Hope you all enjoy, I spent a while on this script! I should’ve name-dropped Saitama, the only reason he didn’t have a section is because I wanted to avoid retreading ideas. His section would’ve covered points, just goes to show he checks all the boxes for me lol

@TheSaladBar

14 күн бұрын

Besides him, “why is ____ not included” is explained in the beginning 🗿

@jezqx

14 күн бұрын

Nice

@Kuro87na

14 күн бұрын

People keep saying Home lander is a good example of The strongest in his verse. I haven't watched it so take it with a grain of salt. but I have seen videos on him and I see why people would say that.

@Deathiplyx

14 күн бұрын

You should make a what if where Goku focuses on developing his martial arts and techniques over power.

@TamsCake

14 күн бұрын

​@@Deathiplyx why would he make that

Goku isn't the strongest in his verse, but whenever there is trouble you look to him for help. He embodies the spirit of the strongest

@goku-fs7

14 күн бұрын

Whenever a Strong character in anime enters , immediate thoughts of anime watcher is to scale him against goku

@thezackast2752

14 күн бұрын

It's more than that at this point. He's become almost synonymous with strength. Whenever someone pops up as a 'strongest' archetype, the first instinct of a lot of people is to ask "But can he beat Goku tho?". People measure strength by Levels of Goku

@moistfist1054

14 күн бұрын

@@goku-fs7 Yeah, it’s why so many characters are so strong nowadays. I firmly believe that most characters today are designed with defeating Goku in mind. Everyone wants their bragging rights.

@katz8111

14 күн бұрын

@@thezackast2752 because GOKU IS HIM and.. probably the most popular anime character of all time

@Lavanence

14 күн бұрын

b4 dbz Goku was the strongest. After his fight with Junior and winning the 23rd tenkaichi budokai if was set. but in the db franchise, that moment is always fleeting. there's always someone stronger, and Goku will forever chase them

I feel most isekai anime fail at writing “ The strongest” type of characters.

@IAMINSIDEYOURWALLS604

14 күн бұрын

You think? Most are just copy and paste again and again and again. It's so painful to see.

@theomnigamer9177

14 күн бұрын

When the best written Sonic game is an Isekai (Sonic & the Black Knight): Welp… I’m just going to pretend you didn’t type that statement.

@IAMINSIDEYOURWALLS604

14 күн бұрын

@@theomnigamer9177 A N I M E

@MiniBinguss

14 күн бұрын

"I feel most isekai anime fail at writing." there fixed your comment

@theomnigamer9177

14 күн бұрын

@IAMINSIDEYOURWALLS604 You can’t tell me Sonic & the Black Knight isn’t an anime without lying to yourself. Sonic gets teleported to Arthurian legend, wields a talking sword, faces demons from the underworld, slays King Arthur and dragons, duels the knights of the round table, and has an awesome super transformation. How is that not an anime, just turned into a video game?

Are you nah I’d win because you’re the strongest or are you the strongest because nah I’d win

@mathewcool1626

14 күн бұрын

oh no

@abdullahsyed6566

14 күн бұрын

Stand proud Nah I’d Win, you’re strong.

@maplesyrup8426

14 күн бұрын

THE LOBOTOMY!! THE LOBOTOMY IS REAAAAAAAAL!!!!!

@ultimatehope549

14 күн бұрын

Nah, I’d stand proud with this treasure because you’re Satoru Gojo

@Bennieboy918

14 күн бұрын

Always bet on the one piece is with his overwhelming intensity would you lose? Nah, I’d with this treasure i summon

My favorite OP villain has to be Mereum because how OP he is isn't the main factor of his character arc. He evolves and how he's defeated speaks to the overall theme of the arc of how evil humanity can be in order to stay on top of the food chain. Togashi really knows how to make amazing villains throughout his works.

@abaren730

14 күн бұрын

Tbh I was surprised they didn’t mention the nuke. Mereum wasn’t going to win that fight regardless of whether or not he was stronger, and that ties into both characters’ relationships with strength. Like, Netero was 100% willing to sacrifice himself just to spite someone who may have been stronger than him. And Meruem, for all his intelligence and power, couldn’t do anything about it.

@MrBdog1021

14 күн бұрын

Yeah. I despised Meruem at first, probably like most people, because of how strong and arrogant he was. Yet once they started to introduce the human side to his character, he immediately went to being one of faves. Top tier villain and character overall.

@theonetruefusion8533

14 күн бұрын

His name is Meryem, when was the last time you read the arc?

@swagpillar

14 күн бұрын

​@theonetruefusion8533 does it say meryem in the manga or something? I'm pretty sure it's meruem in the anime

@fgvcosmic6752

14 күн бұрын

@@swagpillar I can confirm that its Meruem (メルエム) in japanese, too. Meryem is simply not correct

Mob from Mob Psycho 100 is an interesting case too. Its clear that he is the strongest from the start but he knows that he cant solve all his problems with his power. Very nice analysis btw ;)

@gannielukks1811

11 күн бұрын

Reigen is truly the most powerful

@FumoCore6FiresofReiuji

10 күн бұрын

It's an amazing story because he's both the strongest esper but also inadequate in literally everything else, which is a big detriment when there isn't constantly world ending threats happening.

@honeycrisp808

10 күн бұрын

I said exactly this! He's basically the opposite of all of these characters, but thats what makes him so unique. If there's a problem thats spiritual or evil, Mob can do it with zero effort every single time. It's interacting with *people* that brings about the conflict in the series, and it's why I love the show so much. Taking out a majority of the power struggles for the protagonist lets the series focus on his growth and his interactions with his enemies. Also, it lets the side characters get to show off more, which is fun but unrelated to this point.

@maxeros4725

10 күн бұрын

Why are you winking like that

@AEGIS-RED-MEGA-VIEWS

7 күн бұрын

yep

I know Saitama struggles with being the strongest in his universe cause he finds no joy in being so. Being at the absolute pinnacle of power means no one can stand up to you, and when you are a person who finds excitement in fighting, you'd get bored pretty easily from how easy it becomes once you're at the top. You can definitely see how that plays out in the Boros fight, where Boros found what he was looking for, while Saitama didn't even use most of his strength. And Boros realizes that, and was pretty disappointed that Saitama didn't even have a challenge. But later on, we see why he keeps fighting. He fights for his friends. Saitama needs Genos more than Genos needs Saitama. Genos really brings out the best in Saitama.

@PedroApp

14 күн бұрын

Saitama sucks

@tsunderegod2920

14 күн бұрын

@@PedroApp Take that back right now young man.

@Stikkz-true

14 күн бұрын

I also really enjoy how saitama kinda saw himself in boros, someone also looking for a strong opponent after reaching the top. I think that's why saitama humored boros's planet-enslaving plan for so long. He wanted to give someone the joy that they've been searching for for so long.

@goddessyamato5238

14 күн бұрын

@@Stikkz-truehe literally fought someone as strong as him and that’s garou

@bongcloudopening5404

14 күн бұрын

​​@@goddessyamato5238 and he didn't enjoy the fight because Genos died, you can see how mad he was at garou and how he sees the fight as him beating garou to a pulp, he wasn't excited he was mad, which is terrifying.

Not talking about Yujiro Hanma in a video like this is honestly a crime

@TheSaladBar

14 күн бұрын

I almost included him (since he is a good example) but felt the absurdity of him would detract from the tone I had in mind for this video

@Bath0rius

14 күн бұрын

@@TheSaladBar Ah, yeah I can definitely understand that. Still, there are very few charcters where being "the strongest" is so fundamentally tied to their identity as it is with Yujiro.

@TheSaladBar

14 күн бұрын

Honestly if I were to cover Yujiro’s embodiment of this, it would probably be within his own video ☝️ I might actually do that now

@fkeyae4217

14 күн бұрын

@@TheSaladBarI know there aren’t too many but Yujiro and Gojo are both similar to the fact that their birth changed the world around them so I get it

@Bath0rius

14 күн бұрын

@@TheSaladBar would love to see that 👍

Goku served as a great example of what it means to be the strongest....version of yourself. He's inspiring and is like 90% of the reason why I started going to the gym

@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734

11 күн бұрын

Dude, I use his perseverance as inspiration to overcome my crippling anxiety and the afflictions I was undesirably born with. He may not be the same character that I loved in Dragon Ball Z, but the impact that (pre super) Goku, has personally had on me, is something that I will never take for granted.

@kiratwo4u

3 күн бұрын

hope Goku teaches us how to meditate too

@ouchiegiverjr

3 күн бұрын

So what about the versions of him that revert and don’t even know what meditation is in super? Goku is a static character and has almost never changed since his creation, his growth is purely a stat with not much changing about him from DB all the way to DBZ, super is when it needed to revert and regress him.

@CameronClark-rt7dm

2 күн бұрын

@@ouchiegiverjrokay lil bro.

I like Beerus’s strength cause it explores another type of the “Strongest.” He’s someone who achieved that so long ago and has been secure with it for so much time that being the strongest has stopped being part of his character. If you sit at the peak for so long you eventually have to stop reveling in your power and just find something else to do, and that’s the point Beerus has been at for millions of years. He is not his power because that story was told eons ago, and like I do wish we could’ve gotten some idea of what he and Champa did when they were mortals, but that time is so far removed from who they are now that it wouldn’t matter to see it

@analytixna6610

12 күн бұрын

This is a good take, he's also the best fighter among the destroyers so it makes sense

@Ugoshblue

12 күн бұрын

i think you are overthinking it a little bit

@RaeTekd

12 күн бұрын

I understand what you mean with this, but from a writing perspective this is a cop out for the author. You can’t just mark someone as the strongest for the goal post and then do absolutely nothing with it, even if you give canon reasons in the story at the end of the day your still doing nothing with the character.

@Aerowarrier

12 күн бұрын

@@RaeTekd personally I think he works for Dragonball. The role of his power is to be an unattainable goal so that Goku and Vegeta will never stop pushing themselves. It makes it so they won’t fall into a rut like what happened after Cell died where nobody really sees a reason to train without a visible villain in front of them. It wouldn’t really work in many other stories but Saiyans always perform their best with a tangible goal in mind, especially if they think that it’s achievable, so Beerus let’s them think that so they get the best results from their training. Obviously more could be done with him but he doesn’t really need a character arc or anything since we’re already seeing the aftermath of his story That being said, a story set millions of years ago with Beerus and Champa as the twin MCs on their mission to usurp the gods would be sick. It could include Old Kai too and establish why Beerus doesn’t like him, and have their be many more universes that are more interconnected, hence us seeing a member of Beerus’ race in universe 11, with the end result being Zeno destroying all but 12 and separating them a lot more. It wouldn’t really have any bearing on Dragonball itself since literally none of the races we see would exist at that point except for possibly Namekians, but a cool story could be written about it. Hell maybe even have the origin of the Super Dragon Balls be explored all that time ago. Who knows?

@RaeTekd

12 күн бұрын

@@Aerowarrier again from a story perspective it makes some sense for beerus to be some unachievable goal. But at the same time it’s a cop out for the author, saying that it makes sense, doesn’t mean that it isn’t lazy writing. There’s so much more you could do with beerus that would still keep the same character point. But they don’t do that. They establish beerus as a strong goal for the saiyans but at the same time they do nothing with him. I understand his character makes sense for him, it’s still lazy writing 🤷‍♂️

I feel like there are mainly four ways to write "the strongest" characters, basically four themes that are mostly intertwined to some extent but to get good results you need to have one of them as the central theme: 1 - The Status Quo. The strongest character is - to a good extent - the embodiment of the status quo of the world, in which case the initial plot should be about trying to dodge them and eventually getting rid of them entirely (or temporarily) so the actual plot can kick in. It's extremely important that you show how they maintain the status quo, and immediately kick the plot in 5th gear as soon as they are out, and show how things change without their support pillar. This character will most often work as a good or at least neutral party (Gojo, All Might, etc), since it can allow you to slow boil the reader into the plot, and then go crazy on the second act. However, it also works for villains, in which case you actually focus more on dodging this immovable wall/unstoppable force and the finale is the about taking them down (i.e. Homelander, Injustice Superman); 2 - The Ceiling. Basically, they are the ceiling of the series, but also something meant to be surpassed (i.e. Freeza, Beerus, Jiren, Madara, All for One, etc). Either through communal effort or through personal growth, these characters are fated to be surpassed. 3 - The Superman. I mean, it's in the namesake. This theme is all about the burden of being the strongest. It's better used by heroes (Superman), whether they can maintain their morals or be corrupted. Often more than not these stories will be philosophical in nature, and personally I find it best when the strongest takes a spiritual guide-like role. That said, Meruem is a good example of a villain who falls into this category. 4 - The calamity. These are the Sukunas. Basically, characters that are closer to being forces of nature than just a person who happens to be very strong. They need to be stopped but not simply through effort, but through war. They are sorta like the Ceiling types, but overall it is not a case that the heroes surpass these beings, they SURVIVE them. It's not a triumphant victory. Finally, as a bonus, this doesn't qualify as a theme on it's own, it needs to be a sub-types of either 1, 2 or 3, but a great way to add nuance to your strongest. This is the theme of the "strongest who can't win". Simply put, have the character be the pinnacle of everything, basically omnipotent, but within the machinations of the lore, they fail at all of their goals (or at least nearly all, you gotta give them some good wins at the start to make the strongest title believable). It's the idea that once you have everything, you can't do anything. The best way to do this is to give them goals that can't be met through sheer force - make them win physical battles, but always lose in the grand scheme, lose politically, lose socially, ideologically, etc, etc.

@brigo1744

12 күн бұрын

This is incredibly well written!

@peld5762

12 күн бұрын

The last one sounds really interesting, but I can't clearly imagine it Can you give me some example about this type of characters?

@edgelordsupreme3961

12 күн бұрын

@@peld5762 guts kinda fits that I mean he isn't the strongest but more often than not he wins his physical battles but loses the mental ones

@ggwp638BC

11 күн бұрын

@@peld5762 Gojo is probably the best recent example. He is a power house, but he only collects minor wins and is constantly losing the bigger game. Though it's for a brief moment, I'd also say Gon is within this category. He had all the power of the world but couldn't even properly finish his target.

@theresnothinghere1745

11 күн бұрын

These are some ways to write 'strongest characters' but I would hesitate in saying you have to have one. So long as you can find a way to write interesting conflict from their strength you can make a good 'strongest' character. Saitama for example while he has a bit of overlap with 3 its not really the centre of his character. Yes he carries a burden of never getting an exciting fight but that's just a surface aspect that really only shows up in the very beggining and the Boros fight. Saitama's writing is more reliant on how he affects others he's a paragon hero who's action push the other hero's for the better, something that isn't at all focused on the burden of his strength but rather his nature as a hero. This is why people like King and Mumen Rider have the best scenes with Saitama as Saitama's nature pushes King into heroism and highlights Mumen Rider's actions because Saitama's character center isn't his strength its that his nature as a hero is the prime example most of the other hero's need to meet. Other times you have characters that just are the strongest but have other heavy conflicts that you don't need to build their story around their strength. That can take the form of a goal that will test their strength or a challenge that can't be tackled by strength at all. Of which the latter is done extensively by Mob whoose whole character is built around him being the strongest but having that position not be what defines him.

"The Strongest" in my opinion is so much better written as a sort of force of nature that is disconnected from the other characters; like Saitama funny as it is. He is too strong, so strong that if he cared he would end the show in three episodes tops. This is unlike characters like Gojo like you mentioned, he is too strong and literally needed to be locked in a prison realm for so many chapters just to let other characters struggle. (I will say though, Gojo is not omnipresent, so Gege did allow him to be absent beforehand.) In OPM Saitama is moreso used as a character to write around as someone who is genuinely just bored because he knows nobody can beat him, it makes the writing so much more interesting, and I'm not saying OPM has no flaws in its writing, but the idea that "The Strongest" simply isn't meant to be focused on is so great. Writing "The Strongest" in like Saitama is also a very interesting way to avoid power creep, there is no creep, no endlessly scaling villains (aside from Garou) but regardless, having Saitama exist already forces the writer to not fall immediately into power creeping every single new villain, it lets the other characters and villains have interesting fights.

@ibidknight

14 күн бұрын

"The Strongest" could also be written well as someone interconnected with other characters, serving as a beacon of hope and someone to look up to because of their strength. Like All Might, even if his time as "The Strongest" was short-lived, and Goku, who still embodies strength because of his purity and simple demeanor, even though he isn't even the strongest in his verse. Gojo had a similar phase, being technically someone everyone looked up to and even acknowledged by Sukuna, the King of Curses, but he was ganged up on and met his end. He still had his time as "The Strongest" nonetheless. It depends on perspective, whether one sees strength as a disconnected league that no other character can reach, like what we saw with Yujiro in Baki before Baki started to rival his father, or as someone that symbolizes strength to other characters in the story, like how reanimated Madara proved himself by wiping the Allied Shinobi Forces with upscaled feats that made other characters look like nothing, a one-man army. Saitama is more like the guy in the background, almost nobody started to acknowledge his strength until he destroyed that meteor that even Bang couldn't, and then after the events with Garou, he became synonymous with strength. I'm pretty sure before Saitama proved himself, people had considered Blast and other top-tier heroes as "The Strongest".

@smileyfaceproductions7477

14 күн бұрын

@@asianpersuasion4901 Saitama's nerf is depression lmao

@NegaWarhead

14 күн бұрын

Unfortunately that doesn't last. Not gonna say much else

@bongcloudopening5404

14 күн бұрын

​​@@smileyfaceproductions7477 and supermarkets. But as Saitama once said I usually arive too late, do i really have a hero's intuition? Sure doesn't seem like it.

@xianxiaemperor1438

11 күн бұрын

Reminds me of Yogiri Takatou lol

Still think its more epic to say "Strongest of today vs the Strongest of yesterday"

@MultiSidrat

14 күн бұрын

Agreed. “Strongest in history” implies he’s already stronger than Gojo before the fight even starts.

@ShangusKhan

14 күн бұрын

Idk, strongest in history got a better ring to it. Plus it’s not really wrong, as prior to Gojo Sukuna was always documented in jujutsu history as the strongest there ever was to the point of residents of that era worshipping him like a god

@sqeekeezthehamster1116

14 күн бұрын

but it makes it sound like gojo is stronger

@Fumo-da-Reimu

14 күн бұрын

@@sqeekeezthehamster1116 then just call it "The strongest vs The strongest"

@user-bu9bq8bc5u

14 күн бұрын

@@MultiSidrat”Strongest in history” implies before the modern era. That’s why gojo’s says “strongest of the modern era.” Its past vs present.

Meruem didn't die to disease, he died to radiation poisoning. Radioactivity so powerful he himself became radioactive.

@Akbar_and_Shaa

11 күн бұрын

No its an actual poison

@chriscutler7588

11 күн бұрын

@@Akbar_and_Shaa I just looked it up. It acts like radiation poisoning. He just never explicitly states radiation. "It's a poison that affects you the seeps out of you." From where?! I've only got one gas hole and it's never killed anyone. But thinking of it like the radiation sickness first responders had during chernobyl then it makes more sense. I'm willing to bet the wording is due to some censorship.

@matthewcheung7888

11 күн бұрын

"Radioactivity so powerful he himself became radioactive" Well, yes. That's what powerful radiation does.

@bruurb786

11 күн бұрын

​@@chriscutler7588the gas is what poisonous, all the gas had a chemical reaction inside making the gas a extremely deadly poison

@chriscutler7588

10 күн бұрын

@@bruurb786 what gas? It wasn't a mustard gas bomb. Does it poison the air? Then once it's inside a person they just... Sweat it out and it turns into a gaseous air again?

Honestly I think you should have given Komugi her own segment because her outlook(no pun intended) embodies "the strongest" quite explicitly. She bets her life on every game she plays because she sees herself as worthless if she's not the strongest. It's a level of determination that inspires characters that were 'born' the strongest. We see this juxtaposition a lot when it comes to the strongest. Gojo was born a menace while Sukuna(as far as we can tell) clawed his way to the top. Meruem was born a king while Netero spent 10 years in a field training his art day and night. Beerus is a God while Goku has spent more time training than most animes get episodes.

I think Sukuna is an excellent example of how to do the strongest because he fulfills a lot of criteria that lesser villains fail to live up to. Why is he the strongest? He is the strongest because of his intelligence, savagery, cunning, power, and ability to seize big moments as well as his understanding of jujutsu. Why does he CONTINUE to seek power? Two reasons: he enjoys jujutsu and the different aspects of it, and to maintain his agency. Since he is a hedonistic monster, people will try to stop him, thus he needs to stay ahead in order to maintain that power. But after these fundamentals, Sukuna has a number of contradictory traits that make him seem more realistic (humans are often full of contradictions). He dresses as a monk and yet is hedonistic. He is incredibly calculating, breaking down curse techniques sometimes before they have even been used against him, yet chaotic, picking fights with curses and humans alike. Additionally Sukuna talks tons of shit but never actually proclaims himself to be the strongest (he is in fact called the strongest and honored one by the narrator - Gojo called himself that), and shows respect (or his version of it) to those who entertain him. Sukuna is just an interesting character with depth OUTSIDE of his motive. Which all to often is the only thing villains have going for them.

@keerthan7558

9 күн бұрын

It reminds of of Phantom Troupe from HxH actually, like Gege has also told openly he has taken inspiration from it.

@elainez

8 күн бұрын

@@keerthan7558 Oh my god, I love the Phantom Troupe. And even though this wasn't in the video, I feel like Hisoka has cemented himself as one of the "strongest" in HxH too, simply because he seems unkillable. He has been beat, like when Chrollo killed him, but he still managed to come back to life. He seems to regularly get life-threatening injuries and even dismemberment but still somehow survives. He's there the entire time, mostly one of the villains, sometimes an ally, and you know so little about him that everything he does is enigmatic. He's extremely fickle and sly, and has build up this relationship with the audience that makes us feel like he can't lose, can't die, because he always has a trick up his sleeve. He's not directly acknowledged as one of the strongest, but we can't help but feel he is.

@keerthan7558

8 күн бұрын

@@elainez i agree hisoka has the same ominous feeling around him as sukuna

@Austib_

7 күн бұрын

Hes also an insanely boring final villain

@keerthan7558

7 күн бұрын

@@Austib_ Really? I think sukuna behaves more like a final boss than any other character i've come across. He's extremely cunning, knowledgeable , adapts quickly and strength wise hasn't been undermined as easily and just like final bosses has lot of "gotcha" moments that make it feel authentic and interesting . I really disliked how typical shonens give that moment to protagonist, the hero instead, which is so goddamn boring cause of how predictable that is.

Thank you for not spoiling the mangas on any of the animes you talked about especially JJK.

@Kal-213

13 күн бұрын

Agreed

@redtalon8947

11 күн бұрын

Chapter 236 something REALLY funny happens

@Joey_P_

11 күн бұрын

@@redtalon8947 it’s most likely already been spoiled for me.

@BeyondAbsolute

10 күн бұрын

@@redtalon8947 something even funnier happens in chapter 261

@sennuh5040

5 күн бұрын

@@BeyondAbsolute chapter 262 is even funnier knowing 261 was funny at first

Another character that comes to mind is Whitebeard. He uses his strength to protect others and his found family. Found family being a relevant theme in one piece and specifically that saga. He’s been the bar of strength for a while now. His display on Marineford and the way he died really solidified his place as the strongest. His strength and ideals also serves to put Blackbeard up as Whitebeard and Luffys foil and rival. I think once Blackbeard solidifies his power in the future, him and Whitebeard will be a good contrast for the Strongest archetype.

Broly. Love that he's the Outcast of the Saiyans. Who didn't get spoiled with a peaceful environment like the others. Also having the highest potential and Base Power. Embodies the Strongest Well. He's a Hulk.

@yep1486

14 күн бұрын

and yet he has a gentle nature to him

@powerstar8862

14 күн бұрын

And he destroys Hulk

@billyboleson2830

14 күн бұрын

Since when did the saiyans have a “peaceful” environment 😂. Only Gohan fits that description and he’s only half saiyan

@Girth-rj1xh

14 күн бұрын

Idk I think Z broly does a better job at embodying strength even though he is weaker than super his nature is more sadistic

@mickeybat5816

14 күн бұрын

@@powerstar8862 Tbh he really doesn't. Hulk's got the same issue in vs debates just like any other comic book character, WHICH Hulk does Broly beat? Hulk's exsisted for multiple decades now, do you do golden age hulk? Silver age? Mr fix it? Superior Hulk? World breaker? The four armed hulk that fought and killed the celestials? Demon Hulk? All of these hulks are different hulks yet the same hulk at the literal same time. They're all canon because the entire multiverse is canon, so which one do you do?

I could be clowned on for this, but i think Escanor is a good representation of the strongest. I love the way that his power shapes his pride.

@Marigaming143

12 күн бұрын

Escanor is awesome, he should have been in a better series

@andrewacacia9851

12 күн бұрын

@@Marigaming143 meh the last arcs are kinda messy but 7ds doesnt deserve the hate it gets, the first two season(specially the first one) are actually quite decent

@akechigoro3340

10 күн бұрын

@@andrewacacia9851 literaly my least favorite anime off all time, its true that the start is alright, but it goes from alright to absolute ass very quickly, every single character (exept Escanor, he is just that cool) and plot poit gets ruined and it has some off the worst most convuluted plot twists off all time. In a nutchell, i think it should receive even more hate.

@chadachi3970

10 күн бұрын

@@akechigoro3340 Also doesn’t help the animation becomes god awful and boring, I could at least enjoy watching the early season while being bored af during s3 and later.

@sjdkdkrmdirkfkdm7683

10 күн бұрын

I don't understand why you are clowned for this

Any good "The strongest" character has one rule of writing. Power should not be the identity. The word Gojo remind you of the strongest, but it also remind you of the cool, pretty boy with a massive ego. All Might is the mightiest, but he is also Heroism incarnate, I would go as far as to say All Might is the definitive "Hero" in fiction, but he is also a man broken by the persona he has been putting up. I would say Shigaraki fits this too. He is very much the strongest post S6. But he isn't known for that. He is known for being a villain with massive character development alongside the protag instead of being the classic sitting on a chair already on the top type of villain that's pretty much in every story. Whitebeard too is great example. Strongest sure, but more that than he is a father figure to his crew and the symbol of the old days passing by. Saitama and Mash are the strongest. But again you get reminded also of the comedy (which I'd would say Mash does better) they bring to the story, the plain durpy faces and lack of concern or seriousness. Jiren on the other hand is the opposite. He is a plot wall Goku has to overcome. A very basic backstory with no personality. Beerus again while strongest has personality, aura and his banter with Whis is fun to watch. Also a lot of the characters here have goals that strength alone can't accomplish. All might wanted to be the symbol of peace, but in doing so the world became too reliant on heroes, he was lifting it all by himself and he couldn't it all crashed. Gojo wants to change the ways of Jujutsu, thus he uses teaching. Mash wants to just live in peace with his pops. Whitebeard wants a family. I am writing a story where the MC is the strongest (he still faces challenges but is dominant till first half of the story) but the main issue he has to overcome is his wife's death and , which is a trial that strength can't overcome.

@MegaMachiOnline

14 күн бұрын

I personally think the manga treats Jiren & Beerus better than the anime.

@ajaloncole7559

14 күн бұрын

Name of story

@birb2330

14 күн бұрын

Interesting, I'd be interested to see your story, so you can let us know If you will post It, or you can send us where we can see It.

@Deeznuts-ev1nt

14 күн бұрын

power as identity is a good trope for a tragic character

@johnman8398

14 күн бұрын

Jiren is more than just a plot wall and has a fairly distinct personality, not to mention there's more depth to him as a character than both Whis and Beerus combined. His backstory fleshes out his character and recontextualises most of his actions prior to his reveal. The battle with Jiren is not just a physical challenge for Goku but also one of ideals with him serving also as a parallel to him.

Peak cinema

@animationstudiosa

12 күн бұрын

Ong

@--_-__-_--

10 күн бұрын

Absolute cinema \_O_/

One interesting thing about Gojo and Sukuna which differentiates them in the series is how they use power to solve their problems. All Sukuna knows is power. He rejects love, and when Jogo cries and asks what that feeling is, Sukuna states that he wouldn't know it himself, as he never felt this type of vulnerability before. During his era, when confronted with opposition, his first instinct was to massacre those around him, and usurp his way to the top of the food chain. Whenever confronted with a problem, his one and only solution is strength On the other hand, Gojo, despite being just as strong, doesn't use his power in the same way Sukuna did. Gojo has shown a clear distaste for the higherups and the world of jujutsu, and has even expressed the desire to kill them, very much like Sukuna did to those who ruled before him. However, Gojo stops himself from doing so, and molds the world around him by teaching the new generation of sorcerers to be better. When Gojo gains his full power in hidden inventory, he becomes this unstoppable force. Geto stopping him from massacring the members of the cult that got Riko killed was the event that prevented him from becoming an usurper like Sukuna.

@fridging

10 күн бұрын

hmm, what do u think about it now?

@m4ik0n54

6 күн бұрын

Which is ironic since the recent chapter revealed that he was the one who killed the higher ups now.

One of the things I really like with all might is we actually get to see how the character has to grasp with no longer being the strongest, their burden, their privilege, and where they should or could end up after no longer being so vital. It's nice to see as the strongest is typically only surpassed or killed by the end and those characters don't typically get much to do after by then.

A perfect example of a very strong wrtitten character is Superman, he isnt anime but he is a strong fictional character, and its his character, beliefs and responsibility that make him great, good examples are when he helps the people of metropolis, when he fights his villains but also talks to them to understand them better and the fact that he is hopeful and gives hope to others, and im talkin about the main superman not his doppelgangers from other earths. Its crazy how alot of people hate Superman because of how powerful he is and alos because of the adaptations in movies and shows, and that there are people who prefer him when he is super serious, mostly Snyder fans, but its the main Superman thats the best representation imo

Honestly, i like to think Sukuna as an evil version of Goku. They like to fight and eat and even though they can probably solo like 95% of their respective universes are overjoyed when something peaks their interest and focus in on that interest. The only difference between the two is that Sukuna only cares about himself while Goku cares about others.

That Lr Ssj4 standby Ost goes brrrrr

@shardz2362

13 күн бұрын

fr thats what im sayin

@kingcrimson8550

9 күн бұрын

Nice to see fellow dokkan enjoyers

If we're talking about how to write them, then it usually depends on the story you're writing. Spoilers ahead for multiple stories, read at your own peril. Something as a rule of thumb, if you're writing a story about relatable characters overcoming difficult trials and tribulations, then as a rule of thumb you can't really have the overpowered characters around, really. Like, it's just not going to work, because then you start asking why the character can't just fix every problem. Because either they do and there's no stakes, or they get turned into a plot device and aren't really overpowered anymore anyways. All-Might is a good example of this, as he isn't really around all that often, and had to even be nerfed and limited to a plot device throughout the story. But he still got a few chances to show up super powerful, and wow the audience with the crazy stuff he can do. This is why Mihawk just sails off halfway through Baratie, or why Shanks so rarely appears. Because otherwise they'd just be sitting there, watching, not doing anything, and it's not their story. No, One Piece is the Luffy Show. What you're usually looking for is to make them mysterious and larger than life. They're like a hurricane just walking into town one day. As I said, there's no way to really make them stick around without turning them into a plot device to drive the story forward, as anything they can do that's relevant will have too much affect on the world around them. Hell, even Saitama can't show up all that often. A good portion of One Punch Man is spent with Side Characters and showing THEIR struggles, though do get Saitama's own. He more struggles at life in general, and getting from one day to the next. The Side Characters on the other hand are often seen struggling with powerful monsters and waiting for Saitama to wake the hell up and come move the plot along. But still. Saitama struggles with himself, most of the time. We've seen him express a desire for recognition, which he could easily get by going out and proving himself to everyone until they believe him. But he clearly doesn't want THAT. He wants to be recognized for his heroic deeds. He wants people to notice him for the good he's done in the world, not for the fact that he's a bald dude in a stupid yellow jump-suit with a cape. But nobody does, and that's just ONE of his struggles. As for Isekai Protagonists? There's not much to say really. They have the depth of a puddle, and there's no real struggle. There's no overcoming the odds and they disrespect and clown on everyone who isn't them. They're somehow surrounded by girls even more shallow than they are, and they're not funny nor interesting to watch. Notice how them not struggling rarely comes up? Because that honestly isn't the biggest problem. It's literally everything about those stories. The world building is ass, and often leads to major plot holes, they recycle the exact same magic-video-game-skill system, and I'm tired of it. Now on the other hand, two of my favorites are: "Overlord" and: "So what if I'm a Spider? So what?" Overlord is a great take on it, as what Ainz does is usually very interesting, and he's already surrounded by man level entities at his beck and call. He's careful, and smart, and when faced with a situation he shouldn't have normally been able to handle, he used skills he earned and overcame a difficult situation anyways. You get to watch as he carefully scouts out his surroundings, and confirms that his enemies are no threat to him, until finally he begins to starts using his forces to invade foreign countries. Overlord is great, because there's plenty of depth put into the world building, and especially the world building of the game before Ainz got sent to this world. As for Spider-Story, it's a good example of it being done well, and earned, then falling apart in execution later. Our main character is met with plenty of struggles, and when she does become overwhelmingly powerful, it feels earned, and by then we've already got a majorly built up world that, (Yes it could be a little more creative and have a little more depth, to say the least.) that we care about to some extent and want to see the outcome of. We want to see what happens to our favorite Spider Girl, and how she proceeds now that she is so powerful. I of course have a bunch of criticisms I could level on it, like the fact that by the time you get to where I am, you could give less of a shit about anyone who ISN'T Kumo or Shiro, or whatever she wants to call herself. I mean, Kumo is a GOD at this point, and everyone else has had way too little screen time, and is so utterly below her in power, it's like- You're practically asking yourself when they'll go away so we can just focus more on Kumo? It basically just becomes the Kumo show, because everyone else was so completely underused. I'm sure they could've been great, if they had been given time so we can CARE about them. But no, they just get taken to Magic Evil Hive-Mind Elf-Land, and now Kumo's gotta come out and tell them: "Hey, I don't care about any of you but Teacher-Lady, so go away and give up on being relevant." And doesn't that just suck ass after you practically BEGGED the Author to make these characters relevant, 'cause you're so excited to see them meet up with Kumo at some point. Nah, she just smacks a force-field with the Home-Run Bat from Smash Bros, then fights Elf-Hitler's army of EVIL LASER SEA URCHINS. Anyways, I think that's enough about Spider Story. I've experimented with the use of these characters in my own right, and found what I think are some interesting methods, but I'll only mention one here. The Mary Sue. The story ends up revolving around this character, and a lot of it is written from the perspectives of the characters they interact with, or whom they've majorly affected. They just need to be relevant most of the time, really. I like to write them as an extremely intelligent super-being that can read a person in almost an instant, they can predict people and plan things out potentially thousands of years in advance. They're hyper talented in everything they do, surpassing everyone else as soon as they pick ANYTHING up. This character is powerful, and is impossible to defeat. That's their purpose after all. This turns the character into a larger than life figure, they become an unknowable god in the eyes of others, whether they are or not. Everyone does love them or ends up liking them, either as a person, or for how powerful and capable this person is. But there in lies a horror, in that this character doesn't really care about others in the same way we do. Even the eldest people are like young children that cannot function, nor be reasonably expected to make their own decisions. Your wants and desires are meaningless in the grand scheme of things, and you can never hope to oppose them because they can read you in an instant, and soon enough, they'll probably start predicting every thought you have before you even have it. You're just another cog in the vast machine they're building. And~ That's the end of that. I admit I kind of just started ranting about Spider Story a bit near the end there, but I hope this was informative and helpful for anyone who wants to learn about this stuff. The golden rule is that you just gotta remember that what you're trying to do is make the story entertaining. Doesn't matter how you get there, just that you get there. And luckily for you, there's countless ways to get there.

@depravedsouls9975

7 күн бұрын

you said in a perfect way why most people dislike generic isekai

I think One Piece uses their "strongest" characters very well. Mihawk is used to set up a power/skill ceiling for Zoro to reach and potentially surpass and Mihawk is even aware that making good relationships is a strong part of someone's abilities after he tested himself against Whitebeard but whitebeard didn't need to move or do anything. He even acted as a mentor for Zoro mostly offscreen. Whitebeard is also another great example because despite being in his 70s, terminally ill and having severe health problems showing in the middle of battle he was still a force of nature that all the other top tiers should be wary of. Whitebeard also exemplifies a form of good masculinity. He was an orphan child whose island was terrorized constantly by pirates so he protected the land and eventually went out to sea to become a pirate himself but ironically he used that power to protect. His pirate crew consisted of others who had nothing left or he liked and that became his family of which he is proud of. Garp had very little showings but whenever he does pop up his presence is used to expand on the worldbuilding. He even allows his emotions to take over which earns him the sympathy or empathy of viewers as while yes he's another very powerful guy in the setting he's still a human and tries to do what's best for everyone but not everyone shares the same goals or ideologies so he finds himself in conflict with what he wants and what he should do. He knows Ace is a good person but as a pirate he has to be put down. Garp wants to go against the world government but too much civilians don't know the corrupt nature of the world gov and most people look up to him as a hero so Garp doesn't want to make people around the world lose their symbol of hope and security. Kaido will be the last one I bring up. During his backstory we know life was really rough for him. Kaido got taken advantage of many times and he also ended up grouping with bad people which helped influence how evil he was during the main story. During his adult years Kaido was too strong for practically everyone in the setting and grew unwell mentally (don't want my message to be shadow realmed). His display of powerful was genuinely amazing, he got jumped multiple times back to back by many other high tiers and he dealt with them all admirably. When it came to the final blows against Gear5 Luffy their wishes told more about them than anything else. Kaido's whole life was practically war, and he wanted to make everyone participate in it equally to show their worth because those at the top started but didn't take place in wars. Meanwhile Luffy told him he wanted a world where all his friends can eat. Luffy's wish seamed so insignificant in comparison but it showed why one was destined for evil and the other for good. Kaido by this point was too far gone and was forged by all the bad he was surrounded with while Whitebeard did the opposite despite having similarly rough upbringings. Whitebeard was loved and he also loved others while protecting his land + people. Kaido terrorized and made his crew+civilians of his land fear him. The HxH examples are amongst my favorites and I consider them very well written characters, I personally would have gone more in depth about their humanity as Netero was actually a bad and selfish person while Meruem started off completely evil but grew more humane through his interactions and growing affinity with Komugi. I'm not a big fan of JJK but I can understand why so much people like those two.

@sai_neko_reddy

13 күн бұрын

Your comment encompasses the definition of strong in an almost perfect manner I never found gojo or even sukuna enjoyable as the strongest because they at the end of the day seem like they don't have any actual goal For me strong characters are op but also face challenges to grow stronger which can be anything whether it's strength or in emotional manner or phylospical manner Nice examples though

@Iamconfused229

11 күн бұрын

@@sai_neko_reddy like one piece characters have any special goal. They running after one piece for God knows how long 💀

@harrison549

11 күн бұрын

@@Iamconfused229 me when I'm completely wrong

@Iamconfused229

11 күн бұрын

@@harrison549 ?? One piece defender will accept anything except the fact that their story is mid and streched.

@cucabeludo9342

11 күн бұрын

​@@Iamconfused229 Only one character that OP listed actually cares for the One Piece (Kaido), Whitebeards just wanted to protect his family, Mihawk sought to establish himself in the government to not be persecuted by pirates and marines, and Garp literally is a marine that fight against pirates

This was insightful and helpful, especially since I'm trying to create my own manga in which one character is "the strongest."

I think Sonic is a great “The Strongest” type of character. Because he doesn’t seek fame or validity for being known as the “Fastest Thing Alive”. He may be known for his speed and can boast about it, but that isn’t the point of his character. He is a person that does what he thinks is right, even if it means to slay a tyrannical king to free a kingdom from his reign (yes that happened). He says he can’t be the hero every time, but he will do what he believes is right regardless of what others think. Sonic will go out his way to save a little girls family trapped in a distant cave, even if it means he will fail the mission given to him (he had a time limit). On the flip side, he prevents a land from becoming everlasting, because they are enforcing eternity onto people and the person is experiencing one sided sadness. In short: Sonic may be strong and fast, but he is a great example of how he has his own moral compass. Which is in his own words “I just got to do what I got to do. That’s all.”

Meruem is one of my favorite "strongest characters"

Takamura perfectly exemplifies rhetorical strongest, I think he’s genuinely the best written “strongest” character ever. All of ippo is just amazing

@lagiax9668

11 күн бұрын

Very true

@coyotito2916

9 күн бұрын

Dam I was gonna mention takamatsu but I personally think Ricardo is a better example, he is the strongest by simply mastering the most basic and simple techniques

@JackgarPrime

6 күн бұрын

My man! I just got done writing a comment about how Takamura is perfect for this sort of topic, then I scroll down and see someone else is on the same wavelength. Takamura is such a great example of this archetype because we get an understanding of who he is as a person and why being the strongest means so much to him. We see the lengths he goes to in order to reach the top of the mountain, stay there, and eventually find a newer, bigger mountain in the form of higher weight classes. So his own journey of becoming the true, objective Strongest is still ongoing. But we see how he serves as an example to the other characters, as their gym senpai, their big bro, and as their favorite boxer, even as he is undergoing trials of his own. His strength is influential on others, but he pursues it for his own purpose. Which makes him feel more complete as a character, and it fleshes out the world of the series by showing there's more to it than what's around our MC.

Enjoy the SSJ4 Theme from Dokkan Battle in the background 🤌

@TogamiBruh

14 күн бұрын

It’s a shame man’s fell off hard..

I absolutely loved this video! I learned a ton about some of these characters!

I think The Boxer does this entire concept the best. You should definitely give it a read. One main character is naturally the strongest, but then they meet the second main character that is naturally THE STRONGEST. This is also paired with a third character that is naturally weak, but trains to become really strong. This paired with really well written side characters is one of the best stories I've ever experienced.

This is one of the best videos you have made so far Keep up the good work

I think another good example would be someone like Kenpachi from Bleach. A man who's strength is near unrivalled but is held back by his love of a good fight. He'll hadicap himself to his opponents level looking for as good of a fight as he can get, even doing it without realizing himself. I think it's a fun take on the premise.

@tontj

12 күн бұрын

Bleach way of writing strong character is not good. It just power creep and each time Ichigo get stronger the others must get stronger too 😅

Satisfying tone,amazing editing and well educated on the topic. Deserved a like and subscribe

Saw this video in my recommended and I had a feeling I’d enjoy it and I was right this is a great video def gonna check out more

Whitebeard from One Piece is an amazing example, every brief moment he appears there is no second of a doubt that he is the strongest, and during Marineford war every single handicap he was givin like being old, sick and betrayed was believable in showing how he lost, he was never done dirty and his impact of his actions and the results of his loss were felt even HUNDREDS of chapters after Marineford.

Yoriichi is probably one of the best displays of (the strongest), gave me chills 🥶🥶 when I was reading the manga and watching the anime

Really well written video and I loved the editing style, reminded me of playing a video game/gave me a sense of nostalgia. Definitely will be subscribing for more!

Fantastic commentary and amazing production values 👏👏

A very interesting topic and a very well written essay

Im rlly surprised nobody is talking about kisho Arima , dude was a antagonist and the father of the MC at the same time , he is my fav example of " the strongest" in all of fiction

@cherrypie9356

10 күн бұрын

My very first thought, super well written and in my favorite manga oat

@mist3325

8 күн бұрын

YESSS i was waiting for him to mention arima. He really is written beautifully

@euthanasia9930

2 күн бұрын

Or Renji. I always liked a lot how he'd just show up in Touka's way.

@cherrypie9356

2 күн бұрын

@@euthanasia9930 its more cause hes her uncle rather than anything about the strongest lol, but still a great character

I feel like how Ippo is progressing he could be the ultimate point of "How to Write "The Strongest""

For HxH Tserriednich feels like a new example of the strongest or well the most potential, someone so unsurmountably talented that anything is but a blink of an eye for him, maybe thats why his nenpower is what it is, and in this case it isnt framed as a good thing or aspirational or a worthy enemie but as a ticking time bomb, someone so strong that when they become "the strongest" it may truly be over, someone so strong that his growth being held back is the number 1 mission to all who know, truly freakish

With how much effort you put into these videos, you deserve far more

I’m writing a character that is going to have one hell of a character arc, they will go from the strong and powerful mentor character, to the near unstoppable villain. And no this isn’t self promotion I just wanted to pitch an idea to others

@ant-onio4543

14 күн бұрын

Yo that sounds awesome!

@stripschicken87

14 күн бұрын

Yo tell me when you make this bro!

@TonyPepperoni9212

12 күн бұрын

I have a similar dynamic in something I'm writing, I love the idea!

@zacclippard3383

11 күн бұрын

What it going to be called? I want to read it

My favourite "strongest" characters were Meruem in HxH and Tachikawa in World Trigger. Meruem was born the strongest and stayed the strongest while Tachikawa is acknowledged by everyone (including Jin, who can see into the future) as the strongest by sheer skill alone as well as the highest points in all of border.

Lina Inverse from Slayers is pretty interesting. I don't actually know much about the complexities of her character too much as I only watched the anime as a kid, but I remember it always being so cool not knowing when she would pull out an absolute nuke of a spell to completely vaporize her enemy. She also kind of has that air of goofiness and humility, like Saitama.

Hanma Yujriou from Baki is kind of interesting; I think he has a lot of similarities to Sukuna--he's not a complete "villain" and does things and makes valid points that are relatable sometimes, but other times he'll just do whatever the heck he wants because he's the strongest, without repercussion because everyone in the world, even governments, have decided that they can't beat him and even have treaties with him, and thus also just accepting of what he does, but he still has his principles and morals, some of which are respectable.

I feel Hao Asakura would be a really fitting example too

3:50 One thing i like about Gojou is how everyone reacts to his sealing, i'm not talking about his friends but the other sorcerers, they were like "The Jujutsu Society is over" that was insane

Best video so far,you cooked for this one.

An interesting take on the concept I'd say would be Saitama from One Punch Man. Without question the strongest character in his verse but, completely overlooked because of his amateur/low rank in the hero association. The few who truly understand his power respect and, to a large extent, fear him. In some of the earliest episodes he is concerned about not being recognised but quickly develops the philosophy "I''m a hero for me. I save those who need my help because its my duty, not because of praise or status" which I think is so intriguing.

I feel like someone who can also be described as the strongest is yorichii from demon slayer as he was known as the strongest in the verse and even though we didn't see many feats, it's quite clear that he is

I would love to see u do powerscaling videos so entertaining fr finna foloow

Such an amazing analysis

Bro forgot Saitama

@EpicGamer-df6nj

Күн бұрын

I get it but at the beginning he explained why some characters would be left out

@Bronyfur05

19 сағат бұрын

The thing is that Saitama and the entire one punch man series is a parody of its own genre, so he is awfully overpowered as a joke

good job with the video Also maybe you could do which mc could pass the chunnin exams?

@TheSaladBar

14 күн бұрын

Thanks, but I still haven’t read Naruto lol

@abhinavanand7750

14 күн бұрын

@@TheSaladBar 😶🫡

@nonope1715

14 күн бұрын

Madara could’ve been an addition here, he’s definitely effectively displayed as the strongest but left kishimoto written into a corner by his own admission.

@nonope1715

14 күн бұрын

Yujiro from baki as well is an…. Interesting… take on the trope

@nirjhar4803

14 күн бұрын

@@nonope1715 Yujiro is a great addition to the trope... Even though I dont like Baki's powerscaling in general.

One kind of strength I've always loved is the kind that poses a paradigm shift for the entire series, my favourite example being Arima from Tokyo Ghoul. His first fight with Kaneki, and his first show of power in the series, has some of the most brutal manga panels I've ever seen, his indifferent and imposing disposition as he butchers Kaneki, who seemed to be near the top of the food chain, with ease is both utterly terrifying and strangely elegant. The way he speaks to Kaneki, almost coming across as sympathetic, highlights their vast difference in skill while also giving insight into the kind of person he is. This scene and their rematch in :re are probably my two favourite scenes in the whole series, Arima's relationship and parallels with Kaneki and the burden that he carries alongside his immense power is conveyed beautifully with Sui Ishida's artstyle and makes him my favourite character in the entire series

I think that Medaka Box has a ton of fun with this archetype.

I think Ichigo Kurosaki is a great example of a "strong" character, his flaws are what makes him special and the entire series shows different ideas of "strength" and what each idea of it means is tied to certain characters in relation to him, most of Bleach is beyond surface level stuff and it never gets the praise it deserves like Naruto, One Piece, or Dragon Ball..

@doodgoi9102

14 күн бұрын

What are ichigos flaws? He feels like the same character from start of series to the end of tybw with the only thing changing is his power, but even that gets stale in relation to Captains, then Arrancar, then Aizen, so on

@raheeljamal1642

14 күн бұрын

@@doodgoi9102Him blaming himself for killing his mother,having the guilt of not being able to save his friends especially when yammy hurt orihime,not being able to recognize and only realize later on what white had been telling him all along and much more,at least read the series before yapping lmao

@doodgoi9102

14 күн бұрын

@@raheeljamal1642 I read the whole series beginning to end and I'm here to tell you that if a character has recurring problems through various arcs, it's not development but lazy writing. And further Ichigo doesn't develop over time, the times he supposedly learns and gets better is over the course of a couple episodes rather than through an arc or the series as a whole. There's multiple reasons Bleach got cancelled as an anime and didn't get adapted until now, and it's apparent because TYBW got possibly some of the best animation treatment and it still doesn't top any charts. This is coming from someone who continued reading through the manga back when the original was cancelled. When you compare it to any of the greats like One Piece, Naruto, DBZ, etc. you'll notice the others almost always have the MC as most popular and 2-3 others that also are popular, while Bleach generally does not have that and focuses on hype and aesthetics of the whole cast. It's not bad but don't act like Ichigo is a well written character.

@doodgoi9102

14 күн бұрын

@@raheeljamal1642 and you proved my point in your comment, he blames himself for his mother because he wasn't strong, so he got stronger and got over it. He blames himself for yammy hurting orihime because... He was weak, so he gets stronger and gets over it. Remember Rukia? Ulquiorra? Aizen? Fullbring? It's all the same thing. White and Zangetsu are the only saving grace to his character.

@raheeljamal1642

14 күн бұрын

@@doodgoi9102 How are those recurring problems,they are completely different in thier own sense, it's not lazy writing in the least lmao it slowly develops to be what it was at the end of cour 1,ichigo takes trinkets of his heritage to get over problems through various arcs and doesn't just get over it in one eps like you said it did,that literally doesn't happen,each arc from SS to Arrancar to FB to Tybw is proof of that,him becoming strong to overcome his problems doesn't discredit his character in anyway,it travels along him developing as a person and needing to get to know himself well that that power is born,because his genetics are one of the core points of the series,also Bleach topped the charts with cour 1 even beating CSM and cour 2 only got shadowed by JJK and frieren which are two of the most hype series rn,the anime wasn't cancelled,they stopped because they caught up to the manga,the plans to animate tybw were already there in 2017 when the manga ended,there are recordings of the staff lmao,talking like "Zangetsu and White are the only saving grace"when they quite literally are one the best inner demon trope done best in animanga,you really moving the goal post huh

I think my favorite "strongest" character is ironically Mob from Mob Psycho 100, who pretty much goes against every notion of being "the strongest", which I think makes him super interesting and unique.

JJK is very interesting for showing both sides of how "the strongest" can be written (and pulling off both very well, IMO). Setting aside the, y'know, powerlevels in-verse: Gojo is "the strongest" in how he serves as a beacon to others, and feels the responsibility to use his strength to better the world, knowing there are things which are valuable beyond himself and will outlive him. Uncle Ben would be proud. Meanwhile Sukuna is the completely self-indulgent side of being "the strongest," to the point that it's implied that attitude is at least a big part of how he became so strong. Gojo feels the same urge for self-indulgence due to the distance between him and others, but resists it - Sukuna fully embraces it. He allows himself to be a force of nature which the world around him simply bends to, or is destroyed.

@GuyLogen

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Gojo is arguably the most interesting character in JJK. Removing him from the series makes it less interesting. Sukuna & Geto are close second but Sukuna feels like hax most of the time nowadays whereas with Gojo, because you saw his progress and limits, he is that much more compelling as "the strongest" character.

Meruem: Tell me, Pouf. Do you really believe that there is anyone here who can stand against me?

alien x from ben 10 is a big example of how not to do the strongest lol

It's nice to see saladsaiyan get this many views on a video and truthfully I believe this channel a couple years from now or so will far outmatch saladsaiyan's main channel on quality db what ifs in both viewcount,relevency and subscribers . (Please if you ever see this years from now and this ages poorly don't bring it back up and if it doesn't age poorly however and you do repost I told you so.)

One of the greatest things about gojo in jjk is almost every powerful character is evil. Because of the way the world works in jjk people who are bad are almost always the strongest. Gojo is the antithesis to this because he uses his absolute power to directly oppose the philosophy of the powerful.

I'm surprised the Man who did it before Gojo wasn't here the man with all the aura the man who's literally called the God of game himself Sinbad a walking symbol of Strength in magi wasn't here But All these other characters are very good examples of the strongest as well

@anusaukko6792

14 күн бұрын

If you wanna know who did it before Gojo and Sukuna, that was the dragon emperor Ryuga.

@faizissa8617

14 күн бұрын

Sinbad was definitely the strongest

@christiandior9835

13 күн бұрын

And arima from tokyo ghoul

@anusaukko6792

13 күн бұрын

@@christiandior9835 The Arima glazing in the manga was unreal, definitely on the same level as most characters who are The Strongest. Bro really had random grunts calling him a literal god lmfao

the strongest characters can be good, like gojo, they need depth, story, drawbacks, unlike someone like anos

I think the key to writing "the strongest" character, is that their very presence shapes the world around them. All might gojo yujiro are excellent examples. Their presence/absence has tilts the world and the story in a certain way. A minor example would be yamamoto from bleach, he is seen as the linchpin of the shinigami organisation. His death marked more than the changing of the guard but a level of desperation in our heroes that actually hadnt been seen at any point. Now that their strongest weapon had been annihilated. The heroes had to cut deals with former criminal and unleash powers they were uncertain they could put back in the bottle metaphorically speaking

Gojo's character hits deeper than ever after chapter 261.

Escanor from Nanatsu no Taizai is a well-made OP character imo

FOR THE ALGORITHM 🗣️

@TheSaladBar

14 күн бұрын

You get it ☝️☝️☝️

Benimaru ìs an excellent example of the strongest. Its made plain from his introduction exactly what his character is and it provides good reasoning for why he doesnt use his power to meddle in the story unless it directly impacts him or those he cares about. The universe he exists in all know hes the strongest too and it provides equal parts of some of the best levity and tension in the story when hes involved.

Bait used to be believ- IS THAT THE RED MIST????

In a webtoon called hero killer The 9 strongest characters are called elders We have seen just a fraction of their power and it changes landscapes They don’t even feel human They’ve been around for so long and have so much political power from simply being strong Victoria is the best example She is the poster child of the hero clan (the faction that rules the world) and she pretty much just acts as a force of nature that does things entirely for her own amusement She could have killed the mc multiple times with little or no effort, because the mc is a villain, she doesn’t kill her because the mc is extremely entertaining to her She can only do all of these things because she is the most powerful (minus exactly 1 person shrouded in mystery)

we’re forgetting one bald man that one punches everything 🤔

@jafsjafs8820

13 күн бұрын

Still a fodder character. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@danielonyt716

10 күн бұрын

@@jafsjafs8820 he clears everyone in this video💀🙏🏽

@kiratwo4u

3 күн бұрын

lol db fans literally hate thus show 😂

@jafsjafs8820

3 күн бұрын

@@kiratwo4u cry and cope more kiddo. even in fan made manga that character is still fodder. a krillin or yamcha victim. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@kiratwo4u

3 күн бұрын

@@jafsjafs8820 I'm shivering my timbers old man 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺

Great Analysis :)

I think a fun exploration of this would be Takamura from Ippo. He's generally portrayed as the Strongest, and is literally ranked as such when he wins a world title. But we are with him constantly outside of his fights, and we see how his personality informs his drive to be at the top of the mountain. We can also see how he compares and contrasts with our MC, Ippo. Being The Strongest in a more realistic world centered around sport also can mean different things than in a super high fantasy battle manga. But he serves as a great example of a character who serves as a goalpost for others, while still having his own goals he reaches for beyond those who look up to him. A great example of "there's levels to this" and how to use that to give even more depth to the world of the series. In fact, even for him, there are further levels that can be reached. So far, he's reached the title all the way up to the Super Middleweight class. But there are still bigger weight classes to be conquered. So even he has bigger fish in the world, like how Takamura himself is a bigger fish to Ippo and other characters.

Where is cirno

@kindertak5396

14 күн бұрын

0:46

@ShubaSayori

14 күн бұрын

@@kindertak5396(she doesn’t actually qualify, her entire bit is that she claims she is the strongest lol)

Princess Celestia and Discord from My Little Pony are also great examples of this. Celestia being one of the few Alicorns in existence, the second (though technically 7th) user of the Elements of Harmony, the bringer of the Sun and a God to everypony and to some other races that dwell in Equestria. Although she doesn't do much, she's the mentor of the main-character, the only one to MANUALLY raise and lower the sun (until the final season), and is consistently praised and revered by every pony wherever she goes. Discord, being the embodient of Chaos and Disharmony surpasses basically EVERYONE in the verse (excluding special cases) due to his chaotic magic and nature, as he's able to snap away any problem the main character's team could encounter. And it's because of this that he knows he's the shit and that unless it's really a do-or-die situation, he'd take the backseat and give the main leads moral support so they can gain the confidence to face hardships on their own accord without relying on Discord.

@user-rc2ww7hh6i

14 күн бұрын

W FiM poster, discord fits that’s description well but Celly kinda stops feeling that way post season 1

W video man , subscribed for more great content

I really enjoyed this.

the ones that i see that fit the most of the title of the strongest ( in their respective verse) gotta be gojo and meruem and all might gojo: he is the only person of the gojo clan that has the six eyes and the limitless technique, he is so strong that even everyone in his own verse admits that he is the strongest ( even the villains ) the only people that gave him close to death experience was a heavenly restriction user that literally was following his every move so he can land a sneak attack while he was thinking he was safe ( young gojo was strong enough to be a special grade even without mastering his limitless techinique to the fullest) and the second person that got him close to death experience is literally the strongest sorcerer in the heian era that was lusing LITERAL FAT PLOT ARMOR ( gege was going a lil gaygay on sukuna) and with all that he STILL didnt kill him ( read the latest manga page ) meruem: meruem is the literal definition of FUCKING BUILT DIFFERENT, like BRO WAS TOYING WITH NETERO WHICH WAS KNOW AS THE STRONGEST HUNTER, like imagine you send the strongest hunter to fight this guy and you see meruem literally going at it with netero WITHOUT EVEN HAVING A NEN ABILITY, and post Miniature Rose was just a different beast, like i am convinced if meruem didnt die from the after poisen of Miniature Rose he would be too op that why he was writen to die from plot all might: all might is not know just for being the strongest in his verse but also the greatest hero bc of his kindness and his good superhero like personality and even after him losing his ability he was still helping his student and other heros, but if were talking about prime all might... he was just a different beast, bro literally said it himself "in my heyday i'd have taken five good punchs tops" that him when he was fighting a nomu that was LITERALLY made to fight all might and EVEN in his weaker state HE LITERALLY CHANGED THE WEATHER WITH A SINGLE PUNCH, that alone should tell you how TANKY that nomu was and HOW FREAKING OVERPOWERED all might was in his prime

@gangstagummybear3432

14 күн бұрын

And Netero as normal without setting the conditions in place for gaining that power wouldnt have been any kind of match for the royal guard even, which were beastly characters in their own right, actually no one should have been able to compete with the royal guard, I still think the Gon power gain was bs, and un-earned.

@sdgamerdz1115

14 күн бұрын

@@gangstagummybear3432 ngl i disagree with you on that one bc netero literally slapped the goofy out of pitou in less than a fraction of a second ( and pitou is second strongest royal guard after youpi ) tho still proves how strong meruem is, to literally have someone like pitou to just give their life for him to live so he can reach his full potential ( btw the gon power was earned ngl bc gon after gaining that power literally looked like a freaking burnt pickle so the drawbacks of his power is kinda understandable since old gon is literally what gon would have become if he kept being a hunter, and he gave up the future of being a hunter just so he can avenge kite and lost his ability to control nen in the process and keep in mind, nanika the literal being that can kill meruem if someone just wishs for it, couldnt bring back gon's nen abilities when she healed him)

@gangstagummybear3432

14 күн бұрын

@@sdgamerdz1115 That wasnt really Netero as far as im concerned, Netero did the same thing that Gon did in order to gain power, originally the true Netero said without question Pitou was stronger than him, the real Netero tried to flex his power to that one underling ant to see where he stands in comparison to the king, he wasnt even impressed with the real Netero he said before he even gets to Netero, he would be obliterated by one of the Royal Guard ants lol. I am not impressed by Netero, Pitou wasnt in the least bit hurt by Netero's attack, so he can keep his no damage flashy move, good for him, the hunters best be glad the ants did get to truly get a handle on their nen abilities, imagine that the ants were all probably less than 6 months old, I couldnt imagine had they had even another year to develop their powers more.

@sdgamerdz1115

14 күн бұрын

@@gangstagummybear3432 netero did not use gon way of gaining power he only used that only when he used the zero hand atttack his final move, and you gotta remember, this is old netero, netero himself said his prime was double his current state in other words, prime netero probably could have gave meruem a run for him money alot better then old netero, and that "flashy move" was literally so netero could separate the strongest royal guard ( pitou was the strongest before youpi's transformation) from the king so he can fight him without needing to waste time on someone like pitou, i would call it more of a burst of aura slap rather then an actual slap to damage pitou

@gangstagummybear3432

14 күн бұрын

@@sdgamerdz1115 Your headcannon is incredible bro, one way or another the ants even at the levels under the royal guard if they trained as much as Netero would be gods to the hunters, like i said these ants were all very young, and just discovering their nen powers, the ants anyone defeated were all pretty much babies lol. I also think a great many of yal undercredit Pouf because he didnt have alot of seemingly raw power destructive power displays, but the thing about it is that there was a point that people should have seen that he is alot stronger than anyone wants to think, Pouf gave most of his power to Meruem when they revived him, he sent a fragment of himself, just a piece and ran into the newly powered Killua, Killua with his new lightning ability hurt that one fragment, but that was just a fragment of a Pouf that had already given his powers to Meruem, i simply think the guy never had a reason to truly show his power, the guy got hit by Meruem after he absorbed more power and was still able to stand, he was stronger at that point than when he first hit Pitou, Pouf had a different mentality than the other royal guard ants, he was plotting and scheming more, more calculated, able to keep himself cool and level headed alot more, heck scared as Pitou was acting of Gon, Pouf didnt seem to be scared at all of him

The "strongest" title dnt really pair well with goku

If you’re willing to cover video games then I’d recommend Kessler’s character from Infamous if you’ve played those games. His relationship to the main character, Cole MacGrath, is so incredible that I really don’t want to spoil the reveal.

good video, new subscriber

this video feels more like pointing out examples of strong characters and summarizing their story instead of an actual how to

Awesome analysis, I enjoyed it a lot! I’m curious on your opinion on Yujiro Hanma as “The Strongest Creature”!

well i'm early, gotta pack some popcorn for the rest 🍿🍿🍿

Your voice is so relaxing 😢

nice video essay

On my way to watch the Meruem video cuz I drool at analysis' of the chimara ant arch. Just wanted to ask if you could do more analysis on the do's and don'ts of different things, like weakest characters, hero, villain, goal/dream, mabye even how to do a good death scene which I was curious about just the other day. Love the content, especially the jojo in jjk one

Great video keep up the great work, i saw the pinned comment and yeah i was wonder why you didn't name drop saitama he's a good example of a great strongest character.

That Allmight artwork in the thumbnail looks wild

Great topic to discuss. To offer my 2 cents, i agree with the Beerus take and wanted to add that possibly why he doesnt work as the archetype is because, contrary to the other examples you gave, he doesnt have an equalizer or fitting rival. Like you said, a “win button” because there isnt anyone who could challenge that. Even the “strongest” archetype needs that nemesis, one that almost the same archetype as a rival to give that strength a purpose. Example of this is Yamamoto from Bleach. We got no personal backstory for him, and He lost againts Aizen, but because Aizen planned ahead and sealed his zanpakutou…yet Yamamoto showed his physical prowess and proved why he was at the top while still loosing. the same went againts the quincies… only being beaten by the literal final Boss. You can be a well written “strongest” character without a backstory or reason why, but have a context that makes it important or relevant, and the equalizer rival gives that or enhances it. All for one vs All might another perfect example.