How To Write Great Magic - No Way Home, Harry Potter & God of War

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Nobody talks about the most effective way to write magic into a story. In this video essay, I break down what it is, and how you can use this technique yourself by analysing some popular films and games.
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0:00 - Intro
0:48 - A Recap of No Way Home's Plot
2:04 - How Magic Enables Great Character Arcs
7:16 - Why Do We Remember Myths So Well?
9:30 - Why Are All Myths Fantasy?
12:34 - The Hidden Meaning Of Harry Potter's Magic
17:57 - How The Collective Unconscious Relates To This
19:04 - Why God Of War's Magic Is Genius
22:01 - Why Magic Is An S-Tier Storytelling Device

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  • @TheCloserLook
    @TheCloserLook2 жыл бұрын

    I hope you enjoyed the video! If you don't know, I run a discord server where we chat about writing our own stories plus our general love for good movies and games. You're more than welcome to join our community by clicking this link: discord.com/invite/aJpYPQX Looking forward to seeing you there! - Henry

  • @lonjohnson5161

    @lonjohnson5161

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would be surprised if you aren't familiar with Jordan Peterson's Maps of Meaning. The ideas in this video are the same as some from his 2017 lecture series, but presented in a more entertaining way. If you aren't familiar with the Maps of Meaning, I can only conclude that you are very well read in subjects from mythology to Jungian psychology.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lonjohnson5161 I haven't checked out maps of meaning yet. it does look interesting, but I just kind of watched a ton of youtube videos on the topic and learnt from those.

  • @DeeKay819

    @DeeKay819

    2 жыл бұрын

    I just want to say that I enjoy your positive videos a lot more than your more “ranty” ones. I find it more interesting (and better for my soul) to hear about things that you like and that inspire you, instead of more negative videos. So cheers to you, I hope you keep it up!

  • @gasbag1699

    @gasbag1699

    2 жыл бұрын

    i just got to the part of the video where the final empire series was mentioned and i have just been reading the series and you mentioned it

  • @FelisImpurrator

    @FelisImpurrator

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lonjohnson5161 I'm gonna be honest... I gave it a look and found Jordan Peterson's argument to be an incoherent mess soaked in quasi-mysticism and rather little being said in quite a lot of flowery language about dragons. As someone who actually has extensively studied philosophy, sociology, mythology, and literature, I found it remarkably unimpressive.

  • @MaxWelton
    @MaxWelton2 жыл бұрын

    They did it. They managed to write an ending more depressing than Infinity War’s. To clarify, as soon as we recovered from the shell shock of that ending, we understood that “they’re gonna come back, right?” There was an expectation that this disastrous outcome will be undone. No Way Home doesn’t establish that. It sets a new permanent status quo for the character. No one knows who Peter is and he has to live with that for the foreseeable future. Dude is alone in the universe.

  • @robadob55

    @robadob55

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dude paid huge costs for his decisions

  • @thesardonicpig3835

    @thesardonicpig3835

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's interesting, my own interpretation of the ending was much more optimistic - after the scene with MJ in the café, I just thought Peter decided this was the wrong time to make his move. He realises he's a complete stranger to her now, and overloading her with his whole story at their first meeting would have scared her and put her off. So he puts away his paper and walks out. In my mind, there's no reason for him to assume she would be happier without him - particularly since she made him promise to come and find her after Strange's spell erased her mind. But if he is going to rebuild his relationship to MJ, he's going to have to do it gradually - and to me, his realisation in the end isn't that he has to let MJ go, but that he has to take his time.

  • @iceman90734

    @iceman90734

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thesardonicpig3835 Considering that her clothes changed and she doesn't know why but she put on the necklace Peter gave her...I agree that he is probably just going to take his time(also indicative of his growth as a person)....because if he does come back into her life, it looks like he will be able to rekindle the fire

  • @MaxWelton

    @MaxWelton

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@thesardonicpig3835 New Rockstars pointed out that MJ is still wearing the Black Dahlia necklace in the end. That may be why Peter decided to wait, as it’s a sign that even though her memory of him is gone, some part of her deep down still loves him. This would corroborate your interpretation and my hope for the next movies, when I hope Peter will eventually reach out and get Ned and MJ back in his life, them being the last remnants of his former life. Even though NWH technically has way lower stakes than IW, it hit me more on a “it’d SUCK to be Peter” level. It’s tragic on a more human, personal level, whereas it’s really hard to imagine living in a world with 50% the usual number of people.

  • @kwow3233

    @kwow3233

    2 жыл бұрын

    Kid's got no way home

  • @storysurgeon5922
    @storysurgeon59222 жыл бұрын

    A common misconception when writing magic is that you can do whatever because magic has no rules. But the magic in virtually every well-written series is defined by its rules that maintain immersion. The moment you break an established rule with the excuse of 'because magic' you will have broken the audience's immersion

  • @ChibsterofNurgy

    @ChibsterofNurgy

    2 жыл бұрын

    What are the rules that are maintained in Harry Potter or LOTR? I'm genuinely curious.

  • @da_quatch

    @da_quatch

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is why Brandon Sanderson's magic is on another level

  • @americanodude

    @americanodude

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ChibsterofNurgy there really isn't any, it's just relatively consistent. Harry Plopper is a world suffused with magic, so most anything seems possible. When someone says certain words, a certain action occurs with magic. Fairly mundane, but there are plenty of other "magical" happenings in the series that don't use words. LOTR is also fairly freeform. Gandalf can't just disintegrate saulron with a word or blow an army off of a cliff, but he can do inhuman things. He feels grounded and has limits, unlike a character like Tom Bombadil. Tom seems to be able to do anything, but I don't really mind because he was shown to be more of a primordial force. LOTR is good because it has a great story and the magic is not overwhelmin, it just adds spice to the story. It's more that the magic isn't over the top and it doesn't solve every single problem. There are more "limits" to the magic rather than established "rules". I tend to disagree with OP's opinion on "good" magic. Rules are secondary and less important than the consistency and the fantastical nature of magic. Avatar: The Last Airbender is a good example of that for me. Before The Legend of Korra came out, the magic was an unexplained, innate part of the world and some people. It was fantastical and consistent, it was special. Then TLoK came out and explained every aspect of the universe and turned it into something so boring to me.

  • @esbeng.s.a9761

    @esbeng.s.a9761

    2 жыл бұрын

    Magic only needs rules if it is used to affect the plot. Like think of a Gjubli movie like House Moving Castle, all the magic importen to the plot is told/shown while everything else is left opent ended

  • @7gromojar

    @7gromojar

    2 жыл бұрын

    This kind of magic is called hard magic. There's also soft magic. It is more mysterious and audience doesn't know how it works.

  • @AnimatorThe
    @AnimatorThe2 жыл бұрын

    As long as writers respect their own magic systems rules, then it’s fine what the magic can do.

  • @KamiAnimeS1

    @KamiAnimeS1

    2 жыл бұрын

    facts

  • @KamiAnimeS1

    @KamiAnimeS1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also another thing that people need to understand. Let’s say we got novices in magic they know the bare minimum. Say something like this I never knew you could do that with magic. And something gets done without their knowledge. I don’t see that as a bad thing as long as it’s explained. What if it’s not there comes the bad thing. We get that a lot of people saying that’s all Retcon. Even when they have the explanation. Also if those novices become masters. Because you always have people that do things better than you or no more than you because they live longer especially in stories. Basically just has to fit into the world and has an explanation.

  • @caelcdye9575

    @caelcdye9575

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@KamiAnimeS1 A big part of the problem is when someone just happens to learn something at a particular point in time to solve their problem or when it’s so far detached from the limits of the magic system shown thus far. It doesn’t feel right if it just comes out of left field to solve the main character’s problem. At least with the Phoenix you see it before hand and the Phoenix is a popular icon in a lot of fiction and the concept of a Phoenix healing someone isn’t exactly new. It doesn’t feel like it was invented for the sake of the protagonist and the world doesn’t revolve around them.

  • @KamiAnimeS1

    @KamiAnimeS1

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@caelcdye9575 yup I really want to talk to you more dude

  • @shill7852

    @shill7852

    2 жыл бұрын

    Don’t say that. You’re going to scare people who defend the Star Wars sequels

  • @just_delta-2589
    @just_delta-25892 жыл бұрын

    Just wanna point out that the phoenix in Chamber of Secrets wasn’t a Deus Ex Machina. A Deus Ex Machina is something that comes out of nowhere with no previous mention or explanation that solves the main problem or all problems in the story. Since the phoenix was shown and mentioned, with its abilities being explained early on (the tears healing powers), it is instead a form of Chekhov’s Gun. Where in a story if a gun is mentioned early on, at some point, that gun must be used in some way. Otherwise you’d just be wasting the readers time explaining this gun to them.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's a fair point. i chose the wrong term.

  • @just_delta-2589

    @just_delta-2589

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook It’s all good, just felt like popping up and saying it so the mistake doesn’t get repeated. I love watching your and many other KZreadrs analysis and breakdown videos to help further my knowledge of storytelling. So make no mistake, you have taught me so much more than I could hope to give back in a single comment, thank you

  • @knightsabre7

    @knightsabre7

    2 жыл бұрын

    I kind of feel like you're both sort of right. It may technically be a Chekhov's Gun, but it also *feels* Deus ex Machina'y because Fawkes just shows up out of nowhere, with no indication that Dumbledore knew what was going on, or Harry ever requesting its help.

  • @toribiogubert7729

    @toribiogubert7729

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@knightsabre7 I agree with you, it van be viewed as deus ex machina, but Dumbledore really hammer it up during their conversation that phoenix are extremely loyal and if Harry needs help Fawkes would help him. At least in the books the whole stuff is well foreshadowed, but I can see the likes of Cinema Sins "ding" it as Deux Ex Machina.

  • @lacavernedug33k

    @lacavernedug33k

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, the phoenix might not be a Deus Ex Machina in and of itself, but him appearing out of nowhere to save the day is, as nothing explains beforehand why he could have been here. In fact in a sense it is very close to the origin of the word because, if I remember correctly, it comes from ancient Greece where they would use machines to make an actor appear out of nowhere, as the phoenix did

  • @monkewithinternetaccess6107
    @monkewithinternetaccess61072 жыл бұрын

    I’ve always loved magic systems. In a story I’m working on, magic is harnessing the power of gods and other spirits for your own purposes. If you wish to learn minor, harmless spells, go ahead, anyone can do it with enough practice. But if you want to become truly skilled in magic, you must combine this magical essence with part of your soul, essentially passing on ownership of your soul-fragment to whatever god controls the magic you’re learning. To become more skilled, you must give up more and more of your soul until there’s nothing left to give, and the gods have absolute ownership of you forever. This makes for a nifty allegory for sacrifice and consequences, and also serves as a convenient explanation for why not everyone is an all-powerful wizard, it’s rarely worth it.

  • @EddyTheMartian

    @EddyTheMartian

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dope concept

  • @arenkai

    @arenkai

    2 жыл бұрын

    You should look into The Poppy War's magic system ! It's basically what you're working on, minus the part where everyone can use basic magic (well... Technically they can, but arcane knowledge has been hidden from the general population because it's too dangerous if left unchecked) In this world Shamans can call upon the power of gods and let them use their soul and body as a vessel. Keeping control is extremely hard, and the power itself is rarely worth the destruction it can bring if the god decides to let loose. And of course, each god has its personnality.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a fun system!

  • @luigiconder6113

    @luigiconder6113

    2 жыл бұрын

    Funny thing that its actually like that except that its never worth it...

  • @stefandinus7701

    @stefandinus7701

    2 жыл бұрын

    You could do something quite interesting here: due to this search for ultimate magical power resulting in an inevitable servitude, rather than having the villain be the one seizing godly magical power, have it be the hero seizing it to stop the villain, and treat it as a sacrifice. Hero's freedom for the greater good. I think it'd be cool at least

  • @MenacingBanjo
    @MenacingBanjo2 жыл бұрын

    23:33 "The fact fantasy can allow itself to be so detatched from reality, allows it to scrutinize our reality with a level of exactness that a non-fantasy writer would envy." Very well-said.

  • @hannagee7
    @hannagee72 жыл бұрын

    I loved the segment about the basilisk being a metaphor for fear itself. Simply incredible. Now I want to watch the movie again...

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks. Glad you found it interesting!

  • @Ramsey276one

    @Ramsey276one

    2 жыл бұрын

    The third F... WOW

  • @tiagocidraes2390
    @tiagocidraes23902 жыл бұрын

    The version of the story of Midas you tell here is a later version in the original version he doesn't turn his daughter to gold, and Dionysus didn't simply turn it back when Midas showed regret for his wish, he led him to a river and told him to bathe in it so that the water would wash his gift away.

  • @oscarstandidge7917

    @oscarstandidge7917

    2 жыл бұрын

    Then he gets goat ears for being rude to Dionysus and everything goes wrong for him again.

  • @tiagocidraes2390

    @tiagocidraes2390

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@oscarstandidge7917 donkey ears and it's because he's being rude to Apollo, saying Pan won a music competition against Apollo when everyone (including Pan) agrees Apollo was the better musician

  • @oscarstandidge7917

    @oscarstandidge7917

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tiagocidraes2390 Thanks for the correction

  • @misuvittupaa8068

    @misuvittupaa8068

    2 жыл бұрын

    Actually

  • @spiceyicey

    @spiceyicey

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tiagocidraes2390 he wasn't even being rude he basically just went "nah there's no way pan lost that," and then apollo was like "oh you must have donkey ears" and bc apollo's a god boom he got donkey ears

  • @_MadRat_
    @_MadRat_2 жыл бұрын

    I believe Full Metal Alchemist pulls it off in a great way. When the magic of alchemy has an unbreakable rule - equivalent exchange. You cannot pull something out of thin air, it has to come from something. You can't conjure a stone spear, you must have stone to transform it into a desired shape. The most brutal example of this rule was when the main heroes wanted to use alchemy to revive a dead person. The spell consumed their flesh, ridding one of a leg and arm, while the other lost his entire body and had his soul transferred to a set of armor to survive. Magic. Has. Rules.

  • @Cobbido

    @Cobbido

    Жыл бұрын

    FMA breaks its own rules.

  • @rhetiq9989
    @rhetiq99892 жыл бұрын

    Peter trying to rebuild his life from scratch might just be one of the most difficult things these characters could possibly overcome in their lifes. I only wonder whether the spell that erases people’s memory of him also erases every shred of physical and/or virtual document that proves his existence

  • @theroyaljules39

    @theroyaljules39

    2 жыл бұрын

    It probably does. At the end we see that he’s studying to get his GED, which means there’s most likely no record that he ever attended Midtown

  • @privatemantis1547

    @privatemantis1547

    Жыл бұрын

    They show a class pictures he was in and his face is now covered by one thing or anothwr

  • @bunchofcds2300
    @bunchofcds23002 жыл бұрын

    This put into words something I couldn't explain for years. I've been writing stories since I was a kid, and sci-fi and fantasy are by far my favorite genres in writing, which is exactly what my current story is based around. I didn't realize that I was doing this until I saw the video all the way through, but I'm looking back at the story that I've made so far and I'm realizing that I did exactly this. The story I'm working on covers a "truth" surrounding trauma and mental demons, and I'm realizing that the magic I have set here reflects that much more clearly than it would have other wise. The collective unconsciousness is stronger than I thought it was.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wow, that's mad.

  • @bunchofcds2300

    @bunchofcds2300

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook It really is!

  • @Dreadjaws
    @Dreadjaws2 жыл бұрын

    _"When I name dropped King Midas I bet that the majority of you had no bloody clue who the man was. His name didn't ring a bell for you."_ Well, that's an insane lack of faith in your audience. King Midas is easily one of the most recognizable names in Greek mythology. His name is probably more known by the general public than that of Hephaestus or even Icarus, particularly considering how his tale has been told as a bedtime story for kids for decades, probably even centuries, so you don't even need basic knowledge of Greek mythology to know his name. "The Midas touch" is literally a common idiom. I mean, come on, man.

  • @anonymyus7007

    @anonymyus7007

    Жыл бұрын

    my entire knowledge of greek mythology and story tropes comes entirely out of youtube and even ***I*** knew who king midas was :C (granted I first heard of the myth on Once Upon A Time)

  • @JC_923

    @JC_923

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree. I have no idea about the two names you mentioned and yet I know about King Midas from textbook in school. And I'm from Vietnam. King Midas is definitely one of the most well known names and stories in mythology.

  • @eluemina2366

    @eluemina2366

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm Nigerian and I 100% agree. Also, I know those two you mentioned! 😉

  • @ajjtheamazing5615

    @ajjtheamazing5615

    Жыл бұрын

    I knew about Midas way before I knew anything from Greek mythology. In fact the myth being greek is actually a recent discovery for me

  • @mikeexits

    @mikeexits

    Жыл бұрын

    I personally knew the name of Icarus and the wax wing story, and I knew of the concept of a character wishing everything he'd touch turns into gold, but I didn't know the name Midas was connected.

  • @matityaloran9157
    @matityaloran91572 жыл бұрын

    15:27, it’s not actually a Deus Ex Machina, Dumbledore revealed earlier on that that Fawkes’s tears had healing powers so Chekhov’s Gun would require them to be used at a later point in the story

  • @chrisblanc663
    @chrisblanc6632 жыл бұрын

    I love that you got me to think about why I remember the king Midas story so well when I hear other stories every day. After all king Midas isn’t really a great story. It’s really fairly bland. Yet we remember it because of the underlying truths behind the story. In other words the “foundation” that the story stands upon is memorable. Bringing it to stories today, I suppose that is why a movie like morbius is currently getting so much flack. It has no message. It’s clearly only trying to help set up a spider-verse for profit, but has no lasting message. Compare that to iron-man 1 which set off the mcu. The message of the movie is responsibility, and change. Tony took responsibility for his weapons getting in the wrong hands, but he starts the journey to fix his wrongs and change as a person. From there the mcu could be born because the underlying message of its flagship film was strongly connected to a powerful message.

  • @gamerstheater1187

    @gamerstheater1187

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's why I love Dark Knight villains, their messages are "work hard and work smart to be strong"

  • @plzletmebefrank

    @plzletmebefrank

    2 жыл бұрын

    ... shouldn't a story and how good it is be judged primarily on the truths it explores and how well it does?

  • @chrisblanc663

    @chrisblanc663

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@plzletmebefrank yes that was what I was saying. The more connected to truths that humans identify with the stronger it will be. It also has to be well told. Think the Iliad, or don quixote. Their strength lies in their message. It’s also well told. Compare to a blockbuster with explosions, like pacific rim. There’s a reason some are remembered, and others are a summer flick.

  • @MageBurger

    @MageBurger

    5 ай бұрын

    @@gamerstheater1187 For Joker, while that may be one way to interpret it, his smarts to me were just a means to his end. The Joker describes himself as 'an agent of chaos', but chaos can just mean a bunch of drunk night club parties with the occasional fight (as stereotypical as that may sound). I saw the Joker as essentially the representation of what it would look like if someone were to, within human and real world limitations, find the most bombastic ways to destroy any sense of order as wide as possible. Rob a bank, take down mobs, kill a few, threaten an actually well-received political candidate, put the police on a wild goose chase... all the while having no motive anyone can trace to you. And the films' sole intent was to portray how a civilisation would react to their own destruction by a force no real life power could really control, except by refusing its terms after finally understanding the contract.

  • @FengNirothar
    @FengNirothar2 жыл бұрын

    Mistborn is definitely one of my favourite series ever... And the follow-up, the Wax and Wayne series, is almost as good, and maybe even more enjoyable

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    I only finished the first 3 mistborn books a month ago, I'll definitely check out Wax and Wayne soon.

  • @asmahasmalaria8596

    @asmahasmalaria8596

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thought so, too, and then I read The Way of Kings.

  • @TheSolidSystem

    @TheSolidSystem

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@asmahasmalaria8596 Stormlight is required reading for fantasy fans I believe.

  • @treyvonervin745

    @treyvonervin745

    11 ай бұрын

    I loved the Stormlight Archive by him. It got me through months of a really mind-numbing job just listening to that book series everyday, and I only got like halfway through it.

  • @briangruenewald7536
    @briangruenewald75362 жыл бұрын

    You’ve single-handedly given me a greater appreciation for my favorite Spidey movie, my favorite HP movie, AND one of my favorite video games I’ve played in recent years. Thank you so much, Closer Look :)

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    No problem, you have good tastes.

  • @wt5098
    @wt50982 жыл бұрын

    Love the Mistborn shoutout. I read the first trilogy recently and was seriously mindblown by how good it was. Brandon Sanderson is really a master at the craft and understands good story telling. I completely agree with you that great stories have to have a message they want to convey and tell.

  • @joshuaspruett
    @joshuaspruett2 жыл бұрын

    I think it’s also important to define Magic as a broad term as well. Everything, Everywhere, All At Once is a good example. It’s not magic per se, but unrealistic science. That film utilizes universal truths as well. This concept that no matter what the people we truly love do, there’s no place we’d rather be than with them. Perfectly explained through this new ability to literally be anyone, anywhere, in the infinite multiverse.

  • @dan.jmallia6070
    @dan.jmallia60702 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see you do a video essay on the His Dark Materials show, there's a lot I think that can be discussed in terms of writing, it's also a pretty solid show overall, also am I the only one still patiently waiting for TCL to reach 1 million subs to see his first screenplay?

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh I did promise that once, didn't I? shit

  • @4amlibra

    @4amlibra

    2 жыл бұрын

    No, you are not the only one waiting, trust me. @@TheCloserLook Yes, yes you did. 👍🏻

  • @ineednochannelyoutube2651

    @ineednochannelyoutube2651

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’m still waiting as well. @Thecloserlook, your days are numbered.

  • @peanut3438

    @peanut3438

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook When you promised that in your video I actually said out loud “Noo don’t do that to yourself!” Now that said, you could use it as a great learning tool, compare it against your current knowledge, and inspire new writers to keep learning even when they’re frustrated

  • @nerd_1356
    @nerd_13562 жыл бұрын

    To make great magic you need one thing, consistency! This can make or break Fantasy/Science Fiction :) Also NWH was great, just wanted to say

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    The cardinal sin of writing magic is to break a rule you established earlier. If you give someone a certain power, people will always ask from then on "Why don't they use their magic here?", and if there's no good reason, you've lost your audience.

  • @nerd_1356

    @nerd_1356

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook couldn't have put it better myself :)

  • @EddyTheMartian

    @EddyTheMartian

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook that’s what the MCU has constantly done post Dr. Strange lol, including in this movie.

  • @hephsforge9236

    @hephsforge9236

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EddyTheMartian I mean, of course they wouldn’t just mind wipe a being that threatened to destroy half the universe. That just makes too much sense. The only way was to have him be successful and fix it all after the fact. Otherwise most of this phase wouldn’t exist.

  • @erdood3235

    @erdood3235

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook good reason depends. The Owl House hasn't lost fans because episode 8 is a comedy centrist episode with a body swap spell that currently never brought up again

  • @gamerstheater1187
    @gamerstheater11872 жыл бұрын

    I am working on a world where basically my magic system is messy, there's multiple forms of magic, gods, and other things and I can't find a way to put it all together :(

  • @heisenbergdad9225

    @heisenbergdad9225

    2 жыл бұрын

    My biggest tip is to make sure that everything is simple and easy to digest. Most franchises suffer from giving you too much to digest at one, just keep it connected concise and logical

  • @idontunderstandmemesplshel6198

    @idontunderstandmemesplshel6198

    2 жыл бұрын

    Do you think you can take some of the forms of magic and connect them to a god?

  • @VdeBeltran

    @VdeBeltran

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hellofutureme have videos on the theme

  • @9051team

    @9051team

    2 жыл бұрын

    I guess starting from one basic rule that unites them all helps. Mana is required, it is the fuel source. From there you could branch out. Eg: Unfocused raw mana is inefficient, painful and weak, it is the most primative form of magic. (many monsters use this) God's provide a way to process raw mana into specialised mana that allow certain schools of magic and is the second earliest form of magic. The archmages discovered methods to focus raw mana into usable and more efficient forms without needing to rely on God's. Obviously this puts them at odds with God magicians.

  • @hammy7784

    @hammy7784

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@idontunderstandmemesplshel6198 a cool example of this is bloodflame magic in elden ring. Basically whenever you use it you are cutting into a formless god and using her blood.

  • @rafal.zbojak
    @rafal.zbojak Жыл бұрын

    7:54 - I don't know if it is a different schooling systems thing, but Greek and Roman mythology was one of the first thing you learned back in my school days. King Midas' myth, sword of Damocles, Pandora's Box, the tragedy of Oedipus were primary school material.

  • @aisadal2521
    @aisadal25212 жыл бұрын

    Heck yeah, I love lessons about writing magic! It's always a _magical_ experience when you get into it 😉🤣 In all seriousness, I do appreciate magic lessons, since it always helps me innovate my own vision of magic in my stories 🥰

  • @colorcoated
    @colorcoated2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve always loved good magic systems that have a lot of thought put into them. The magic system I’m working on for a story is based around microorganisms that can change based on the will of the one casting magic, and also the microorganisms connecting to the very soul of people and giving them powers based on who they are. I’d like to think I’m going with scientific reasoning behind many things in my magic system. I try my best to look at how things could work in my world. Magic is the be all end all in my world. Your videos have helped me so much with making almost everything in my story work together. Your videos are giving me so much motivation to write and I’m struggling to find the exact words to say next to really express how grateful I am for finding and enjoying your videos

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. It makes this all worthwhile to know even one person finds this much value in what I make.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    And good luck with the story! A microorganism based system sounds like a really creative one!

  • @colorcoated

    @colorcoated

    2 жыл бұрын

    @person person well sort of but not really. Midichlorians are more limited, fewer people can use them to their full potential, they have the same bag of tricks as everyone else, etc. In my story, it's magic that has fused to the very soul and gives people magic that would compliment them, and these can evolve as the person matures. An example would be the protagonist, as they go through more fights, an ability that heightens reaction speed, which would be a rank 3 ability out of 4, isn’t enough and they evolve to have a foresight to react to attacks that haven’t been thrown out yet.

  • @jarmoliebrand2005
    @jarmoliebrand20052 жыл бұрын

    Magic isn’t the only unrealistic plot device that can be used to enhance the story. Fantasy and sci-fi are, in my opinion, gateways to talking about things that are very real and sometimes even taboos. It gives you more freedom to talk about real things as a core, with the nice, flashy and unique touches that come with the genres. I’m Dutch, so I don’t know how this is outside of the Netherlands, but it frustrates me most literary genres aren’t being taken seriously. We can pretty much only read novels. It all feels limited and similar. Fantasy and sci-fi can be about things that are just as real as novels can do. The fact that there’s magic, dragons, spaceships or whatever else there might be doesn’t make the story unrealistic. Only the setting is unrealistic but that’s a good thing as it allows you to discover a new universe, set up your own rules and that you can bind the story’s themes to your setting, allowing for more freedom and symbolism. I’m planning on writing books myself and if I can write in an engaging manner, I hope the next generation doesn’t just have to read novels for school.

  • @alldayhyperdude6441

    @alldayhyperdude6441

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hi, I share your frustration about the fantasy and sci-fi genre not being taken seriously. So I was wondering if you were planning to write stories in Dutch (I'm from the Netherlands as well) and how you view language in fantasy and sci-fi stories. To be honest, I read all books in English (with the exception of when the book is original written in Dutch). And I've found that Dutch is a difficult language for fantasy, imo English sounds and feels more richer and better in these genres. But that could be because most movies/stories are written and published in English.

  • @funsometimes
    @funsometimes2 жыл бұрын

    Note for myself in the future: A great story explores a truth. 8:22 Symbols like in Chamber of Secrets and God of War reveals as a secret yet crucial element to great story telling.

  • @aurthurpendragon1015
    @aurthurpendragon10152 жыл бұрын

    To be fair though, at the end of No Way Home, Peter kind of looses everything. He doesn't have material wealth, but he also doesn't have any loved ones anymore either. He's basically alone right now. He has nobody. I'd argue that the true meaning of No Way Home's plot is the self sacrifice required to be a hero. Because it's true that he did learn a lesson, but at the cost of loosing everybody that meant anything to him, so it's not like he could learn to appreciate them more, unlike the story of King Midus.

  • @thefatagentkid3907
    @thefatagentkid39072 жыл бұрын

    I didn’t expect NWH to be on the list of great magic

  • @hephsforge9236

    @hephsforge9236

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same… especially considering how world-breaking the magic is in the grander scheme of the MCU. Though in the way being discussed in the video I totally get it. Was the most Spiderman-like story the MCU has done ngl.

  • @subhuman8945
    @subhuman89452 жыл бұрын

    I *adore* the King Midas analogue here. I think almost anyone concerned with creativity will inevitably wrestle with the reality that not every idea can be worth its weight in gold. And I think the worst art is produced by those who operate under the presumption that any idea THEIR mind touches IS turned to gold, no matter what.

  • @DanCreaMundos
    @DanCreaMundos2 жыл бұрын

    I loved this video. You've a great way to explain and analyze everything, and I'm really glad you've made more content oriented for writers and not mostly for movie fans.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, I definitely want to double down on more writing related videos going forwards.

  • @DanCreaMundos

    @DanCreaMundos

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook glad to read that because I'm a writer myself and I really enjoy this kind of content, writing is pure freedom where you can create whole universes inside a drop of water.

  • @shannonsnyder3439
    @shannonsnyder34392 жыл бұрын

    PLEASE Do Everything, Everywhere, All at Once when it comes out!! (watching it in theaters is the best way to watch it). Love your work!!

  • @calebcarpenter3700
    @calebcarpenter37002 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for mentioning Brandon Sandersons books, masterpieces truly

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Stormlight's one of my all time favs.

  • @calebcarpenter3700

    @calebcarpenter3700

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook same 💯

  • @zantosender3348
    @zantosender33482 жыл бұрын

    There two types of people. The ones who spend weeks to months to years painstakingly crafting a complex magic system and closing the hundreds of plotholes it creates. And then there's most of Hollywood, who have this to say: "Ooh, magic! The Do-Whatever-I-Want Button!"

  • @princesseville6889

    @princesseville6889

    2 жыл бұрын

    And the "oh snap this is a twenty year old franchise with like 300 writers and noone can contain that mess anymore" kinda thing lol. Looking at you Elder Scrolls, Naruto and stuff... everything is magic and it can do anything, but everyone always does magic differently, confusing even the hardest of fans.

  • @Rivfaader
    @Rivfaader2 жыл бұрын

    I really loved this video, brother. I think there should be more videos on exploring why all the old stories work, even through their contrivances. I think that is something that has been missing the last few years, and is the heart of the problem of why western cinema has been falling off.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    I do love mythology, I might find a way to weave it into my videos more.

  • @gamerstheater1187
    @gamerstheater11872 жыл бұрын

    This is going to be really helpful for my world :)

  • @tomasbedoya2901
    @tomasbedoya29012 жыл бұрын

    I would be staggered if you managed to find that even a third of people watching this video didn't know who King Midas was by name before watching it.

  • @raymondshiner1046
    @raymondshiner1046 Жыл бұрын

    I loved what you said about the most captivating stories being the ones that tell us truths and inspire us to live better. My favorite TV show is Adventure Time. Yes it's dumb and silly and colorful and it aired on cartoon network, but even as an adult watching that show helps align me how i want to live my life. The ever present themes of contentment and love that are throughout make it my favorite show of all time, as opposed to something like spongebob (which i also enjoy, just not nearly as much) which is just colorful and dumb and funny..

  • @thedudeabides3138
    @thedudeabides31389 ай бұрын

    You can be really proud of this essay, it’s brilliant, well done. Huge amount of work on the editing too, matching image to narration, very impressive.

  • @Alejandroigarabide
    @Alejandroigarabide2 жыл бұрын

    Well, I don't have any magic in the book I'm writing but you made me realize something. There's a part where my main characters make an improbable escape and I wasn't confortful with it, but by adding a consequence to pay (like Peter Parker's identity) it will seem less deus-ex-macchina. Thus, that improbable escape will now cost the life of one of the main characters (he was going to die later but I can rewrite that).

  • @impithezuluwarrior7858
    @impithezuluwarrior78582 жыл бұрын

    Yes! I needed this for a story

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good luck with it!

  • @impithezuluwarrior7858

    @impithezuluwarrior7858

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook Thanks 😁

  • @jalapenoofjustice4682
    @jalapenoofjustice46822 жыл бұрын

    really part of No Way Home was Strange's fault for not sitting down to have a discussion with Peter before casting the spell

  • @princesseville6889

    @princesseville6889

    2 жыл бұрын

    Everyone always made fun of Peter for being so young and thus immature, why would a legit medical doctor not talk about the risks and rules of something like that with him? That sounds stupid... Doctors, probably especially the magic ones love that shit....

  • @FelisImpurrator

    @FelisImpurrator

    2 жыл бұрын

    The other thing is that Peter didn't even do anything wrong besides being impulsive. It was basically a total accident, because the point was that Mysterio's goons literally ruined his life and the spell could have worked just fine.

  • @matityaloran9157
    @matityaloran91572 жыл бұрын

    2:59, Nickelodeon’s animated children’s television series Danny Phantom ended its second season with the episode Reality Trip whose plot was driven by the title character’s secret identity being exposed but which ended with exactly what you just described happening

  • @luqmanhafiz455
    @luqmanhafiz4552 жыл бұрын

    always loving your breakdown and commentary. Keep up the goodwork!

  • @gandalfthegrey7146
    @gandalfthegrey71462 жыл бұрын

    So glad Brando Sando is finally getting the mainstream love he deserves.

  • @hugosteffen1729
    @hugosteffen17292 жыл бұрын

    The same happens with Ron in the forbidden forest, as he confronts his biggest fear, spiders (mostly being dragged there by Harry of course), he is rewarded a free escape tool in the form of the magical car coming back to save them. It’s not a perfect example, but I think it still works quite well

  • @HumbleGrzy
    @HumbleGrzy2 жыл бұрын

    I think something interesting that supports the point is that the more lines Peter tries asking for, the more unstable the spell gets.

  • @jessiejsamson
    @jessiejsamson2 жыл бұрын

    I love when you do these kinds of essays. I learned so much! Please more like this.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, i will!

  • @saucefor7461
    @saucefor74612 жыл бұрын

    I'll say this Dr.Strange in No way home was really the victim of Disney writing, the power levels are off, the first spell felt okay because of the runes but man just casts a universal memory wipe easily without the runes at the end..... I personally couldn't accept it , no consistency with the characters power levels and just used as a plot device

  • @prince_nox
    @prince_nox2 жыл бұрын

    As much as I agree with everything else I gotta' call out the Chamber of Secrets plot contrivance thing, can't name any off the topic of my head but I've seen a bunch of people complain about the phoenix stuff, so there are definitely people who didn't like it XD

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh really? Lol, nevermind. But yeah, JK rowling could have probably laid a stronger forshadowing for some of those story beats. It wouldn't have hurt to do so.

  • @generalgk

    @generalgk

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook Definitely. There’s like one quick scene that exists solely to set up Fawkes and his tears and it feels so cheap and lame.

  • @prince_nox

    @prince_nox

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook oh damn I did not expect a response, that's neat. Love your videos mate : )

  • @matityaloran9157

    @matityaloran9157

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ok, though the roosters all being killed is noticed as is Ginny panicking about the chicken feathers on her. And the Basilisk is described as fleeing from a rooster’s crow. And that’s before Harry’s battle with it. So the extent to which it’s un-foreshadowed is exaggerated. And Dumbledore introduces Fawkes while mentioning the healing powers of Phoenix Tears.

  • @peoplelikegames
    @peoplelikegames2 жыл бұрын

    An absolutely wonderful episode!

  • @zuko9085
    @zuko90852 жыл бұрын

    Agreed! Mistborn is amazing! The magic system and how it grows or our understanding changes throughout the series.... And it all just fits together so well.

  • @hellohsaytin6813
    @hellohsaytin68132 жыл бұрын

    People talk about the phoenix plot device in the chamber of secrets all of the time. Not only does the phoenix come in and gouge out the basilisks eyes, but how did it get down there in the first place? What happened to the wall of rocks that ron couldnt get through? And then after harry gets bit by the basilisk, the phoenix happens to have healing tears that are the only thing that can cure basilisk venom? Then the phoenix just scoops them all up and flys out of there? I mean, im a huge harry potter fan, but damn. That book should be called Harry Potter and The Chamber of The Plot Device 😂

  • @GalaxyCat404
    @GalaxyCat4042 жыл бұрын

    This is my favorite video so far I love this analysis and validating the need for magical stories

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, glad you liked it!

  • @bobkare47
    @bobkare472 жыл бұрын

    Greatly enjoyed the video, but am I the only one that noticed how excited he sounded?

  • @catcolour444
    @catcolour4442 жыл бұрын

    Big thumbs up man, you just gave me an avalanche of wonderful input for the essay I'm writing rn, so, thanks a lot! Keep it up man, you're awesome!

  • @lelouchvibritannia3613
    @lelouchvibritannia36132 жыл бұрын

    You believe very few knew king Midas? I highly doubt that. (Based on nothing, except I have a feeling people have been told this story in school like I did and I never forgot his name)

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh many people definitely know the name, I just said MOST people don't know the name, but they remember the premise of the myth nonetheless.

  • @generalgk

    @generalgk

    2 жыл бұрын

    I definitely think most people that know the myth also know the name

  • @henrychipperfield8359
    @henrychipperfield83592 жыл бұрын

    Really interesting ideas here, which I agree with strongly. I really like the narrative descriptions you touch on, but I'd also like to raise some criticism / some things which the "brilliant" NWH magic did: Basically, why on Earth does Doctor Strange have a massively different power level depending on the movie? Like are you seriously telling me that the man who defeated Doormamu by literal force of will can't simply handle a teenager? Really? Maybe you would've thought he could've planned this out a bit? Again, I still agree that it serves as a great setup for a cathartic ending, but it was massively overshadowed for me by the ridiculous "logic can be what we want it to be" moments in the film.

  • @ghosty2548

    @ghosty2548

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think you simply look at the result of that fight more than fight itself. In the fight itself at start Strange used a simple move he used for everyone but Spider sense got in the way. Later he used mirror dimension to both have more control over him since he knows more about it and after a certain point he wins. He neither had to hurt Peter and got the box. That's where this critisizm baffles me because Strange won and he thought Peter can't do anything now. I mean what anybody expect Peter to do in this situation. Accept defeat? Simply try to attack Strange? Well he did neither he looked at his surroundings and used it to do an attack let me tell you no one can simply predict. That's why he won. Strange already thought he won and his underestimatation on him became bigger and Peter did a move no one can thought of. It both estabilished more grounded rules to mirror dimension in a way too instead of making it a simple spectacle. Which is really cool. And about Dormamu. Strange never beat him. He outsmarted him sure but if your idea is "If he can outsmart Dormamu no one can outsmart him" well then you are wrong. Espacily when what Strange did was a lot more simple than what Peter did.

  • @nonameyet_7786

    @nonameyet_7786

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ghosty2548 You're right about Strange's powers, but there are still some mayor plot-holes concerning the magic that are really bothersome.

  • @deanshine5201

    @deanshine5201

    2 жыл бұрын

    Strange had no intention of seriously harming Peter. He’s holding back the entire fight. Most of the time Strange fights in the mirror dimension, he fought by twisting it to suit his needs. Peter using the apparent randomness of the dimension against him was something new. Not to mention entirely unexpected from a kid that was put into a situation like this for the first time. Strange underestimated him , he was surprised at how Peter could control his astral form

  • @connerpeterson1119

    @connerpeterson1119

    Жыл бұрын

    Saying he defeated Dormamu isn’t quite what happened.

  • @lanalan4157

    @lanalan4157

    Жыл бұрын

    Strange wasnt trying to harm Peter.... He didn't really defeat Dormammu... You are wrong on both points.BTW Spider-Man is not just a teenager..

  • @KevinRothert
    @KevinRothert2 жыл бұрын

    YES! Mistborn! I just got caught up on era 2. Love those books! Also, I am so glad for this video. I've been spinning a video idea around in my head for a while now about why hard vs soft magic is the wrong question. Amazing video!

  • @Zinc_Nitrogen
    @Zinc_Nitrogen2 жыл бұрын

    Amazing video👏👏. Not only have you explained why magic is used in fantasy and how to use them well but you also explained the importance of a story's depth

  • @sumitapaul1379
    @sumitapaul13792 жыл бұрын

    I don't know if it counts but Fullmetal Alchemist brotherhood also uses magic (well alchemy) in a great way... The rule of equivalent exchange established once is never broken and that is one of the reasons it's so great... Great video 🌸🌸🍀✨

  • @HalfTangible
    @HalfTangible2 жыл бұрын

    6:15 The original version of this myth doesn't even have his daughter exist. In fact, it's far more comedic, because the god he asks for a boon is Dionysus, god of drunken revelry. A god who is hesistant because EVEN THE EMBODIMENT OF THE DRUNKEN PARTIER KNOWS WHAT A BAD IDEA THIS IS. Midas isn't so much greedy as he is dumb as hell. It's one of the few examples I know of where the original myth is LESS dark than the modern tellings.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Really? That's intersting, I love the contrast of even the party god knowing it's a bad idea. But that only presents an even more interesting question, because why did the myth evolve from that to being the one it is today? Maybe that version didn't capture the truth perfectly enough, so the story gradually changed as it was retold until it ended up being the refined story we know today.

  • @HalfTangible

    @HalfTangible

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook The core idea of the myth remains ("pursuing wealth at the cost of all else will lose you everything else"), but in the more modern telling it's framed as a tragedy. My guess is it's to make the message of the potential consequences clearer, tho personally I prefer the funny version. The only consequences he gets in the original myth is needing to run to Dionysus for help and bathing in a river until his powers get washed away. King Midas was originally a well-meaning but dumb, comedic character; he did a dumb thing, got consequences for it, and begged Dionysus for help (and apparently the myth is used to explain a river filled with electrum, which is a detail I really like). And then in a later myth proceeded to insult Apollo and get donkey ears for his trouble...

  • @FelisImpurrator

    @FelisImpurrator

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheCloserLook Or perhaps... It was because people wanted to impose more rigid moral beliefs that were created over time, beliefs that were historically used to reinforce the idea of social hierarchies as natural (mortal and god, commoner and king, woman and man, and so on). As such, older myths that stemmed from other traditions, in this case likely the philosophical school of hedonism, would have been syncretized and adapted to a new religious school of thought... But that's just speculation on my part, building on the things I've studied about religious transformation over time and the use of moral philosophy as a tool to instill obedience to authority (as with Plato and the concept of the Noble Lie). It's just a thought to consider.

  • @paulieluppino1856
    @paulieluppino18562 жыл бұрын

    12:08 -The Closer Look: "I implore that you loose your social life" -Me: "What social life?"

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fair enough 😂

  • @munashemhungu3219
    @munashemhungu32192 жыл бұрын

    When he said but you remember the story of everything turns to gold my jaw dropped

  • @kintsuki99
    @kintsuki992 жыл бұрын

    The tale of Midas shouldn't his clothes have been turned to gold as soon as hr got his powers? Shouldn't thr whole building turn to gold as soon as he steped on the ground? Shouldn't all of Earth be gold?

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's a fair point to be honest.

  • @damonwright608

    @damonwright608

    2 жыл бұрын

    Perhaps the magical transmutation ability only extends to his hands (or even just fingertips). It's never explicitly said in the story(ies) but it would be consistent with the results he experiences. That would prevent the scenario you (very logically) laid out.

  • @clonedvarient4154
    @clonedvarient41542 жыл бұрын

    As an individual who's developing a magic system I just defined a few simple rules. There is conjure and manipulation, healing is relative to your intelligence and magical prowess and there are no deus ex machinas. Magic is a utility, not a solve all. Making restrictions has made it alot more fun to work around those rules in creative ways without breaking them.

  • @EddyTheMartian

    @EddyTheMartian

    2 жыл бұрын

    💯💯💯

  • @roswellxo9214
    @roswellxo9214 Жыл бұрын

    Finding this channel as an aspiring writer was a godsend. Thanks for the great content, and I’m saying this after watchin 2 of your videos!

  • @Maerahn
    @Maerahn2 жыл бұрын

    Yaay, happy to see the shoutout to the Mistborn series! If I'm honest, I enjoyed the second era (with Wax and Wayne) more than the first, but since I read things out of order anyway (started with the first Wax and Wayne novel, then jumped back to The Final Empire) it was nice to get a deeper insight into some of the references dropped in The Alloy of Law by reading about their source in the earlier books.

  • @masroorahmadbani1712
    @masroorahmadbani17122 жыл бұрын

    The magic in Dr.Strange is amazing and for me, Dr.Strange is a great film, top ten for sure.

  • @thunder8987
    @thunder89872 жыл бұрын

    People who say nwh is so good just because of nostalgia they are so wrong. I believe one of the most important things about story is to have a struggling protagionist. Peter struggles a whole lot.

  • @sonoio869

    @sonoio869

    2 жыл бұрын

    And i belive that even more important it is the presence of a plot, that movie doesnt have it

  • @eelmimbo
    @eelmimbo2 жыл бұрын

    I was just thinking I wanted another closer look video! thank you

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    No problem, I hope you like it!

  • @Figgy5119
    @Figgy51192 жыл бұрын

    I love the way you talk. If my teachers and professors had narrated a lesson as passionately as you do, I would have absorbed every thing I was ever taught.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm humbled you think so highly of my stuff. I've often been told there is no such thing as a boring topic, but there is such a thing as a boring teacher.

  • @Charolette21
    @Charolette212 жыл бұрын

    Here's my take: If Peter was wise, it wouldn't be him letting the runes complete as intended, it'd be him not immediately resorting to magic to gaslight the entire universe just because his friend and girlfriend can't get accepted into college. As for Midas: His mistake wasn't making the wish, it was what he wished in particular. Dionysus was like "Dude, you sure about that? Don't you want to try another wish?"

  • @resstie

    @resstie

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, Midas' wish taken literally was a bigger problem, also reminds me of how wishes worked in Interstate 60

  • @ProcesifyYT
    @ProcesifyYT2 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been watching you for a while now, and I can’t express how much I appreciate you for all the great content you provide us with! thanks for inspiring me to start my own channel ❤️

  • @HarCoolReviews

    @HarCoolReviews

    Жыл бұрын

    Yep, this channel explains films and TV with so much detail and clarity.

  • @miss_bec
    @miss_bec2 жыл бұрын

    Your videos are so fantastic because of how effectively you lay out and deconstruct everything in the video for idiots like me to understand. Genuinely some of the most valuable content on youtube, it's incredible that I don't need to pay for this.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm humbled you think so highly of my videos. Thank you.

  • @oyashirosamabrasileiro
    @oyashirosamabrasileiro18 күн бұрын

    i love Tom's peter and his growning as a character, we first see him in civil war just months after losing uncle and while he already learn from his Uncle Ben's phrase "when you can do the things that i can but you don't, and then the bad things happen? they happen because of you" and how he should use his powers to help people around him, but what's amazing is that he didn't fully understand it yet and it took the lost of his aunt for him to actually learn that he must always do the right thing, even if it means losing everything

  • @Pikminer-5087
    @Pikminer-50872 жыл бұрын

    Another great magic system, transcending the screen to the page, is Witch Hat Atelier. Instead of saying the spells or using wands, they're drawn. Depending on how perfect the outer circle is when you complete it, what stuff surrounds the basic sigil, etc, a variety of effects can be achieved. It gets really creative with some of them (though really I just wanted an excuse to gush about a manga I love. The mangaka also has a history with Marvel fun fact!)

  • @DeadSezSo
    @DeadSezSo2 жыл бұрын

    Your explanation of harry potter and how these well written stories have meanings deeper than the writer consciously sees is spot on. Great writing leaves certain questions unanswered for the imagination to wonder but also gives answers that have layers to them!

  • @user-qh6ii7qt6m
    @user-qh6ii7qt6m2 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant video and script. You've really given me a new appreciation for Chamber of Secrets and God of War

  • @pizmeal
    @pizmeal2 жыл бұрын

    My fav video by you so far. Never thought about magic systems this wYay, extremely eye opening.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm glad you liked it so much!

  • @DavidM_10
    @DavidM_102 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure about this. I think Fawkes blinding the basilisk *and* healing Harry's wound is questionable storytelling. The ending of Chamber of Secrets never really impressed me, in the books or the movies. I'd even suggest that the reason nobody complained about that ending in the movie is because it was faithful to the book, and fans appreciated the accuracy. To clarify: I'm not saying it's terrible. I never particularly *disliked* the ending of Chamber of Secrets, either. But this encounter with the basilisk always felt quite underwhelming to me compared to other climaxes in the series (and certainly compared to climaxes in other movies), and maybe this double whammy of deus ex machina (which I've never really acknowledged before) is the reason for that lukewarm response. I think if I re-wrote the scene, Fawkes would still come to Harry's assistance (illustrating that bravery has its rewards), but Harry would be more proactive in defeating the beast. Harry and Fawkes would be more of a team, as opposed to Fawkes pulling Harry's butt out of the fire on two separate occasions. But, hey, who am I to question J.K. Rowling? She's a pretty good writer. lol And I always enjoy your videos and respect your opinions. In fact, I agree with your opinions 99% of the time. I'm only commenting now because this is one of the rare occasions when our opinions don't perfectly align. Keep up the great work.

  • @matityaloran9157

    @matityaloran9157

    2 жыл бұрын

    In the book, both Fawkes’s ability to fight the Basilisk and his eventual healing are foreshadowed. In the movie, the latter is foreshadowed though I don’t remember if the former were. It’s not actually a Deus Ex Machina

  • @DavidM_10

    @DavidM_10

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@matityaloran9157 That's fair enough. But even if those helpful interventions from Fawkes are technically not deus ex machina, they still feel a little too *convenient* to me, personally. There's a reason that I've never found that encounter particularly exciting or memorable. It's similar in nature to Persus fighting Medusa in Clash of the Titans, and yet the Medusa fight is more suspenseful, more dramatic, in my opinion -- probably because Perseus has to overcome Medusa's petrifying gaze using his own ingenuity. The Medusa scene is wrought with tension, but there's a feeling of disappointment, almost, as Fawkes simply swoops in and neutralises the basilisk's greatest power, the power that had been built up throughout the entire story.

  • @matityaloran9157

    @matityaloran9157

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DavidM_10 That’s an entirely legitimate critique. That the protagonist should overpower the antagonist by finding the answer through what he himself is capable of. I have a similar critique of the Lion Turtle resolution in Avatar: The Last Airbender in contrast to something like Aladdin wherein Aladdin realizes that Jafar is just as dependent on the Genie as he was and as such as reluctant to give him up and uses that to outwit Jafar. So I can accept that as a legitimate critique.

  • @asmahasmalaria8596
    @asmahasmalaria85962 жыл бұрын

    Never thought I would agree to someone loving HP's magic but here we are. Minor sidenote: Fawkes and his magic healing tears were set up before in the book. When I read it the first time as a child, I was constantly wondering why the damn phoenix wouldn't heal HP.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, that's a fair point, and because of that it wasn't a true deus ex machina. My bad.

  • @BanditsGotCore
    @BanditsGotCore2 жыл бұрын

    Well, I finally did it. I clicked the audible link after so many videos. Congratulations on breaking me, and cheers to a smarter future me.

  • @Joenah5
    @Joenah52 жыл бұрын

    I feel like you would really like the webserial Worm. Not only is it the best superhero story I've ever experienced, the way in which it uses it's power system is truly breathtaking. It manages to be wholly original while also giving a depth to standard superhero powers that I've never quite seen before.

  • @zantosender3348
    @zantosender33482 жыл бұрын

    No Way Home is interesting for me because I have many logistical issues with its ending (Does Peter still exist legally? Was his documentation erased? Has any video footage of him interacting with people been edited? Are those schoolbooks at the end there because he has to retake his GED because he lost all of his records? How did he rent the apartment without those records?), and yet I don't care all that much. Because the ending is still a bold move that teaches a good lesson and I respect that. This is why every creative writing teacher puts more importance on themes than plot; a plot can make total logical sense, but still be unmemorable without a powerful message.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hard agree on this. Of course it's important to have rules that make sense, but I firmly believe too many people get so focused on having verisimilitude, they forget to even think about how the magic is serving the larger story. It's like a gardener being so focused on making each blade of grass perfectly placed, they never stop to realise the overall structure of their garden is a mess.

  • @masroorahmadbani1712

    @masroorahmadbani1712

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would recommend the channel new rock stars.

  • @theroyaljules39

    @theroyaljules39

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@masroorahmadbani1712 why

  • @masroorahmadbani1712

    @masroorahmadbani1712

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@theroyaljules39 he analysis movies frame by frame and can solve plot holes in the movie by looking at the details. New rockstars along with screencrush and the Canadian lad do these sort of things along with theories.

  • @AxlPatrol
    @AxlPatrol2 жыл бұрын

    Wait, you think that people don't recognize the name of King Midas?

  • @brello316
    @brello3162 жыл бұрын

    Since I one day hope to making and writing in the film and to industry all of these tips and tricks in all your videos truly are a world of help to me thank you🙏

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    No problem, Brello. Best of luck with building your career!

  • @tametalks6102
    @tametalks61022 жыл бұрын

    Wow this video was fantastic, I've been watching for years but this video is one of your greatest, keep up the amazing work.

  • @voxlknight2155
    @voxlknight21552 жыл бұрын

    The main criticism of magic ia that "it can do anything". This is a criticism i hate because its the laziest, least thought out one you could possibly give. Brandon Sanderson even talked about this at one point i think. You can essentially do whatever you want no matter how much or how little magic youre system has. You *could* solve all of your protagonists problems right away. You could have him find a hundred thousand dollars under his floorboards and use it to invest and get more money and live a comfortable life, but thats not an interesting story. In the same sense, you could do anything with magic in your story, wether it has rules or not matter little, its all in the way you actually use it in the story. Same reason Tolkien doesn't have the Eagles fly the Hobbits to Mordor, because it doesn't make for a good story. And thats all the reason you need not to use your rule-less magic system to solve something. Mythology has zero fucking rules for its magic, yet it sticks in out minds forever and never lets go. How did Midas get his curse? Well, god gave it to him, doesn't matter! What matters is he's made a bad choice and it will ruin his life, who cares how his curse works? As long as you have a good story, basically, you can use ANY magic system to tell it. Tl;dr its all in the way you use magic that makes it good, not how many or how little rules it has.

  • @Sil3ntLynx
    @Sil3ntLynx2 жыл бұрын

    Is the King Midas story that obscure? Would have thought that a pretty well known tale

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh yeah, it's one of the best known myths, but still, sadly very few people know much about mythology.

  • @simonnormann9833
    @simonnormann98332 жыл бұрын

    Your point about confronting our fears to feel relief when you talked about Harry Potter is something i really needed to hear, dealing with depression

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sorry to hear that Simon. Good luck in getting through it.

  • @NobodyC13

    @NobodyC13

    2 жыл бұрын

    If this helps further, JK Rowling was suffering from depression while she was plotting the series during the 90s (and she was dealing with a lot: mother dying young, failed marriage, being a single mother to a young daughter, and poverty). The dementors are even supposed to be a metaphor for depression personified.

  • @AlmostEthical
    @AlmostEthical Жыл бұрын

    Such an interesting point about Midas being remembered over so many other stories. Stories that express something true are always more satisfying than random flights of fancy (like most movies).

  • @HaploidCell
    @HaploidCell2 жыл бұрын

    I would like to throw in that - as advocatus diaboli - it is also a well-known human truth that big money superhero movies are somewhat hamstrung in creativity simply because they are so expensive to make. An alternative explanation to the Spiderman catharsis is that in previous movies with Toby Maguire the character distances himself from his friends as well. Spiderman's whole romantic relationship is basically stuck in a loop because he's always drawing back from it and then trying to start over. And Spiderman distancing himself from his friends in order to protect them has been done multiple times, I think? So it was no surprise that the newest itteration would "learn the same lesson". They did it probably the best with this last one, though, because the previous versions made it seem like it's a character flaw of Peter "not being strong enough" to balance out the fear of loss. As an obvervation on the whole, it does seem like magic works as a somewhat enclosed system. In Harry Potter, the only thing that can beat a magical monster is the "deus ex machina" phoenix - another magical creature that seems to be the perfect counter to the basilisk. The only thing that draws the second creature to aide, however, is Harry's commitment. As writing the book goes, I have to support the theory that this is wholy accidental on Rowling's part. My thought is that she played with mythical creatures and wrote herself into a corner, thus had to introduce the phoenix as a get-out-of-jail-free-card. But it turned out nicely. It is almost like all that teenage angst sunk into Tom Riddles diary summoned the basilisk, and it is fear summoning fear. And Harry has to show bravery in facing it to defeat it. What I mean by closed magical system usually means that the magic extracts a cost, kind of like with King Midas. So Spiderman, like you said, has to make a real sacrifice in order for the magic to work, no outs, no take-backsies. Like, what if he walked into that diner at the end and explained everything - is it possible the sky would just rip open again because he tried to cheat the magic? God of War seems to follow a similar rule. Have you ever heard "once you used magic you cannot deny it or else lose everything it gained you" or similar? It's kind of seems like that. By denying his true heritage to his son, he is denying the magic that got him where he is, and is keeping his son's identity "incomplete" with huge blind spots that nearly kill him. In Harry Potter it's the willingness to give yourself up entirely, to meet the threat of death head-on, that is the cost. To defeat fear, you have to endure it willingly.

  • @FinnA07
    @FinnA072 жыл бұрын

    Peter could have just asked that everyone forgets about Mysterio and what he did. Problem solved. But yeah it's a great movie.

  • @MrReverseOreo
    @MrReverseOreo2 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video! I'm loving the Sanderson shoutout. The man makes a living creating unique magic systems tied in to his stories.

  • @TheCloserLook

    @TheCloserLook

    2 жыл бұрын

    Man's the goat.

  • @shaneacheson-storysphinx8933
    @shaneacheson-storysphinx89332 жыл бұрын

    The Video is really insightful on magical systems in stories at their best.

  • @greyglowproductions
    @greyglowproductions2 жыл бұрын

    I have never watched a Harry Potter movie in my life but from what I've heard, they handled it well.

  • @darklordofdaporg655
    @darklordofdaporg6552 жыл бұрын

    Star wars works like this as well. The force is basically magic, and Anakin's story is the consequence of ignorance and hypocrisy. He's just the victim. Like Eren Jaeger from Attack on Titan. Hey, what a coincidence.. those are my two favourite characters in fiction.

  • @LoreFriendlyMusic
    @LoreFriendlyMusic Жыл бұрын

    Great analysis! Subbed

  • @maurokoller3910
    @maurokoller39102 жыл бұрын

    What a video. It was very well argued and explained your points perfectly :)