How to win with positioning

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Positioning is critical for all roles, especially supports who will easily die if they're out of position. This is hard to summarize though, so let's break down a Vengeful Spirit game to see how positioning won this game. The concepts in this video will apply to many save heroes and counter-initiators, not just Vengeful Spirit.
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  • @worduser899
    @worduser8993 ай бұрын

    When you talked about Sniper and Kotl, a minute in, being "backline cores" I misheard "Cores" as "Whores" and I was like damn, ZQ is feeling feisty today.

  • @dnddmdb642
    @dnddmdb6423 ай бұрын

    That Enigma must have been so frustrated lmao

  • @fernandobraz9821

    @fernandobraz9821

    3 ай бұрын

    Imagine you have a person in other team Just working so you cant play the game 😂

  • @Alttoviulu92
    @Alttoviulu923 ай бұрын

    1:10 Outdated information. If enigma builds bkb linkens, you can use your stun to remove linkens during bkb, and after use swap to stop the black hole

  • @ZQuixotix

    @ZQuixotix

    3 ай бұрын

    Forgot about that, thanks for the reminder!

  • @sahannishantha2778

    @sahannishantha2778

    Ай бұрын

    only the cast range at the period of time will matter :D

  • @wasabitequila
    @wasabitequila3 ай бұрын

    What's even better about staying in the trees having your swap and blink dagger ready to cancel bh is you get to make the opponent team start blaming the enigma. And that is particularly true in lower skill brackets where players may not realise the threat you pose. They'd mad ping the 4 cores on your side that are standing next to each other and flame the Engima for not blinking in and using his ult. Sad but easily true LOL

  • @bluejay7058
    @bluejay70583 ай бұрын

    Fully agree with the video concept! Presenting yourself as a threat is not always about just running into the fight, esp with reactive spells like Nether Swap or Hand of God.

  • @Uh-huh463
    @Uh-huh4633 ай бұрын

    Just came in to comment because I love your method for teaching. Very calm with a focus on mindful learning and just pleasant to listen to. Keep up the good work!

  • @jimbo7830
    @jimbo78303 ай бұрын

    As someone with the smallest amount of data skill someone is capable of having, this man is the goat and has made this game 10000000x easier to understand, hats off to you sir I wish you nothing but success 🎉

  • @nightwind_ow
    @nightwind_ow2 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this video, super useful to hear your thought process and see how the different fights played out with your positioning. :)

  • @blakedavis4649
    @blakedavis46493 ай бұрын

    I just wanted to say you make some of the most educational dota content. Real in depth content, not just click bait low effort stuff. Keep it up man!

  • @ajrverzosa6394
    @ajrverzosa63943 ай бұрын

    that emotion burning "i don't have swap" 19:18 😂😂

  • @laiaa9178
    @laiaa91783 ай бұрын

    wow venge can use dagger now :p

  • @sgtpatton
    @sgtpatton3 ай бұрын

    thank you for all ya do for the community!

  • @moonjellying697
    @moonjellying6973 ай бұрын

    great examples

  • @don_juant
    @don_juant3 ай бұрын

    incredible video

  • @krabkakes4511
    @krabkakes45113 ай бұрын

    You deserve awards for your service to the Dota community

  • @Silas_Games
    @Silas_Games3 ай бұрын

    This is a great video and I really love your channel! Do you think looking to build a solar crest rather than drums at the end would be preferable? Since you are just staying far back 95% of the time, I imagine it would be helpful to have solar crest on allies still. But I do get that would potentially lead to being out of position more often.

  • @ZQuixotix

    @ZQuixotix

    3 ай бұрын

    I think Solar is good when you get it early enough, but I don't really like getting it after the mid/late game. Drums does something similar in terms of movespeed/attack speed, but it's AOE so it would benefit more teammates. I think the slow immunity is also quite good for Muerta in the late game too so that she can get as much as possible done during her ult

  • @dsam900

    @dsam900

    3 ай бұрын

    underated response nice @@ZQuixotix, but i do agree it can be situational the exeception

  • @Silas_Games

    @Silas_Games

    3 ай бұрын

    This is great feedback! I totally see what you mean. Thanks for the reply :)@@ZQuixotix

  • @lincoln43267
    @lincoln432672 ай бұрын

    the nova at min eight was so much you could do. but didnt swap ether the sniper or enigma in like 2-3 secs before it implodes. you could get the kill noone afraid of a 1-2 second black hole as you would get the 2.4 sec stun on them both and kill them if he tried. alternatively your free to save kunka. it's great you think your useful staying back to cancel the blackhole thus making enigmas impact also 0 but you have so much potential your wasting and theres moments where blackhole isnt useful like that one. cant blackhole nova has to pick muerta/ vs gets stunned 2 secs later and is only stunning for a half dead sniper to attack into.. basically the blackhole would have the same impact as magic missile at that moment with the lineup there is several abilities they dont want to walk into/past nova arena muerta ghost ghost ship so you could utilise that to stand closer to use your wave and aura as long as you arent close enough for your cores to get blackholed with you. sure they could use bkb and go on you but you can risk it or itemise towards it like aeon disc. the recomended playstyle is too safe great for new supports and if you want to just blame your cores for losing but a good support would see there is alot more potential to your hero ps some of your points are wrong like linkens can be popped by magic missile or x marks etc to allow you to still swap through the bkb

  • @RandoMattz
    @RandoMattz3 ай бұрын

    Nice positioning

  • @kiritocranel1662
    @kiritocranel16623 ай бұрын

    thank you

  • @Testnoko
    @Testnoko3 ай бұрын

    Cool video but i want another similar educational video this time of you playing enigma against vs or any hard counters. No high networth difference NA tier tilt wins or loss. Actually it doesnt have to be enigma it can be any hero in very hard countered situations and how do you position, itemize and what goes through your mind.

  • @makotonidas
    @makotonidas3 ай бұрын

    thanks zach :D

  • @ikthranithul6000
    @ikthranithul60003 ай бұрын

    Can you not build an item like rod of atos to pop the linkens bubble before swap? was gold too tight that game or something?

  • @ZQuixotix

    @ZQuixotix

    3 ай бұрын

    You can (and I even forgot I could just use Q due to the new BKB mechanics). I would maybe do Force or Euls since I want it to be instant

  • @ikthranithul6000

    @ikthranithul6000

    3 ай бұрын

    Nevermind he didnt even build it lmao Going refresher when behind with 0 impact seems weird to me but i guess he is higher elo for a reason

  • @edwardhan75
    @edwardhan753 ай бұрын

    ZQ, love your content. Just letting you know, you actually can deal with enigma bkb + linkens by yourself. If he bkbs, you can cast missile and it’ll remove the linkens, then swap.

  • @ZQuixotix

    @ZQuixotix

    3 ай бұрын

    Totally forgot about that, thanks for the reminder!

  • @TheMagicCake
    @TheMagicCake3 ай бұрын

    "This is a funny draft" says the man describing a draft that looks like most of my games

  • @josephreynolds2401
    @josephreynolds24012 ай бұрын

    Hoodwink has been guaranteed value at my rank. Still losing because i cant patch up all the roles, but hitting big cooldowns and having decent waveclear + escape gives me a lot of presence and uptime. Not really playing Dota rn because the positive impacts i have isnt adding up enough to move the needle. And its too unfun in guardian.

  • @jeremynachtman4626
    @jeremynachtman46262 ай бұрын

    So what would you say the enemy team should have done here? More specifically, what should Enigma have done? Should they have just tried to find you and take you out or at least get the nether swap out before engaging your whole team?

  • @valentines92

    @valentines92

    Ай бұрын

    enigma needs linkens sphere and enigmas team need to gank their oppenent not fight straight on

  • @brunoyazeji
    @brunoyazeji3 ай бұрын

    Videos every week please

  • @user-jb1tn9tk7y

    @user-jb1tn9tk7y

    3 ай бұрын

    bump

  • @Khalizz_9
    @Khalizz_93 ай бұрын

    How do you feel about vlads on venge

  • @ZQuixotix

    @ZQuixotix

    3 ай бұрын

    It can be pretty good so long as your teammates will make use of it!

  • @maquih
    @maquih3 ай бұрын

    makes sense for ranged heroes but when i play melee supports i have no idea XD

  • @zhenhuitai1223
    @zhenhuitai12233 ай бұрын

  • @mantistoboggan2676
    @mantistoboggan26763 ай бұрын

    Positioning is a nightmare at my scrub ELO. You play vs a liche and your team sticks together like glue no matter how many times they get wiped by liche ult.

  • @vikenzo3703
    @vikenzo37033 ай бұрын

    Poor enigma, getting flamed because you're a amazing player xD

  • @Twinsen764
    @Twinsen7643 ай бұрын

    You never mentioned Kunkka can just X you and go in and swap and X you back. Bet you nor kunnka thought of that.

  • @Youmu_Konpaku_
    @Youmu_Konpaku_3 ай бұрын

    Poor enigma just wanted to play some dotes

  • @4536647674
    @45366476743 ай бұрын

    the problem is not standing there for better positioning and impact at the right moment, the problem is you will get shouted at and reported because your team thinks you're just there watching a movie from the sidelines when they jump in and die.

  • @anon-zk6iz

    @anon-zk6iz

    3 ай бұрын

    True 😂

  • @Cricket0021

    @Cricket0021

    2 ай бұрын

    i know what you mean.

  • @user-ou9pc4mr3o
    @user-ou9pc4mr3o3 ай бұрын

    bro gained 30k subs in 2 weeks

  • @cnv1812
    @cnv18123 ай бұрын

    u give the guide or advice that u team lost...

  • @RMDK22
    @RMDK222 ай бұрын

    what is my purpose in life?

  • @user-lb8rp3vd7d
    @user-lb8rp3vd7d3 ай бұрын

    Carry me senpai

  • @jackykong4542
    @jackykong45423 ай бұрын

    Just get lotus.. it counters swap

  • @chucklenuts_

    @chucklenuts_

    3 ай бұрын

    doesn't stop the interrupt which is more important against enigma and snap

  • @ichangiz
    @ichangiz3 ай бұрын

    Hello

  • @TRASHTALKONLY
    @TRASHTALKONLY3 ай бұрын

    archon replay hahaha

  • @Klimbo93
    @Klimbo933 ай бұрын

    you clearly have never met my glimmer cape enigma the whole strategy you have for countering enigma is a tuesday for a 800 games engima as myself i will ''show'' myself on another lane just before i want to tp to a fight and leave the eidoleons pushing it, so the whole enemy team has the sense of safety of enigma not being there empowered by the sense of urgency because the eidoleons are pressuring a split pushed tower, so there is no place for doubt but a yolo lose aversion tunnel vision stance on the whole enemy team, jumping together whoever they first see see, the good thing about playing with 4k low behav morons, is I learned to make my own setups

  • @callumreid4837

    @callumreid4837

    3 ай бұрын

    🤓

  • @sachinjadhav4474

    @sachinjadhav4474

    3 ай бұрын

    Ok one hero spammer aka one trick pony

  • @rainbowskin3379

    @rainbowskin3379

    3 ай бұрын

    I'm sure this works really well in ancient and below

  • @PeterTheOstrich

    @PeterTheOstrich

    3 ай бұрын

    Nope. I just hide w/ shadow amulet+smoke in the trees with aether lens, telescope, and blink waiting for you. I don't do anything until you blackhole. And on the very FRAME you blink blackhole I cancel with swap, golem, overgrowth, etc. I have been doing this to enigma players for years; I'm just waiting.

  • @Klimbo93

    @Klimbo93

    3 ай бұрын

    Great answers, 100% counter arguments Unlike my 70% win rate on that hero

  • @Iron_Space
    @Iron_Space3 ай бұрын

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