When you are able, in any given moment, to find the laughter, to find the love, your life as you have lived it through the filter of your mind, will be over. To know the self is to see the self, to see the self is to understand the self, to understand the self is to learn, to learn is to teach - this is the obligation set by each student as they walk the path to healing.

@dbitely01

Жыл бұрын

@@daotheeternalnamelessbeyon8778 so like exactly why are you watching these videos and engaging in conversations if you're not here to learn and only hate people?

@ElDragoIE

Жыл бұрын

@@daotheeternalnamelessbeyon8778 you are a fool. Now leave!

@hildabeaverhausen3944

Жыл бұрын

What a gas bag.

@buckfozos5554

Жыл бұрын

@@daotheeternalnamelessbeyon8778 The responses you got from your comment are a perfect illustration of what Lex and Robin are talking about. I too thought you were 'trolling' the original comment, it had that vibe briefly until I read the whole thing and thought about it for more than a microsecond. I thought 'Oh, it's all good', then I see the other responses calling it a hateful comment. It's like they're looking for a fight. I appreciate you were giving props, keep it up bro. Rest of y'all grow the hell up.

@jessemcc4868

Жыл бұрын

Hate Love!? Value= Would've been a evolutionary leveling for people ...could have had all that I would have "had as was known to be mine but kept from me!) They could have "that" & much more as I knew all the things about how to get this done in the most effective way and I knowing that of what they each as a 1 person, a self, human...needed, healed, given, & much better for ALL. They threw it all away though....right before the most crucial volition in our most unique worldly method of natured ways! Pop....was da ease ill!

Rule #5: Everyone believes their own Bullshit. Constructive criticism is a tool and/or skill of the past. Human beings need to hear other perceptions of their actions and personality to change their conscience mind. #9 Active listening is a skill that must be improved daily. Human beings basically doesn't listen during confrontation.

I love this guy.. He's always smiling

It’s as if humans have the ability to add and then modify an attachment that self-regulates it’s own actions. The modification takes place in the programming. The program tells the human to feel guilty, shameful, regretful etc… depending on the actions

This guy is exceptional at stating the obvious. This is both a joke and it's not. There are not many people who'd do that, so it's definitely a talent. I do it often too.

Regarding medicine, snake oil has always been, and will always be with us. Producers are encouraged by profit, and consumers are driven by hope and an undeniable belief in magic.

For a guy who's grown bored of all the academic studies detailing human self-deception, I think this is fun.

Greater truth has never been spoken

8:00 he said in another part of the interview that he seeks out areas that no one else has investigated, does not that contradict this statement?

Dr Hanson always provides great food for thought. With a background in economics and statistics. The little work I did with statistics I always applied the caveat that you can make statistics say what you want if you control the parameters inputs. There is always more than one interpretation. We humans need to explore these questions more.

Interesting discussion. Though he has an embedded assumption that people are not driven by spiritual motivations. He would probably say they were trying to fit in and be accepted consciously or unconsciously, but I don’t believe this can be so easily dismissed.

Any man who wears that shirt must have high self-esteem.

@kramer1372

Жыл бұрын

.. ha… or a huge degree of self deception…

@JoSpring

Жыл бұрын

@@kramer1372 🤣🤣🤣

@giri.goyo_yt

Жыл бұрын

I actually lol'd. Thank you.

Fascinating!

"Convincing and impressing Tyler Cohen is not going to help you get laid, trust me, I tried." Just about fell out of my chair! Well said sir.

Maslow was wrong, above all else humans want to belong. We lie to ourselves in part to feel like we matter..are valuable.

The way this guy talks reminds me of gale from breaking bad

@colbydurden

Жыл бұрын

Loool he does omg

Thanks for this discussion. This is is a subject I have been exploring this year. In my mind it one of the most curious parts of the human mind. I also think this is one reason AI technology can't ever achieve the same mentality as humans because we can't program this aspect into them because if we did, then it would lead to ignore parts of the code that deals with safety and morality. I'm excited to read Hanson's book and see what else he has to say about the subject. Speaking for myself, I love to delve into various subjects. When I see an interesting video like this one, I post a comment like this one in the hopes of a back in forth discussion or perhaps hoping someone will point out a fallacy in a logical way. I do not however, like attention from strangers, care about what the norm thinks of my comments, or care if feedback occurs. I just want to bounce ideas off other people. If my social circle cared to discuss any of these topics, then I wouldn't be watching these videos. The lie I have been telling myself is that KZread is the correct forum for this. It was in the past but no longer. It is still a great tool for learning, entertainment, and making mental connections. When I see an interesting video like this one and can't help but comment despite the data that it is not achieving the back and forth discussion I was hoping for. It is still cathartic for me though. These tiny details of behavior are hard to decipher in people when the tendency is to assume all people want the same things or have the same motivations. I loved the part where Hanson mentions the needing wider sets data because while the first initial basic patterns of behavior usually prove to be correct until we have the data to prove it we are lying to ourselves by assuming our first evaluation was correct. I think it is important to keep an open mind so we avoid lying to ourselves about other people. I think when it comes to other people we tell ourselves more lies than we tell about ourselves because the uncertainty is much higher. The more self-aware someone is, not just overall but also in the present moment, the harder it becomes to lie to oneself.

@ladykatnip7698

Жыл бұрын

@@daotheeternalnamelessbeyon8778 Awareness is a concept not a self. The truth comes before self. The self comes before knowledge and awareness. To answer your question would require having awareness of awareness. Also understanding of the difference between self and ego. Awareness by my definition implies acknowledgment followed by understanding. To understand your question would require dividing the definition of awareness. Knowledge is our understanding of the truth. The truth entails all of what is, what is not, and the combination of them both. Just as understanding is not the same thing as believing. To understand something is to know the difference between what is and what is not. To use the term fooled would imply the self has been led by ego to believe the knowledge it has is the whole truth before knowing the actual truth. So awareness can help you to not fool yourself. So long as you understand that the sum of all your knowledge is limited by your understanding of the truth because we are human and not all-knowing. To assume otherwise would be the “ego” talking. The self knows this to be true. No matter how enlightened or intelligent someone is, our awareness is limited to and inseparable from the self because everything outside our own awareness is belief until proven true. This is why we call it self-awareness and why people begin to have mental health issues when they can not separate what is from what isn’t. Lying is not the same thing as being fooled. Being fooled is like being blind to the truth. Lying requires enough knowledge of the truth and the intent to ignore it in favor for what you want it to be. When you have a high self-awareness you are open to all possibilities and therefore lying seems fruitless and self-destructive. No one is perfect, we can not rid ourselves of emerging thoughts. We can however choose what we think is best given our current level of awareness. At least this is my opinion on the subject.

Couldn't agree more! Well said 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

@TheQC92

Жыл бұрын

What 🤣

One day i thought and said inside my head.. I’m tired of having posture every time someone is staring at me(symbolic).. I need to be comfortable enough in order to make progress. Like the guy that goes to the gym with a sweater.. he’s ripped but never shows off his muscles because that was never the goal.

Here's a self deception; you are not an intellectual, you are a human who has studied hard to be perceived as an intellectual

@miguellopez9611

Жыл бұрын

Cope.

@clawabidingcitizen

Жыл бұрын

Me: "Why does the intellectual study?" Fool: "So people will think they're smart." Me:

Jonathan Haidt said this exact same thing in _The Righteous Mind_. Press secretary metaphor. I hope he cited him…

Hanson..great mind.

Is it selfish to say, I need my secrets? I will save face, and retain my version of dignity! Imo

This is the way we interpret the world so that we can make sense of our decisions and reality. This is well known since Kant's time. Therefore, we could agree, the is no objective truth only subjective interpretations of reality. Kant for example used to say there is an absolute and objective reality.

How many neurons are you using to simulate your neurons?

If I did not speak English, my machinery would tell me that the and bolts took a leap of faith to compose me. My intuitions tell me art is a form of unformalized science. I cannot experience consciousness from the perspective of a cell or a group of cells, although I know I am a collection of trillions of them. I also know the cells can survive on their own.

@SailorDoggo

Жыл бұрын

Proof read before you publish your comments.

AI "conciousness" is may look similar to human consciousness, but with these clear and clever examples it also seems pretty clear that AI will, behind the mask, be very different in the working thought processes. I have hopes, but in the end I understand that it will be what it will be. Fingers crossed.

@josephstclair5937

Жыл бұрын

Indistinguishable. You. And It. To Me.

@gingerbill128

Жыл бұрын

@@josephstclair5937 in science fiction or some far away future we are unlikely to even get too . GAI is more marketing than reality as we stand.

@josephstclair5937

Жыл бұрын

@@gingerbill128 That is a completely arbitrary definition of what consciousness is.

eye opening

What if you know your self worth, does that make you arrogant?

Functioning narcissism too

Interesting - as we in society figure if the mass people believe it or make it the norm to believe, it must be true.

I really don't care what others think, i get judged harshly and negatively by default on my appearance alone so after their preconceived notions are formed nothing i can do will make myself 'look good'. My mind doesn't work like anyone i've ever heard of, i have no clue what people think and have zero idea what goes on in their minds. Ever since i was about 4 years old i've been asking why everyone says one thing but does the other, basically the standard hypocrisy. I've never gotten an answer, only emotional responses that led to anger towards me for asking why everything is a lie. None of it made any logical sense and it still doesn't other than humans are just liars by default. By age 4 i was coding in at least two languages, knew my way around unix servers, was doing math and science at a college level. School failed me, by the end of kindergarten i was completely over stupid and evil humans. In first grade i tested out to a 16+ college level. After that nothing happened, they sent me back to class to rot my brain for 12 years. People in general are horrible, cruel oblivious and utterly dumb, aside from a very rare few and i spend zero time in my life thinking about norms. If you don't like it that's your dysfunctional lying brain's problem, not mine. I'm not obligated to please you by pretending to be like you. I'd be more self embarrassed by faking myself to fit in with these ridiculous arbitrary 'norms'. But yeah, this is so far away from how i think and feel that it's no wonder humans feel so cold and alien to me, they're essentially 'not real' if it's how it's described. Most of them are so creepy in their conformation to norms they just seem dead inside, or hollow, either way, nothing there but the same dead dumb deterministic algorithm like animatronics.

@benbaron1216

4 ай бұрын

If you’re autistic like that, I imagine the world can seem to be a cold and uncomfortable place

So the rest of our being is a mechanism for keeping us alive and procreating and our "mind" is a press secretary meant to help us fit in with the group which also helps to keep us alive and procreating. But given this position how do we trust ANY scientific research or scientific assertion? If we discard persuit of the truth/knowledge as the leading motivation for science, then saying for example "medicine is helpful" or "medicine is not helpful" is equally meaningless.

@kimjin-hyub3413

Жыл бұрын

You should read his book .

Typo in the title

How are you doing boss?

Anyone interested in cryonics as Robin Hanson is, is obviously devoid of any understanding that life is not merely physical. Because he thinks that life is just physical is why he is looking to preserve himself for the future in physical terms. The point is that life is not physical and our continuing consciousness existence beyond physical death is consequently rendering cryonics superfluous!

We hit people on purpose to let the group know that your the leader... and its your flock

Lex you are and will be a Legend.

What about MINDING YOUR GODDAMNED BUSINESS as a cultural norm. What about "don't use psychology as a weapon". Academicians justifying their crimes should be a crime

Read "Evolutionary Psychology 6th edition" by David M. Buss, and you'll get a much better grasp of yourself and other people's behavior compared to discussions that circle around "consciousness" for ages without any meaningful insight.

Every clip causes an existential crisis and/or epiphany and I’m addicted to it.

*humans’ lies to themselves Forgot the possessive apostrophe

Love it when non psychologists give large blanket claims about the nature of the mind with little to no humility

can you cut off please I am very shy when I go outside all PPL cheated my team.

You're normally a good interviewer. Please try to talk less and allow the guest to go through their thought process, in this one we missed a lot of that because you wanted to say what you understand

humans lie to themselves :P typo brother Lex

@chriskiesling9387

Жыл бұрын

I thought this too but I think it can be correct... it's the lies humans tell to themselves. It is a noun, not a verb.

So I'm listening not seeing with my eyes and I'm hearing him belittle people who lack intelligence and need for over explaining, i.e. as press secretary and you asked a simple question and he speaks for a good few minutes that could be answered quickly. I guess we're not top 2% 😂

If you born looking like bob newheart you are successful already without trying what a dilemma

@desertweasel6965

Жыл бұрын

Damn he does look like Bob. I knew i thought he looks familiar

Humans care, a psychopath mind doesn't spiritually. So that's the difference.

@frankcastle2876

Жыл бұрын

Humans care that other humans care, the psychopath just accepts the self deception as truth.

@ggstylz

Жыл бұрын

@@daotheeternalnamelessbeyon8778 Can we ever know?

I don't lie to myself, accept my negative traits and I realize there isn't "a dictator (ego) inside my head manipulating me." I know for a fact where the actual manipulation comes from and it isn't psychological. I personally find this type of psychological discussion of no value.

Is it just me or does this guy sound like John Lithgow?

Lex helped me being a better human

Hello fellow intellectuals

Belter of a clip

I disagree with what the guest is saying.

You are a Smart person if You know what “Yourself” is!? Is it the Subconscious, Conscious, the hypothetical Unconscious!? Or The apparent Conscious Observer? “You” Are not Conscious at all for 99% + of the apparent Awake Time. And when you think you are Conscious it is only being aware of the Past. We as humans are never aware of the Present and we only respond to what happens in the Past! When You comprehend that....Then Maybe you are getting smarter?

I don't believe the devil pulled the greatest trick, the devil was the greatest trick and we were the tricksters. We created the idea of the devil to put off responsibility. To deal with the duality inherent in our religion and which led to many problems in our psyche. The lies we have continued to flourish have led to our fractured society. The "high priest" have known for years the creation of different religions are for the cohesion of the society they are trying to build

Racial norms but he won’t address that because he benefits from it.

I don’t lie to myself I’m not, fat ugly and poor……🥺🥺🥺

I think the his part on medicine is sketchy. No different from bret Weinstein . Need to substantiate more . Did he do it in whole video??

While interesting I get a lot of 'Bret Weinstein and the over explaining of the simple without any connective tissue with any relevant answer' vibes

Something about this gentleman just rubs me the wrong way. I can't put my finger on why exactly, I just don't like him.

This guy was the annoying kid in school that was desperate for attention and always inserted himself in conversations with words like “actually” , ”technically…

Hey Lex - Robin over generalizes the information he is laying out in conversation. He(Robin) seems socially inept and he should burn that shirt he is wearing to start!

hes implying that everone is caring about the norms, trust me i punched people that really deserved it and I didnt explain, they knew themselves.