First thing that dropped when I was Protestant. I was so furious and disturbed by the historical truth that it propelled me into researching almost every doctrine throughout Christendom. Now I’m no longer Protestant.

@johnyang1420

5 күн бұрын

Welcome home

@Spiritof76Catholic

5 күн бұрын

Welcome home. I reverted 24 years ago for similar reasons.

@vinciblegaming6817

5 күн бұрын

Yes! Same for me! Plus the explaining away of scriptures that ARE in their Bible that contradict their doctrine. Protestantism leads seamlessly into progressive Christianity for this reason.

@susand3668

5 күн бұрын

Welcome home all-y'all! I converted many decades ago and never regretted it! I think everyone should return tothe Church!

@undolf4097

5 күн бұрын

Yeah similar story here. Based

I'm a simple guy I see a new Shameless video, I shamelessly click

@jmisssjb05

5 күн бұрын

I Second this!

@SouthernFriedPap1st

5 күн бұрын

When I see Joe has posted, I’m pumped.

@glennlanham6309

5 күн бұрын

very shameless

@videonmode8649

5 күн бұрын

Trve

@rexfordtugwelljr

5 күн бұрын

Shame on you

This question was what woke me up as a Protestant and drew me to the Catholic Church. I thank God for showing me the fullness of Christs Church!

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

God calls humble hearts.

Archbishop Fulton Sheen: “The Church did not come out of the Gospels, the Gospels came out of the Church." Ora pro nobis. +JMJ+

@RespuestasCatolicasTRAD

5 күн бұрын

Wasn't Fulton Sheen a false traditionalist tho

@DJSKdr18

4 күн бұрын

​@@RespuestasCatolicasTRADno.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

@@RespuestasCatolicasTRAD NO! Listen to him. Be wiser.

@haronsmith8974

4 күн бұрын

@@RespuestasCatolicasTRADwtf is a false traditionalist

@lucillebonds2196

4 күн бұрын

​@@RespuestasCatolicasTRADnever.

Joe Heschmeyer, you are quickly becoming my favorite apologist. I always learn a ton of facts with every podcast.

@shamelesspopery

5 күн бұрын

I'm so happy to hear that!

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

@@shamelesspopery Timestamp 17:27 if the Jewish had no practically settled canon at the Christ, then what is your explanation for Jews *universally* not including Tobit and Judith in there canon less than 200 years later? Why unlike Esther, is there lack of any disputes recorded for these books? Note these books contain nothing Messianic for them not to include these books for Christian reason.

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

@@shamelesspopery I made a poll on my channel regarding a statement you made in one of your Catholic Answer articles, if you would like to vote on it. It relates to whether there is a difference between adoration/worship.

@shlamallama6433

3 күн бұрын

​@@YajunYuanSDAdid you watch Jimmy Akin's mysyerious world episode on Ellen G White?

@YajunYuanSDA

Күн бұрын

@@shlamallama6433 Yes both episodes

This was a huge one for me. Growing up protestant I had no idea what the Septuagint was. Once I found out that the early church used it and most of Christianity did as well, I refused to say "The early church got these books wrong and we didn't catch it till Luther but got complex doctrines like the Trinity correct". I couldn't reconcile that

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

There is no single Septuagint, it just means a translation of scriptures into Greek from Hebrew. It originally was only the Torah. Septuagint is a translation not a collection. A Septuagint canon is like saying RSV canon. I can buy RSV bibles with and without the apocrypha. I can also buy KJV with and without the apocrypha. Wisdom of Solomon was written *originally* in Greek, it cannot possibly be a translated by the seventy translators.

@danielustarez

2 күн бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA but still used by the apostles (The Septuagint)

@josh39684

Күн бұрын

​​@@danielustarezI'd rather use the old testament scriptures used by the early church and it just so happens to be the Septuagint.

@EveryHappening

Күн бұрын

@@josh39684So you read the OT in Greek?

@josh39684

Күн бұрын

​@@EveryHappeningno but parts of it

This subject is a major argument for the need for a magisterium and sacred tradition. We are 2,000 years into this religion and still having arguments among adherents on the sacred texts of the faith. While this is not a big deal with orthodox, Copts and Catholics because we don’t subscribe to sola scriptura, it’s a huge deal for Protestants, because their position is the clear historical interloper and severely weakens the reliability of the canon.

@donreinke5863

5 күн бұрын

What it does is threatens the catholic mind control of their members, therefore they dont like it. The more people leave the catholic church, the less money comes in and its been ALL about the money for centuries. Seriously..would Jesus have built the Vatican, much less lived in it?

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

How can the Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses but not know which books make up the Hebrew scriptures?

As a former Baptist, I stick to the Canon of the Catholic Church

Protestants trusting Jews like they don't have a dog in the fight is insane.

@brendansheehan6180

5 күн бұрын

"Yah, I'm going to agree with the Jews who denied Christ's divinity"

@mikejames303

5 күн бұрын

​@@brendansheehan6180"and continued to blaspheme and insult him in their religious texts"

@josh39684

5 күн бұрын

In a paper, I wrote I said that the Jews rejected the Septuagint because the early church accepted it and it had many prophecies in it that confirmed Christian teaching. For example, the Septuagint says in Isaiah "born of a virgin" but the later Hebrew translation says "Young women"

@michaelogrady232

5 күн бұрын

The earliest official Jewish Canon we have is from about 400 years after Pentecost when they had long before lost all authority to do such a thing.

@michaelogrady232

5 күн бұрын

@@josh39684 The Masoretes corrupted the Text in many places.

Who are these people that are only watching Shameless Popery videos for half an hour? That was really shocking and disappointing to find out. During Lent I gave up online streaming, with two exceptions. The first was Fr Mike Schmitz’s homilies, and the last, but certainly not least, Shameless Popery. And for the same reason did I permit them, for being edifying. If you manage to do two a week at 30 minutes each, then I guess that’ll hold me over. But man I’m really going to miss the hour long episodes. They’re TOO GOOD. Seriously, those of you who give up halfway, shame! Lol

@ekatrinya

5 күн бұрын

I feel exactly the same

@truthnotlies

4 күн бұрын

I watched all his videos, all of them in their entirety lol

@Sicarius089

4 күн бұрын

I only did it once 😅don't judge me, I was weak. 🤣

@Burt1038

4 күн бұрын

I watch them at night and usually fall asleep at some point 😁 Sometimes I remember to go back and finish but often by then there's a new video out so I start that one.

@djo-dji6018

4 күн бұрын

Days are only 24 hours long, people have lives (pray, work eat...) and there are literally thousands of books worth reading and studying (among which, surprise... the Bible). Those are some of the very rational reasons why even the best videos are not watched till the end.

It is impressive how protestant distorts some pretty clear facts just because they can't admit they are wrong.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

Protestantism is founded on the individual ego.

@anthonymarimpietri8409

4 күн бұрын

@@HAL9000-su1mzI never thought of it that way but I think you have it. Ultimately protestants rely on their own interpretation of scripture. Each is ultimately his own pope and very often ego prevents them from realizing the truth (some do realize the errors of their tradition).

@HAL9000-su1mz

3 күн бұрын

@@anthonymarimpietri8409 Luther, Calvin and Zwingli. All unified in opposition to the Catholic Church! Brothers in arms. The three horsemen of the European apocalypse. But what happened? Disagreements, with each being his own authority. Ultimately Luther condemned Zwingli to the fires of hell for denying the Eucharist. Calvin decided that Jesus might love us. Luther seduced a nun, smuggled her out of her convent and married her. Uncontrolled ego. Genesis 3. The serpent appealed to Eve's ego. He told her that she and Adam could be like gods, possessing knowledge of good and evil. Indulging the ego caused the fall from grace and indulging the ego has lead to all subsequent division. Consider the arguments we get here: we are not arguing against their intellect, but against their egos. We cannot win that battle. Victory comes only when they are convicted by the Holy Spirit of their error. Only after they humble themselves are their eyes opened. We all struggle against our egos. We succeeed as human beings, as nations, as Christians, only to the degree to which we overcome our egos.

@EveryHappening

Күн бұрын

@@HAL9000-su1mzOoorrrrr the power of the Holy Spirit promised by Jesus who would “lead us into all truth”.

@HAL9000-su1mz

Күн бұрын

@@EveryHappening CONTEXT! He said that ONLY to the Apostles. You and I are not Apostles.

The biblical canon is the Achilles heel of sola Scriptura and Protestantism. Really gets to heart of authority, history, etc. Tradition and Magisterium are the only way we can really know the true canon.

@user-ks3qr5fk6m

4 күн бұрын

Best comment.

@tonyl3762

4 күн бұрын

@@user-ks3qr5fk6m Thanks!

@truthnotlies

4 күн бұрын

And that was my first question after being in a Protestant church. It was so badly addressed, that here I am with wayyyy more questions and definitely no longer a Protestant.

@tonyl3762

4 күн бұрын

@@user-ks3qr5fk6m Thank you!

@tonyl3762

4 күн бұрын

@@truthnotlies Praise God, esp if it was an escape from JWs. I recommend Gary Michuta's books and YT content on this particular question/topic: Apocrypha Apocalypse.

Another canon argument that I’ve become interested in is how undecided it was all the way up to its solemn dogmatizing at Trent. While yes we have many regional councils and even ecumenical councils prior to Trent that corroborate the Catholic canon, we can still see disputes over certain books through history even with cardinal Cajetan in the 16th century. This indicates that the canon was not so big an issue for most Christians that the church had to define it, because they had the church to teach sound doctrine. If Sola Scriptura was the paradigm, we should expect to see the canonizing of scripture far earlier in history and far more solemnly, but we don’t.

@truthnotlies

4 күн бұрын

So true. And because the Reformation didn't so forcefully impact the East, the Orthodox still haven't ratified it exactly. It's a bit looser with more books that they read.

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

Yes it shows the Roman Catholic church wasn't using Sacred Scripture as the *Ruler* of faith (Canon means rule or measure, the limits).

@killianmiller6107

4 күн бұрын

Oh, and where is your church in the first millennium with an early and solemnly defined canon? Again, if God intended Sola Scriptura, we should expect an early closed canon (and don’t give me “fallible list of infallible books”) Just because the church was the paradigm for teaching sound doctrine (widespread copies of scripture only comes with the printing press), it does not follow that therefore their teaching wasn’t ruled by scripture. The faithful received scripture truth through the church as the church keeps the deposit of faith safe.

I love the deep-dive long format episodes that you usually make

I was raised as a protestant as well, then thought to have found Him in Judaism, but Jesus had mercy on me and opened my eyes 2 years ago. Now I'm Catholic and I finally feel that I came home, in His church!:) Even though I don't need any "evidence" for myself, there are so many around me who have doubts, biased complaints or misconceptions about our faith, messianic Jews included. It was a pleasure to watch your video. Soooo clear and detailed. God bless you for your work and we pray and help that others' hearts will open as well to the full truth as only can be found in the Catholic Church.

I think it begs the question, why were these 7 books accepted at all if the Protestant position is correct. And where is the pushback from church fathers arguing that these 7 books are to be left out, unless I missed that point. It just seems strange that 1100 hundred years later, give or take, Martin Luther with his superior knowledge of everything says “Oh I see the problem, these 7 books need to be removed.” And no one else east or west came to the same conclusion?

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

The Orthodox! Have always sued the 73 books. Always. p.s. they rejected Luther and the 'reform'.

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

There is no Church Father who write a canon list that includes all seven books apart from Augustine. The majority give essentially a 22 book OT canon with disputes whether Baruch is part of the one book of Jeremiah.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST lies.

@christopherponsford8385

4 күн бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDAI’m not aware of a single church father who affirms the Protestant 66 book canon. Some seem to get close, but it’s never exact. One list I saw essentially got the Protestant OT, but the NT excluded Hebrews and Revelation. We have numerous examples (Augustine especially, various local councils) affirming the 73 book canon used by Catholics, but I’m not sure we can find a canon list that totally matches up with the 66 Protestant canon until the Reformation.

3 күн бұрын

@@christopherponsford8385exactly. Idk where these Protestants are coming up with this stuff. None of the early church fathers accepted a 66 canon. Again it was the Protestants that took books out to fit their man made doctrines.

I did a Sunday school class in my Protestant church on textual criticism and briefly touched canonicity- although I gave arguments from Kruger and James White I was nervous and thought the arguments were shaky and cut that section short. An honest look at the canon is wont to dispel Sola Scriptura.

@truthnotlies

4 күн бұрын

Kruger's arguments are so horrendous I couldn't believe anyone actually thinks they're acceptable. I read his book, Revisiting the Canon, and was appalled that it was supposed to be the best.

@harley6659

4 күн бұрын

@@truthnotlies yup that’s “the guy” for Protestants I read his arguments and i thought “really?? This is it??”

Luther was doing what Jehovah’s Witnesses are famous for - changing the Bible to fit his theology 😮

This topic is what brought me to Catholicism. I’m no longer Protestant.

Your channel makes me feel like I’m earning my doctorate, God bless my man keep up the incredible work!

For protestants … it was decided by an excommunicated priest (not even a bishop).

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

Luther: Proto-Jehova's Witness. JWs: Post apocalyptic Lutherans.

@PadraigTomas

4 күн бұрын

I'm not sure if that is sufficiently authoritative. Was the question decided by a monk who married a nun?

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

@@PadraigTomas After he broke his vows, convinced her to break hers, SMUGGLED her out of the convent in a fish barrel in order to marry her.

Sometimes i tap out because I'm a busy mom but i always come finish the video and then usually watch the whole thing with my husband later. But often still in fragments because we're always busy with the kids. And when i can listen to an hour long one all in one go - that's a great time for me ⭐

@truthnotlies

4 күн бұрын

Same ❤

Thanks Joe so much for the last 2 videos!!! I’m the one who suggested this and I really appreciate it!

Noooo, this can't be... GOD IS GOOD! I was struggling with protestant objections on the canon and the apocryphta. I literally have been watching videos for 4 hours. Now I got recommended this video.

@TJBowman-vr1co

5 күн бұрын

If one is a Protestant, then one must accept that the Holy Spirit acted through people and nailed the New Testament, but at the same time had a brain fart and completely screwed up the Old Testament, and let this result stand for 1,500 years. A thinking man cannot accept that.

@Ladya12345

5 күн бұрын

I had a similar experience. I know it can be overwhelming but I will say a prayer for you. Not everything has to be discovered today. Just give yourself grace and patience and allow yourself to explore with an open mind.

@ochem123

5 күн бұрын

@@TJBowman-vr1coTalk of flatulence is scandalous vulgarity and is not to be tolerated, even in the abstract. watch your language; there are children reading. ❤️‍🔥

@TJBowman-vr1co

5 күн бұрын

@ochem123 pardon me, I meant a complete mental breakdown. Either way my point stands.

@Jerome616

4 күн бұрын

❤ God working through the Algorithm.

Joe, if your videos were 4 hrs long I'd watch the whole thing. Best apologetics out there

The 4 criteria that bible.animations present have so many holes. 1) Came from an Apostle? Scholars debate endlessly on the historicity of the traditional authorship, so you need to rely on Church tradition as witness to who wrote these books. 2) Accepted by Christians? Who are these? and how many? You won't get unanimous consensus unless you appeal to a council. 3) Consistent doctrine? Protestants can't even agree on consistent doctrines when they are all working from the same text. This is completely subjective. 4) Values of the Holy Spirit? How do you determine these values absent a canonical list? You would need already have scripture to get any sort of understanding of the values of the Holy Spirit, at which point you've introduced circular reasoning. That is on top of this point being just as subjective as the others.

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

1) Yes, need tradition (history) of Jews to tell you who the Prophets are and Christians to tell you who the Apostles are. Cannot use Gentiles to tell you what the Hebrew scriptures of the Old Covenant. 2) Local councils of hippo/carthage do *not* get you unanimous consensus.

@sentjojo

4 күн бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA the SDA legend himself (herself?) Catholics don't need unanimous consensus because we accept the authority of the councils decision. My point for (2) was that an appeal to "Christians" in general is not helpful for the Protestant perspective because WHICH ancient Christians were correct and why? You can either take all of the tradition or none of the tradition. Cherry picking tradition is a broken methodology.

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

@@sentjojo My point is a local council whether Catholic or SDA has no authority other than local. Only an Ecumenical council has authority, there was *no* ecumenical council in the first millennium of the Church that gave a canon list. So basically all you can say is that Augustine's diocese accepted the Apocrypha in ~400AD. That has nothing to do with Tradition, because every other Church Father canon list excluded all the apocrypha in there explicitly numbered 22 book OT canon, the only dispute between them was whether Baruch was part of the one book of Jeremiah.

@alexjohnston2962

4 күн бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA didn't he specifically say in the video that Origin of Alexandria talked about people using Tobit as scripture? I think the only one explicitly excluding them is Jerome.

@sentjojo

4 күн бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA well you're leaving some massive historical facts out there. The primary one being Pope Damasus making the Vulgate the canon of the West. Whether or not you think the Pope had universal jurisdiction, he definitely did have jurisdiction at that time over the Latin church. The East also accepted the Deuterocanon because they used (and still use) the Septuagint. That Catholic canon predates Augustine, as evidenced by Origen using it. So exactly which Church Fathers are you referring to? If you say Jerome then just lmao he was a Papist and did what Pope Damasus told him to do.

Does the other video give any sources for their claims? Joe/CatholicAnswers go above and beyond with their context and sources. Maybe it’s a leap of faith, but I just trust what they are telling us is accurate, and if it’s not then they’ll correct themselves and tell us.. I feel bad for those who are only getting the kind of info in the other video. When I converted almost 3 years ago now, I felt as though why did no one ever tell me about any of this treasure chest of knowledge there is to be known and learned within the Catholic Church. I’d never heard of these other books in the Bible, along with so many other things. I thank God he lead me into his One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church 🙏🏻

The foundation doctrine of the reformation was Luther's sola fide. It is not surprising that he wanted to delete the book of James particularly because it had the verse that said salvation by works at not by faith alone. in the 16th century, Martin Luther argued that several of the NT books lacked the authority of the Gospels, and therefore proposed removing a number including Hebrews, James, Jude, and the Book of Revelation. His theology was grounded in a part vs you won't find "saved by Faith alone apart from works".

5 күн бұрын

@truthsayer6414 he wanted to get rid of revelation as well because it supported intercession of the saints. Again the revolutionaries had no authority from god to do this. If they did they would have showned miracles which they didn’t.

@levrai944

4 күн бұрын

I always say, if Luther isn’t in hell right now. He’s going to be burning in purgatory until judgment day. He single handily lead so many souls astray even centuries and generations later. He’s done so much damage it infuriates me.

4 күн бұрын

@@levrai944 I mean there was talk of reform in the church. It’s a human institution. A lot of corruption. Sometimes god works in mysterious ways. Luther was a herectic along with the others. Idk why it was called a reformation. It was a revolution against the church. We saw the true reformers of the church later on. Luther had his chance to be one of the great saints of the church but was a heretic in the end when he basically preached a different gospel from Christ.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

It is a shame that Philipp Melanchthon convinced Luther not to shred the NT. Protestantism would have collapsed much more quickly.

@truthsayer6414

4 күн бұрын

Hey if White, Winger or Washer want to claim that the Bible supports sola fide, the foundation document of the reformation, then consider the following analogy: for those who say "we can't add to what Christ did on the cross," my father worked very hard to save enough money to support ALL his children not just a favoured one or two. Without his unconditional love and support, I would never have made it to University. There was nothing we could do growing up to add to what our father achieved for his children, except for us to love, honor and obey him. I certainly needed faith in my own beliefs but necessarily had to work extremely hard for the privilege of my father's love and support, persevering in my studies for some four years. In the very end, I had to stand before the judgment seat of my university professors and give an account of all I achieved, both the good and not so good results, to justify my degree. Were all victories our family based on the faith I had in myself or my father alone? What does Paul say in 2 Cor 5:10, or Rom 2 6, and Matt 16 27, Revelation 20 12? Now be honest!

The total reliance on the Hebrew Torah that wasn't even completed until the 9th century has always been in the "bold move" category for. But a great reason I'm confident the Church got it right is the book of Tobit. There is no book that appears more in the Dead Sea Scrolls collections than Tobit. So it seems that the "Jews never even bothered with the Apocrypha (Deuterocannonical) books!" claim is wrong.

@cherylschalk9106

5 күн бұрын

I like reading Tobit so much, that I think it’s too bad that Protestants refuse to read it.

@truthnotlies

4 күн бұрын

I looked that up myself and was shocked to see how Tobit, Judith, Wisdom... All in the Dead Sea Scrolls and so many of them. I felt like I have been totally ripped off!!!

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

EVERYONE! Read TOBIT! Amazing book with the most advanced "Angelology" in the entire OT. It is a wonderfully warm, human, hope-inspiring book that contains vietually every human experience and emotion. A mini-Job, but with an angel and a dog wagging its tail. The versions based on Saint Jerome's Vulgate are far better, IMO.

@christopherponsford8385

4 күн бұрын

@@HAL9000-su1mz It’s also the only book outside the book of Revelation that mentions “the seven” that stand before the Lord. Tob 12:15 For I am the angel Raphael, one of the seven, who stand before the Lord. Rev 8:2 And I saw seven angels standing in the presence of God: and there were given to them seven trumpets.

@HAL9000-su1mz

3 күн бұрын

@@christopherponsford8385Well said! It explains why Jesus produced such a huge amount of wine at Cana: wedding feasts lasted two solid weeks. It demonstrates the linguistic use of "brother" and "sister" in ancient Israel, which indicates that the brothers and sisters of the Lord were relatives or others from Galilee. It explains the reason for our suffering. Utterly amazing book.

As I understand it, the Hebrew at the time of Christ until the 10th Century did not have vowels. It only had consonents. The Greek Septuigint on the other hand was translated by pre Christian Jews from this Hebrew into Greek. It is possible then to produce alternative readings of the Hebrew text by changing the vowels in some words post Christ. That would make the Septuigint a more reliable Old Testament than the later Masoretic text from the 10th century. This is why I have a bible exclusively translated from the Greek Old and New Testaments (as well as several other translations). Genesis refutes faith alone. In fact the whole OT does not affirm faith alone. Neither does the NT but that is a different story.

@sentjojo

5 күн бұрын

Even more damning for the Masoretic text was the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which was more congruent to the Septuagint than the modern Hebrew bible. Combined with the fact that the NT authors routinely quote the Septuagint makes the Greek OT the version Christians should prefer.

@BensWorkshop

5 күн бұрын

@@sentjojo Yes. I bought The Bible translated by Nicholas King. All from the Greek, Old and New Testaments.

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

@@BensWorkshop Look up what Nicholas King says about how Luke 1:28 should be translated. See what he says about whether the Greek means "Full of Grace"

@BensWorkshop

4 күн бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA He translates it as: "'Rejoice, you have received favour: The Lord is with you.'

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

@@BensWorkshop On a Catholic Bibles blogspot. Question: "I’ve grown up praying the rosary so I’m wondering why in your translation, and in most others, “full of grace” is not used in Luke when addressing Mary, but Stephen is “full of grace” in the Acts of the Apostles? For someone who doesn’t know the original languages, it would seem that it should be the other way around. Can you explain the Greek text behind these two verses to help us why they are translated the way they are?" Nicholas King reply is 'The translation of Luke 1:28 as “full of grace” is not quite accurate. The original is kecharitomene, which could be translated as “Cheer up, you lucky thing”, and means “rejoice, woman who has been graced.” Acts 6:8, however, has Stephen as “full of grace”, and there it is correctly translated.'

If the Feast of the Dedication (Hanukkah) originated in the 2nd century BC, wouldn’t that contradict the so called 400 yrs of “divine silence”?

@shamelesspopery

5 күн бұрын

Indeed it would!

@bman5257

4 күн бұрын

The scholarly consensus is that the Book of Daniel was written in the second century also. You can make a conservative argument that it wasn’t. But the only reason you would make that argument is because you are presupposing the canon.

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

@@shamelesspopery How so? Hanukkah is like Purim, it an ethnic custom rather than a Holy day given by God such as Yom Kippur. Hanukkah might display God's continued providence but it has no connection to Divine Revelation.

@stananders2333

4 күн бұрын

Luis Dizon and William Albrecht have an interesting argument from linguistics about daniel, saying the language of chapter 7(i think) is archaic pre hasmonean, close to Persian period aramaic, demonstrating that most of the prophecies are older than the maccabean language used by an editor

It's weird that they trust a random guy like Luther over all the earlier Christians.

@user-kh9lq4mb9f

4 күн бұрын

This whole topic is ridiculous. Without the rise of literacy and translating of the Bible into the local vernacular none of us would be having this conversation. Which translation Greek Vetus Latina Syriac Peshitta. Latin Vulgate., first English translation of Scripture from Protestantism, and the first early modern English translation, came from William Tyndale, who completed his translation of the New Testament in 1525. Tyndale was eventually arrested and killed by Holy Roman Empire

Just on the shorter / longer forms of Daniel and Esther. An often over looked piece, I've noticed Protestant bibles have changed the prophecy of Simeon too. In Protestant bibles, it concludes with "and you a sword shall pierce your soul" whereas in the Catholic bible this comes a bit early and is tied to "so the thoughts of many will be revealed". I am paraphrasing the verses here as KZread automatically deletes comments with any copy / pasting. involved.

@darklight1611

5 күн бұрын

Which verses are you talking about? I would like to read them, so I can see what was really changed.

@ModernLady

4 күн бұрын

KZread doesn’t deletes comments with copy/paste unless you are spamming. In my country we don’t have any Catholic approved translations, and I can’t say I’ve ever seen any difference in Luke 2:34.

@annalaskowska-colan

4 күн бұрын

I have to confirm YT deletes copy/paste comments. Experienced that myself many times. ​@@ModernLady

@lucas____________

4 күн бұрын

Some put the “so the thoughts of many will be revealed” before the “a sword will pierce your soul”. It varies within both Catholic and Protestant translations, so I don’t think we can conclude it to be anything other than the discretion of the translatorsZ

@Sicarius089

4 күн бұрын

@@darklight1611 the prophecy is in Luke 2: 29-35.

Several NT books were still being disputed into the 4th century (James, 2 Peter, 2 John, 3 John, Jude). There was more consensus on the OT than NT in the early centuries (which included Deuteros)! The agreement on the NT since then conceals just how much division and confusion there was about the NT.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

"Rome has spoken. All the rest are posers." - "slight" paraphrase of Augustin.

I can only give this episode half of a like since it is only half of an episode 😇

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

Ah, but a two thumbs up is a double like of half an episode.

Hey Joe love your channel. Could I make a request that you do a long video specifically on the topic of "Soul Sleep" and how to debunk it?

Thanks for making a video on this. I also made my own response in their comments section a while ago.

Thanks for your work Joe. You're point by point analysis of these topics is very enlightening.

Thank you brother Joe H. for yet another great content. God bless you and your ministry (Shameless Popery Podcast). Amen.

It's funny seeing Dr. Mark Mangano get a citation here, he was my brother's professor at a small bible college in Illinois. Small world

Just found your content, very exciting to listen to, thank you

I cannot get enough of your episodes! Keep them coming, and make them even longer! Pack is much content as you can in there!

Hey Joe, the new thumbnails are great. Peace and God bless y’all

I don’t like the shorter format, but I love this channel, and this was A great episode!

Correction: this Apocryphal Apocalypse. A big hand for Gary Michuta for covering for Joe Heschmeyer again during his vacation. ;-) Sincerely in Xto Mike B. B. From Philly, P.A. U.S.A.

So it was Thomas W! Awesome work and definetely an upgrade for both channels 🎉

Thanks for the great info as always Joe! 🙌🏼👋🏼

Wow. Thank you. This question was literally just on my mind. Great explanation.

Great video. Jimmy Aiken has a very detailed list of those 7 books being quoted in the New Testament.

@Joe, You're a blessing. God bless always 🙏

Awesome video! Thank you and God bless

Really going to miss these nice hour long episodes honestly.

Thanks Joe. Great content.

Thank you for this video! I’d love to understand more about the Catholic view on “end times” or the teachings primarily around Revelation. My Protestant group of friends have a variety of interpretations of it and it seems there really isn’t any unity on what’s to come. 🙏🏼🙏🏼

@trudyfriedrich7416

5 күн бұрын

Read THE LAMBS SUPPER by Dr Scott Hahn. He was a Presbyterian minister until he figured out the book of Revelation. He is now a prominent figure in Catholicism. This book will completely answer your questions.

@user-nz8xr3wq9p

4 күн бұрын

Think of this--the book of Revelation was written after all the other apostles had passed from the scene. This means that the other apostles and early Christians never knew anything about what the Book of Revelation describes. Which further means that they didn't need to know, that the apostles had already preached the full gospel before Revelation was written. Revelation was also late into being accepted into the canon.

I wish more Protestants would be at least open to the Deuterocanon. I have seen more Protestants starting to look into those books more as more evidence shows that they were a part of the early Church's scriptures. Great work! I am reading two of your books right now, "Pope Peter" and "The Early Church was Catholic".

I appreciate the shorter lengths!

Great video. Thanks

I love this channel.

Thanks Thomas 🎉

Refrain from reading the Protestant Bible, as you will encounter many modifications.

@DavidTheZealot

5 күн бұрын

Will blow your mind like it did mine. Douey Rheims reads "after the days of Pentecost.". protestant Bible reads "on the DAY of Pentecost". Which 2 me are two TOTALLY different readings. They also take out our Father's and put ancestors

@marlam8625

5 күн бұрын

And relegate ‘Tradition’ to a footnote and substitute ‘teaching’ for the same Greek word in the three cases it doesn’t fit their narrative (NIV)

@carolinajackson7621

5 күн бұрын

​@marlam8625 because that Greek word, PARADOSEIS, can also mean teaching, instruction, or doctrine. Koine Greek did not have as many words as English has, but a word could have several meanings, depending on the context. Paradosis Definition "a giving over which is done by word of mouth or in writing, i.e. tradition by instruction, narrative, precept, etc. objectively, that which is delivered, the substance of a teaching. of the body of precepts, esp."

@markmulfinger

5 күн бұрын

I actually do not have a big problem with the KJV but my KJV is the original 1611 edition that weighs over 10 pounds and includes the deuterocanonicals!I read it every morning and I am in 1st Kings.

@DavidTheZealot

5 күн бұрын

@@markmulfinger in my opinion the douey-rheims is an earlier better English translation . Thoughts?

You Da man , Joe 😊!

Please don't shorten your show, Joe. I could listen to you for hours. My son introduced me to you a couple years ago. I think you know him. Fr. Stephen Schumacher.

@shamelesspopery

4 күн бұрын

I do know him! He's a good man, and (I'm sure) a good priest.

Very insightful.

Meanwhile the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church: "Ya'll have a closed canon?"

@Vaughndaleoulaw

5 күн бұрын

I was theologically trained in a Protestant seminary. I have yet to hear even a half way convincing argument from a Protestant for a closed canon.

@bjsb6514

4 күн бұрын

@@VaughndaleoulawI agree. It seems to be a question that is a bit unanswerable..

@partydean17

4 күн бұрын

​@Vaughndaleoulaw wouldn't they quote the epistle to Timothy that scripture shall not be added to? I never understood that line given Paul's time and how undecided the scripture was for other jews and the lack of so much of the new testament being written.

@jdotoz

3 күн бұрын

Technically, I don't think we do. Unless you mean "all the books that can ever be canonical have been written."

Hi Sir Joe, thank you so much for your work and content. I have a brief question to ask. How can someone engage in this kind of topic without having to go through these kind of messy and vast approach. I'm asking this because most times I feel and most apologists make it seem that it's easier to just discuss the canon topic and disprove the Protestant canon but when I listen to videos as yours and some other apologists works, it doesn't seem so easy as we make it to be.

Thanks Tee Dub!!!

I'll give it a watch, but the idea I had in mind from all the content I've consumed is that NO one man decides. Luther certainly did, though.

@ryandelaune139

5 күн бұрын

Luther didn’t take books out of the Bible. The deuterocanon was literally in his translation 😂

@thundersmite2162

5 күн бұрын

@@ryandelaune139 That is a misleading statement. If the Bible is Christian scriptures then yes, Luther did remove seven books from the Bible in his translation. By labeling them as not scripture and still physically including them in the book doesn't mean they weren't taken out of the Bible. If the Bible is just a collection of books and it doesn't matter if they are scripture, then all he did was rearrange them.

@ryandelaune139

5 күн бұрын

@@thundersmite2162 the canon of scripture was not infallibly defined by Rome until Trent, in which the deuterocanon was given an equal standing with the rest of scripture.

@thundersmite2162

5 күн бұрын

@@ryandelaune139 Did the deuterocanon not have equal standing with the rest of scripture before Trent? Are you trying to say something about Trent or the deuterocanon? Or perhaps still trying to defend Luther removing books from the Bible?

@user-nz8xr3wq9p

4 күн бұрын

@@ryandelaune139 That is entirely correct--the canon was not infallibly defined until Trent. That is because there was no need to define it, as everybody already accepted what the canon was. That is, until the Reformers challenged the canon. Then the canon had to be decided infallibly in response.

The Lutherans, Presbyterians, Baptists, Mormons, and everyone else got together and decided. The first thing they decided was that the Mormons had to leave so they left and then they got to work. It took more than 3 years to decide, but in the end, 66 books were agreed upon and King James put his imprimatur on it.

@truthnotlies

4 күн бұрын

Mormons??

@palermotrapani9067

4 күн бұрын

@@truthnotlies To be fair, I would not equate the Lutherans, Presbyterians and Baptist with the Mormons. The first 3 are all Trinitarians, the latter is not.

@user-nz8xr3wq9p

4 күн бұрын

@@palermotrapani9067 The Trinity is a Catholic doctrine that the reformers retained. The Mormons then protested against the reformers and threw out the Trinity.

@palermotrapani9067

4 күн бұрын

@@user-nz8xr3wq9p Yes I agree.

Great video as always, Joe! You would have my full attention if you ever do a deep dive into the origins and reliability of the Septuagint compared to the Hebrew Bible we have today.

Wonderful video as always, Joe! Adding to my RCIA collection of videos! But also, I believe any of these type of apologetics are arguing against justifications that protestants are giving after the fact. In other words, what they are really saying is here are the reasons we would have given for removing the seven books if we had removed them due to some type of principled arguments. But it seems to me a matter of history that the seven books were not actually removed until the Bible printers actually decided to remove them. And they removed them to save on shipping costs not due to any authoritative body or church council or even a well respected pastors blessing. And I think this needs to be pointed out because the typical protestant does not realize this and would be shocked to find that this is true and that their tradition has treated the scripture so poorly.

@YajunYuanSDA

4 күн бұрын

The apocrypha books were removed from the original KJV, for the same reasons Prayer of Manasseh, 3 Esdras, and 4 Esdras were removed from the original Douay-Rheims. And I think this needs to be pointed out because the typical Catholic does not realise this.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

@@YajunYuanSDA SDA CRAP. All of your SDA CRAP is made in USA nonsense. Triple-distilled from ELLEN's hallucinations.

They are getting desperate. How to explain the Orthodox, who have ALWAYS used the 73 books. They have a few extra, but have ALWAYS used the 73.

Nailed it! Now audible books Joe please. :D

I used to be a Protestant minister and attended Lincoln Christian University... It's wild that you quote Dr. magano. He used to teach me! And LCU isn't the most prestigious Christian University lol

Can you do a video on the magesterium and papal authority. What is and isn't binding on the faithfuls concious and soul.

Thank you for talking about the Septuagint as a vitally important to the conversation about the OT canon, specifically in regard to what the term "Scripture" in 2 Tim 3:16 refers. Most Protestants are either completely ignorant of the Septuagint or erroneously believe that is was "just" a Greek translation of the OT. The importance of the Septuagint in the 1st century Roman world appears to be significantly greater than most Protestant scholars either know or admit. I understand that, in 1st century synagogues, specifically 1st century Palestine, where the common language was Aramaic, Scripture read in either Hebrew or Greek was acceptable. If it were read in Aramaic, the passage would also have to be read in either Hebrew or Greek. The local vernacular was not sufficient. And, if there is any question as to how important the Greek language was to Jews of the day, all you have to do is consider the word "synagogue" itself. It is Greek, not Hebrew.

So, let me get this right. Protestants say the Bible proclaims its own sufficient authority. So I guess about 500 years ago they did not believe in the sufficient authority of the Bible as it was handed to the Reformers, therefore they had to come up with a new canon of the Bible based on Jewish traditions established many years after they rejected Jesus as the Messiah, and now they can say that the Bible can proclaim its own sufficient authority???? If we follow that reasoning, Protestants should reject the New Testament as well as Jesus as the Messiah.

I usually consume parts of the Audio Podcast and KZread version depending on what I can get to in my car vs at my desk, so I imagine that negatively affects the viewing stats, even though I love and enjoy it all no matter how long.

@stananders2333

4 күн бұрын

I do similar, listening on audible and also youtube

Joe. I would love to see you address the notion of Darwinism. It would be off the beaten path for you but I think you could address it like you did Mormonism. Much love and appreciation

Could you cover the kids show, What's in the Bible, and see if it correctly establishes the history and canonicity of Protestant Bibles?? I think that would be a fun watch.

Can you do criticism of McDowell “ a new evidence that demands a verdict ? “ latest edition? Many Protestants read this.

Awesome idea doing two 30 min episodes! I think protestants really dont have any answers when it comes to the issue of the canon. Which bible you accept must be an infallible tradition outside of scripture. Someone hands you a protestant bible, you accept it. Anyone of them that does a little research into what the other side says, its over. Truly i think it’s one of the easiest ways to prove the Catholic Church

@user-ks3qr5fk6m

4 күн бұрын

Yup, scripture and it’s interpretation comes down to authority.

@truthnotlies

4 күн бұрын

Totally. I asked this question in a Protestant church and was given Revisiting the Canon by Michael Kruger. It was appallingly terrible in its argumentation. That triggered a whole slew of further questions. I can no longer consider myself Protestant.

@timboslice980

4 күн бұрын

@@truthnotlies I love that. For me, i raised methodist, my grandfather had a really old bible that contained the dueterocanon but they were pushed in the back after revelation. They really confused me and was the first thing i asked my grand dad about. He said those books were in all the bibles but didnt contain anything too important. Eventually they fell out of popularity and were removed entirely. It was the catalyst for me leaving the faith entirely, how silly the idea of a religion using a set of books as a rule for the faith but having the ability to ignore or remove things they deem unpopular or unimportant centuries later. I left the church that year.

@user-nz8xr3wq9p

4 күн бұрын

@@user-ks3qr5fk6m Yes. Jesus said you will know the Truth. Catholics can know the Truth, but all Protestants can know is their own opinions!

Do you have a video on apocryphal books like Clement and Enoch?

Did the original intro get killed? Liked it

He sets up a dichotomy that just denies history. Even if you have some protestant view you shoild agree that the "Church gives authority" since it was preaching doctrine before the books were written and wrote the books. For protestants to deny that position they would have to think the books were zapped out of the air fully formed and fully interpretable with no one having taught the substantially same thing with authority. And yes, as you say the Church doesn't just stamp something as inspired as if that retroactively makes it so rather it recognizes and authorizes it in a sense

Hello! I'm planning on buying a russian grammar book in order to learn Russian, but I found this book to download freely on a website. This website is an academic website where people can upload their paper, articles, researchings, etc; and people can download them, some for free, other ones buying. I don't know if this russiam grammar book is legally their or if it is piracy. What should I do? I think it is ligal because I have a certain confidence this website is ok, but, at the same time, I'm not a hundred percent sure if they uploaded it legally! Should I give up from using this pdf?

Paul was a Jew of the Diaspora. The Jews of the Diaspora used the Septuagint. Therefore, when Paul says "all Scripture" he means the Septuagint.

@StoaoftheSouth

5 күн бұрын

I don't know about that... seems like a bit of a stretch.

@michaelogrady232

5 күн бұрын

@@StoaoftheSouth Both the premises are historically true. What part of the conclusion is a stretch?

@danvankouwenberg7234

5 күн бұрын

Makes sense to me.

@StoaoftheSouth

5 күн бұрын

@michaelogrady232 The, conclusion doesn't follow. There were several different biblical traditions around at the time, the Septuagint is one (the later Masoretic, the Essenes at Qumran, the Aramaic Targums, etc.) Also, I am pretty sure that there are times when the NT quotes the OT, and the citation is not to the Septuagint. It doesn't seem to follow that when Paul says "all Scripture," we should interpret that as "the Septuagint." The Septuagint is fine. I just don't think the argument accounts for all the data

@michaelogrady232

5 күн бұрын

@StoaoftheSouth Please read what I wrote. It is known to historians the Jews of the Diaspora in the first century used the Septuagint. Some even say exclusively. The other writings you cite are used by specific groups. There was no widespread use. Timothy was also a Jew of the Diaspora with a Greek father. He wasn't even circumcised when Paul met him, so it is doubtful, nearing impossible, the Scriptures he knew from his youth were the Hebrew Scriptures as an uncircumcised man was not allowed to touch either the Scriptures or the Rabbi instructing him. When Paul says to Timothy "all Scripture," he is no doubt making a statement easily understood by Timothy that needs no further explanation. The only Scripture that Timothy has known from his youth is the Septuagint. I think that is a convincing argument.

Shamelessly dunking on Prots

@rhwinner

5 күн бұрын

Well they are a soft target, but yeah. 😄

@revelation20232

4 күн бұрын

@@rhwinner they really are. I'll give their apologists credit though, it does take skill to try to defend claims not based in facts and some people are swayed by them.

Protestants forget that the Apostles were Jewish and that these Apostles passed down the canon of the Old Testament.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

JESUS! Is He involved? 91% of His OT quotes are from the Septuagint.

He brings up the apocrypha and that none of the books are directly quoted. Good you got that right. However there are other books in previous sections of the Old Testament that have the same problem of not being directly quoted. Why do Protestants not want to throw those out too? You might not believe me when I say it’s actually really simple, but it is. The reason those other books lacking direct quotes in the New Testament are considered still authoritative, is that books in the same section of the Old Testament are quoted. The Old Testament is broken into four parts(if you include the apocrypha) and of those four the Apocrypha is the only entire section that lacks a direct quote from the New Testament.

Some of my favorite books of the OT are among the 7 the Prots deny (Tobit and Judith specifically).

@user-nz8xr3wq9p

4 күн бұрын

The Prods always have to have something to pick about, and the canon is one of them.

Why isn't this on Spotify?

This is akin to the discussion as to whether we should count Pluto as a planet.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

Well Uranus has spoken!

@GizmoFromPizmo

4 күн бұрын

@@HAL9000-su1mz - 😆😆😆 YO MAMA! 😆😆😆

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

@@GizmoFromPizmo Hey, you left the door open.

Ok, so at the end of the day, the claim is, the church has to be the one that declares the canon. The canon can’t be self attesting, and is dependent on the church for that purpose. This is a claim also of the Eastern Orthodox, Assyrian Orthodox, and the Oriental Orthodox. To boot, they also have the same 3 fold authority structure of Church Scripture and Tradition. They also all differ from the Roman Church on the canon. So what is your foundation for knowing that the Roman Catholic Church is the right church?

Appreciate this discussion very much. When does the LXX canon close, before the writing of the NT?

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

It is a "BC" collection, so yes.

@brwnbn

4 күн бұрын

@@HAL9000-su1mz Where is the BC canon list at?

@brwnbn

4 күн бұрын

What I'm wondering is: if we speak of the LXX as a closed canon before the church councils, then do we make the same mistake as the Protestant does about the TNK? Just because the NT cites LXX translations doesn’t mean NT authors had a closed LXX canon in mind that necessarily included the deuterocanon.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

@@brwnbn Generally, that would be the Septuagint collection, although competing Jewish religious/political groups used differing sets. 91% of Christ's OT quotes in the NT come from the Septuagint collection.

@HAL9000-su1mz

4 күн бұрын

@@brwnbn Christ used it. Who saves?

24:09 Beautiful work; the underlined passage is clearly a reference to Abraham and Isaac; Abraham literally would have said something to that effect. God didn’t want Isaac to be dead; God wanted Abraham to live as if Isaac was sacrificed in his mind to God. God wanted Abraham to be willing to give Isaac to the service of God, even at the risk of losing him to death. Abraham proved His love for God was greater than his love for Isaac. The greatest fathers love their sons not for the sake of their sons, but for the sake of God. God is the giver; a man’s son is the gift. Love the giver more than the gift. ❤️‍🔥 Abraham would have exclaimed in joy at the sight of a surrogate body of the ram (king of the lambs). God told Abraham to *offer* Isaac as a sacrifice, which he did. God did not require the life of Isaac at that time, so he substituted a ram. ❤️‍🔥 This was faithfully transcribed into Greek in Egypt during the time of the rule of the Greek Empire. That’s what St. Paul- (yes, St. Paul as Tradition teaches wrote the book of Hebrews; he was a Pharisee [Protestant]-was he not? Who is the favorite author of Protestants? St. Paul. I rest my case that Pharisees are the original Protestants.) St. Paul’s Letter to the Hebrews (Protestants who like to read Hebrew) was written specifically for them, so they deny St. Paul even wrote it. Modern-day Hasidic Judaism is simply “high church Protestant all the way back before the time of Christ. Lots of Protestants have devolved so much that they start protesting Jesus and reverting to pre-messianic, second-temple traditions. Adam was God’s first priest; God has always used priests since the beginning of time. The priests are the mediators between God and man. Jesus is the intersection of God and Man in space and time-the focus of all human history-that occurred at the Incarnation of Jesus in the Holy Womb of Mary. “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.” ❤️‍🔥 He never stopped dwelling with us in the World; He is still incarnated in the Eucharist and housed in the Temple of God; the Tabernacle. ❤️‍🔥 This clear reference to the “Body of the Sheep (Ram/Lamb)” hints to the relationship of God the Father with God the Son. The devout people of God saw Jesus’s lifeless body; Mary held the lifeless Body of Jesus, who had given Her Life. At that moment, she gave her life to Reforming the Church in the minds of the apostles. She spent the most time with St. John the Divine, who is now Divine. Ye cannot give what ye do not have; if St. John became Divine, then so was St. Mary, who taught Him. He gave Her His Divinity, so she could pass it to others. She sent St. James the Greater to Spain, the first son of the Church and the Defender of the Faith. She sent St. Martha, St. Mary, and St. Lazarus to France, the First Daughter of the Church. The flowers bloomed and died in Europe and spread to America, the Virgin Land, where the seeds of New Spain and New France took root. Our Lady of Guadalupe is the “Empress of America.” America is the Virgin; Europe was the seminary. A Jesuit finally became pope; the Jesuits were founded in Spain by St. Ignatius of Loyola. They’ve been trying to conquer the Vatican with a Jesus-like pope and have succeeded. What is the Church doing to Her Head? Crucifying Him. It turns out God knows us after all. Peace and love from Oklahoma. Fiat. ❤️‍🔥

what about paul's letter to laodicea?

Where is the Protestant canon Who developed it When was this done. Where was this done Protestants will point to the Council of Trent for the Catholic Canon. What do we point at for their canon?

For a couple of centuries, the epistle of Clement was read by the early Christians.

We have to stop thanking people for putting together 'nice products' when what they put together was wrong. Also "people tapping out at about half an hour" Mannnnn all the best stuff takes at least an hour to an hour and a half to go through. This internet culture has an attention span that can be measured in nanoseconds.

@shamelesspopery

5 күн бұрын

I want to acknowledge the effort that clearly went into his video. Even though he gets a lot of stuff wrong, it's still better than the folks who simply assume that the early Christians used the 66 book Bible. Trying and failing is still better than not trying, I figure.

@dougmasters4561

5 күн бұрын

@shamelesspopery im a crank and a crumudgeon, pay no mind to me. But I think giving a lot polish on an effort that got enough wrong as to be essentially, malarky, amplifies the negative and doesnt serve as a possitive. It makes the fact of the matter worse, in my opinion. I think we would be better served these days to be more critical of the whole and not so praisworthy of individual features. Excuse me now while I grab my cane and go yell at the cloud that looks like it wants to argue with me.

The canon of the Holy Bible was defined by Pope St. Damassus I in the Decree of Damassus at the Council of Rome in 382 A.D. We know that it is true, because the Pope declared it to be so. Subsequent councils simply affirmed his decree. The decree settled the disagreement between St. Augustine and St. Jerome was given the task to translate the original texts into the Latin Vulgate.....and yes, he decreed that the Deuterocanonicals were included.

@HAL9000-su1mz

3 күн бұрын

Little known is that Jerome translated the Deuterocanon out of obedience; that he later quoted from them as scripture, and that he was neither pope nor council.