As far as I know, Lionsteel responded to criticism some time ago that the hardening was too soft and has significantly improved its hardening. For example, I own a Myto Special Edition in K390 and Molletta states that the hardness is 64 hrc. It's just that there are still a lot of older Lionsteel knives in circulation and the hardening is rather lower, but the hardening should be significantly better in newer versions or models.

@ryanguldbrandsen7672

Ай бұрын

Molletta personally heat treated those K390 knives. It's a very limited production. Like 15 in each color.

I was very doubtful, I do have the titanium version and love it, even more now 👊

Good to know, always liked Lionsteel. That KME looks awesome.

He's putting the cat at the end of the video to trick us into finishing it.

@nathannettik455

Ай бұрын

No, I think he had a falling out with Brickey!

@jayr526

Ай бұрын

I have to think it's an improvement over putting the cart before the horse.

@Greg_Chock

18 күн бұрын

And it works!

Can't wait to see a quick video on that new KME system. Looks great.

@samsonedges

Ай бұрын

Spoiler, its great!

I've watched a video (not one of yours) about a test on various knives with a hard steel (I don't remember if it was 3v but anyway a hard steel) and what irritated me was that when they discovered an italian made knife with soft steel they harshly criticized it but when they discovered the same thing about a knife made in the USA by a well known brand their take was "it's impossible they made a mistake they did it on purpose to make easier to sharpen it mantaining the other benefits of the steel". some people are biased.

@charlessalmond7076

29 күн бұрын

All people are biased. Anyone that says they aren't, is lying.

@littlemouse7066

29 күн бұрын

@@charlessalmond7076 this is only your opinion not a fact. maybe you never met someone who is....let's say clever?

@charlessalmond7076

29 күн бұрын

@@littlemouse7066 Clever? You mean good at lying.

Pete take care of that shoulder but it's great to see a rope cut test again !

Good review. I'm sitting here cleaning up a 3D print with my Victorinox swiss army, while you are on here reviewing a magnacut knife, and I ask myself, who is the real winner here, you with your fancy knife, and your thousands of subs and.....where was I going with this?

Just want to say how much I appreciate you using the old final fantasy deep cuts

@brandonwilson896

19 күн бұрын

dude i mention this is just about every video and im starting to think he doesnt know. lol

Dear Lionsteel: make the mini asap

Dude! Green, Brown and Black are wonderful! These are the National Flag Colors of Krakozhia! Is Australia prepared to go to war with them over your remarks?! BTW. I tested LionSteel Nano MagnaCut hardness on my channel. It was between 62 and 63.

I stay just to see basil doing the Maynard scream every fkn time

I like the colours

I actually like the diarrhea brown/green handle lol. Wish it was a satin blade though, then it would look great! I’m honestly more intrigued by that ladder in the background, that thing looks super durable 😂. I’ve had bad luck with the ladders I’ve ordered for the guys at my work lately, they last 2 weeks and I have to get a new one. Wonder if they make em in fiberglass, and if it would be as nice. Can’t use aluminum since we do solar and work with electricity, I like all my guys and wouldn’t want them to get ⚡️😵⚡️

The "older" Lionsteel magnacut knives were 61-62.5HRC and the newer ones should be around 63HRC from the ones I spoke to. Lionsteel uses a third party heat treating company (Trattamenti Termici Todesco SAS), so they could use different protocols for different models. But I wish Lionsteel would list the range of every model, instead of listing an index with a range for the steel they use. I'm waiting on a titanium Skinny now, not a really bad price for an integral and I like the profile

@macmccartney5760

Ай бұрын

Yeah because every m390 knife I've had from them was soft as shit. Except the spyopera

@tacticalcenter8658

Ай бұрын

​​@@macmccartney5760the spyopera was also poor performing

Thanks for that rope test, always same way to do it, same materials, same movement on chopingboard, .. And i really love the knife, it's gorgeous. Even these colors 😂

Thanks for the vid Pete, I still enjoy all the content after so long, which is a lot to say since I have erased most of the channels I used to watch. 👌 Good job 👍

Forested Temple Soundtrack !!!!

I've seen a Magmacut 60 hrc cutting nails which was very interesting. I know that in youre testing its nicer to have 63hrc but I'm only answering to youre question why they do it.

You have awesome patience doing that test. Thanks 🇦🇺 🇳🇿

always thought lionsteel had some great designs. now maybe their heat treats are starting to do them some justice.

I've found 1 vendor in the UK selling this knife natively (import taxes and wait times for Europe and USA are *exuberant*) That being Heinnie Haynes. The Ti version is sold out and £300 but the Aluminium is £170. The point being they carry it in black and black OR green and brown. So, I might get one but I think black is the way to go. Good to see the heat treatment is on point! Thanks Pete :)

I laughed out loud when you said “woots Magnacut”. 😂🤣😂🤣

Ugly knife, happy wife

you could make custom Cedric ada twisted sisal in resin handle scales , or knife and handle. or lanyard bead.. for merch.

Happy to eve that lion steel did a good job on the heat treat. I have never owned one of their knives and quite frankly that is the reason.

Their thickness behind the edge on most knives though... I do no longer buy products made by them because of this. Love their designs and own around 9 knives from Lionsteel, but all are unreasonable thick bte...😢 Thank you very much for the video! ❤

@CNYKnifeNut

Ай бұрын

This. Most of the "lionsteel heat treat bad" people are just too ignorant to realize they're getting poor performance because the edge is 50% thicker than every other knife they're used to. My SpyMyto averages 32 thou bte, and cuts like a brick.

@acid6urns

Ай бұрын

@@CNYKnifeNutitalian companies in general have that issue, i have a viper in magnacut (which is also only at like 60-61 hrc) that has an awful btw thickness

@amitzdullnicker2k

29 күн бұрын

@@acid6urns Oh, yes, you are right - I also have two Viper knives here, they are even worse than the Lionsteels. Same with MKM, seems indeed to be an italian issue...

@TheScotchaholic

21 күн бұрын

Italian blades have great designs and unfortunately poor performance in edge/blade geometry and heat treatment. This is too common.

Interested to know where Lionsteel indicates the hardness as 63 HRC. Their site lists a general range for Magnacut of 60.5 to 62.5, but I'd love for that to be wrong.

@tacticalcenter8658

Ай бұрын

When initially released they were 60rc ish. Only recently did we see them using 63rc. Like this month recently.

The music for the cutting 🤣🤣🤣🤣👊

Thanks for video.

The testing speaks!

The spinach/dirt colour isn't that bad, Just a bit of a curious choice as some of the other colour combos are pretty nice.

It would be cool to see Pete pick up some new spyderco Magna-Cut, I hear BBB optimized the HT for the salt Series! I’m really enjoying my para 3 LW salt

I think it looks neat 👌

Pete, you might need to sell that knife in future and get the red one.

@kerryrwac

Ай бұрын

Pete said that he didn't like the red one lol.

Thanks Pete. Sorry bro for the rant. Stuffs getting real. Thanks for your vids. Respect.

I have a Giant Mouse Ace Reo in magnacut at 61-62HRc and a rebladed AD20 from Brian at Transparent Knives in magnacut at 64.8HRc. Companies should definitely aim higher than 61-62 for magnacut to make it worthwhile compared with m390 or S35VN.

I got a Fox Anzu in Magnacut to see what the steel is about, and I was extremely disappointed when it was completely dull after 5 cuts in thick cardboard

@acid6urns

Ай бұрын

fox does bad heat treats im willing to bet

Regarding the economic rationale of running supersteels soft, my guess is that some companies run too-large batches and skip the cryo treatment. From Larrin's work it seems that some steels (like Magnacut) absolutely need cryo treatment to hit their recommended targets.

Looking a little bit Curiosity Show in ya skivvy today

that bevel makes it look like a scandy haha

It looks like that model has the removable flipper. Does it seem like the knife would work well without the flipper with that opening divot, or is the divot too shallow and the face of the blade too narrow?

New KME is looking swank, but I made the mistake of looking at the price. Sticking with my freehand stones and gonna praccy til I GIT GUD!

You might be able to sand out the green with some steel wool, and maybe able to dye the brown...

Get a Carbon Scale insert made!! Might look ok then.

Hey Pete, I’m too lazy to look if you reviewed the new KME yet, what’s your thoughts on it?

I actually like the look lol

I haven't heard of anyone climbing cheeks since I did a six year bit at San Quentin.

I see what you mean about the color, but it does seem to be a great knife

I hate coated knives. Why would the coat Magnacut?

@nirfz

29 күн бұрын

Because they can and some people buy it. It's like colours on cars. Some colours are not for everyone, but usually there are some who buy what others don't like. Many stainless steel blades are coated for no other reason.

If they release the T5 in Magnacut, I'll get another one.

i was expecting the worst but was pleasantly surprised, i guess i still haven't forgiven them for my horrible m390 on my t.r.e. from a decade ago😂

Damn that kme system looks great. I have the old one and love it but damn $475 for the new one??? OUCH! They are all around $500 to be fair but, even for me, that's steep.

Looking at buying either this knife or the benchmade freak with m4 or s90v which would be the better steel as far as edge retention and tough?

@paulthelefty

Ай бұрын

M4 for toughness, S90 for edge retention, magnacut is a good compromise of both.

It does have the color pallet of a 1970 station wagon, but the important thing is how it drives. Just like with a woman I'd take a good one that's ugly over a flashy one that's useless any day. Embrace the ugly Pete! Can't wait to see the new KME vid, I bought my old KME (with all the bells and whistles) about 18 months ago based upon your review. If the new system can handle bigger knives like the TSProf then it looks like my kid is going to inherit my old system (less than 30 full sharpenings on it) and I'm getting a new toy.

Dags in the background?

WONDER HOW THE GIANT MOUSE ACE REO WOULD DO ON THIS TEST

1:37!! 😂😂😂

Is it better then a 64 HRC A100 from ANV? Cost me 208€ back in the days

Dude. What were you thinking? Oh well, you can always have Basil take a crap on that knife and make it look better.

Good job I love italian design ,but I was bummed about their attitude towards the knife community on their heat treat hopefully they can move forward

... Here tested on apostrophes!

dont know what youre saying this color way looks pretty cool to me

Do you think Magnacut would do better with a toothy edge?

@CNYKnifeNut

Ай бұрын

The "toothy edge" thing is mostly a myth. If all you're doing is slicing cuts in fibrous material, low grit is gonna have better edge retention. In a mixed use/real world scenario though, I've never found much difference in edge retention between 320 and 1200 grit. I've even found higher grit finishes to strop back better, leaving a functional working edge for longer. I've tested the theory quite a bit with Elmax, 10v, S90V and asp60.

Cheers

How about a leader board, make a video of you and past highlights indicating the steel type and numbers. You’re like the Stig, of the knife world

Fine I’ll buy Italian

It's the "Family Truckster" color scheme

@nealjohnson8309

Ай бұрын

That's on the money right there.

@usernameisusername

Ай бұрын

I cannot unsee it now

I have been collecting Lionsteel knives for years. Really terrific production knives……

@tacticalcenter8658

Ай бұрын

They have been known for the worst m390 heat treatment in the industry. Even today. Also too thick behind edges and overall just a show or art brand. That is too expensive for what you get.

@surfingonmars8979

Ай бұрын

@@tacticalcenter8658 nope

@phillxor

Ай бұрын

@@tacticalcenter8658 I've got a few, never had those issues.

@tacticalcenter8658

Ай бұрын

@@surfingonmars8979 its already been proven with facts.

Love your vids Pete 🤔 but everyone knows red goes faster 🤯

I hope people appreciate the FFVII soundtrack

Always like 👍

I hear you on heat-treating steels like Magnacut. My own pet peeve is manufacturers who make a blade out of CPM 3V, and then harden the blade to 56 RC...WTF? The whole point of CPM 3V is good toughness at high hardness. Why hold it back with an inferior heat treatment? You're not getting what you paid for with a heat treatment like that. /end rant

🐕BARK BARK BARK🐕 give a dog a 🦴

Howdy

Izs expensive

I don't think its that hideous, but I also remember some horrors of cheap, anodised nastiness Anyway, thing with these higher end, high alloy steels is that they're fairly expensive, both in terms of the material and a little bit in terms of the heat treatment. However on a batch processing line its not really adding more per unit at a scale which is going to be wildly unprofitable either. So they may as well be super hard because most of them aren't hugely tough, they don't necessarily take an attractive finish and there's an expectation from the customer that if they're buying something like Magnacut or an M390 that it'll have some apex stability and wear resistance.

@tacticalcenter8658

Ай бұрын

M390 is known to almost always be poor performing and low in hardness from most manufacturers, and lionsteel is known for the worst m390 in the market.

🔥🐈‍⬛🔥 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Dye the Micarta black! That will definitely help at least a little bit.

Sorry, missed a few bits of what you were saying. Three of my four dogs felt the need to chime in a couple of times. 😂 Yay rope cutting. Ugly knife. Good video.

Good evening Cedric, can you tell me where you bur your Tormek sharpener in Australia

@nirfz

29 күн бұрын

Cedric and Arda were his dogs when he started the channel.

Nice test. But I think I speak for everyone when I say we need a larger sample size than just one Lionsteel in Magnacut. Please test the L.E. One Karambit next :-P

@kennymattson574

Ай бұрын

That’d be a tough blade shape to test. Plus give Pete’s arm a break man!

I don’t even care about Lionsteel knives and I’m watching 😸

Oh man you ruined it with that massive bevel. A seasoned guy like you should’ve known better 😢

@CedricAda

29 күн бұрын

im here for the testing, it was already ugly AF

I don't know yet

"eUroPeAN MagNaCuT iS tOo SOfT I wOn't buy anything not made in America“ - American bow hunter from Ohio.

We *do* want to put money in the pockets of Ukrainians! Even the Americans are doing that 3:14

How's LionSteel's Customer Service? Cuz i Know Viper Knives Customer Service is cow shit.; Italians.

🇷🇺❤️❤️🇺🇸

My prediction soft as fuck just like their M390. Hopefully I’m wrong.

I would never wear that sweater...

@timbucktoonotforyou.8442

Ай бұрын

It's a tribute to the Wiggles.

@Daniel.Liddicoat

Ай бұрын

@@timbucktoonotforyou.8442 The Eskimo Joe reference was also a reference to the green and baby-shit brown

@myfavoriteviewer306

Ай бұрын

I would hope not, it's Pete's sweater!

A lot of the combos on that model are ugly. Yikes.

I'm begging, change your soundtrack style😢 That's too annoying to mute every time your "sounds" goes on

59 HRC is not soft.

@njo9966

Ай бұрын

Hahaha

F in YT f in me over f em. Ywats the lot of em. Don't like people speaking their mi0