This is the third major conveyor system we have in use on HS2, to keep construction traffic off roads around our sites. Let us know what you’d like to see in future videos about our work to keep lorries off local roads.

@gerardburton1081

Жыл бұрын

Great conveyor scheme and project.

@harrythompson6977

Жыл бұрын

you guys are doing more than keeping lorries off the road show us some of that too

@stevep1011

Жыл бұрын

Why not have a conveyor to load the rail trucks? Surely the diggers are the weakest link. Not to mention the fuel they use, bet they don’t run on HVO. Diesel.

@davidsheffied

Жыл бұрын

Why not just dig a big hole and bury the spoil nearby?

@davidIT7

Жыл бұрын

We are going to have hundreds of gravel and concrete lorries pass next to our village every day there has been no consultation or consideration given to our health and wellbeing at all. No alternative schemes, when I raised conveyors at the one public meeting I was told it was not possible hmmm!

Why not just build a conveyor belt all the way to Birmingham and let people ride on that?!

@davidty2006

Жыл бұрын

i mean conveyor belt is an interesting mode of transport.

@whatyousaidbud

Жыл бұрын

The cost of the licensing for moving that much contaminated waste for make it financially unviable.

@davidsheffied

Жыл бұрын

@@davidty2006 you could have a few in a row - each row moving increasingly fast. Then passengers can step from one to the next. This would allow passengers to board and alight when they want. An alternative would be the conveyor like Pink Floyd’s Another Brick in the Wall video.

@marktucker208

Жыл бұрын

Theyd charge you fucking £200 to ride it i bet

@stephengirling7859

Жыл бұрын

What? With my bad back! Ooh, those rollers would hurt!

Alright confess. Which one of the planners played Factorio!

@rogerthomas368

Жыл бұрын

If they had the belts would have been painted yellow, red or blue :).

@cunijoeme

Жыл бұрын

CONFESS or face, THE COMFY CHAIR!

@tomkandy

Жыл бұрын

Let's at least hope that the trains aren't powered by nuclear fuel

I can't wait until I won't be able to afford to ride on it, it'll be fantastic.

@kevinwake8789

Жыл бұрын

As a taxpayer, you'll be paying to ride on it twice, WHEN it finally gets finished. It's costing over £71 billon of the taxpayers' pot.

@Demun1649

Жыл бұрын

I was a serious supporter of the whole HS2 project, but then the Tories established a new company called HS2 Ltd to build it. The work should have been carried out by expert rail network constructors. Network Rail are the obvious choice. And now the Tories have imposed on the HS2 routes cheap crap rolling stock built by Hitachi. 10 years out of date right now and they are not running yet. Britain is finished, it is a third rate nation, incapable of doing the right thing for the public. A brand new high speed train network, NOT JUST TO BIRMINGHAM for the brain dead, and the Tories won't buy safe trains for the routes.

@colinsmith1288

Жыл бұрын

@@Demun1649 Not a nat are you! Running the uk down.

@Demun1649

Жыл бұрын

​@@colinsmith1288 What is a "nat"? I am not running your "uk" down. I can't, your "uk" doesn't exist. I am opposed to HS2 now as they are going to have crap Hitachi rolling stock forced on them by the Tories who have taken back-handers from the Japanese. The Hitachi trains are, AT THE MOMENT OF BUILDING, are at least 14 years short of the latest technical and safety measures. There are many better companies, here and throughout Europe, who make better trains and more up to date. For example, the TGV and the AGV are both fitted with the Jacobs Bogie, (you know all about that of course), that will completely prevent the trains falling over if they de-rail, prevent a concertina effect happening, and prevent the train going on to its roof.

@colinsmith1288

Жыл бұрын

@@Demun1649 Your claim is very misleading. Hitachi and Alstom are a Japanese and French companies both which specialise in high speed travel in Japan and France. Nothing corrupt about this decision nor dangerous either. They have been chosen because of a low carbon print being electric yet highly energy efficient. Yes green credentials have to be considered. Nothing outdated by the technology other than the germas have been squeezed out of the deal. The technology they will employ will be updated and given the high safety standards in both other countries in regard to railways they will do good for this island. As for the uk,yes it does exist as a legal and functioning entity,whether you like it or not. Just another troll attempting to run down the continued innovation and engineering skills of the UK. The hs2 is happening whether it works long term l cannot say,but the need is there. Over population,high volumes of traffic means this high speed link may well cut pollution and traffic chaos. Notice the word may.. as know one really knows until it is up and running.

Are we paying for HS2 with all the adds

Amazing. Would be great to learn more detail technically on the design and construction, though appeciate you've got to get on building the railway! Fantastic work. Beautiful bridge. Thanks for uploading this video.

Also please show how the railway wagons are unloaded at the disposal points?

@MikeDn91

Жыл бұрын

Wizards

Just wondering what will happen if the belts fail and the whole part of that section needs replacing? Is their a plan to work around this while it gets fixed or is all work stopped?

@davidcurry4433

Жыл бұрын

Don't worry, money is no object they'll have plenty of resources and bits laying around to replace/repair in know time.

@mickeyjay8516

Жыл бұрын

It’s only really an issue if the framing for the belt itself fails. The ones I work with now haven’t had issues in 30 years. If the belt itself tears it can be repaired in ways that aren’t intrusive. Or can be replaced by splicing the new belt onto the old and pulling it through the system.

Excellent result Team px Fairport. Well done and Congr

Peaking at the background - we can see the progress at both Victoria Crossover Box and Old Oak Common. Can we have more updates on this epic construction project please?!

White Elephant!

This is a good idea as an alternative to clogging up roads with lorries. Good stuff HS2 workers!

I wonder what the cost comparison would have been to load the material directly onto the train from the conveyer belt vs the cost of the equipment rental and diesel to load the train with excavators.

@Someone-wh8hi

Жыл бұрын

I guess that way the conveyor can run 24/7. The stockpile acts like a buffer.

@thisnicklldo

Жыл бұрын

But then, nobody on the project much cares about the cost, do they? It's not their money, and there's always plenty more available. Always pick the solution that pays the most consultants, that's the way to build a railway (that will only be affordable for the same consultants to travel on, so win-win really).

@colinbrooks228

Жыл бұрын

@@thisnicklldo complete tosh this will be the most optimum way to remove the spoil using existing rail heads for disposal

@thisnicklldo

Жыл бұрын

@@colinbrooks228 Right, well tell me the cost of the conveyor system. My guess, £300m. You don't get anything for less than £100m on HS2, that's just small change and not worth while even getting on the gravy train. If it's so economical, why isn't all tunnel spoil removed this way? £100bn is going somewhere, this is the sort of place it's going.

@GeorgeBot7

Жыл бұрын

@@thisnicklldo Firstly, part of the reason HS2 is so expensive is because it's being done in such a way to minimise environmental damage. At every stage they're taking decisions to spend a bit more to emit and damage less. The conveyor might be more expensive than a fleet of trucks, but it won't be much different, and (per the video) it takes 70 trucks a day off the road for 4-5 years. That's significant. The construction industry is the source of massive amounts of emissions so I'm happy to see some money spent to minimise emissions and reduce congestion. Secondly, you can't get cross about something being expensive that in your own words is "small change". That's very silly. Thirdly, I can tell you know a grand total of nil about how public sector procurement works so maybe calm down, put the kettle on and try not to get so worked up about it.

This is just what we need, another railway to Birmingham

@tlangdon12

Жыл бұрын

London and Birmingham are our two largest cities, and there is currently no high-speed railway between them. The existing railways between London and Birmingham are at capacity because they can't run trains along them as fast as modern train will run.

@edmundblackaddercoc8522

Жыл бұрын

Not just any old railway, one that's costing billions.

@CRIMSONANT1

Жыл бұрын

@@tlangdon12 HS2 Ltd state that to "break even" with a subsidy of 50/60%, they'd need to have almost 600,000 passengers travelling between London & Birmingham on a DAILY basis. Given that passenger numbers on this route have been declining by 4% per year for the past decade & the average number is now 96,000, perhaps you'd care to explain where the extra 504,000 are going to materialise from?

What’s over running the cost of this project? Is it the continuous tea breaks or early finishes on a Friday?

A lorry is what you use when you run out of trucks, I guess. :P

Hs2 is not about movement of passengers to the north ,, it’s about freeing up the east and west coast main lines for more freight

The muck from some part of HS2 that goes to Tinsley yard gets loaded back into lorries and goes back into landfill at an ex colliery, why can’t it be screeded then used for something.

This will end up being over budget by another £100b. We need a faster train between Hull, Leeds, Manchester and Liverpool. Oh I forgot, governments don't invest in the north.

@JC-un4bg

Жыл бұрын

You don’t . Look at all the flooding hs2 has caused. You guys would probably end up with the same

@wellanyway8254

Жыл бұрын

When all the work has been done in London, that's when the 'waste of money' chorus increases and the North will get the dregs.

Interesting. Why don't you use a conveyer belt to load the train?

amazon should use this, have one to every town

"Material handling team"... Steve in his digger.

Amazing 👌

Oh lord, don’t let @letsgameitout Josh anywhere near this

Hopefully there will be a passenger or two, when trains start running,

@davidty2006

Жыл бұрын

First day of a new service is garunteed to fill trains. It's the weeks and months after it starts going down to a stable ish level.

@ArtStoneUS

Жыл бұрын

Assuming they're still is a country at that point and energy to run things

Using a digger to transfer material on to the trains? Not very efficient?

What happens to the steel/belts once the project is completed?

@davidty2006

Жыл бұрын

Proberbly dismantled to be used elsewhere.

@davidsheffied

Жыл бұрын

They must put it on another, but ever so slightly smaller, conveyor belt

@WindyJAMiller

Жыл бұрын

ebay

@bikerchrisukk

Жыл бұрын

Melted down and re-used may be? Or they do what I do with scrap and leave it on the driveway

@danielrose1392

Жыл бұрын

At 1:13 you can see that it's all bolted construction. It could all be disassembled and reused, either for a new large scale construction project, or the system ends up in an open pit mine which use similar belt systems.

Would it not be easier for the conveyor belt to load directly onto the train ?

@2036scott

Жыл бұрын

Don't be silly, why would you use a hopper and save on the cost of running them big diggers? Also they need to show why they are way over budget some how.

Why do you drop material *next to* the train carriages, just to pick it up again with excavators and put it into carriages?

Hornby should do a model of this

This video needs a "spoiler alert" 😂. The work is at an epic scale.

How is this a better solution then rail? The point of doing this is very unclear.

They need 2 front end loaders and a twin hopper onto a stacker to speed up that train loadout

could have saved a lot of double handling by building the conveyer over the train line. Then directly dump the soil onto the bogies.

I cannot see why the spoil is dumped into an area to be loaded onto the rail later, at 7 trains is more than enough to cope with 3-7000 tons per day and load it into cars straight from the conveyer. soil can be dumped into storage in-between trains, thus reducing man-hours loading with an excavator. but a very interesting project.

All very well in the capital but in the Midlands you are using the roads and the environment is a livi g Hell so thanks for that.

What is a "spoil conveyor?

Muck away wagons off our roads can only be a good thing

@gerardburton1081

Жыл бұрын

Fewer accidents and less pollution. What's not to like about this.

Ok you use conveyors to move the material 2.2Km to the load point but then use excavators to load it into trains instead of using conveyors. Forgive me if that just doesn't make any sense at all. Even of you want the ability to stock pile wouldn't it make more sense to load with a conveyor and only stockpile between trains?

Let people ride the belts in the next London Open House weekend. They can bring their own cushions.

So what is being done with the spoil when it reaches the END of the conveyor ? ls it being loaded into trucks or trains !! Should have been the option !

Would be great if concrete can also be transported this way

@RubenKelevra

Жыл бұрын

I mean it could, but this only makes sense if you can exactly measure how much concrete you need - and you need several 1000 tones at the same time. Makes more sense to transport the ingredients and mix it on side

Fascinating - but is the 'rubbish' music background really necessary???

POOR IMPLEMENTATION, YOU HAVE 2X HITACHI 490`S using ditching/ grading buckets to load the trains, these buckets have "roughly" half the bulk carrying capacity of a digging bucket, ok, i understand the material being loaded is on a concrete base and they don`t want to damage the base by using a toothed bucket, but you can use a "digging bucket" with no teeth which will protect the concrete, they should also have another excavator pushing material towards the 490`s ,thereby keeping LARGE piles of material within easy reach and also making sure each bucket of material being loaded is a FULL bucket...............simples.

@peepiepo

Жыл бұрын

Or even better why not a conveyor system to load the wagons?

Look at all those managers in very clean hi viz proves they don't get hands mucky.

Clever, but certainly some risks to manage.

Awesome

Totally amazing process. Clean and quick. When the material arrives for transfering to rail why not have large hoppers that can load wagons directly underneath thus removing the need to manually load with excavators!

@tlangdon12

Жыл бұрын

It is almost certainly to do with storage. The conveyors run continuously, but the trains don't, so material needs to be stored until there is a train to take it away.

@geoffreycodnett6570

Жыл бұрын

Sorting, listen to the worker.

@danielrose1392

Жыл бұрын

Besides storage a second reason is inspection and sorting. On such an open yard they can check if the material is clean or contains contamination like crushed concrete. Then they can sort and choose the dump site accordingly.

Yes because the south east/London has been absolutely starved of investment over the last 40 years or so.

This video should have a spoiler alert

Unfortunate they did not design the conveyer belts to dump the material directly into the train cars...

Could they not have built a railway line to take the stuff away in wagons!?

@fishevans6417

Жыл бұрын

nope,they are starting the tunnel not just at eitehr ends but in the mid points, building an overgound railway to remove the spoil would mean demolsing homes and businesses and a lot more expense then is needed for a tempoary thing.

So that’s going to be one of the causes of the 20 year delay.

Needs maps.

Great technology, shame it’s for a totally pointless railway

Is there a reason why the soil is not stored in a way that it can simply be dumped into the rail wagons? Seems rather odd that you have this ingenious conveyor system and then a couple of digger operators laboriously loading the wagons one scoop at a time

@thebigmacd

Жыл бұрын

You see this all the time at steel mills etc. Drives me nuts, so much movement waste.

So this is the trunk part of the white elephant?

1000t of steel? Seems a little low

Well if you have a look how coal is loaded onto rail hoppers then you wouldn't need excavators to load rail hoppers.

the train line no one wants or needs is one question... but i have leaking roofs in my classrooms, windows that do not shut, asbestos everywhere, doors that keep no one out and no heat in, floors that are uneven, lights that do not work... notice how i have not said anything here about pay and equipment in the classroom?!?!? SPEND the money where its needed!

What a waste of money and land.

and tickets from £90 to travel 25 miles once its done!

What's inside the material? Is there any hazardous or toxic compounds added during the excavation / boaring processes? Please list the compounds added if any.

@tlangdon12

Жыл бұрын

It's just earth that has been dug from far below the heavily contaminated topsoil.

@johnsullivan6709

Жыл бұрын

Dirt

make the island of England bigger. it keeps washing into the sea, getting smaller every day.

You are not taking 70 trucks off the road a day, you are not putting 70 trucks a day on the road.

The residents who live near old oak common constant pounding of the diggers/ machinery enough to drive you mad 😡 old oak common is a gigantic site absolutely massive in size similar size to Heathrow airport

Stop this madness now!!!

That’s top grade recycles soil full of nutrients.

All the big jobs are in London while the rest of the UK have put up with substandard infrastructure

I'm shocked by the arrogance of all the comments questioning why the trains are loaded with diggers. There's any number of factors that could have influenced it being built this way - cost, flexibility, scheduling etc. Do these commenters - who have neither the experience or full knowledge of the task - really think that they're smarter than all the professional engineers who built this?

@krashd

Жыл бұрын

You forget that KZread is a meeting place for experts, everyone on here knows how to do things better.

@TrevorWilliams-fq8mg

3 ай бұрын

Having spent a working lifetime in the construction industry managing design and putting bids together for major construction projects, I can confirm there is a common failing of human nature from people who can maybe do a bit of DIY or have had a house extension where they think they know all about the construction industry when in fact they know nothing at all.

It's called soil

All that time money and effort to take just 70 lorries a day off the road , really !

It's a shame it's being done, the anticipated cost of £200,000,000,000 could been spent on solar panels for all, or doing anything that helps the average UK Jo or Jo'ess.

1,000 tonnes of steel, creating 1.85 tonnes of CO2 per tonne of steel produced.

@davidty2006

Жыл бұрын

on the plus side conveyors are more efficient than trucks.

@edmundblackaddercoc8522

Жыл бұрын

But, global warming and all that.

@geoffreycodnett6570

Жыл бұрын

@@edmundblackaddercoc8522 Re used or recycled unlike the fuel burned by 70 lorries every day.

@gingafinga

Жыл бұрын

@@davidty2006 Conveyors to replace the trucks, to build HS2, which is not needed. Sounds a bit like a Black Friday bargain. There's no such thing as a bargain if it's not needed. The best possible outcome here is a more efficient form of waste. People wonder why the railways are in such a mess today. HS2 is sucking critically needed resources from our failing rail network.

All this money should have been used elsewhere on Britain’s creaking rail infrastructure. In 1975 Stafford to Euston 1hr 39 minutes. Now 2hrs 5minutes. Spending billions simply to return to 1975 speeds (serving far fewer stations in the process) is madness. Give us energy security by building hundreds of Rolls Royce’s SMR (small modular nuclear reactors)

As a retired professional engineer I have found out HS2 is about 7 times more expensive than the average cost in Europe and 10 times more expensive than China on per km basis. Looking at this video my reaction would be UK has not much experience from HSR construction so everything is brand new from design to manufacture. May be if the contract was won by a European or Chinese consortium they may be able to cut down the cost say by using equipment from previous projects. Also with previous experience they might be able to arrange the conveyor belts directly onto the train hoppers without double handling, stack on site now and then using mechanical equipment to transfer spoil into train hoppers later, in most of the time. The HS2 is excavated by Tunnel Boring Machine (TMB) which German and China have their own patent proprietary designs/patents making these countries more experienced and cost effective in carrying out such work.

@fishevans6417

Жыл бұрын

I think your doing us a bit of a dis service there, I mean its not as if we didnt build the london underground, or just recently the Elizerbeth Line, or the Chunnel 30 or so years back. we are not strangers to this hell we have been digging railway tunnels for longer then most if not all places, True we dont have that much experiance with HS rail but a tunnel is pretty much a tunnel after accounting for the variance of geology. The cost is somewhat high, though I think compareing us to China, and chinas standards on worker safety, not to mention the average labour costs is seriously unfair. Do those valuies represent an average for length or include the fact that a hell of a lot of the HS2 track in underground by the way?

@bobp6742

Жыл бұрын

The Chinese wouldn't be able to pay European workers in bowls of rice a day tho.

@gunsumwong3948

Жыл бұрын

@@fishevans6417 Luckily I did include the average cost of the European as a bench mark cost.

@gunsumwong3948

Жыл бұрын

@@bobp6742 European system has social benefits to allow people survive without a day job. Don't think the Chinese could survive without working. However it doesn't stop companies like VW and BMW making 1/3 of the annual profit from China. So I suppose some Europeans do get well rewarded by the Chinese.

@bobp6742

Жыл бұрын

@@gunsumwong3948 According to Google the Chinese government does pay unemployment benefits at £182.69 a month. No idea if it's true or just propaganda or how easy it is to claim.

Oh bully, a train track 🥱 another waste of money when you local train to take you 5 miles down the road, on the plus side,at least the bosses will be reaping the financial rewards, and never pick up shovel 🤬

@hairyairey

Жыл бұрын

Another one who hasn't read the full business case

@marksinthehouse1968

Жыл бұрын

Don’t anyone say railway line anymore ,oh hum ,

@deanrogers8381

Жыл бұрын

@Bercilak de hautdesert , not true though is it, considering that the majority of people who did work from home are now back in the office.

And by the time it’s finished the cost of a train ticket will be astronomical- absolute waste of tax payers money while destroying the countryside

High speed full fibre broadband, at a much lower cost renders this completely unnecessary, and will be Billions over budget, let's cut our losses and scrap it now!

@cholloway0046

Жыл бұрын

What a great concept. With that logic we can also close the entire road network.

@michaelicornelius

Жыл бұрын

@@cholloway0046 No you choose to misunderstand. HS2 is London centric and if ever completed following phases will allow passage to London from the Midlands, the North and Scotland of people attending meeting or events in London, enabling them to reach London ion shorter times. Why are they going to London and why is the time saving considered important? Most of this traffic is commerce for meetings purposes, but as we have seen in the past two years video conferencing takes away the need for all participants to be in the same place. Shorter journeys is a mute idea, if one is going to London for a meeting and then travel back, the saving of an hour or two is on no real gain, the whole day is given to attending. Thus this takes the employee away from the work place for the whole day rather then for a few hours of video conferencing, significant loss of productivity. Regarding your facile 'close the road network' since the HS2 will only access a few stations increased road travel will be necessary to access it.

@cholloway0046

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelicornelius HS2 is starting between London and Birmingham because that's where the largest bottleneck is. The idea that video conferencing is going to kill demand is also flawed, given that rail journeys are back up to 100% pre-pandemic levels (ignoring strikes). Successful railways should not rely on commuters and it is incorrect to assume that HS2 will function in the same way as our current services. I point to HS1 and Eurostar as an example.

@geoffreycodnett6570

Жыл бұрын

Go on holiday by Broadband Airways. Goods delivered by Broadband Freight. Star Trek answer to build a cheaper set but unfortunately we haven't invented anything able to beam us to Italy or France yet.

@michaelicornelius

Жыл бұрын

@@geoffreycodnett6570 France and Italy are much larger countries than the UK!

well if the spoil went up atthe end of the belt..it could just drop into the train and save all that loading machinery

white elephant

Magic - is this all done by the taxpayer to benefit a for-profit Cayman Islands rail operator perhaps? Just asking questions.

@fredbloggs8816

Жыл бұрын

Answer: Likely will be taxpayer paid for then sold off for a song to the private sector, (just as HS1 was) and Tax then would be optional for the purchasers. Do you think Government needs to start governing for the country not for vested interests? I do.

@edmundblackaddercoc8522

Жыл бұрын

@@fredbloggs8816 This, saw it with all other utilities, build it from our money then flog it off in a few years on the cheap.

We are making road travel safer by not using the roads……wtf, are ur drivers that bad…

How much did that cost the tax payers

HS2 a waste of £166 billion for 20 minutes! HS2 have demolished small businesses across the route - especially London; have demolished houses / homes, some homes are now worth less than before; have dessimated Ancient forests; ruined ALL the land on ALL the route, again all for 20 minutes. This money should have been spent on upgrading the North East & West & South West train lines. Now NOTHING is being spent on "levelling up".

HS2. Another white elephant. Will end up years late, massively over budget, and if it does indeed ever open, will remain largely unused as the fare is likely to be exorbitant as the concessionaire attempts to recover their foolish investment. I say it again: It will fail.

@chungasrevenge4306

Жыл бұрын

It's all about London, no benefit to the rest of the UK.

@parameshnat

Жыл бұрын

No country *ever* regrets building high speed rail infrastructure between critical population centres. Its a no brainer to get expensive to own and maintain cars off the road

@tlangdon12

Жыл бұрын

@@chungasrevenge4306 A railway always connects two points.

@chungasrevenge4306

Жыл бұрын

@@tlangdon12 l doubt that Londoners are chomping at the bit to travel to the north of England and get there a few minutes earlier. Let's wait and see.

@peepiepo

Жыл бұрын

Upgrading our victorian rail network is not a white elephant

Or How to waste a £150,000,000,000 on a bloody waste of money train set. For me to catch it to London I would have to drive 1.5 hours to Manchester to save me 20 minute journey time. DOH

HS2 the complete way to waste money

The North again is not benefitting. However you can have the rubbish. No surprise once again...

Do we really need this money money money 🤑 what a waist

Seems kind of stupid to transport these to the rail yard so efficiently only to use diggers to load rail cars.

@ArtStoneUS

Жыл бұрын

Never forget that major infrastructure projects employ people who are going to vote for the people who pay them

HS2 is a pointless waste of £100bn. There is already a perfectly good railway. Let's build some roads instead. The Dartford Crossing was less than £300m, such good value. Look at the daily congestion at the Blackwall Tunnel, let's fix that instead, much cheaper and genuinely useful.

Biggest waste of money going, HS2 is just so the rich pricks of this Country can get where they want to go half an hour quicker & the majority of passengers won't be able to afford it.

Seems like an absolutely colossal waste of time and money to me. What would have been more environmentally beneficial is to have never started the project in the first place. And we don’t need more jobs we need less people.

Another video documenting what an absolute waste of money and terrible environmental decision this project is.

Modern British engineering: 80% complete. Cancelled.

Lol. Just closedown HS2 Who really wants it at this cost. yeah no one. Its like a propaganda video. Look how good and efficient we are, NO ONE WANTS THIS!!!!!!

I honestly don't know WHY we need HS2. It's ONLY going to save 25-35 minutes on a journey IF THE TRAIN CAN GO AT FULL SPEED. It's a complete WASTE OF £71+ BILLION of taxpayers' money. The amount of countryside being ripped up is unreal also. it's taking nearly 3 years to negotiate the relocation of farmers and homeowners and their relocation compensation. If they just upgraded the current tracks through the nights, I reckon HS2 would have been NEARLY COMPLETED, NOT JUST STARTING, with tracks getting laid.

Transport for the wealthy. Economic discrimination at work. What is the most efficient in this small country. Longer , slower trains carrying more passengers at a standard class, or short fast expensive trains for the wealthy to travel in comfort arriving a few minutes earlier than the alternative.

All hs2 will do is make the cites houses that are not London to expensive for the people that live and work in those cities