Dark night is so much more than dp/dr. You will most likely also be in a deep deep depression, anxiety, despair, physical symptoms, ailments, insomnia where nothing works or helps it. You come face to face with traumas from the past, and spiritual things all at the same time. It’s a completely shift to a higher level of consciousness if someone can survive it, and integrate it as mentioned.

This is so interesting. I got hit by DP/DR-Disorder when I was abaout 16 years old. Back then, it was a horror trip. A few years later, I started to meditate and do Shadowwork, found an awakened tacher to work with, and about half a year ago I got StreamEntry. So this happened after 2 years of practice and I always wondered why I was so fast. With Shadowwork either. And I more and more believe, that it is because I already had an integration of emptiness and no self when DP/DR hit me. Now, sitting here in 360 degree panoramic view, being in a transition phase of whats me and what's not, I dont have the bad feeling of the Disorder anymore. It just doesn't affect me, because it became an integrated and enjoyable insight into true nature of being.

57:30 "A person who doesn't need to save the world" reminds me of a poem, "Clearing" by Martha Postlewaite Do not try to save the whole world or do anything grandiose. Instead, create a clearing in the dense forest of your life and wait there patiently, until the song that is your life falls into your own cupped hands and you recognize and greet it. Only then will you know how to give yourself to this world so worth of rescue.

@kaivenfenton

4 жыл бұрын

Beautiful and very truthful poem....loved it

The man’s a genius. Top tier teaching

Thankyou enlightened grandpa

Listen the whole hour. Is worth it.

As someone who is going through a lot of things mentioned and being confused about a lot of stuff, this was more than helpful. Thank you Shinzen for all your work and love you are sharing with us

I fell into DP/DR after a traumatic psychedelic trip. Then anti-anxiety drug addiction and kundalini syndrome followed. My life fell apart. Sixteen years later, I have no career, no family of my own, no partner, and am still stuck in the Dark Night. It has been a total disaster of unbelievable complexity and difficulty.

@Mandance

Жыл бұрын

In it it as well man, the only way out is through. Try not to fear the symptoms, the fear keeps them alive longer.

@squamish4244

Жыл бұрын

@@Mandance How long has it been for you? What happened to trigger it? What has been the cost? I do feel awfully lonely with all this bizarre stuff happening and just plain lonely. The existential terror is extraordinary. I need to take benzos to manage the symptoms. Ketamine therapy has really helped in the last eight months or so to blow off the kundalini syndrome and release huge sheets of terror and trauma. I have heard very good things about 5 meo DMT as well for lifting existential anguish and there are practitioners in my area, so once I get myself off benzos (no easy task) I might do that next.

@caseypham7975

Жыл бұрын

get some sunlight and grounding

@RichardWilliamDamien

9 ай бұрын

Do you have a mentor or teacher following you?

@HeyDevilBetween

5 ай бұрын

@@squamish4244 look into grounding exercises e.g Peter Ralston’s Zen Body Being. Good stuff that puts you in your body. Good luck! ❤

Wow, I have just started paying attention to this guy. Shinzen is incredible,.

Shinzen, thank you so much, your expertise is just so respectable. Really, I am just so grateful that mindfulness is available to us all.

I’ve become so jaded by KZread teachers, but I like this cat. He’s got it down. The message is clear and true, without any nonsense. His explanation of our biological/social conditioning is accurate, in my experience. Thanks.

@brianlund7862

3 жыл бұрын

Lotta bullshit on KZread. No question. He's the real deal though.

@squamish4244

Жыл бұрын

There are many people on here who are genuinely awake and they provide accurate descriptions of what it's like to be awake. Where so many of them fall down is in what you actually DO to get there. "Just let go, let things be, blah blah blah". Well, that's alright for them, but what about the rest of us without their ridiculously good karma or fortune? So they have lots of students who don't get anywhere. Whereas Shinzen is like, "Do x, do y, do z, and if that doesn't work, try a, b, c, and if that doesn't work, try x and z but leave out y", etc. Hardcore pragmatism, which is totally my jam (and should be everyone else's, ideally :)

53m i call it open mindedness working together with don't know mind. That child like perspective that we tend to lose as our worldview forms causing one to lose both their flexibility and their curiosity.

Brilliantly articulate!

when is the shinzen movie coming out?

This man has an incredible intellect and insight. Thankyou!!

Very helpful clarification on states of meditation.

Wow thank you SO much for this! I struggle from my experience. He has all the answers I was looking for.

Thank you.

So many confirmations from Shinzen. One of my faves.

Thanks you for this sharing ! ;)

Thank you so much, your explanation confirm my experience in almost all the details you mention.. The most strange feeling it has been the disapparence of passion, and still is something that create question inside my self. I noticed that instead of "entusiasm" or intense desire, came an openess and a curiosity that receive the moment as the moment is..and some time (my job in the field of music) this openess come as "beauty" but don't last.Anyway I'm still working on this.Thank you so much!

@jmerdsoy

4 жыл бұрын

I'm in the same profession and am experiencing the same things

Great talk. If you enjoyed it I would also recommend Roger Castillo. I find these teachings nicely complement each other.

Love you Buddy

Yes! A primordial black hole, I've said those exact words. But there's no dissatisfaction. It was a wonderful relief to discover.

Contemplative-based psycho-spiritual growth.. I like it. I would add the word "introspective" in there somewhere, too.

I am glad I have Shinzen's book "The Science of Enlightenment" because it is very hard to listen to him talk.

@agnesbroderick799

Жыл бұрын

question that is..

@squamish4244

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. One of the few weaknesses of Shinzen's style is that he is prone to numerous unexpected pauses and wandering off into semi-related topics.

Rationalizations enter the mind - perhaps the thought: “Won’t God be just as pleased with me if I live a good, moral life? Must I give up everything human - everything normal, and be left in the end with, perhaps, nothing?”

@brianlund7862

3 жыл бұрын

Depends

Thank you so much. Rare and fascinating description...but regarding intervention, for helping integration....wouldn't it be better to just continue the momentum of the Surrender to this evolution process, which seems to have started, with trust, rather than trying to "fix" it from "this" side (buying again to dualism of the "self self")?? (i am more referring to the flat line, in this question)🧡 Shinzen, you are a scientific poet.💕

Hello, First thank you infinetively for this and all your other marvelous lectures and insight, Sensei :). Second, as I'm a novice, I got a novice question from my mornimg sitting : When we speak, think, inner chat, etc we do it from our prefrontal cortex (as I recall). If we can shift our conciosness to another part of our brain with function other than speach, are we then that much closer to void, to non self? At least to "void of words" :)

No puedo leer. Pena que no esté traducido al español este iluminado video. Gracias Gracias

16:30: "suffering is physical and/or emotional pain not experienced fully.". Sure, if you experience it fully, that will nullify the reaction of suffering. But you can also have a quite common reaction of knowing that the pain is temporary, thus minimizing suffering. Or just distancing yourself stoically. Or less skillfully: suppressing. But to experience it more fully is certainly the most skillful approach. But to define something by what nullifies it sounds quite strange ^^ I'd define it as "your, often subconscious, negative reactions to physical / emotional pain/discomfort". But in the end, it doesn't really matter, as you should be cultivating the fully-experiencing approach anyways :)

30:23 Wouldn’t the difference come from the cultivation of Samatha? Joy, tranquility and equanimity weren’t part of the bad trip of DP/DR in my experience.

Suffering is physical or emotional pain not experienced fully.

Shinzen. Where he at?

No self, no problem. It must be understood that there is no thinker, experiencer or self, and that there is nobody on Earth or in any universe.

What does he mean by emptiness or the void?

@virgulaah

4 жыл бұрын

contemplation

@AndreasDelleske

3 жыл бұрын

What you experience when everything gets dropped that is not you. Or the space inside which everything occurs, which might be the same.

I have landed in the pit of the void from wrong meditation practice and I don't know how to cope

@AndreasDelleske

3 жыл бұрын

As soon as you know what is wrong it is not you (anymore). Maybe stay in the „don’t know“ for a while and perceive what comes up, let it pass. Bottom line, nothing is really wrong. We walk in steps. I see emptiness as a really peaceful place. „Can you silence my mind?“ „Bring me your mind then“ „I can’t find any“ „Then I must have silenced it already“.

@mats.youtube3013

3 жыл бұрын

I have been there, but I recently "got out of it" after recovery and a lot of meditation. How are you coping now?

@stinelundetoft3512

3 жыл бұрын

@@mats.youtube3013 I am still in the pit of the void. I can,'t feel anything. Two years ago I was well and could feel everything. I see no option but suicide.

@squamish4244

Жыл бұрын

@@stinelundetoft3512 I know energy healers who can help you, but you have to be open-minded.

You ask what is the difference between the Buddhists good trip and ordinary people’s bad trip, who have had the experience of emptiness? May I present my answer, in case you read this. It all depends on the perception of a person whether it is a good or a bad trip. The majority of Buddhists say it is a good trip because they knew about it ahead of time, they understood it to be freedom and a good thing and they have been working towards it for years probably. The rest of the people who experience this emptiness have not had any knowledge of such a thing happening. People say it is a bad trip is because it is so RARE that it is next to impossible to find anyone who understands them. Nobody to talk with and share experiences with. It is terrible in that sense and that is where I am now. I think I will look for those websites you mentioned about people with this “disorder.” I agree it is an normal natural experience and can happen to anyone at anytime. It happened to me in 1980. I didn’t know a thing about Spirituality or meditation then. Thirty years later I understood what had happened to me. Since I was psychologically oriented I automatically began to reflect, contemplate and became very introspective of my life and continually worked towards undoing all my “conditioning” while at the same time being drawn to what Spiritual people were saying in books and eventually on youtube

I heard this guy is a badass. I'm disappointed.

@mselfalt163

4 жыл бұрын

He thinks carefully about the words to use. I think you can't see the brilliance in the content yet.

@mihugong3153

4 жыл бұрын

Well, I invite you to explain in some detail what you expected and why you are disappointed.

@AndreasDelleske

3 жыл бұрын

What could you possibly learn from a „badass“ but the perception that you feel somewhat inferior? BTW he has different topics for different contexts or questions. And there are other teachers. There is no shame in picking what fits your path.

@squamish4244

Жыл бұрын

He's not for everyone. And he can give cagey 'Zen' answers to questions that make you roll your eyes. But most of the time he's intensely pragmatic.