I lived in and around London for 30 years. These videos are so important to me to see how it's all changing. I'll miss the Thistle! Anyway, thank you for your hard work on this, and all your other videos. I, like many others I'm sure, rarely comment but take it from us quieter ones that they are much appreciated.

The sheer vastness of this is mind-boggling.

It's almost three years since this piece was filmed. Will there be an update this November?

Thank you for doing this video. I will keep watching the updates. I’ve been to Euston/ Euston Square recently. You seem to have answered all the questions that have crossed my mind. I will look harder next time that I go.

Really interesting, it's quite a mammoth project! I remember staying in that ibis hotel a number of times when I visited London as a kid!

Great video - shame they couldn't incorporate the old tube station into the new design. Almost time for that November visit to see how things are progressing...

I really like these kind of videos! Thanks Geoff 👍🏻

Best thing they could do with the old station facade would be to reinstate the facade of Camden Town tube station. Geoff, do you know someone to suggest that to?

London to Birmingham is phase one of HS2. Yes it does shave of 30 mins but when phase two comes in it will have an overall advantage over any current journey to Manchester and Leeds from London and ultimately Europe. With the Eurostar just down the road the connection will be better than Paris has to it's national rail network. It's all to do with investing in the country's infrastructure, something Spain has done a lot. Madrid has plans to connect all cities by high speed services so none are more than a few hours from the capital or each other. Still, read the Daily Heil and turn pink all you want but some of us have jobs to do that aren't in the same village.

@SteveInskip

3 жыл бұрын

And France is connecting Paris on the high speed TGV to Barcelona via Bordeaux and Toulouse. The national rail service from Paris is pretty good. TGV to Montpellier in under 4 hours.

@CRIMSONANT1

3 жыл бұрын

Stephen Saunders .. the biggest White Elephant this country has EVER experienced .. it will NEVER come to fruition despite the billions that have already been spent - mark my words.

@SteveInskip

3 жыл бұрын

James Monks construction work starts tomorrow!

@CRIMSONANT1

3 жыл бұрын

@@SteveInskip .. it's irrelevant when the work STARTS .. I can guarantee it'll never FINISH because of spiralling costs & environmental damage .. the whole project will be cancelled LONG before the expected completion date.

@SteveInskip

3 жыл бұрын

James Monks I should have a bet on that if I was that confident. You might get good odds.

Great video as usual and great to meet you in Park Lane a few weeks ago!

I've only used Euston a handful of times but each time I've had a suitcase and then used the tube so I'm glad of the new entrance to Euston East!

4:34 So Geoff is going to Euston station this coming week?

I've been meaning to go there for months and take photos of the area as I used to work nearby. Definitely going this Sunday.

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

Cool: Put your pics up on Flickr. :-)

Updating this for November 2019 - as promised at the end of this video??

@2themoon863

3 жыл бұрын

And now add in November/December 2020 as well?

Geoff, tell me they let you lob a toilet out the window. "Drop zone" sounds like so much fun! Bonus points if you nail a pigeon.

Love your content. Can you do a video explaining what the whole plans are? And is the old tube building being demolished?

As pointed out below by others, it’s been three and a half years since any updates on what’s going on at Euston station and surrounding areas; would you be doing one sometime in 2022?

They're going to demolish the tube station, which is a horrid thing and they are demolishing the Ibis. That was my favourite hotel!! Always stayed there when I was in London, was pretty pissed off when I found out.

Good news that Euston underground station will get its own entrance, so that you don't need to access the NR station first, hadn't realised that was being built. Sad to see the Bree Louise all boarded up though.

But where's the Kaboom? I was expecting an earth-shattering Kaboom!

I'm pretty interested in how they're going to fit the over site development in around the Hampstead Heath sight lines.

2:19 The Bree Louise RIP

@OldUKAds

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that hurt seeing that! The only authentic pub in the area. Oh you can walk a few metres and have a soul destroying Refinery visit. YAY! Hurrah for mediocrity.

@jordansclancy

4 жыл бұрын

I am best mates with the owners' son, and my family know them very well. Many happy memories in that place 😥

@lawrencelewis8105

4 жыл бұрын

@@jordansclancy I was there on the last day they were open a few years ago. That was a fine pub!

@TheOiyou

4 жыл бұрын

@@OldUKAds The other decent pubs are the Euston Tap in the listed blockhouses outside Euston and the Exmouth Arms. There's also the Resting Hare round the corner. I'd recommend the Euston Tap (the original one over the East Lodge) which, TBH, I always preferred to the Bree Louise once the Tap had opened.

I'm pleased to see that Euston can finally shrug off the 1960's brutalist architecture. It's such a depressing place. The access link to the Circle line is also welcomed, dodging traffic and getting soaked is no fun. As a fan of the railways, I personally think that HS2 is a great idea. More updates on the Euston project would be welcomed.

I was wondered what happened to IBIS hotel near Euston station. I wanted to book a room there but it was disappeared.

That taxi rank under Euston station is one of the most toxic, polluted, grim places I've ever been to in my life. And I've lived in Wales.

I remember passing through Euston station in the '60's when they did the last rebuild !

And when HS2 is scrapped?

Cant wait for 2019 video!!!

I think the main Advantage of new build lines in britain is they use the Standard european Clearance gauge that means on this lines they can use Standard Highspeed trains by Stadler Siemens or Alstom, at the Moment every company has to develope a new product for the british Market. Every country uses Standard Stadler Flirt trains with some adjustmens only britain needs different trains for the Great Eastern Mainline.

Great! I reckon the project will run on budget and finish ahead of schedule. There will be high speed trains, no more power failures, signal failures, points failures or broken down trains etc. The trains and the infrastructure will be weather proof, no more delays due to heat or snow. I have complete faith in the project. Above all, there will no ticket lottery or over pricing because the fares will be the lowest in Europe. Can't wait.

Geoff it’s almost time for you to go and visit Euston again! It’s the end of October 2019

I would be really interesting if we could see some of the work as seen from Friends House (the Quaker building opposite Euston Station), it could put a different perspective on the work. The offices of Britain Yearly Meeting are the third floor so you could get a good view.

There's a near identical tent and archeological dig on the Curzon Street site at the Birmingham end of the line too.

Fast forward to July 2021. Is there any other videos following up on this activity?

I used to do the Euston commute everyday - depressing journey through that station, so glad there's some work taking place in the area. Is there a plan to do anything with the existing station? I know there have been grand plans at various points in time, but did any of them come to fruition?

@MikeWillSee

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the HS2 plans rebuild the whole station rather than just bolting a bit onto the side

An ideal time to rebuild the doric arch perhaps, as the stones are still in existence somewhere.

@hairyairey

5 жыл бұрын

Most of them were dumped in a canal I believe. Several others missing.

@goodwood-rc4nx

5 жыл бұрын

they were dumped in a hole in the lee valley canel and found when dregring to deepenit for the olmypics as far as remember most have been found and are stored somewhere hopefuly someone at HS2 will see sence and put it back

@lfewell2161

5 жыл бұрын

@@goodwood-rc4nx There was also quite a lot stored in the demolition contractors garden !

@OldUKAds

5 жыл бұрын

Oh dear god. While not rebuild cholera while we're at it.

@dukenukem5768

5 жыл бұрын

This has been discussed and investigated many times. Most of the stones have been broken up and used as rubble for infill all over the place. A few were kept as garden ornaments.

Rest in Peace Leslie Green tube station.

Is the former Tube entrance now ventilation shaft still accessible or has the street been closed to pedrestrians already...?

@norbitonflyer5625

5 жыл бұрын

Closed north of Drummond Street when I was there, may be further south now.

A tunnel to connect Eus Square and Euston -----> WOWEEEE! About 100 yrs late. After HS3 - 12, Marylebone Stn will need to be demolished to make way for new platforms 102 thru 139.

is a year since this video hopefully geoff does what he said about doing yearly update is coming soon

why demolish the old euston road station i would take it down brick by brick and rebuild it somewhere else

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

Why not get your wallet out and make HS2 an offer?

@ijulesy

5 жыл бұрын

let's just demolish big ben while we're at it to install some new toilets.

@scottpeacock5492

5 жыл бұрын

@@ijulesy Demolished Big Ben?? That an iconic listed building, London be dead without the clock and also I beleive it going digital soon.

@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819

5 жыл бұрын

Cameron Bell Big Ben is a bell on not a building. You are referring to the clock tower of the Palace of Westminster, which was recently named the Elizabeth Tower.

@stephensaines7100

5 жыл бұрын

@@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819 I believe he was being sarcastic...

Geoff, you'll have grey hair before this is finished!

I did like staying at the Thistle, remember being just outside on the concrete ramp nearby watching the last total solar eclipse!

I think annually would be too long maybe every 6 months! Glad to see it go to be honest its nasty, has few redeeming qualities, the temp changes by network rail have made it even darker and im delighted to see the Grant thornton buildings come fdown those towers are hugly ugly - no one will miss them!

@alexhardiman8582

5 жыл бұрын

much like the old British Rail extension at the front of King's Cross did

@hairyairey

5 жыл бұрын

@@alexhardiman8582 which apparently was temporary. 50 years or so I wouldn't call temporary!

@ahqhue

5 жыл бұрын

Euston, the Penn Station of London. Though it's still slightly airier than rats (commuters) running around in tubes under an arena. Still disappointing getting off a Caledonian Sleeper and waking up to this.

@alexhardiman8582

5 жыл бұрын

@@ahqhue So many of the main Terminal stations are being developed to cater for such a huge increase in passenger numbers over the last 10 years or so. Waterloo, Kings Cross, St. Pancras, Euston all far too small or were using the space badly. Euston always feels huge when you go down onto the platforms, but the station concourse itself is like a shoe box.

@hairyairey

5 жыл бұрын

@@ahqhue it is beyond a doubt the worst London Terminal. Even tiny Marylebone has character. It is definitely an opportunity missed not to rebuild the station. Close it for a month like they did with Waterloo.

Hey Geoff congrats on making the evening standard today with the tube world cup. I think?

Does anyone know where exactly those 40,000 exhumations are going to reburied?

@OldUKAds

5 жыл бұрын

in your back garden.

Used to work in that hotel. I really wanted to attend the demolition day! 😂

A tunnel connecting Euston Sqaure to Euston? Hussah!

What about restoring the Arch?

What's the estimated date of completion of all this (to the point where HS2 is up and running)?

@agent_605

5 жыл бұрын

70humdinger 2026 Phase 1, 2033 Phase 2

@prp3231

4 жыл бұрын

You will be pleasantly surprised. The project will run ahead of schedule, it will run under budget and will deliver a cheaper alternative to using cars , high speed service and the most reliable service in the world. I guarantee it.

@prp3231

4 жыл бұрын

The future looks good.

I'm very happy about this. I live in the Midlands and I really hope this either brings big business back into Birmingham or makes commuting to London easier. I can afford a flat in Birmingham but the London prices are mind-boggling. Without HS2, I'd have to carry on paying ridiculously over the odds for Virgin's crappy 1hr 22min commute twice daily or bite the bullet and get a ridiculously big mortgage for a tiny flat. HS2 really helps solve that problem.

@johnclark7065

3 жыл бұрын

Birmingham is a boring shithole nothing special about the segregated city with no character or charm or sense of community.

@peterwilliamallen1063

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnclark7065 Oh we meet again you boring delinquent, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH BIRMINHAM MATE, Birmingham is a modern vibrant City full of charm and visitor attractions and is a diverse City in Culture, Sorry mate you have no proof of what you state as you don't even live in Brum, you just have a very small brain. 🤣👌✌😂 admit it you don't know anything about Birmingham so what is your problem

I'm surprised that there was so much wood and bricks in the structure of a concrete Brutalist hotel building.

Shame they can't keep that old station building. I'm quite fond of it.

@marinaorgan589

Жыл бұрын

it better be taken down brick by brick rather than a wrecking ball. That is a valuable irreplaceable shell that could be rebuilt somewhere else.

Sad to see that old corner building is going.It would look great turned into a restaurant or cafe."Cafe Euston".

Is there any point to HS2? You can already get to Birmingham from London by train. They seem to be destroying a lot of history to do it.

@sophiepoyser4731

5 жыл бұрын

@Thegamer2000 How much quicker is it? From what I've heard it isn't much.

@sihollett

5 жыл бұрын

@@sophiepoyser4731 32 minutes (81 minutes now to 49 minutes) for Birmingham (it's just shy of an hour for Manchester with phase 2b: 126 minutes to 68 minutes), but it's the capacity boost that's most important. Birmingham gets a minimum of another 1500 passengers/hour able to travel to London - which will mostly provide the knock on effect of more capacity for people of intermediate destinations like Coventry, Rugby, Milton Keynes and Watford to travel to London or Birmingham (and likewise for other cities).

@havaska

5 жыл бұрын

I think it's more about adding capacity rather than making train journeys faster. And if you're going to build a new train line, you might as well build a high speed one.

@peterclark8408

5 жыл бұрын

Not forgetting of course that trains also operate to Birmingham from Marylebone where no doubt there is room for extra capacity. Not everyone wants to travel from Euston.

@sihollett

5 жыл бұрын

@@peterclark8408 There's room on the Chiltern Mainline? that's a big surprise. They are going to build a spur to OOC to boost the middle distance services as there's no space at Marylebone for expansion. The inner stations have the worst service in Greater London as there's not the paths for trains to there stop more often. About all you can do is make the trains less comfortable, in order to squeeze more in and perhaps add another carriage to them. 15-20% and you still don't really deal with Birmingham-London traffic getting in the way of more regional traffic to the two cities.

Sorry to be pedantic, but how are we meant to know which way is West on the map at the start when we don't have a way of knowing which was is north?

@dukenukem5768

5 жыл бұрын

@0:28 when he refers to "West" (and which I think you are referring to), the map is conventionally oriented with North at the top. It would only need to be indicated if it were anything otherwise. The plan @0:24 does not have North to the top, but it is an architect's plan, not a map.

@michaelhope8899

5 жыл бұрын

@@dukenukem5768 Then I stand corrected and withdraw my comment above :)

Will Euston Railway station be temporary closed for HS2 works?

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

If you mean "closed for X months/years for HS2 construction work" then no. If you mean "will there be some weekend/Xmas/etc. closures" then yes. Indeed there already have been as they rejigged some of the existing track in preparation, though often this was done in concert with closures for other (non-HS2) works. The basic plan is to build 6 new HS2 lines "offline" alongside (to the west) of the existing station negating the need for large numbers of closures, open the new HS2 platforms and transfer service to them, then close 5 of the existing western Euston platforms, clear them away and build another 5 HS2 platforms. It's unsure yet what will happen to the rest of the station (as it's not HS2's remit to redevelop the rest of the station) but the Mayor, Network Rail, et al are developing plans and lobbying for the money.

@prp3231

4 жыл бұрын

But remember, a small sacrifice for a better tomorrow.

@prp3231

4 жыл бұрын

The money is being spent wisely for your benefit, all the profits will be reinvested in the railways for a golden tomorrow. Wait and see. You won't be disappointed.

I understand that they will not redo the Main bldg. of Euston Station. Is that True.?

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

If by "they" you mean HS2, then no they won't. HS2 do not have the remit or the money to rebuild Euston beyond what is required to avail HS2. To rebuild the rest of the station (and any other redevelopment that might be considered worthy) the Mayor, Camden, Network Rail et al have to put a plan together and lobby for the funding (which I believe some or all of them are doing.)

Any chance of he arch being reconstructed?

@dukenukem5768

5 жыл бұрын

No

@MikeWillSee

3 жыл бұрын

There have been some proposals, but it's not part of the current plans

I was there yesterday. Just visiting London.

Ah, the Bree Louise. That was a great pub.

Because this is going to be a new platform at Euston station for HS2

Why not do Euston again when HS2 is completed and new platforms being built. And a new underground subway walkway linking Euston main line station with Euston Square underground station.

London tears too many things down. It's a shame. For instance 1:22 : Why did they tear down the building on the right?

Funny how HS2 had a huge thing about it not being built but low and behold what’s happened now?

@3:58 those are really big buildings to be demolishing!

This is the continual march for progress, let’s hope they will build a better Euston station than the one we’ve got with nicer architectural design.

So, no update in 2 years ?

Shame about the Leslie Green tube station. I realize there are a bunch of other ones but I think those are some of the most attractive buildings in London.

@OldUKAds

5 жыл бұрын

It is, but let's be frank it's been an abandoned building with some red tiles on. It's not a tube station, and hasn't been for ages.

@dukenukem5768

5 жыл бұрын

I think those blood-red stations are hideous. There are plenty more of them as they were a standard design. This one is a neglected and decrepit example. Just save its tiles for any repairs needed on the others.

why oh why did they not link hs2 up with hs1 .. been saying that for years .. that was the original plan ..

@sihollett

5 жыл бұрын

Because serving those journeys with a high quality pedestrian link between Euston and St Pancras can be done for a fraction of the cost. And with the benefit of also improving stuff for some of the 95% of HS2 passengers who wouldn't travel through London on HS1 (eg connecting better with Thameslink), rather than penalising some of them by stealing an HS2 path from places like Stafford and Stoke and still not give central Birmingham, Liverpool, York, Newcastle, Preston or Scotland direct through services to Kent and France (where there would also be select destinations). Many of the 5% would find it better to make the change in London than use the through trains - take a frequent service to London from a wide number of Northern/Midlands destinations, change there for a full range of Kentish/Continental destinations also running frequently vs, if your city isn't one of the lucky ones, having to change onto an infrequent direct service at somewhere like Crewe or OOC, and then again at Stratford International or Lille if that end isn't one of the select destinations. Greengauge's model for a link had about a third of the passenger numbers walking Stratford-Stratford International (but assumed that the similar Euston-St Pancras distance was too far) despite the change available at Old Oak Common (they had people travelling from Canary Wharf via Stratford to HS2, rather than just taking the direct service to OOC), and a different rough third of traffic being Kent-OOC traffic that then went to destinations in the SE like Reading, Heathrow or Milton Keynes - they were clutching at straws trying to justify it. Or do you mean a death-trap Euston Cross? a vast cavern down deep that would still struggle to be large enough for the number of people boarding/alighting - not just in terms of crowd management, but also in terms of dwell times as most of a 500+ capacity intercity train disembarks and fills up again within the 5 minutes that a 6-platform layout would allow.

@hairyairey

5 жыл бұрын

There is still the possibility of doing this at Old Oak Common so you can go direct from Birmingham to Paris. There just doesn't seem to be the demand for it though.

@dgattenb

5 жыл бұрын

@@hairyairey with the Brexit farce and xenophobia, I don't think the two lines will ever be connected. Shame , a lost opportunity

@hairyairey

5 жыл бұрын

@@dgattenb you mean with the media cashing in on Brexit hype? There's plenty of companies setting up in business here, possibly because here they won't have to pay EU tariffs.

@walker1054

5 жыл бұрын

@@hairyairey oh boy

I have weird mixed feelings about this. I think we have to invest in our infrastructure, but seeing how it is scarring the local area which I know so well makes it feel harder. But then... this is what every major infrastructure is like. No one mourns all that was lost when Euston was originally built as we love our train station and connections. We really are always building for the future, in many ways.

@prp3231

4 жыл бұрын

Not just a future, a better future for all. I can see sunny days coming, hope you can too.

I’m in no hurry to get to Birmingham . It seems a lot of work and a Lot of Buildings have to go , just for this . I think it’s a Piss take take demolish the Old tube station. Why can’t they incorporate it somehow ?

@agent_605

5 жыл бұрын

nasty nick It’s on top of where the platforms are meant to be. It’s more to do with capacity, so you can actually make it on the train, not just get there faster

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

The site of this old tube station (closed in 1907) and all the other buildings in that locale are essentially about to become a big hole in the ground into which HS2 platforms and service basement are going to be constructed. It's simply impractical to try and "build round it." They could maybe save to street level facades and relocate them, but no one is stepping up to buy it (yet.) There's plenty of other examples of the same architecture in London (both abandoned and still in use.)

@cyclemartin4073

5 жыл бұрын

Dave Cardboard I just think it’s a Shame that’s all

will crossrail2 be ready in time?

@onlinefriend3889

5 жыл бұрын

Construction for it hasn't begun, but it might be in the future. If HS2 opens, Crossrail 2 opens. Crossrail 1 is for the same reason: to serve HS1.

@hairyairey

5 жыл бұрын

@@onlinefriend3889 is crossrail 2 actually necessary though? If you restore the line between Bedford and Sandy then services from the North can terminate at Clapham Junction. Reducing cross-london journeys is surely a better use of resources.

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think Crossrail2 is even off the drawing board yet, certainly it hasn't secured funding. London haters will be positively apoplectic at the circa 35Bn price for Crossrail2 being spent "only in London."

@hairyairey

5 жыл бұрын

@@davecardboard9567 £15 billion for Crossrail. But at least it serves a useful purpose. Crossrail2 is the bypass for the congested Victoria line which was the bypass for the congested Piccadilly line. Maybe we should look instead to making our existing lines 4 track?

@onlinefriend3889

5 жыл бұрын

@@hairyairey Or you could convert the Northern City line to tube tunnel and connect them to the Northern (Bank branch) line from north of Old Street or Moorgate. That way, there'll be better connection from ECML passengers at Finsbury Park. That's one of my several solution instead of Crossrail 2

Such a shame it won't be saved. No grade status?

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

Even if it did, the HS2 Phase 1 Act of Parliament would have dis-applied it's listed status, as elsewhere on the route.

@norbitonflyer5625

5 жыл бұрын

Grade status isn't set in stone - it only means you need to get more people to agree before you can alter it (demolition being an extreme form of alteration)

I stayed at the Thistle hotel

isnt moving burial plots tecnically disturbing the remains??

@OldUKAds

5 жыл бұрын

Technically, yes. Your point?

@harryjmcandrew7926

5 жыл бұрын

@@OldUKAds and what do you mean by ''your point ''

@charleswoodrow

4 жыл бұрын

Harry Jmcandrew Yes, just like the Titanic.

Saving the exterior of that tube station for somewhere else would be done in Toronto.

@agent_605

5 жыл бұрын

Geoffrey Lee They’re recovering the tile work for use on other tube stations in the same style (of which there are many), there isn’t exactly anywhere else it can go

@dukenukem5768

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty exactly the same station exists in many other places. It was a standard design. Used at Edgware Rd, Oxford Circus, Green Park, Lambeth North, E&C, Holloway Rd, Caledonian Rd, York Rd, Russel Sq, Aldwych, Kentish Town ... the list goes on, about twenty more. Try "Leslie Green" in Wikipedia. Thye are all ugly anyway.

I don't see why ST. Pancras was not used for this line north? Requiring only a short twin tunnels to meet the HS2 line near Euston. This would have allowed straight running to the north for trains coming in from Europe. Platform capacity should be adequate, especially if every second train was diverting north. So now, if you're from the north, you have to get off at St. Pancras, and tube or taxi or walk to Euston, the far side of Euston. Not properly thought out.

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

The original scheme had a single tunnel between St Pancras (roughly end of HS1) to Old Oak Common. They "deleted" it from the scheme because they reckoned there was not enough passenger demand for trains to/from Europe to/from north of London, it saved them a bit of money and appeased a load of Camden residents. It also means trainsets from Europe do not need to be compatible with the signalling system planned for HS2 (or vice versa.)

@29brendus

5 жыл бұрын

@@davecardboard9567 If the new line HS2 is all 'new' then surely it would be compatible with HS1 and therefore all signalling [which is in cab], would be the same. Enginering consistency, trainsets and signalling, should be compatible as used on all HS networks in Europe. Population of Greater London say 12M, but combined up north population is much more. Otherwise it seems a shame not to have straight through running. Many thanks for your information.

The cost of HS2 became too high when we lost the Bree Louise.

@DeeEfSea

5 жыл бұрын

Not had a better pie in London than that place.

@DerrenWeekes

5 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. Great pub booze and great pies, sadly now gone :-(

@affectionatepunch

5 жыл бұрын

Only decent pub in that area 😢

it took 15 years to actually start building?

@agent_605

5 жыл бұрын

HS2 got royal assent only 2 years ago

@prp3231

4 жыл бұрын

Sure but when the project starts to role, you will see how efficiently it works out i.e. under budget, ahead of planned opening, world class signalling and high speed trains that won't keep breaking down and will get a power supply that won't keep breaking down either. In short, you can expect a cheap alternative to using cars, better than Japanese, Chinese or German reliability and above all, the trains won't be affected by heat or snow. I'm excited, you should be too 🙌

Its strange that the construction is much slower than the original railway back in 1838, even with latest technologies

Nothing is sacred not even the dead

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

They never have been. UK history is replete with incidences of old burial ground being moved (or simply ignored and just built over.). For a recent example look no further that Crossrail at Liverpool Street. Part of St James Gardens was previously moved when Euston was expanded in the past. This also isn't peculiar to rail scheme - roads, houses, schools, hospitals, shops, you name it, have impacted on old burial grounds.

@martinwooder4174

5 жыл бұрын

Yes that’s true.

Just checked and the Bhelpuri restaurants we've been going to for over 25 years are still there (we both used to work in Euston Tower). I also stayed at that hotel with my future wife. I prefer Ravi's but my wife likes Chutney's. chutneyseuston.uk/ The pub on the corner that has now gone was dreadful. It's staff seemed to have a point system as to how many people it could get drunk by 12:00. Please keep us updated on progress!

4:16 iiiiittss time for tubenews

3:27 San-tander instead of San-tan-dare ?

@OldUKAds

5 жыл бұрын

Cool story bro.Also he pronounced it right, the region is called San-tender. I think it's been weirdly anglicised with the dare.

@benamp00

5 жыл бұрын

@@OldUKAds look it up on forvo, every speaker says it the other way.

Will the old euston being taken out

@lojabzmus

9 ай бұрын

Look like c

The TREES want you to know that they have no suicidal thoughts or ideologies of burning them selves down. They wish you to know they are happy and intend to live a long and healthy live helping humanity breath clean air and making homes for wildlife and birds.

I Think the class 800 "*IEP*" Is going To be on the HS2

@norbitonflyer5625

5 жыл бұрын

Not very likely - new bespoke trains are planned, whose design is not constrained by having to run on 19th century infrastructure.

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

In fairness, current plans for the first tranche of rolling stock are that it is all going to be "Conventional Compatible" so that it can run off HS2 at Lichfield onto the existing lines an onward to destinations further north.

Bastards closed the Bree Louise...

What trains are going to run this route?

@norbitonflyer5625

5 жыл бұрын

No contracts have been placed yet, but the plan is to have at total of about sixty trains, of two types - a "captive" type built to the full HS2 loading gauge to run between London and the Birmingham branch, and a "classic compatible" type to allow operation on to Manchester etc. (compare the original class 373 Eurostars which had to be capable of operating on the legacy network, and the later class 374s which are confined, in the UK, to HS1). The latter may also have tilt. Who knows what new technology will be available in eight years' time? - eight years ago the latest things were class 378 and 380, both obsolete designs now. (Overground now has 710s on order, Scotrail has its 385s)

@agent_605

5 жыл бұрын

Norbiton Flyer Although after Phase 2 is completed Manchester and Leeds services will use the captive type trains

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

Unless it has changed recently, I read that all the phase 1 rolling stock is going to be "Conventional Compatible" - there won't be any dedicated GC gauge "HS2 only" stock. The latter isn't being entertained until phase 2 (and then probably phase 2B.) One wonders whether someone in future will come up the idea of having a "single type" fleet and give up on HS2 dedicated stock if the budgets are looking tight. I guess there's a good few years yet for that to all play out.

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

I thought "they" had decided (at this stage) not to bother with any tilting stock as it isn't necessary on the HS lines and the extra mass and reduced cabin space to accommodate tilt would (respectively) increase the operating costs and decrease the seating capacity. I recall a debate where someone then complained that as a result, when HS2 CC stock ran onto the existing WCML, there would be places where it would be running at slower speeds that the existing Pendelino's!

@agent_605

5 жыл бұрын

Dave Cardboard I don’t imagine it would be many places as the Pendolinos rarely get up to 125mph anyway and mostly operate at

Please do the 2019 video🙏🙏🙏

to me its less the viability to build but more the viability to Run HS2, its faster to hop on a plane from London to Glasgow than going by Rail and cheaper to boot, if this "Northern powerhouse" plan falls through will there be sufficient people to use such a service and what of ticketing price? As it stands AFK to STP is £33.40 via HS1 vs £24.70 to CHX from AFK both at off Peak Return prices which is about 26% more expensive to go Via High Speed but its a difference of getting into London in 38 mins Vs 80 mins which is 110% faster... This is viable as you pay an extra £9 to get there in less than half the time but what if this formulae was applied to the much longer route of HS2? its worth it for us in Kent as it more than halves the duration of the trip but 30 mins off a 4 1/2 - 5 hour trip? and at what i can see as a likely beyond reasonable hike in cost for the priviledge? i just don't see the viability in the long run unless there is a huge shakeup of the fare system in the UK

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

It's the wrong way to think about HS2 as some "alternate" (but faster option) to the WCML availing choice as to whether to "pay a premium" to travel HS2 versus "normal" fares on WCML. Once HS2 opens, WMCL long distance intercity services essentially transfer to HS2, WCML intercity ceases to exist, so there won't be an alternate unless you want to take an all stations stopper (as now.) For really long distances such as London to Scotland, air will still be faster (and cheaper thanks to the lack of tax on aircraft fuel) so rail cannot compete. But there are plans being hatched to further improve time to/from Scotland. It seems to be that 3 hours is some kind of magic number which represents the tipping point that makes rail more convenient that air (though "3 hours" does sound like a rather convenient plucked out of the air magic number.) We await developments, but I believe the Scottish Government are lobbying for it. For shorter journeys such as Birmingham-London, Birmingham-Leeds, Birmingham-Manchester, air doesn't stand a chance of competing on time, maybe on price, but for door-to-door journey times, car is king for such distances (if we discretely ignore parking issues.) Of course, at time of posting, there's plenty of time for changes of Government and/or fares policy to happen before HS2 trains start running in revenue service.

What there needs to be are decent rail lines along the South coast. As it is if you want to go from Kent to Dorset you have to go up to London and then back down - it's ridiculous. HS2 is just stupidly ambitious. It requires far too much demolition, construction and alteration.

@agent_605

5 жыл бұрын

Thomas Sturges-Allard Compared to the disruption without it, it’s nothing

@hairyairey

5 жыл бұрын

Even worse by road along the South Coast.

@BronyumHexofloride

5 жыл бұрын

i completely agree, if i want to go from Ashford (Kent) to Brighton or Portsmouth i have to wast soo much time going North to London just to come back down south again at an angle.. if they upgraded the lines between Ashford and Eastbourne and started using proper Trains and not these bumpy *and frankly useless at peak time* 2 car DMUs we could improve the south East - West connection allowing access to Kent from Hampshire Via Sussex without going via London's overcrowded network.. all by upgrading a short section of track

@AGBDaly

5 жыл бұрын

the west coast mainline and euston station are absurdly inadequate for the amount of people that constantly use it. it’s such trash when you compare it to the rail services to other parts of the uk

So excited for HS2! Great to see the country doing something ambitious. Glad also that Euston is getting a big makeover, that whole area is a sink hole for architecture and placemaking

Thank god Geoff is back! I was almost going to unsubscribe from Londonist before this vid!

23 people who disliked were staying in the thistle hotel.

Don’t sure why I’m here or so interested. But I am.

*SCRAP IT!*

Are you going to be covering the times they plough through irreplaceable woodland?

@agent_605

5 жыл бұрын

desposyy A tiny proportion of woodland, most of which will be replanted

@davecardboard9567

5 жыл бұрын

According to Woodland Trust own figures, there's 552,000Ha of Ancient Woodland in the UK. How much is (regrettably) being lost to HS2..? It's not even 1/100th of one percent. Compare that to the amount that would be lost to more motorways.

Rather than just look sheepish, the guy should have offered an apology to pulling down the Leslie Green tube building.