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These are so much fun to watch and get me excited for wotlk classic

Thanks! You‘re almost the only one with a very good PvP coverage and explains it in details with reference to the talent points etc.💪🏾 That’s what I’m looking for. 👌🏾👍🏽👍🏽

HUNTER In WotLK Classic: How BROKEN Is It Now?

@remyd8767

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad hunters go back to being just average in Wrath. That was a good one expansion run of dominance in TBC.

I played WoW off and on from 2005-2010, mainly on a hunter. I enjoyed doing MM, BM, and Surv over the course of vanilla, tBC, and WotLK. Although I felt like I lost some RP over the expansions, the QoL and smoothness of play was improved over the two expansions. I had my most comfy PvE experience in Wrath for sure. Good times!

Love the vids! I mained a Hunter and WoTLK era was hands down the most fun I ever had playing the game! It’s when I really got into Raiding and the PVP was excellent. So many epic winter grasp battles, at least until they added cross-faction character creation on the same server and the sabotage began lol. I continued through Cata, but never played as seriously again once MoP released. WoTLK was the peak experience IMO!

@harvestingseason2725

2 жыл бұрын

What spec did u play?

@Logus87

Жыл бұрын

I was playing Survival spec. during WOTLK

Wait? Is the title wrong? I tou it should be " HUNTER In WotLK Classic: How BROKEN Is It Now? " no?

@petercino6972

2 жыл бұрын

it must be a meta comment on the bm nerf

@petercino6972

2 жыл бұрын

Willie the brainiac

@nofoxgiven6561

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was a joke given that peoples perception is “Hunter isn’t meta so it’s bad”

@gabri1206

2 жыл бұрын

Hahahah

@MRCODGeekful

2 жыл бұрын

He changed the titles of the previous How broken is it now to match this title

I plan to re-roll on Fresh for Wrath and BM hunter is the class I've always leveled fastest and consistently had most fun with, so big advantage there when there will be limited time to level. Great for grinding / farming / soloing. Will also level a rogue for a gold making duo.

This video has got me really excited for hunter in wrath. Can't wait to play to survival.

Let me correct a few things. You can't get hit trough deterrence, deterrence specifically gives you the ability to parry attacks from any direction. There are specific select spells that go trough it though. Its the unavoidable attacks such as Cheap Shot, Overpower and Chaos Bolt. Second you don't need to switch the tracking type to get the bonus. You get 5% bonus damage to all the types mentioned as long as you are tracking any of them.

@brandoncastellano1858

2 жыл бұрын

What about Fury of Frostmourne?

@phantom0456

2 жыл бұрын

I’m always deterred from eating from a trough.

@lvsoad22

2 жыл бұрын

The tracking thing is thought to be a bug, kind of too early to tell

@LikeVenom18

2 жыл бұрын

backstabbing attacks (like Backstab or Shred) can hit through deterrence, as well as openers. chaos bolt gets deflected.

@203mmSGT

2 жыл бұрын

@@LikeVenom18 Chaos bolt pierces Deterrence, the only things it doesn't pierce are Divine Shield and Ice block

You dont need to swap between tracking types. As long as you have one of your hunter tracks active you automatically gain 5% damage buff to all types of tracking. Unless im specifically looking for something, i usually keep smth like track giants so it wont clutter my minimap

@TheodorBrb

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a macro when you apply Hunter’s Mark , it also applies the correct tracking

@floreaciprian9742

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheodorBrb you dont need the correct tracking. Thats the whole point. You just need to have 1 of your tracks active and you have yhe dmg buff for all targets

@doncorleone1720

2 жыл бұрын

@@floreaciprian9742 nooooooooooo its a bug

@floreaciprian9742

2 жыл бұрын

@@doncorleone1720 nope. At wrath launch you had to swap em, but during wrath it was patched so you dont have to swap em (either ulduar or toc patch)

@heygek2769

2 жыл бұрын

@@floreaciprian9742 I think you're right, I remember my hunter friend being very happy about that.

Loving these class vids! Hope you do mage next!

Been maining hunter for years and no plans to stop. Wrath ready lets get it.

@Hifcrea

Жыл бұрын

Hunter claps cheeks in wrath

Hunter was my first love and the first character I played when I first started WoW at the start of Classic in 2019. I loved marksmanship a lot and took it all the way through naxx to basically hitting full bis. Then TBC came and the changes to rotation and dependancy on pets ruined that love for me because it felt clunky to play. Seeing how much hunter is gonna change in Wrath, maybe it will be something to play again, albeit as an alt this time. My first character definitely deserves some love!

@NoFutureForG0uda

Жыл бұрын

@@freedmfe8934 mop was nice as well

@NeFjuS

Жыл бұрын

@@NoFutureForG0uda Mana is better tho.

I thought it was supposed to be “how BROKEN is it now?”

@Liaxtube

2 жыл бұрын

My guess is naming consistency or something for the youtube algorithm.

@SuperYtc1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Liaxtube He changed the titles of all the "BROKEN" vids now to this style. I guess he realised this title gets more clicks.

I mained hunter for most of my OG WoW career. I've seen a lot of people saying that hunter is boring and "dull" and I just don't get it. I found hunters to be quite dynamic, kiting is fun and hard core raiding though WOTLK are some of my fondest memories through WoW. Will be fun to see how they do through raids again.

@ryans3795

Жыл бұрын

Personally, I started in Wrath, hunter was my first character and I loved it. Survival was amazing back in Wrath. I looked at it in bc and I was not as excited.

Keep it up! Love the content.

All classes have how broken is it now?, hunter has is it any good now? Love the series watched all of them still waiting for my classes to pop

Survival was great in PvP though. Also, Marksmanship in 3.3.5 was top tier in PvE tbh. Once you get 1k4 Armor Penetration+DW, you're pretty much unstoppable.

@hado33_

2 жыл бұрын

its good in pve too, you melee weave and drop explosive trap to proc lnl

@rundown132

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah once you stack enough armor pen is was border line broken lol

@johnmortslleh2929

2 жыл бұрын

It WAS godtier in PvP, but they changed the explosive shot glyph from chance to stun to increased crit.

@serhii7210

2 жыл бұрын

only in WPvP, not arena.

@SpyZ86

Жыл бұрын

@@hado33_ You cannot melee weave unfortunately. They removed it.

Isn't the titel wrong ? I thought the wotlk series was "how broken is it now"?

Man watching these makes ALL classes seems fun :D I could never choose a main in WoW lol So many alts, someone would say too many ahahaha

The real OG survival and explosive shot.

I think the avoidance changes would habe been worth mentioning (unless sou talked about it in the pvp section, which I skipped). And with that the ability of pets tanking raid bosses. I remember tanking Sindragosa with my pet back in the day

@heygek2769

2 жыл бұрын

How does a pet hold aggro? Especially after the air phase?

@Glatzel132

2 жыл бұрын

@@heygek2769 Good question. As far as I know, the pet taunt is an actual taunt in WotLK, so people wait until the Pet taunted once or twice, but it's been a few years, so I don't know exactly^^

As a hunter you can misdirect mobs to your raid members so going afk near a hunter is super risky. One of the biggest reasons to play hunter right there.

@AccountInactive

2 жыл бұрын

I used to force my gm to ice block so I could beat him in dps 🤣

@brandoncastellano1858

2 жыл бұрын

@@AccountInactive I love this.

@brandoncastellano1858

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of which, one day my GM and I were messing around in Silvermoon just because, and led her to where Lo themar was. “Hey, watch this” I misdirect all three to her and FD in a corner while I watch them one shot her. I lost out on loot for two weeks but I was rolling with laughter. I love misdirect.

@AccountInactive

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandoncastellano1858 worth it!

@knwgt5426

Жыл бұрын

@@AccountInactive *casts blessing of protection on hunter*

you can still clip ur autos by walking, so you might still need an swing-timer

My Class, never change! Survival going to be the bomb!

Hi Willie, hope you are doing well. I just wanted to ask your advice on something. I would like to theory craft some WoTLK builds for Warrior but apart from a talent calculator, I have no means to test the dynamics of the build. I was wondering if it possible to test things in game somehow?

Now this is the video I've been waiting for.

BM sure was hit hard with the nerf bat. Early on in WOTLK it still was the top DPS spec in PVE by a wide margin. I remember topping meters in Naxx in dungeon blues when others were decked out in epics. Then patch 3.0.8 came and ended that short but fun period. I'll never forget the 36 seconds of CC immunity in arena :')

@erde9790

2 жыл бұрын

classic wotlk will use patch 3.3.5. even some people think hunter will go to markmanship from the start

@nikosnenes7138

2 жыл бұрын

its stil pretty good with correct build 2set bonus and devilsaur for naxx patch as 3.3.5 patch I played it a looot in various pservers at competitive level and was doing as much or more dmg than the other hunters even with them being slightely more geared

@dazzlebreak4458

2 жыл бұрын

As a former Shadow Priest, BM Hunter was a nightmare in 2v2 Arena

I always jump around when I'm waiting for anything, like the boat, for the party members to arrive on a dungeon. Now I can do that in style with Disengaged

Deterrence info was wrong. It’s a weird ability so it’s understandable. Deterrence won’t allow any magic or melee attacks to hit you EXCEPT melee attacks from stealth and backstab style abilities. Why? Stealth abilities like cheapshot and ambush aren’t coded to be parried so deterrence actually can’t parry those abilities and they will go through the Deterrence to damage the hunter. Same with out of stealth backstabs and shreds. When dueling a hunter, he can press deterrence and a rogue can vanish/Cheapshot the Deterrence and then all damage can hit the hunter because you can’t parry while stunned.

@Swagatron-qx3hn

2 жыл бұрын

Chaos Bolt & Overpower also go through Deterrence, Chaos Bolt has caught me out so many times on Warmane because it hits like a fucking truck in Wotlk.

Does Marked for Death work on your auto attacks (Auto Shot)?

I remember the hunter has glyphs or something that makes heal on the pet double and every half a second I searched for this and couldn't find it I had a hunter from wotlk days and I knew this but I don't know if it's from a wotlk Expansion or from a later Expansion I do not know if it is not available now, but it was added in later patches

WillE, you are very talented at what you do. Keep it up even if you are a terrible influence on me lol

Been waiting for this

Regarding the improved tracking talent. I was under the assumption you don't need to track the actual mob type to get the bonus. Just as long as you track any of the types specified in the talents it gives a 5 % damage increase. Am I correct or incorrect? :)

@Julietmateus

2 жыл бұрын

Correct.

@doncorleone1720

2 жыл бұрын

No you are inncorrect. You have to track the specific enemy

@durdentyler3292

2 жыл бұрын

Partially correct. The talent only works with the mentioned tracking types,however,from those it is irrelevant which ones you use,all of them gives the damage increase regardless of the actual mob type.

@95goa

2 жыл бұрын

If you're attacking humanoids but you're tracking beasts, you don't get the damage bonus. But then again, its very easy to weave in a macro to change your tracking type to enemy type, that way if you switch from a humanoid to a beast NPC your track changes automatically.

@Bluuuueee

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you lads and ladies for the replies :) I did some research and this is the conclusion that will end this discussion. In patch 3.0.2 the improved tracking talent was added with the formulation: "Increases all damage done to targets that are being tracked 1/2/3/4/5%." This indicates you have to actively track the type you cause damage to in order to get the 5% damage increase. However, in patch 3.0.8 this talent got reworked and the updated formulation stated that: "While tracking Beasts, Demons, Dragonkin, Elementals, Giants, Humanoids and Undead, all ranged damage done to those types is increased by 1/2/3/4/5%." Which indicates you now don't have to change the tracking type in order to get the damage increase. Hope this helps!

They put so much work into Talent Trees back then and Abilitys its insane if you compare it to Today it feels like going to some 1 Cent Shop and before you where eating at 5 Stars Restaurants..

Explosive shot procs were so dam fun.

Great editing

as a gladiator hunter , hell nah man it was such and uphill battle . 3v3 we had difficult time . we did have a 5v5 comp though

I've been playing WoW on and off since just before original BC came out, and hunter was the one class I never really touched. Just recently made one for Wotlk classic and fuck it is so fun. It's got me addicted to the game again

Apect of the Beast's melee AP is interesting, since aspect-switching is off the GCD, it might be good for melee weaving. Edit: melee-weave is dead, ranged and melee weapon now share their swingtimer.

@d3c0y39

2 жыл бұрын

As a hunter main since late vanilla and alot of opporunity to stuff round with specs during tbc especially, it would have been far more interesting during tbc. That with the new disengage would have been insanely more fun to play with during tbc.

Are meta pets still a thing in Wrath? Where if I pick one pet over another I could be losing substantial dps?

I managed to do decently memeing as a BM hunter in certain ICC fights with lots of stuns taken, where BW could be synced to immunize them. Other than that, though, yeah, it was just SV -> ArP MM.

How about Thori'dal, the stars Fury. The legendary hutner bow. can you do a video on that and what it would be like in wrath ? I just got it during prepatch, and well, i'm worried it will be crap in wrath :'(

I forgot how much I loved surv in wrath

I have a Hunter alt purely for farming, (Engi/Mining) and she has made pretty much all of my gold. Sadly I was a little bored with her in alt runs as you just press Steady Shot all day. Might get more involved with the class if it's becoming more interesting in Wrath, which it looks like it will. 👍🏻

@joethompson4811

2 жыл бұрын

Tbf u can play it much differently if u can be bothered. Melee weaving and intense rotations depending on attackspeed procs etc. Makes a boring, relatively low dps rotation into a high skill ceiling enjoyable experience.

@TheBucketSkill

2 жыл бұрын

@@joethompson4811 Indeed. Spamming steady shot mindlessly will do good dps, bm hunter is just that strong in TBC, but you can always decide to do it correctly and get even more dps! Just reiterating ur same point.

survival hunter looks like itll be alot of fun in dungeons

Hey I just sat down with a sandwich gonna give it a watch keep these up

how are you getting such well detailed models for your intro? they look amazing.

Survival instincts isnt new, they just changed the +4% attack power part into +4% crit with specific spells and moved the talent upwards a bit.

@Phunk516

2 жыл бұрын

So it's new

I love hunters and the idea of BM hunters able to tame exotic beasts but would I really be at a disadvantage if I play casually and wanted to be BM?

Pretty sure Arcturis (spirit bear) wasnt put in the game until Cata I stand corrected, wowhead has it at version 3.3

I mained a hunter the first time around and ill be doing it again with a hunter of the same name :)

i watched 25hc bossfights of wotlk and hunters are alot of times in the top 3 in dps, even against legendary weapon warriors, i dont know if you can call that the ''middle of the pack''

did something change? in ICC i was top 3 dps in 90% offf boss fights

In ICC I got (with buff food) 100% Arm pen MM, it was disgusting damage!

I remember when the Great Hunter Nerf of 3.0.2 came. It was a dark day. All the BM Hunters cried out in one voice. We were forced to choose SV or MM if we wanted a spot on our raid teams. I used to follow a prolific BM blogger named BigRedKitty. He was fantastic and always gave great advice. He was THE BM Hunter. And even he ended up going SV. But, through him I learned to trap dance and all the other little tricks involved in Hunter in Wrath. Having said that, my heart will always be BM. I still use Loque'nahak as my primary pet in Retail to this day. It took me two weeks of 2-4 hours a day doing loops around Sholazar Basin to find and tame him. It was an incredible rush and a moment I'll never forget. I'll still level my BM Hunter, but will use him primarily for dungeons and 10 man content probably after it's been nerfed. Great video as always!

@grantbullimore

2 жыл бұрын

I remember BigRedKitty! I also followed him back then. And yep, he also switched. Made such a thing of it lol.

@billlange9408

2 жыл бұрын

@@grantbullimore When I caught Loque, the first thing I did after feeding him was name him Beearekay and took a screenshot to send into BRK. My /salute shot to him ended up in his tribute video, too!

@sirsiver

Жыл бұрын

As a hunter player thank god they nerfed the braindead "i'm afk watching my pet do the job" spec. Sure it's fun but 0 skill, so it shouldn't be as strong as a more mechanic intense spec as long as you get used to it.

I am ready for pre patch.....let's go already sheesh...fresh wrath...I'm waiting.

My only question is this: Is the patch we will be on going to be the one where you can no longer tame the oily wolf or not?

@ashrasmun1

2 жыл бұрын

it's 3.4.0, basically 3.3.5a on new engine, so if something was removed / blocked prior to that patch, it won't be available.

@heygek2769

2 жыл бұрын

They are the same model as the regular Tundra Wolf, the black oily effect is a debuff that disappears when you tame them. If you were at one point able to keep them oily after taming, that was probably a bug with the debuff not disappearing.

Definitely gonna be one of my alts Hunter is always really fun to play

Does the title suggest that hunters are not broken in wotk?

@novat9731

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they are not broken. They are up there, but you will be hard pressed to compete with Rogue, Warrior, Mage and Warlock. Mind you, it's not an auto win. If they play like dogs, you can come out ahead.

@brandonkruse6412

2 жыл бұрын

@@novat9731 Hunter is pretty equivalent to Warrior and Rogue in endgame gear but the skill required to match their dps is far higher.

@CeilingPanda

2 жыл бұрын

Hard to be online these days, any small typo will always be mentioned in comments... :^)

@JT-mt6ku

2 жыл бұрын

*dots you and runs off* Checkmate hunter

@smevox7490

2 жыл бұрын

@@novat9731 mine was broken. Lots of arp = ez

Just rolled a hunter about an hour ago and now I see this video. Hope it's good news!

@mariuscroitoru4983

2 жыл бұрын

It doesen’t matter, play what you like screw these losers making vids on what to play and what not to play.

@theaveragecodpl4yer

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariuscroitoru4983 Wille is not making a video on what to play or not he's making a video highlighting all the changes. If you look real closely you can see that he's doing it for every class.

@mariuscroitoru4983

2 жыл бұрын

@@theaveragecodpl4yer how dense are you? He is influencing players to play or not to play a certain class or spec…

@theaveragecodpl4yer

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariuscroitoru4983 You mad that your class isn't gonna be at the top of the meters anymore? He's just laying the information out there and then you can make your own decisions.

@mariuscroitoru4983

2 жыл бұрын

@@theaveragecodpl4yer not mad you donkey 😂😂 just pointing out the obvious

Hey WillE, I think you took the title from Vanilla Classic (Was It Any Good Though?) instead of WotLK one (How Broken Is It Now?), at least that's what I understand from the video.

where is the footage around 14:40 from?

Did you forget to mention they can tame t-rexes and core hounds finally? I didn't hear you mention it.

Was surprised to not see any mention of dungeon farm/raid specs with incorporation traps. Explosive Trap Glyph (The periodic damage from your Explosive Trap can now be critical strikes) + Volly is absolutely nuts. Will top damage meters.

...this makes me want to come back. Wanna play Hunter or Lock...

The happyness is usseles? I hewr that u still get damage up if ur pet green tho anyone can corect me in this?? Please

Was the title change back to 'was it any good though' intentional?

i really enjoy bm hunter its a chill af spec im a casual bg player i dont like pillar humping arena i just gear out as much as i can from bgs and now winter grasp vault sets.

You can still Clip Autos when your moving, so I would keep a Swingtimer to stutter step

@Davivd2

2 жыл бұрын

Auto shots fire on the move now.

@gordonjackson4040

2 жыл бұрын

@@Davivd2 Wow wiki says otherwise - auto shots were cancelled on the move until 4.0.6, Cataclysm

@finw.2282

2 жыл бұрын

@@gordonjackson4040 is right. They do not fire while moving in wrath

@Pobo_93

2 жыл бұрын

@@Davivd2 They dont, you need to stand still

@JohnRock14

2 жыл бұрын

@@Davivd2 thats cata

Gonna main Hunter, but be Marksman from day one, challenge the SV norm :D

Does pet`s damage come from hunter`s damage? what %?

Before i watch video ima just say this: armor pen stack + MM. I was there and had a hunter amongst other classes

Im new to WoW, tried the free trial in retail and loved the hunter, then tried WotLK hunter and I’m really deterred by the ammo requirement. Is that a valid worry or is ammo extremely available to the point where it doesn’t matter?

@BillBillson69420

Жыл бұрын

Ammo is very available, but not a completely inconsequential mechanic. The best ammo is made by engineers and you have to buy it from other players on the auction house or make it yourself, though it is rarely prohibitively expensive. You can buy cheap ammo from npc vendors that does less damage but is borderline free and it's a good idea to use it for world content and heroic dungeons. Overall it's not that big a deal and if you like hunter it shouldn't be a deal breaker. On some level it makes you invested in every shot of your bow.

I started in wotlk with a Hunter as my main and I never not mained one. Finally the utility it is known for later on starts coming back!

@MrMrTravman

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah same. I always topped the dps meters. Saurfang never dropped the fucking trinket for me, before I had to quit because real life stuff. Hope I get that trinket this time around.

What did you mean by 3:20 "These Pet families can't be rerolled" ? I didn't quite understand that sentence, so I cant change my Pet down the line? Or did you mean I can only have 1 of each type?

@brandondeese8073

Жыл бұрын

Pets are 1 of 3 families, you can't respec them like you can in retail, so a bird is always going to be cunning, a cat will always be ferocity, and a bear will always be tenacity

The title change really got me confused 😂

There is few miss information, shouldnt hunter have glyph of kill shot Oo?

@doncorleone1720

2 жыл бұрын

Noooo the fuck?

I mained hunter back in the days. When they get arp and going mm they are complete wrecking machines

start as MM - move to surv in ulduar, then back to MM once u got enough arp

Hunter main through all of classic shout outs green gang

The one thing i had been really excited to see return for hunter is the pet talent tree i loved this back in the day way more than the point system from vanilla or tbc . I picked up a wolf pet to level for wrath but i didnt know they was the best for raiding until some ppl in lfg channel was talking about it I just remembered the hunter in my raiding group back then had a wolf and he did a lot of damage. The wolfs name was Spike so i named my wolf Spikejr. Also hope i can pick up one of the spirit beasts

Might wanna change the title

I raided in wrath as a surv hunter. Black arrow and explosive shot was fun as hell. If I have the time I will be playing hunter again

@doncorleone1720

2 жыл бұрын

Explosive trap >>>>> black arrow

"The tier 9 2 piece set is a small dps gain". Uh no. It's over 1000 DPS. Method hunters were using it in ICC. When you are crit capped in ICC at 75 percent that's a lot of damage.

Wait, wasn't this the "How broken it is" series? OHHHHHH we are at the hunter, nvm...

honestly all of this stuff about the hunter like buying ammo, and having food are things that i like because i come from tibia playing paladin, but the thing i wish they never had from the beginning is the dead zone, like just let me shoot my arrows still, you telling me i can't hit you with a point blank arrow if i was some glorified archer?

Awesome as always!!

Damn I miss pets having talent trees.

BM 5 man tanking becomes a thing. An absolutely glorious thing.

Any wait for paladin!

what kind of wolf is that on the thumbnail? :)

Ulduar is out, for 2 weeks, Right now in the PS I am playing on. I play MM and am Destroying Surv Hunters. Uld gear had an ass load of Arp on it.

I was never out dpsd in og wrath survival hunter

pretty sure tenacity pets in wotlk for intervene in pvp?

Do paladin next!

I did not choose the way of the Huntard, it chose me.

I just want to play wrathhhhhh!!