same level a blood Sultana could be. On the other hand, Ibrahim indeed was a slave and his marriage with Hatice (proven false by historians) was very surreal, I mean in what world would a slave be allowed to marry a blood Sultana? It makes no sense but again there's a big difference. Up in the first level there were the Sultanas, then the state men, then the slaves no matter the title said slave held.

@draganagavric4944

2 жыл бұрын

@@paolaa.calderonsanchez4666 This show just doesn't make sense. Slaves (male and female) weren't allowed to get married in any empire, in any culture. When they got married they were allready free people. Ibrahim was also free at some point because he had a wife named Muhsine hatun. All the concubines had the "Sultan" title from the moment when they gave birth to a boy. I mean, what the f..k? How can anyone have a royal title and still be a slave? This is just not logical. Mahidevran insulting Hürrem all the time as a slave but in episode where Suleiman freed Hürrem, Mahidevran herself askes to be freed, so that means she is also a slave. No wonder that descendents of the Ottoman's filed a complaint againt the Producers🤣

Hurrem is straight gangsta.

Hurrem always accept her mistake to other unlike mahi pretending like a victim!!!😂😂😂😂 smart and braved woman

@kimmy7907

3 жыл бұрын

Hurrem is like me im being honest to my self and anyone 😂✌

@comradeleppi2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@kimmy7907 true

@tegwaturan2994

3 жыл бұрын

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@ItsChristenDeAlger

3 жыл бұрын

That's why she won she admitted, accepted, learned from her mistakes and grew from them Mahidevran on the other hand never did she played the victim even tho she wasn't

@sadafrafiq5006

2 жыл бұрын

Thats why hurrem learnt from her mistakes.. But mahidevran from day 1 to mustafa's death was crying and blaming hurrem.. No growth.. 😂 😂

OK BUT THE CHEMISTRY BETWEEN IBRAHIM AND HURREM IS JUST AAAAA

Never underestimate an ennemy!..There was never a day where Ibrahim and Mahidevran would spit into Hurrem face that she was a slave !..In the end she used thier arogance and thier pride against them ..Hurem lost loads of battles but she was humble enought to learn from them !..In the end she came back as a free woman ..a Queen and mother of the future King !!

@iqrakhalidzakariah4842

2 жыл бұрын

And imagine,both of them remained slaves whereas Hurrem was freed.

The ultimate winner 💝💝💝 Haseki Hurrem Sultan 💝💝💝

Sultana Hurrem not only beautiful but has a brilliant mind. ❤️

Hurrem always keeps her word 👏👏 QUEEN 👑

I enjoy that, having won, Hürrem was still willing to offer Mahidevran an olive branch. She knew it wouldn’t be accepted, but she offered it anyways. It reminds me of a conversation she later has with Mustafa. If only Mahidevran hadn’t pushed Hürrem into an adversarial relationship. The latter has a handful of sons; she’d have a vested interest in letting Mustafa live if only to avoid setting a precedent of fratricide for her own sons - in turn benefitting Mahidevran. Whoops.

@rsync9490

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that would have actually made mahi valide. Oh well I guess.

I like this much better than Game of Thrones you are definitely on the edge of your seat but with much less graphic violence and much less vulgarity

@alexandralucard

3 жыл бұрын

Agree...You don't need porn scenes, special effects and blue screens to make good TV serie or movie.

@qtaro-7097

3 жыл бұрын

with better clapbacks 😂

Mahidevran always expected Ibrahim (and everyone else) to save her sorry arse when she screwed up. She ran the harem into great debt and then was shocked Ibrahim didn't save her.

@comradeleppi2000

3 жыл бұрын

Lol true

@fancier95

3 жыл бұрын

Rightt..she blame hurrem, guhsal, suleiman n everyone for her every screw up, n then cry..

@Hazelangel70

2 жыл бұрын

Haven't seen someone incompetent and stupid like her . Wearing a crown doesn't make her a Queen

Hurrem played on their arrogance and pride. Both were so narrow minded it did not even occur to them they should take the responsibility.

@libertass

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. And people like Mahidevran or Hatice were naive, they could not control their emotions so they always ended up making mistakes. But even Sah Huban or Fatma, they were much smarter and patient, yet so ambitious and full of themselves being blood members of the dynasty- untouchable. Hürrem fought beside her status, she never underestimated any of her opponents and she would carefully look for tiny weak points which she would exploit to start weakening them until her ending attack. She got cocky sometimes, which led to her losing some battles, but other than that she was a fantastic opponent. Ibrahim was such a good match, but arrogance is what took him down eventually.

Actually the accurate translation is “who’s asking for permission from ibrahim?”, ik urs wasnt far off but the way she said it was more savage than simply “nobody asks for permission”

Hurrem is like me. I don't start fights. But I DAMN sure will finish them. 😍💜💜

@chinnaduraiharikrishnan4640

2 жыл бұрын

Don't take it wrong, drama is different, our life is different, learn to live without likes and dislikes!

" I'm a free woman, u r slave " thats hurt.

She pinched ibrahim where it hurts😅

Hurrem had to play smart, take her L's and keep moving. Turhan had the right to BE Valide and Kosem had to step aside but the higher you are the harder you fall. Turhan says in KOSEM series.. you have to go against the most powerful one and beat them to BECOME the most powerful and you have to do it carefully. ------ and she killed Kosem. SO a little more lethal than Hurrem, Hurrem was the first one out of the gate and made her son a king. Salim.

@bonniescheele4300

3 ай бұрын

I honestly think hurrem wanted her other son to be slutan. remember her telling him not to be merciful

Smart woman ever 🤩 #Hurrem

Dayyyum! She went there!

Hurrem 😍😍😍🤩🤩🤩

SAVAGE!!!!!! She said I’m free but you’ll always be a slave😂😂😂

It's bad how they blame hurrem for everything

Well done hurrem sultana!

Brilliant scene

This is a woman suppose to be esp.this days.. Dressing MODEST WAY but her Intelligence is always SAVAGE..

Mahideveran set her own trap and fell into it.

I don't get it! How is a slave a pasha and a the most powerful man in the ottoman empire after the sultan? Somebody explain?! Are all the people in the harem slaves? But they get paid and have titles?

@rozychan402

3 жыл бұрын

From the little history I know, the women in the harem were slaves. They are all not Muslims because there is a prohibition against making a Muslim as a slave. They were brought from different continents to work in the harem. As well as Yanisari, they are kidnapped from their families and becomes a slave. And because Ibrahim before serving as a pasha was a Yanisari, it is true, he was a slave. what makes it different is some of them have a high position compared to other slaves, but still the fact is that they are slaves

@nesrinebk2743

3 жыл бұрын

@@rozychan402 oh so they still can work and have titles but it's the way they were brought to the harem that makes them slaves? What are things that a free man can do but a slave can't? I mean i wouldn't know ibrahim was a slave if they didn't keep mentioning it! He seemed free to do what he wanted.

@rozychan402

3 жыл бұрын

@@nesrinebk2743 so the practice was called Devsirme. A child would be taken as a form of taxation from Christian families in the European provinces (although some were taken from Muslim families in Bosnia), or Asia Minor who were under Ottoman rule to be selected to become a Yanisari or high ranking sultan. because the recruited child could reach the position of grand vizier, there were some parents who even paid bribes to have their child taken. I think because of their position which is considered as a tribute to the empire, they might be considered as slaves. what made them different from other slaves, they had special rights and high status. but they are still slaves to the Ottoman empire

@rozychan402

3 жыл бұрын

Actually the story of a slave who can get a position as a queen or an honorary concubine is not just a story from the Ottoman Empire. During the Joseon dynasty a servant slave who worked in the palace was also able to obtain a high title and occupy the position of a queen and give birth to a successor to the throne. The Ottomans in my opinion have a unique system of selecting a consort for the Sultan. Unlike other European kingdoms which married a king to a princess from another kingdom, they chose women from the lower classes. The reason as far as I know is so that they can't interfere in political affairs. but in the end it became oroni after the female sultanate era.

@ImMarius1

3 жыл бұрын

@@rozychan402 "high ranking sultan?" 😂

Yea, Ibrahim was trap in the swamp by himself

I dont remember what was the problem for ibrahim pasha..where he looks so helpless& defeated?? I cant recollect.

2:17!🔥🤣👏 gangsta moment

Did hurrem tied her scarf into a knot ???

@kimmy7907

3 жыл бұрын

I think yeah i did it sometimes 😂

And mehmets live was the orice she made Mehnet grave she dig step

@louradelaney8074

3 жыл бұрын

Not hardly. Mahidevan made clear long before that she’d never tolerate Hurrem sons living. Blame that witch not their poor mother.

Hurrem is such a devil … I only like the aged Hurrem who comes in the later part … ( classy , attitude , clever , diplomatic n most importantly calm n composed ) .. this part of Hurrem … she is victorious only because of her viciousness…

@jeanneaubert4193

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha! Oh look bot cryiiing! Hurrem was smart and gorgeous! Stop criiies

@camiyep0lat7585

2 жыл бұрын

She is is the smartest and will always win! Cryyy!

Lol it wasn’t hard to set the trap when you poisoned hurrem and could of easily poisoned the sultan as well

Hurrem and her dirty games she is the reason for downfall of ottomans dynasty. Just check out the last of the series she is more intelligent than mahidevran but her son was eligible for throne. But in the end the love couple of magnificent, Suleiman and hurrem made a way of unworthy son selim hats off to those who love hurrem and her thoughts.

@jeanneaubert4193

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahah! Really? Prove your words? The empire was the strongest with Suleiman and Hurrem and with Selim! Hurrem was greatest sultana in history! Hurrem’s son Mehmed was crown prince, not mustafa, but Mahideevan killled him. History doesn’t agree with you! During Hurrem the empire was strongest. The empire stayed strong hundreds more years! The Ottoman’s empire was very strong after Selim and it ended in 1922 - that’s more than 400 years after Mustafa, due to internal stagnation, costly defensive wars, European colonialism, and nationalist revolts among its multiethnic subjects. So READ HISTORY you 🤡🤡 Your Mustafa was nothing for my country Turkey. hahahaha

@gunescelik4207

2 жыл бұрын

Who told you? I am Turrkish you 🤡🤡 Go read history! Hurrem was greatest sultana! She and Suleiman builllt strongest empire! Elligible for throne was Mehmed- Suleiman’s favorite son- best and smartest son! Mahidervan killled him! NOW READ HISTORY! The downfall of Ottoman’s Empire started after 1800. That’s hundreds years after 🤡 Selim! The Ottoman economy was disrupted by inflation, caused by the influx of precious metals into Europe from the Americas and by an increasing imbalance of trade between East and West. After a revolt, Greece won their independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1830. In 1878, the Congress of Berlin declared the independence of Romania, Serbia and Bulgaria. During the Balkan Wars, which took place in 1912 and 1913, the Ottoman Empire lost nearly all their territories in Europe. The Ottoman empire officially ended in 1922 when the title of Ottoman Sultan was eliminated. Turkey was declared a republic on October 29, 1923, when Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (1881-1938), an army officer, founded the independent Republic of Turkey. So READ HISTORY and leave as you know nothing on my country! Hahahaha!

@camiyep0lat7585

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahahahaha! Really? Read history! Hurrem made the empire greatest, she is known as greatest sultana! And the Ottomans empire was strong until 1922, this is 400 years after Hurrem! Try harder bottt!

@kawsarnaseri3208

2 жыл бұрын

Bwahahahahahah! Oh really? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 History doesn’t agree with you! Hurrem is known as the smartest, strongest, greatest sultan! She and Suleyiman made empire greatest and Selim was known as good sultan too. The Ottomans Empire was strong until 1922, this is 400 years after Hurrem. READ HISTORY and 🤫🤫🤫

@lilymasood3O67

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, you made everyone laugh. Now Read history and shutttt🤗

I like your's hypocrisy when it comes to support Hurrem at any cost, if the same thing would have done by Mahidevran you guys would have bashed her if you could.

@ayzasaqib1907

Жыл бұрын

Mahidevran wouldn't be able to do it at the first place, doing an action and later admitting it requires a lot of courage which Mahidevran wasn't even near to

Ok with all of congratulations to Hürrem but, don't forget something: all of her actions, show only one thing: revenge! Hürrem did all these things, because deeply, in her mind, had only one plan: to destroy the Ottoman Empire! There wasn't love in her actions, only revenge!

@nesrinebk2743

3 жыл бұрын

Hurrem wanted to keep her kids alive! Would you have stood waiting for Mustapha to be Sultan, your boys executed, your daughter married off somewhere and for you to be banished and forgotten?! Hurrem didn't have a broblem as long as Sulaiman is still sultan her goal was to make one of her kids a sultan after him that way she could be sure nothing is going to happen to her and her other kids!

@rosekoufopoulou8973

3 жыл бұрын

@@nesrinebk2743 like Mahidevran, Hürrem was keeping from her kids to be powerful! She wanted to keep her kids alive, to stay alive too! About Mustapha, we will never know if he would keep the tradition, which wanted the first-born son kills his brothers to take the throne! Mustapha proved his love for them, especially for Mehmet!

@nesrinebk2743

3 жыл бұрын

@@rosekoufopoulou8973 there were no signs that Mustapha was against the tradition! And going by his supporters, it is clear to me that they would advised him to do it. I don't fault mahidevran either! She too had a right to protect her son. And any woman would have acted the same as mahidevran and hurrem.

@rozychan402

3 жыл бұрын

yes, hurrem says that while on the way to Topkapi. She even prayed for the destruction of the dynasty because she didn't want to work in the harem. But she changed her mind after meeting Sulaeman. She fell in love with him and it wasn't just about power. She has already proven her love several times and even almost drank poison when she thought that she almost lost Sulaeman's love

@jeanneaubert4193

2 жыл бұрын

Lmaoooo whattt? Hurrem never wanted it! She loved Suleiman more than liife! The Ottoman’s Empire was the strongest with her and after her hundreds years! What are you watching? Ahhaahhaa