Thank you Rachel for what you're doing! These are wonderful guests, many that I've never heard of before and you are a great interviewer! My hat' off to you.

@PlanetCritical

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you kindly, Don!!

That is why it is the Eurocene. Climate scientists should be talking about Planned Obsolescence and point out economists ignoring the depreciation of durable consumer goods.

thank you for having this thoughtful speaker as a guest. can you please include more indigenous scholars as guests? some of the people who dr. safina suggests that us westerners need to learn from? as he stated in the interview, he's only been learning from indigenous people for about a year, and some of his comments reflect that short period of familiarity (for example, he keeps referring to indigenous people as having done things in the past, when there are lots of indigenous people doing things now). if you are looking for some suggestions, may i recommend: * dr. jessica hernandez, author of " Fresh Banana Leaves: Healing Indigenous Landscapes through Indigenous Science" * dr. enrique salmon, author of "Iwígara: The Kinship of Plants and People" * dr. greg cajete, author of "Native Science: Natural Laws of Interdependence" * dr. melissa nelson, author "Original Instructions: Indigenous Teachings for a Sustainable Future"

Excellent interview! Dear Rachel, your questions, comments and observations are well thought out and eloquently presented. Thank you! Many more people need to tune into your channel. And your accent is charming!

@johnbanach3875

2 жыл бұрын

It must be her charming accent and personality that are serving to recruit so many great interviewees!

@PlanetCritical

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, thanks for joining the community, and for this lovely feedback. It's my sincere pleasure to interview such intellectual powerhouses, I'm just glad I can keep up!

We had a contest who could hold their breath the longest - when I was in first grade and the boys had to go to the otherside of the school to wash our hands before lunch. I easily won the contest and my friend woke me up to, "Drew are you ok?" as blood was streaming down the back of my skull. He said I hit the two corner concrete walls before hitting the concrete floor. hahaha.

Such interesting discussion, broad perspective and deep thoughts are of great importance for understanding the difficult situation of human existence. They show that, given our technical possibilities, we will either awaken from our ideological stupor and narrow-mindedness, or nature will ground us.

Life does not break the second law of thermodynamics. The planet isn't a closed system. It constantly receives energy from the sun. Otherwise another great interview.

@RickLarsonPermacultureDesigner

2 жыл бұрын

How about as long as the sun shines enough on Earth then?

@PlanetCritical

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Ron, I think the idea suggests life's capacity for self-organisation is far from entropic. That said, perhaps it was more of a metaphor than fact! Thanks for flagging.

@ronpetticrew2936

2 жыл бұрын

@@PlanetCritical Cheers for the reply Rachel. May I suggest a few people you could try for interviews. Professor Phillip Lawn and Professor Julia Steinberger on Ecological Economics. And a most amazing guy on the cryosphere Dr Richard Alley.

@PlanetCritical

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronpetticrew2936 Awesome, thanks Ron. Trying to pin Julia down for an interview, and have added Richard and Philip to my list!

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

Actually as Roger Penrose emphasizes from Erwin Schroedringer's 1945 book, "What is Life?" The source of the suns energy is from negative entropy or negentropy as nonlocal reverse time energy aka the "dark energy" or as Penrose points out the "gravitational potential energy." So as Penrose points out the entropy of matter is the opposite of the entropy of gravity! So all of our modern technological attempt to decrease the entropy of matter in fact is increasing the entropy of gravity on Earth. This is why technology is actually speeding up spacetime on Earth in terms of the destruction of life.

You are doing great work.

@PlanetCritical

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

A good conversation, however Carl Safina misrepresents the Classical and Christian attitude to our natural world, distorting them into a form of Gnostic dualism, and attributing to them attitudes more appropriate to the anthropocentric outlook that has dominated Western thought since the 18th Century.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

No Safina is correct - he must have really studied Platonic philosophy. Plato unfortunately is still reified or glorified in the West. Plato was an oil trading merchant who relied on Archytas and Philolaus for his philosophy. A good book on this is "The Paper Economy" by David T. Bazelon. Essentially Plato combined what would become patent law - with an inherent exponential wealth growth for the elite. So mathematics and technology and weath control was all based on the exponential function but justified as "social harmony" by the logarithmic music tuning - called "alogon" - as economist Michael E. Hudson points out about Plato and Archytas. It's now proven that Newton directly derived his gravitational mathematics from Archtyas and Plato - how a stretched string with 4 times the weight has twice the frequency as tension.

Great interview. We had to instantly subscribe to a fellow climate activism channel. Keep up the great work! 👍

@PlanetCritical

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

He’s wrong about entropy. The universe always moves toward chaos/entropy. Life does not violate that principle as life requires an input of energy. Ultimate source of energy is the sun. The burning of the sun is entropy.

Life only appears to breaks the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It doesn't really. The 2nd law of thermodynamics describes a closed system. Order within a system can increase in an open system meaning there is an energy flow into and out of it which describes the earth i and life on it. Place a big filter between the sun and the earth preventing any radiation from reaching the earth then we would see disorder in short order. The whole of life orders energy for itself and so locally increases order within itself but it does so by degrading workable energy outside of it. As soon as the larger containing system fails then the well ordered subsystem will fall into disorder. Eventually the sun will give out and there will be no more life on earth. Multicellular life will last about another 3000 million years and microbes up to 2 billion years as the temperature increases. The sun will die in about 6 billion years. Even the universe will die in 10^100 years. That is a very long way off with the age of the universe being of the order of 10^10 years. The stellar stage of the universe (when stars can form and regenerate) will last from 10^12 to 10^14 years. Life is what happen when high order energy tries to collapse into lower order energy but is continually reenergised by energy flow to the point of increasing order from outside just as a fire continues to burn in the presence of enough new fuel.

@PlanetCritical

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking the time to explicate. It's a reference from another episode which suggests life's capacity for self-organisation is far from entropic. That said, perhaps it was more of a metaphor than fact! Thanks for flagging.

@mattdavies4886

Жыл бұрын

^^^he's not wrong.^^^

Save Our Planet

I think the speaker is wrong here. Jesus was a coruscating figure slating the Jews for ignoring the covenant of creation that God had made. Most of his metaphors were about nature and its fragility. If one reads the New Testament from that way of looking it seems quite different. The Pope, Thomas Berry, Matthew Fox, Hildegard of Bingen etc have brought this understanding out.

Ha! Life is anti-entropic! I heard that from my permaculture design teacher...

@RickLarsonPermacultureDesigner

2 жыл бұрын

Eating agribusiness food leads to imagining that modern medicine will cure. Nothing about anything. Eating nutrient dense food that requires a physical contribution has been the only way.

@RickLarsonPermacultureDesigner

2 жыл бұрын

I loved the chimpanzee royal court comparison. Yeah.

@jthadcast

2 жыл бұрын

artificially amended soil produces food that is missing essential nutrients because we still don't acknowledge the full cycle. big agra promotes flawed cultivation that produces a lower density threshold and food that trades commercial appeal for lower nutrient value. we substituted our values for natures and they are always missing key components.

@RickLarsonPermacultureDesigner

2 жыл бұрын

@@jthadcast I have followed permaculture methodology in design. My garden beds are isolated and surrounded by a diversity of perennials, bushes, and trees. I originally thought the highly diverse aerobic compost I made was solely responsible, but have learned about bacterial quorum sensing and the role of mycelium in the process. Where I started with around an inch of topsoil now is reaching down feet in less than a decade. My soil is active and reactive to various changes in the climate. Its all right in my backyard, click my name, you can watch the videos of what's going on. Plus I am much healthier than I was a decade ago, that is also apparent in my videos.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

yes it is "negentropy" or negative entropy. This insight is from quantum physics and first was realized to be noncommutative by Pascual Jordan. That's not known until recently since Pascual Jordan made the mistake of backing the Nazi evil.

artificial recreation of natural cycles by humans inevitably misses key elements and our new construct is inherently flawed. we attempt to adapt with greater urgency and introduce new errors ... more humans doing more damage. reversing the trend will come with an even greater cost to humans, catch 42.

@henryholt1359

2 жыл бұрын

Dammed if we do, dammed if we don't?

@jthadcast

2 жыл бұрын

​@@henryholt1359 that's our lot, humans doing.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

@@henryholt1359 being dammed is worse than being damned for sure.

end every government and every nation on earth; stand for kingdom of God

Until the Sun starts expanding to Super Nova, and starts burning, and drying everything close around it. Again, and why are we making our own existance miserable?🌎🖤🧡🖤

politics puts government ahead of nation and nation ahead of people, when people more than nation and nation more than government; stop political government and help people build God's kingdom beyond nation

government takes substantive choice from God's free will and makes into political choice for human will

the Aztecs spread pederasty into the Mayan "civilization" - so yes indigenous cultures also developed Solar ritual priest slave-wage agriculture. The Incas conquered the surrounded matrifocal lunar-based cultures for example. To be an Incan male to get married required military service and donating the crop surplus, etc. So indigenous cultures are not necessarily good or noble.

human choice decentralization; God's kingdom central authority

I’m surprised veganism didn’t come up.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

because he probably knows about regenerative agriculture. Veganism was cool in the 1990s though. haha. It's a great thing only limited.

The Earth is cooler with the atmos/GHGs/albedo not warmer. To perform as advertised the GHGs require “extra” energy upwelling from the surface radiating as a black body. The kinetic heat transfer processes of the contiguous atmos molecules render that scenario impossible. No greenhouse effect, no GHG warming, no man/CO2 driven climate change or Gorebal warming. Version 2.0 032922

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

Nick you still haven't learned quantum physics yet? Global warming is all based on the photoelectric effect. Read Professor Raymond Pierrehumbert's planetary climate article in Physics Today for details - it's freely available online.

@nxgrs74

Жыл бұрын

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 I did. He's wrong. Since you have not done the homework find someone who can address my facts. Fact 1: Remove the Earth’s atmosphere or even just the GreenHouse Gases and the Earth becomes much like the Moon, no water vapor or clouds, no ice or snow, no oceans, no vegetation, no 30% albedo becoming a barren rock ball, hot^3 (400 K) on the lit side, cold^3 (100 K) on the dark. At our distance from the Sun space is hot (394 K) not cold (5 K). That’s NOT what the Radiative GreenHouse Effect theory says. EVIDENCE: RGHE theory “288 K w - 255 K w/o = a 33 C colder ice ball Earth” 255 K assumes w/o keeps 30% albedo, an assumption akin to criminal fraud. Nikolov “Airless Celestial Bodies” Kramm “Moon as test bed for Earth” UCLA Diviner lunar mission data Int’l Space Station HVAC design for lit side of 250 F. (ISS web site) Astronaut backpack life support w/ AC and cool water tubing underwear. (Space Discovery Center) Fact 2: The GHGs require “extra” energy upwelling from a surface radiating as a black body. EVIDENCE: According to the K-T atmospheric power flux balance, numerous clones and SURFRAD the GHGs must absorb an “extra” 396/333/63 W/m^2 LWIR energy upwelling from the surface allegedly radiating as a black body. These graphics contain egregious arithmetic and thermodynamic errors. See kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yn6dzNlwXbytXbg.html Fact 3: Because of the significant non-radiative, i.e. kinetic, heat transfer processes of the contiguous participating atmospheric molecules the surface cannot upwell “extra” energy as a black body. EVIDENCE: As demonstrated by experiment, the gold standard of classical science. For the experimental write up see: principia-scientific.org/debunking-the-greenhouse-gas-theory-with-a-boiling-water-pot/ CONCLUSION: No RGHE, no GHG warming, no CAGW or mankind/CO2 driven climate change.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

@@nxgrs74 Nick you've demonstrated no evidence you've engaged with Professor Raymond Pierrehumbert's research. He is now at Oxford University. I got an email response from him a few weeks ago. Instead you just keep repeating the same simplistic point. Mars has 70 times more CO2 than Earth but the atmospheric pressure is different - as Pierrehumbert points out. So yes he understands the basic point you are making. haha. CO2 "stays" in the atmosphere for 10,000 years on Earth due to the oceans.

@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885

Жыл бұрын

@@nxgrs74 Pierrehumbert knows all this and way more - you obviously haven't studied his research. Hilarious.

@nxgrs74

Жыл бұрын

@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 You have yet to challenge my points.

Only if Carl Safina was on a boat floating in the middle of the mediterranean sea, with a bunch of bangladeshis or africa, would he grasp, even know what a real crisis is.

also... where is Africa in those cultural realms? among the indigenous? or did he forget africa?